***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (6 Viewers)

[ffmail4me]

Back to Howell: I remember a few years ago we got roasted on draft day by the Internet for passing on Olave and trading down for Dotson and picks. But looking back at that trade now, we pick up: Dotson, Brian Robinson, Cole Turner, and Sam Howell -- that is an eye popping haul for Chris Olave. I slam Rivera a lot based on head scratching personnel moves but this one may just work out.

That is one of the greatest trades we've ever made as a franchise. I still believe Cole Turner is going to be a VERY good TE, and I'm very confident Howell is our franchise QB for the next decade. Obviously Dotson and Robinson are legit. Back to Howell, yes, he sometimes holds the ball too long, but he's VERY coachable, and he's still so young, and learning. But this kid seems like the OPPOSITE of Carson Wentz, he is so calm in the pocket. Nothing phases him. He's able to avoid the pass rush pretty well (and I think that's a skill he'll further develop with coaching) and he can run the ball with pretty good speed and power. I look at this year's rookie QBs and so far, I wouldn't trade him for ANY of them (well MAYBE Richardson, but for sure not Young or Stroud) I haven't felt this good about the direction of our franchise in a LOOONG time. Yes we need to improve the o-line, and yes it would be nice to have the LB core match the talent we have on the D Line and back end. But I think assuming we keep EB, we will draft or use the FA market to address these obvious areas where we need to improve. I think we have a real shot to beat Buffalo if the D plays like it did the last 3 quaters of the Denver game, minus that stupid hail mary play!

 

[ffmail4me]

Oh, and I was so pleasantly surprised how well Young played!! I was really down on him (rightfully so) but if he can make that kind of impact playing his first game in...forever, just think how good our defense might become. I don't know if we can afford to keep them all, but our front 4 is STOUT.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Quiet in here

Back to reality. My thoughts on the team won't change probably the whole season. The broken record will be ...

1. The OL stinks and that is Ron Rivera's fault. He ignores it year after year.
2. Our LBs are non-existent and that is Rivera's fault. And why we need a real personnel guy. Josh Harris will fix this by next year.
3. They should have drafted a QB this year. Not because Howell is terrible. I like a lot of what I see and he's gonna make rookie mistakes. He has hope. But you draft a QB until you know you have one. Even if it's a total miss like Levis may have been. You keep trying. Five Emmanuel Forbes aren't worth what a QB is. I'd rather be wrong about Hendon Hooker than have whatever we took in round 2.
4. EB is a breath of fresh air with some nice play concepts, but he's gotta realize he doesn't have the QB he had in KC.
5. Del Rio's schemes might be the same ones you could find on a 1960 team. Pretty sure this guy's playbook was created with a dot-matrix printer. Rushing 4 vs 7 is a losing prospect. No LBs to pressure the QB or stop the run. It's like a sieve from the line of scrimmage to the safety level. Gotta send more people. Heck, maybe put 5 Defensive linemen out there and have Chase or Montez blitz from the OLB position.

 

[ffmail4me]

Quiet in here

Back to reality. My thoughts on the team won't change probably the whole season. The broken record will be ...

1. The OL stinks and that is Ron Rivera's fault. He ignores it year after year.
2. Our LBs are non-existent and that is Rivera's fault. And why we need a real personnel guy. Josh Harris will fix this by next year.
3. They should have drafted a QB this year. Not because Howell is terrible. I like a lot of what I see and he's gonna make rookie mistakes. He has hope. But you draft a QB until you know you have one. Even if it's a total miss like Levis may have been. You keep trying. Five Emmanuel Forbes aren't worth what a QB is.
4. EB is a breath of fresh air with some nice play concepts, but he's gotta realize he doesn't have the QB he had in KC.
5. Del Rio's schemes might be the same ones you could find on a 1960 team. Pretty sure this guy's playbook was created with a dot-matrix printer.

Hard to argue with anything you said here, but I do think Sam Howell is still our guy. The line is PUTRID. I don't see any QB having a good day behind that type of pressure. Yes, he'll learn to throw the ball away quicker, but still think 70% of his sacks were because the pass rush just abused our pathetic line and he had ZERO time to react/throw. I still believe in EB, so I think we'll see some very different play calling moving forward. More running plays for Brian, more quick screens and slants, and its a shame, we can't take advantage of the elite speed we have at WR because there isn't enough pass protection to get them down the field. Howell has the arm, and the WRs have the speed, we just have no line to speak of.

 

[fatness]

The offensive line was horrible, and in particular Wylie and Charles were just inept. Both of them deserve Game Balls, as in "kicked in the........."

Del Rio and Bienemy refused to go away from game plans that were failing.

 

[ffmail4me]

The offensive line was horrible, and in particular Wylie and Charles were just inept. Both of them deserve Game Balls, as in "kicked in the........."

Del Rio and Bienemy refused to go away from game plans that were failing.

Yep, o-line gets the worst grade, then coaches, then lack of pass rush getting to Allen, then Howell, IMO.

 

[bcat01]

Now they are being sued for not being named the Redskins.

https://www.outkick.com/native-american-group-sues-washington-commanders-wants-redskins-name-back/

 

[ffmail4me]

Now they are being sued for not being named the Redskins.

https://www.outkick.com/native-american-group-sues-washington-commanders-wants-redskins-name-back/

Hey, if that gets our name back, I'm ALL FOR IT. Stupid cancel culture should have never forced a name change of a proud franchise that always proudly embraced the native american heritage!

 

[fatness]

I doubt the name will ever change back to the Redskins and I think it's silly to try to re-fight a battle from years gone by.

 

[Sleestak]

Now they are being sued for not being named the Redskins.

https://www.outkick.com/native-american-group-sues-washington-commanders-wants-redskins-name-back/

Hey, if that gets our name back, I'm ALL FOR IT. Stupid cancel culture should have never forced a name change of a proud franchise that always proudly embraced the native american heritage!

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[ffmail4me]

So how are you guys feeling this week? That was a hard game to lose. I felt we played well enough to win (at least the offense did) and I'm proud of the fight they showed after being embarrassed last week. I also think its absurd people are denying Terry made that catch. You can see clear zoomed in close ups that there was green grass between his toe and the white line. Not to mention is there nothing in the rule book about a stepping/landing on a player's body being considered the ground (serious question I'm not sure) Bottom line to me, the offense IS getting better, I think EB called a much better game. Clearly Sam had a big bounce back performance. But the defenese...its just unbelievable that we have 6 1st rounders, 3 rd rounders, 1 5th and 1 7th starting and the best we can do is allow 348 yards and 30 points a game so far. Jack Del Rio HAS to go. I mean he's like the Dean Smith of the NFL. Never has someone with SO MUCH TALENT done so little. If we don't win, and win comfortably against Chicago something is wrong. I still have no idea what this team will do this year. 6 wins? 10 wins?

 

[dgreen]

The defense has been disappointing. I think they started slowly last year, too, so maybe they can turn it around. Also, they've had games against Buffalo and Philly already and those teams are going to get their yards and points against just about anyone. With the Bears, Falcons, and Giants coming the next three weeks, we should find out if there's a big problem with the D or not.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Are those in dynasty giving up on Howell? I ask because he was dropped in my league and I have never seen him play before. Is there anything there?

 

[ffmail4me]

Are those in dynasty giving up on Howell? I ask because he was dropped in my league and I have never seen him play before. Is there anything there?

I think its a fair and debatable question. I'm biased because I'm a Washington homer, but the kid does have moxy. He's tough. Yes he's taken a ton of sacks, might at times hold the ball too long, but I think the upside is there. If I were Washington, I certainly wouldn't go spend a ton of money on a FA, I'd continue to coach and see if he can improve. And yes, we should also draft a QB every year until we know for sure we have our guy. I'm hoping its Sam!!

 

[Don Quixote]

Heading to the game on Thursday night. Is parking better this year? Was reading something that improved a bit. Debate is whether to drive, or maybe do Metro down to Alexandria, then Uber.

 

[pollardsvision]

Are those in dynasty giving up on Howell? I ask because he was dropped in my league and I have never seen him play before. Is there anything there?

I think its a fair and debatable question. I'm biased because I'm a Washington homer, but the kid does have moxy. He's tough. Yes he's taken a ton of sacks, might at times hold the ball too long, but I think the upside is there. If I were Washington, I certainly wouldn't go spend a ton of money on a FA, I'd continue to coach and see if he can improve. And yes, we should also draft a QB every year until we know for sure we have our guy. I'm hoping its Sam!!

I'm biased towards him too (I'm here because Washington was the only team smart enough to draft him).
But yeah, it could certainly end poorly. I definitely think he'll be really good. He's coachable enough to work through his shortcomings, and keep getting better. Even with the shortcomings, 5 games in, it's been 4 mostly positive games, and a game against a great team where he just went on tilt.

But definitely there's a world where it goes bad. Which is perfectly fine for Washington as a franchise. If he hits, it's a good QB on a rookie contract. If not, 2024 could be the best QB draft in the last 40 years.

A smart way for a franchise to go. At QB, IMO, either you have a no-doubt Hall of Famer, or you stay flexible, going cheap or young. In any given year, 20-25 teams don't really have the right long-term QB, even if some don't know it yet.
Most important thing is don't get locked into the wrong one (I suspect Denver and Cleveland have reinforced that lesson for the rest of the league).

Sammy gives Washington the perfect opportunity to take a shot on a cheap, young guy in a really good year to do it.

 

[dgreen]

Heading to the game on Thursday night. Is parking better this year? Was reading something that improved a bit. Debate is whether to drive, or maybe do Metro down to Alexandria, then Uber.

The few games I've gone to the last five years, parking and traffic weren't a big deal. But, that was probably due to low attendance and they've been selling out this year. The cash lot I used in the past was closed the one game I went to last year. I assume that's permanent, but I'm not sure.

Metro to Alexandria then Uber? Why not Metro to Morgan Boulevard? It's not a horrible walk, assuming you're in decent health and don't have issues with walking in general.

 

[Don Quixote]

Heading to the game on Thursday night. Is parking better this year? Was reading something that improved a bit. Debate is whether to drive, or maybe do Metro down to Alexandria, then Uber.

The few games I've gone to the last five years, parking and traffic weren't a big deal. But, that was probably due to low attendance and they've been selling out this year. The cash lot I used in the past was closed the one game I went to last year. I assume that's permanent, but I'm not sure.

Metro to Alexandria then Uber? Why not Metro to Morgan Boulevard? It's not a horrible walk, assuming you're in decent health and don't have issues with walking in general.

No, live in Alexandria. So, was thinking more about coming home (take Metro from Morgan Blvd down to Alexandria, and then Uber home, since my house is not in walking distance of Metro).

 

[dgreen]

The defense has been disappointing. I think they started slowly last year, too, so maybe they can turn it around. Also, they've had games against Buffalo and Philly already and those teams are going to get their yards and points against just about anyone. With the Bears, Falcons, and Giants coming the next three weeks, we should find out if there's a big problem with the D or not.

Awful so far.

 

[Da Franchise]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

 

[Ray Barboni]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

 

[(HULK)]

I hoped we'd be decent this year.

Those hopes are dashed. They're trash.

 

[Da Franchise]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

 

[Ray Barboni]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

 

[Da Franchise]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

If they hire a new GM and that’s the determination he makes, truly his decision, then sure, I’m cool with it. But ONLY under that circumstance.

I was just ranting about the interview lol.

Q-How do you stop the Bears offense?

We're gonna find out. We got 30 minutes to find out. Find out on the field (I have no idea)

Q-What did you say to rally them at the half?

I let them do the talking. Let em talk to each other (I had no idea what to say)

HEY RON

What would you say, you do here?

 

[Ray Barboni]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

If they hire a new GM and that’s the determination he makes, truly his decision, then sure, I’m cool with it. But ONLY under that circumstance.

I was just ranting about the interview lol.

Q-How do you stop the Bears offense?

We're gonna find out. We got 30 minutes to find out. Find out on the field (I have no idea)

Q-What did you say to rally them at the half?

I let them do the talking. Let em talk to each other (I had no idea what to say)

HEY RON

What would you say, you do here?

lol sorry bro ..

I’m a lions fan, so I’ve dealt with a LOT. But I can recognize a good play caller when I see one -

RON is the problem

 

[Da Franchise]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

If they hire a new GM and that’s the determination he makes, truly his decision, then sure, I’m cool with it. But ONLY under that circumstance.

I was just ranting about the interview lol.

Q-How do you stop the Bears offense?

We're gonna find out. We got 30 minutes to find out. Find out on the field (I have no idea)

Q-What did you say to rally them at the half?

I let them do the talking. Let em talk to each other (I had no idea what to say)

HEY RON

What would you say, you do here?

lol sorry bro ..

I’m a lions fan, so I’ve dealt with a LOT. But I can recognize a good play caller when I see one -

RON is the problem

Brother my point is much larger than whomever the coaches and front office folks are currently. Sure, Ron is an easy punching bag and I have my own thoughts on Bienemy, but none of that matters.

They need to set the power structure of the organization for the next 25 years.

The only model Snyder never tried was to hire a GM and let them hire/fire the entire front office and coaching staff.

I want Josh Harris to hire a real General Manager and have that person hire his own front office and coaching staff. And I won’t second guess them until there are some real results, so long as the new GM hire went through a real hiring process. GM gets full autonomy and reports to Harris only. I want that person to be so vetted and trusted that they could survive multiple failed efforts, until it’s clear they are the common denominator.

Ron is just the problem du jour. The structure of the organization has been THE PROBLEM since 1993, which predates even Snyder by six years.

 

[rockaction]

The structure of the organization has been THE PROBLEM

See also, Jets

 

[fatness]

This is ****ing pathetic.

It is, and there have been parts of each of their other games which were pathetic also. It's like they're out there practicing and are surprised that the other team's playing real ball.

 

[fatness]

I hoped we'd be decent this year.

Those hopes are dashed. They're trash.

To have any hope at the postseason that had to start 5-2, considering the schedule. They won't be.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

This is ****ing pathetic.

It is, and there have been parts of each of their other games which were pathetic also. It's like they're out there practicing and are surprised that the other team's playing real ball.

Really had no idea what they were doing the entire first half on either side of the ball. That's exactly what it looked like.

 

[FFWhiskey]

This team would be pretty good if they had a QB. Hell, if they held onto Kirk Cousins they may have made a few decent playoff runs


But yeah, every position on this team is so average. Bleh. Things won't change until you get a QB.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Howell's taken 29 sacks in 5 games, 5.75 sacks per game. This does not bode well for his future.. To put this into perspective, David Carr, who took the most sacks of any QB in any season ever during his rookie season (76 or 4.75 per game) is widely to believe have had his career derailed by taking so many hits.

Sam Howell is not a prospect on the level of David Carr. Sam holds the ball entirely too long and does not possess the arm talent, size or athleticism to overcome this flaw. If he doesn't figure it out soon, he's going to get himself injured, or worse.

Washington needs to blow up this entire coaching staff. The defensive scheme they threw out there against the Bears was ridiculous, but worse is that they never adjusted. They left their inferior corners on an island all night against DJ Moore who just ran free all night.

 

[Fat Nick]

If Bienemy is gone after this season, does he get a HC job somewhere else or does his move from KC to DC go down as one of the worst coaching decisions in history? (Not DC's choice to hire him, but his choice to leave KC for DC)

 

[pollardsvision]

If Bienemy is gone after this season, does he get a HC job somewhere else or does his move from KC to DC go down as one of the worst coaching decisions in history? (Not DC's choice to hire him, but his choice to leave KC for DC)

It's a Washington assistant, so he'll probably get a head coaching job somewhere and win 200 NFL games.

 

[Fat Nick]

If Bienemy is gone after this season, does he get a HC job somewhere else or does his move from KC to DC go down as one of the worst coaching decisions in history? (Not DC's choice to hire him, but his choice to leave KC for DC)

It's a Washington assistant, so he'll probably get a head coaching job somewhere and win 200 NFL games.

VERY good point...There's precedent for sure.

 

[ffmail4me]

Getting blown out to the Bills felt good compared to last night. The only good that can come from this is for Del Rio (and hopefullly Ron too) getting canned. Like...TODAY. I think its crazy to put blame on EB or Howell or the offense. And its also hard to execute any offense when your pathetic o line (that Ron ignored for years) plays red rover red rover let your pass rush come over on almost every snap. Howell shows a LOT of poise and toughness the way he fights through that rush. He never acts scared or panics, he's just in a bad situation with this defense and offensive line. And for fantasy, its a shame that 2 REALLY DAMN GOOD WRs in Terry and Jahan are barely getting the ball. They are both elite IMO.

 

[dschuler]

If Bienemy is gone after this season, does he get a HC job somewhere else or does his move from KC to DC go down as one of the worst coaching decisions in history? (Not DC's choice to hire him, but his choice to leave KC for DC)

I think its crazy to put blame on EB

Call me crazy then. While he doesn’t deserve a lot of blame he deserves some of the blame. Antonio Gibson and Curtis Samuel both had more targets than Terry and Dotson. Logan Thomas had more targets than Terry and Dotson combined last night. They designed not one but two plays to Dyami Brown and he dropped two touchdowns with it. O-line is struggling at times and EB is leaving Howell out there to die. Use a TE to chip more and actually use your WRs instead of trying to make Logan Thomas the second coming of Travis Kelce.

The way the targets are distributed shows EB is basically copying the KC playbook instead of adapting to his roster. Using the TEs and RBs and forgetting about his #1/#2 WRs and it does not make him look dynamic as a play caller.
This offense has a lot of talent and basically did a classic Kirk Cousins garbage time stat rack up to hide how bad they were before the Chicago game was out of hand. The Buffalo game was a disaster. The cardinal game was won on defense as they had 3 turnovers and only two TDs. It will be interesting to see how EB pivots from KC to DC if he can’t get this thing going.

 

[themeistersinger]

If Bienemy is gone after this season, does he get a HC job somewhere else or does his move from KC to DC go down as one of the worst coaching decisions in history? (Not DC's choice to hire him, but his choice to leave KC for DC)

There's no way he gets a HC job after this year, unless the offense turns around big time. He might not get an OC job if he gets fired after this year. Everybody thinks Andy Reid was the real power in KC, which is why he never got the HC job (plus it seems he gave terrible interviews).

 

[Da Franchise]

Again, Bienemy interviewed for jobs how many times? And Washington of all places is the one franchise that’s supposed to outsmart the rest of the league and hire him to great success?

Anyone who thought this would work hasn’t been paying attention for some 30 years.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

If they hire a new GM and that’s the determination he makes, truly his decision, then sure, I’m cool with it. But ONLY under that circumstance.

I was just ranting about the interview lol.

Q-How do you stop the Bears offense?

We're gonna find out. We got 30 minutes to find out. Find out on the field (I have no idea)

Q-What did you say to rally them at the half?

I let them do the talking. Let em talk to each other (I had no idea what to say)

HEY RON

What would you say, you do here?

lol sorry bro ..

I’m a lions fan, so I’ve dealt with a LOT. But I can recognize a good play caller when I see one -

RON is the problem

The structure of the organization has been THE PROBLEM since 1993, which predates even Snyder by six years.

This is 100% accurate. In the late 1990s they didn't adjust well to the new salary cap. Then ownership changes to younger Cooke. Then the new owner Snyder stinks. And all through it we went through GMs, coaches, QBs, etc.

I'm 100% sure Josh Harris will rebuild the structure. Finalizing his purchase 5 weeks before the season left his hands tied. There will be a GM, new talent evaluators, and a new HC. He likely needs to wait until the offseason to get the best candidates though.

 

[Da Franchise]

There is, in fact, a huge problem with the D. His name is Jack Del Rio. There are definite roster holes and player deficiencies but just zero reason to be this pathetic. There is no excuse.

Thursday games are about coaching and this team was not ready. At home. Against a team with a 14 game losing streak.

Every play is trash effort. No one on the sidelines, coaches or players, trying to get guys energized. Nothing but stoic faces from Ron and EB. Howell looks like someone slipped him some opioids. Missing wide open deep looks. Giving up wide open deep look after wide open deep look on the other side of the ball.

This is ****ing pathetic. It’s worse than the Monday Night Massacre. I cannot wait to flush this entire staff and front office.

… yea but “rIvEr BoAT rON”

He’s really bad. Those commanders finally rid themselves of Snyder - but there is STILL a very stinky Ron lingering around.

Give the reigns to EB

EB can go, too. Are we really supposed to be the ONE organization that outsmarted the league and hired him after alllllllll those interviews? That sound like us?

Nah. Kick rocks. I’ve seen what I need to see and he’s not the answer either.

Flush.Them.All.

Start fresh.

There wasn’t time for Harris to do it this year but if there isn’t an entirely new staff and FO, starting with a GM hire who then hires everyone else, it will be a major red flag about the Harris ownership tenure.

Nah … river float Ron is the problem


Did you hear that halftime interview??? He’s old and sucks.

I hope you guys get better I’d of him and keep EB

If they hire a new GM and that’s the determination he makes, truly his decision, then sure, I’m cool with it. But ONLY under that circumstance.

I was just ranting about the interview lol.

Q-How do you stop the Bears offense?

We're gonna find out. We got 30 minutes to find out. Find out on the field (I have no idea)

Q-What did you say to rally them at the half?

I let them do the talking. Let em talk to each other (I had no idea what to say)

HEY RON

What would you say, you do here?

lol sorry bro ..

I’m a lions fan, so I’ve dealt with a LOT. But I can recognize a good play caller when I see one -

RON is the problem

The structure of the organization has been THE PROBLEM since 1993, which predates even Snyder by six years.

This is 100% accurate. In the late 1990s they didn't adjust well to the new salary cap. Then ownership changes to younger Cooke. Then the new owner Snyder stinks. And all through it we went through GMs, coaches, QBs, etc.

I'm 100% sure Josh Harris will rebuild the structure. Finalizing his purchase 5 weeks before the season left his hands tied. There will be a GM, new talent evaluators, and a new HC. He likely needs to wait until the offseason to get the best candidates though.

Yeah this season was always going to be pointless due to the timing. Just a chance for ownership to onboard and learn a bit. So I am not even slightly bothered by anything that happens on the field right now and am withholding any iota of judgement about the ownership group.

Having said that…and noting that we are in full agreement about what the problem has been…I will turn on a dime with heavy criticism if they do not handle this off-season properly. The tell tale sign for me is the power structure they choose. If it’s not a true football person properly vetted and put in charge of literally everything to do with football, we are in for more systemic problems for the foreseeable future.

That is literally the only box I need checked in order to shut up and watch optimistically for the next 10 years. If that box is not checked, to me it’s just gonna be more of the same on-the-field product.

 

[(HULK)]

Why don't the coaches realize that Brown will get open deep and then not make the catch. I'm so tired of it happening like 15 times a season. Stop throwing that ball to him.

 

[dgreen]

I’m looking forward to a new front office and coaching staff.

 

[ffmail4me]

I’m looking forward to a new front office and coaching staff.

Aren't we all!! If I were the owners Ron and Jack would be gone tomorrow before noon.

 

[MikeApf]

I’m looking forward to a new front office and coaching staff.

Yeah, you and me both. The main questions at this point to me are:

1. When do we jettison the coaches/front office? I know, I know..."if we can the coaching staff, who is going to step in...we may lose more games as a result." To which I say, it doesn't matter. You could elevate the ball boy at this point and he could lose to the bears and giants. We'll be hiring a proper coach and front office in the offseason anyway. But my view is, it's not tenable to let this crew stagger on for the rest of the season. The fans are in revolt. Also, based on Jon Allen's recent rant, Rivera may be losing the team. Sometimes you just got to can a guy to make a statement, show accountability, or whatever...and then let the chips fall where they may. I don't like the idea of Harris waiting til the end of the season as I do not think it's necessarily good for the development of the team...but maybe I'm just being an impatient fan.

2. Who can we trade at the deadline? Realistically, it doesn't look like we're making the playoffs. I had some dim hopes we could beat the Giants, get to 4-3, and maybe put together 9 wins and sneak in. But after losses to both the Bears and Giants, I just don't think going 5-5 with a hard schedule is realistic (Philly once, Dallas twice, San Fran, Miami is a murderers row of 5 right there, and then Giants, Seattle, Jets, Rams, New England). That said, it's a fact we can't keep both Young and Sweat...it's roster mismanagement as everyone knows. We have now hit the point where Rivera coaching for his job becomes dangerous for the team. We HAVE to trade one of these guys for assets for the long term health of this team. Harris may have to step in.

3. Can Howell learn to avoid sacks? Howell is a very good quarterback with one very bad fatal flaw. It's simple: learn to get rid of the ball and avoid sacks and be a starting-caliber QB or don't learn to do it and be a career backup. I'm still for letting him finish out the season because long term, he has upside for the team's future...and Brissett isn't going to be our franchise QB. But I keep hearing how he auto-corrects and doesn't make the same mistakes twice...yet he can't seem to get this down. I get it the line is bad and all that...but he has the ball in his hands, he still needs to do it.

Tangent: while the O LIne gets a lot of blame, it's becoming clear to me that EB is not as good as he could be protecting Howell from this flaw through schemes and play calls. He needs to force Howell into more situations where the ball is coming out super quick by design. I don't give a rats a-- if it "limits the playbook." EB showing off his full compliment of plays is not more important and it's very Scott Turner-esque. I like both Howell and Bienemy generally but at a certain point, adjustments need to be made. You can't just keep saying, "We're growing, we're learning" every damn week.

A frustrating season. Some progress with respect to the 3 items above though might give me a small measure of hope....

 

[fatness]

EB showing off his full compliment of plays is not more important and it's very Scott Turner-esque.

I've noticed the same resemblance to Turner. Show off a lot of different plays during a drive, and on the few times they get close to the goalline it's nothing but pass pass pass. And each play is called with the expectation that the o-line will hold up, which it never does. This is by far the worst o-line they've had; they're horrible. Howell needs help from both the OC and the o-line and is getting it from neither.

 

[ffmail4me]

I think I read Sam had 2.5 seconds (or less) to throw on average Sunday. That's just pitiful.

 

[dgreen]

I think I read Sam had 2.5 seconds (or less) to throw on average Sunday. That's just pitiful.

I see three factors contributing to sacks: OL talent, QB decision making, OC play calling and game planning/adjustments.

Honestly, I'm done hearing about the OL. They aren't going to get more talented. Trent Williams isn't showing up at Ashburn this week. I see them as the constant here and the other two are the variables that can be changed.

My understanding is Howell has always had a sack problem back to college and that taking sacks is something that most QBs don't improve on throughout their career. So, it's possible that's even a constant, but I'm holding out hope he can improve (unlike the OL where I have no hope). If possible, he needs to know to get rid of the ball faster or escape the pocket faster. Is he slow at making reads? Maybe more film and a mastery of the offense will help him move from primary read to his second read faster. If that's not there, get out of the pocket and consider running or at least buying more time. Tyrod Taylor isn't a great QB but I saw him throw immediately to short routes when unblocked blitzers were coming at him. You can't get sacked if you don't have the ball.

More importantly, though, is the coaching. It took until later in the third quarter for them to run more, have Howell sprint out. It was the very end of the third quarter when they finally threw a quick deep sideline pass to Terry. There was no chance for a sack on that play because the ball was out immediately. EB for most of the game showed no ability to call plays to beat the blitz. They seemed shocked that NY was blitzing. Not surprisingly, I think they were out-coached.

 

[ffmail4me]

Oh coaching and OL are by far the biggest issues, Sam is a distant 3rd IMO. Yes he can (and probably will) get better but play calling goes a LONG way helping him do that