***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Bizkiteer]

On a separate draft note, roto did their latest mock draft...

1.4 Redskins - Okung

and they list Bruce Campbell as just missing being a 1st round pick. Could you imagine the 'Skins being able to draft Okung and Campbell? Now that would be a pretty nice haul for a OL starved team.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Since we are throwing out hypothetical trades, how about these two:C. Cooley for Gaither, we get our LT.L. Landry for B. Marshall, we get a young play maker.Draft Bradford and take best OL in second.Maybe Carter can also fetch us a pick or player of need.No, I'm not smoking anything...just wishing upon a star!

•Cooley for Gaither - I'd do it and it's seems fair for both teams.•Landry for Marshall - I'd also do this but Denver sure as hell won't.•Draft Bradford and the best available LT in the 2nd - Sounds good but I'm starting to think that it's gonna be hard to take the best available LT with that pick . I say this because at the 2.05 there are gonna be more than a few guys available with 1st round grades on them and any o-tackles left on the board are probably gonna have late 2nd/3rd round grades associated with them.I'd trade Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Rodgers and Carter right now.We need O-tackles, Line-Backers and Draft Picks.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

2-day visit from Clausen starts today. Berry had a 2-day visit.

It's spring, and the sleepovers are busting out all over!!

Is Danny putting them up in the Cerrato Bedroom?

 

[fatness]

•Draft Bradford and the best available LT in the 2nd - Sounds good but I'm starting to think that it's gonna be hard to take the best available LT with that pick . I say this because at the 2.05 there are gonna be more than a few guys available with 1st round grades on them and any o-tackles left on the board are probably gonna have late 2nd/3rd round grades associated with them.

I feel the same way about offensive tackles in the draft. Although they're not getting much press this year there several good ones. I think they'll all get taken in between the Redskins' first and second round picks, and taking an OT in the second will mean the Skins are reaching for a guy who should be taken in the third round.

 

[fatness]

2-day visit from Clausen starts today. Berry had a 2-day visit.

It's spring, and the sleepovers are busting out all over!!

Is Danny putting them up in the Cerrato Bedroom?

To be fair, I haven't heard one word about them staying at Snyder's house this year. The sleepovers at Snyder's house in previous offseasons have just been so ludicrous that I'm still making fun of them.

Snyder: "See that? That's the Potomac you're looking at out my window. I cut down all those trees just so I could see it. It was against the law but I did it anyway. I own the Washington Redskins."

Cerrato: "He owns the Washington Redskins. Did you hear that?"

Free Agent: "How much money did you say?"

 

[Marvelous]

FWP signs w/ the 'Skins. There's also a thread in the SP about it.

Wow. Interesting news. I seriously doubt Portis, LJ, and FWP all make the team. I think Shanahan will draft a rb and keep him on the roster.This also shows that you can find decent rbs without paying a fortune for them. I really think the Redskins got it backwards when they traded for Portis and threw all that money at him.

He already has the RB that he sees as a game breaker in future...Alridge. Remember he recommended him and he was the first guy snagged up when B. Allen took over.I do think that the 'Skins have protected themselves nicely in that they can truly let CP go, if needed. I'm not saying Willie is equal to CP, but it provides depth and not beholden to CP.

I think it is wait and see for both Parker and Johnson. They need to show something and prove they still got it. Actually, Portis needs to prove it too. But having 3 RBs like this greatly increases that chances that at least one of them will come through.

 

[Marvelous]

•Draft Bradford and the best available LT in the 2nd - Sounds good but I'm starting to think that it's gonna be hard to take the best available LT with that pick . I say this because at the 2.05 there are gonna be more than a few guys available with 1st round grades on them and any o-tackles left on the board are probably gonna have late 2nd/3rd round grades associated with them.

I feel the same way about offensive tackles in the draft. Although they're not getting much press this year there several good ones. I think they'll all get taken in between the Redskins' first and second round picks, and taking an OT in the second will mean the Skins are reaching for a guy who should be taken in the third round.

Good OT and DL go early in the draft. These are premium positions. And I think that is why the Redskins have drafted so few of them the past 10-15 years, especially high in the draft. Guards and Centers do tend to fall a bit more in the draft.

 

[burgundy and gold]

On a separate draft note, roto did their latest mock draft...1.4 Redskins - Okungand they list Bruce Campbell as just missing being a 1st round pick. Could you imagine the 'Skins being able to draft Okung and Campbell? Now that would be a pretty nice haul for a OL starved team.

That would be great having those two for bookends but it won't happen because Campbell will be taken in the 1st. But if he was there then I'd say he's one of those guys with a 1st rd. grade who fell unexplainably and the team would have to consider picking him. If that happened they'd probably get some offers for that pick.

 

[jbz]

They can do even better. Draft Okung at 1.4 and then trade the 2nd to Baltimore for Gaither who is proven unlike Campbell.

 

[fatness]

Could you imagine the 'Skins being able to draft Okung and Campbell? Now that would be a pretty nice haul for a OL starved team.

They definitely should draft Campbell, and corner the market on Campbells. Then all we need is a RB named Campbell and a WR named Campbell.

 

[Bizkiteer]

They can do even better. Draft Okung at 1.4 and then trade the 2nd to Baltimore for Gaither who is proven unlike Campbell.

Very good point, this would be a much better option.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Could you imagine the 'Skins being able to draft Okung and Campbell? Now that would be a pretty nice haul for a OL starved team.

They definitely should draft Campbell, and corner the market on Campbells. Then all we need is a RB named Campbell and a WR named Campbell.

Too bad we cut Khary Campbell, we would have had LB covered too.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Could you imagine the 'Skins being able to draft Okung and Campbell? Now that would be a pretty nice haul for a OL starved team.

They definitely should draft Campbell, and corner the market on Campbells. Then all we need is a RB named Campbell and a WR named Campbell.

Too bad we cut Khary Campbell, we would have had LB covered too.

And "Hail to the Redskins" goes right out the window.

 

[fatness]

Something of earthshaking importance here:

The Chris Cooley / Fred Davis Tricycle Race On Ice

 

[fatness]

Things you didn't know about Albert Haynesworth.

"One thing that I'm big on is that you see a lot of foundations, or you see a lot of organizations out here, that ask for money. You know what, save the kids from Haiti, ten bucks a month and you can sponsor a kid; they probably only give the kid a dollar, two dollars, out of all that money. I mean, the things about foundations, you only have to spend ten percent of what you get and so whatever you donate, they donate ten percent of that and keep the rest. One thing is [for my foundation] I'm going to fund the staff and so 100 percent of the money is going to go to whatever cause that we're working on in that point in time."

He's also skeptical of charities that just move money around but don't create physical change. So his solution? Ductwork. Or, more specifically, a program known as the Haynesworth Freeze.

"Well, instead of just giving money, I want to see things get done. As far as schools, there are some schools in D.C. that don't have air conditioning. All we're going to do is go in there, raise this money, go buy the air conditioners, fix the school. It's not going to be a guessing game wondering how much of your money went there; you're going to see it."

"I also have an A/V company that does smart-house technology and also fiber optics for commercial. One of our big jobs that people would know about is we put up the U.T. Jumbotron, the new one, that was our company that did that. It's good stuff, I like technology."

Much longer article on Haynesworth.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Things you didn't know about Albert Haynesworth.

"One thing that I'm big on is that you see a lot of foundations, or you see a lot of organizations out here, that ask for money. You know what, save the kids from Haiti, ten bucks a month and you can sponsor a kid; they probably only give the kid a dollar, two dollars, out of all that money. I mean, the things about foundations, you only have to spend ten percent of what you get and so whatever you donate, they donate ten percent of that and keep the rest. One thing is [for my foundation] I'm going to fund the staff and so 100 percent of the money is going to go to whatever cause that we're working on in that point in time."

He's also skeptical of charities that just move money around but don't create physical change. So his solution? Ductwork. Or, more specifically, a program known as the Haynesworth Freeze.

"Well, instead of just giving money, I want to see things get done. As far as schools, there are some schools in D.C. that don't have air conditioning. All we're going to do is go in there, raise this money, go buy the air conditioners, fix the school. It's not going to be a guessing game wondering how much of your money went there; you're going to see it."

"I also have an A/V company that does smart-house technology and also fiber optics for commercial. One of our big jobs that people would know about is we put up the U.T. Jumbotron, the new one, that was our company that did that. It's good stuff, I like technology."

Much longer article on Haynesworth.

Haynesworth is definitely one complex and interesting guy, and his depth goes far beyond that moody Neanderthal image he got stomping on Gurode's face a few years ago. He's his own worst enemy in that regard, but there's a lot to like about him.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins have inquired about Donovan McNabb.

Jay Glazer

edit: added second link.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

Any word/early reaction of Jimmy's visit with Danny and Shanny?

 

[dgreen]

The Redskins have inquired about Donovan McNabb.

Jay Glazer

edit: added second link.

Interesting. My first thought was that there's no way Philly would trade him in the division, but it sounds like they might if they were really discussing players.

 

[fatness]

Interesting. My first thought was that there's no way Philly would trade him in the division, but it sounds like they might if they were really discussing players.

I'd rather hear that they were discussing players than discussing draft picks. I wonder what players were discussed. Andre Carter maybe (assuming for a minute that the 'he won't fit the new defense' talk is true)?

 

[thayman]

Interesting. My first thought was that there's no way Philly would trade him in the division, but it sounds like they might if they were really discussing players.

I'd rather hear that they were discussing players than discussing draft picks. I wonder what players were discussed. Andre Carter maybe (assuming for a minute that the 'he won't fit the new defense' talk is true)?

Carter was my first thought as well. Isn't Philly looking for D-Linemen? Or is it Linebackers?

 

[fatness]

Any word/early reaction of Jimmy's visit with Danny and Shanny?

Not a word. Meanwhile the Redskins have supposedly cancelled their visit with Jahvid Best.

 

[fatness]

Wikipedia entry for Vinnie Cerrato

Vinny Cerrato (born in Flushing (And he spent the majority of the past decade doing that to the Washington Redskins chances of winning), New York), is the former Executive Vice President for Football Operations (General Manager) for the Washington Redskins of the National Football League.

The page has been revised many times this month. Here's an entry that was removed.

Most people realize, however, that he was fired for constructing possibly the worst offensive teams in Redskins history, pushing for Jim Zorn as the head coach, making idiotic trades that set the franchise back for years, and being a complete boob. He will forever be known for his total incompetence, especially when addressing the media. For example, when asked about the poor performance of the offensive line, he answered "well when you look at...uh, what do you mean, the sacks and stuff?" or referring to Chris Samules degenerative spinal stenosis as a "mental condition." (Which is ironic, to say the least, considering Mr. Cerrato's mental condition:

 

[fatness]

Interesting information at the end of an article by Jason Reid.

But even if the Eagles were willing to trade McNabb within the division, I'm not sure McNabb is the type of quarterback Shanahan would prefer as he begins the task of trying to restore the Redskins to prominence. And from what we're hearing at Redskins Park these days, Shanahan's vote is the only one that really counts.

 

[southeastjerome]

Snippet from Mike Lombardi (NFP)

3. The word around the NFL is that the Redskins might be talking about moving up from the fourth pick overall to acquire Sam Bradford. The ‘Skins have made no secret about their intention to add a quarterback in this draft, but the question remains, which quarterback do they really like? My sources tell me they love Sam Bradford and would love to get in position to draft him.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday...-Post-7065.htmlI know I am in the minority here, but my preference would be to take Bradford first and then take a guy like Charles Brown. I honestly think he will be there in the 2nd and I really think this guy is a first round talent. From everything I've read on him, he seems best suited for LT in a zone blocking scheme. He might not be the effortless mauler that Okung is, but in my opinion, the drop off between Bradford and the 2nd or 3rd tier QBs is much bigger than the drop off between Okung and Brown. Now obviously I would not like to see the Redskins to have to trade up to do that, but I would not be disappointed if they land Sam.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

Snippet from Mike Lombardi (NFP)

3. The word around the NFL is that the Redskins might be talking about moving up from the fourth pick overall to acquire Sam Bradford. The ‘Skins have made no secret about their intention to add a quarterback in this draft, but the question remains, which quarterback do they really like? My sources tell me they love Sam Bradford and would love to get in position to draft him.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday...-Post-7065.htmlI know I am in the minority here, but my preference would be to take Bradford first and then take a guy like Charles Brown. I honestly think he will be there in the 2nd and I really think this guy is a first round talent. From everything I've read on him, he seems best suited for LT in a zone blocking scheme. He might not be the effortless mauler that Okung is, but in my opinion, the drop off between Bradford and the 2nd or 3rd tier QBs is much bigger than the drop off between Okung and Brown. Now obviously I would not like to see the Redskins to have to trade up to do that, but I would not be disappointed if they land Sam.

The Redskins would probably need to trade their 2nd round pick too to land Bradford.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

From Jason Reid's twitter

"Jimmy Clausen impressed during his visit with the Redskins and his draft tour has continued in Cleveland. It would seem he helped himself."

http://twitter.com/JReidPost

 

[southeastjerome]

Snippet from Mike Lombardi (NFP)

3. The word around the NFL is that the Redskins might be talking about moving up from the fourth pick overall to acquire Sam Bradford. The ‘Skins have made no secret about their intention to add a quarterback in this draft, but the question remains, which quarterback do they really like? My sources tell me they love Sam Bradford and would love to get in position to draft him.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday...-Post-7065.htmlI know I am in the minority here, but my preference would be to take Bradford first and then take a guy like Charles Brown. I honestly think he will be there in the 2nd and I really think this guy is a first round talent. From everything I've read on him, he seems best suited for LT in a zone blocking scheme. He might not be the effortless mauler that Okung is, but in my opinion, the drop off between Bradford and the 2nd or 3rd tier QBs is much bigger than the drop off between Okung and Brown. Now obviously I would not like to see the Redskins to have to trade up to do that, but I would not be disappointed if they land Sam.

The Redskins would probably need to trade their 2nd round pick too to land Bradford.

Almost undoubtedly, but that wasn't my point.

 

[Sebowski]

Snippet from Mike Lombardi (NFP)

3. The word around the NFL is that the Redskins might be talking about moving up from the fourth pick overall to acquire Sam Bradford. The ‘Skins have made no secret about their intention to add a quarterback in this draft, but the question remains, which quarterback do they really like? My sources tell me they love Sam Bradford and would love to get in position to draft him.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday...-Post-7065.htmlI know I am in the minority here, but my preference would be to take Bradford first and then take a guy like Charles Brown. I honestly think he will be there in the 2nd and I really think this guy is a first round talent. From everything I've read on him, he seems best suited for LT in a zone blocking scheme. He might not be the effortless mauler that Okung is, but in my opinion, the drop off between Bradford and the 2nd or 3rd tier QBs is much bigger than the drop off between Okung and Brown. Now obviously I would not like to see the Redskins to have to trade up to do that, but I would not be disappointed if they land Sam.

Then let's take Okung and Brown, or Berry and Brown. Campbell can manage for a year.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

Snippet from Mike Lombardi (NFP)

3. The word around the NFL is that the Redskins might be talking about moving up from the fourth pick overall to acquire Sam Bradford. The ‘Skins have made no secret about their intention to add a quarterback in this draft, but the question remains, which quarterback do they really like? My sources tell me they love Sam Bradford and would love to get in position to draft him.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sunday...-Post-7065.htmlI know I am in the minority here, but my preference would be to take Bradford first and then take a guy like Charles Brown. I honestly think he will be there in the 2nd and I really think this guy is a first round talent. From everything I've read on him, he seems best suited for LT in a zone blocking scheme. He might not be the effortless mauler that Okung is, but in my opinion, the drop off between Bradford and the 2nd or 3rd tier QBs is much bigger than the drop off between Okung and Brown. Now obviously I would not like to see the Redskins to have to trade up to do that, but I would not be disappointed if they land Sam.

The Redskins would probably need to trade their 2nd round pick too to land Bradford.

Almost undoubtedly, but that wasn't my point.

Yeah I got that. The draft is really deep at OL. I think a Clausen-Charles Brown would be a great start.

 

[fatness]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

 

[southeastjerome]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

All I can say is wow. I guess they did not love Bradford and Claussen as much as the reports said. I can't wait to see what it was. Any guesses? I'm thinking the 2nd round pick.

 

[Tuco]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

All I can say is wow. I guess they did not love Bradford and Claussen as much as the reports said. I can't wait to see what it was. Any guesses? I'm thinking the 2nd round pick.

I hope it's a lower pick and Campbell.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

THIS SUCKS!!!!!! Terrible

 

[Marvelous]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

All I can say is wow. I guess they did not love Bradford and Claussen as much as the reports said. I can't wait to see what it was. Any guesses? I'm thinking the 2nd round pick.

The 2nd rounder is pretty high for an aging qb. Maybe they traded Andre Carter straight up.

 

[fatness]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

 

[southeastjerome]

2nd this year and either a 3rd or 4th next year.

 

[fatness]

What's McNabb's age. 33?

 

[Marvelous]

Interestlng post on PFT:

Redskins are building intrigue with their plans for the fourth pickPosted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2010 5:20 PM ETAs the Redskins make no secret of their interest in quarterbacks Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, and Colt McCoy -- and as they seem to be more than willing to allow the names of other potential pre-draft visitors to leak -- a growing number of league insiders are trying to figure out precisely what the Redskins plan to do with the fourth pick in the first round.Some think the Redskins are laying the foundation for a move up to No. 1, in an effort to get Bradford. Others think the Redskins are hoping to trade down by creating a top-five market for Clausen.The only sure thing is that the Redskins under coach Mike Shanahan and G.M. Bruce Allen know damn well what they're doing -- even if no one else does.Four years ago, Shanahan maneuvered into position to land quarterback Jay Cutler with the No. 11 pick in the draft at a time when Shanahan had not publicly courted the Vanderbilt quarterback. Today, with the Redskins already purging several big-name players and rumors flying that multiple other holdovers with high name recognition could be added to looming trade offers, the Shanahan-Allen regime is keeping everyone guessing as the draft approaches. Regardless of how everything turns out, the fact that no one knows what the Redskins plan to do is creating an extra layer of anticipation and intrigue as the draft approaches.

Basically, it is intriguing because nobody knows what the Redskins are doing. I actually am enjoying this.

 

[southeastjerome]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

All I can say is wow. I guess they did not love Bradford and Claussen as much as the reports said. I can't wait to see what it was. Any guesses? I'm thinking the 2nd round pick.

The 2nd rounder is pretty high for an aging qb. Maybe they traded Andre Carter straight up.

I like your deal better than the real one!

 

[fatness]

Interestlng post on PFT:

Regardless of how everything turns out, the fact that no one knows what the Redskins plan to do is creating an extra layer of anticipation and intrigue as the draft approaches.

Basically, it is intriguing because nobody knows what the Redskins are doing. I actually am enjoying this.

This is great stuff for the team, seriously. When is the last time any other team in the league cared what the Redskins were planning in the draft? Now they're worried.

 

[dgreen]

The future is now, I guess.

 

[Marvelous]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

 

[Avery]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

So you think Washington might be able to get about the same thing for Campbell that they gave up for McNabb?

 

[jenja]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

THIS SUCKS!!!!!! Terrible

I am trying hard to be objective and to not let my dislike of McNabb cloud my overall judgement of this trade. It does suck though, it really does. This team has too many holes to trade away a 2nd round draft pick and another pick next year for an aging QB. Our OL sucks, this needs to be our focus. I am trying to just trust in Shanahan and Allen.

 

[Tuco]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

So you think Washington might be able to get about the same thing for Campbell that they gave up for McNabb?

I'm curious. Much younger and a lower salary.

 

[Marvelous]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

So you think Washington might be able to get about the same thing for Campbell that they gave up for McNabb?

Campbell is much younger and the 2nd we traded away is a very high one. If the Redskins get a pick in the bottom of the 2nd round, it is not the same as what they gave up for McNabb.

 

[Avery]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

So you think Washington might be able to get about the same thing for Campbell that they gave up for McNabb?

I'm curious. Much younger and a lower salary.

... and no history of success.What did the Browns get for Quinn?

 

[Avery]

Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions.

SchefterYeah, I agree with southeastjerome that they must not have like the rookie QB's this year.

My best guess: Shanahan is targeting a low round qb that will take a couple of years to develop. Jason Campbell rates to be traded. Maybe they can get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

So you think Washington might be able to get about the same thing for Campbell that they gave up for McNabb?

Campbell is much younger and the 2nd we traded away is a very high one. If the Redskins get a pick in the bottom of the 2nd round, it is not the same as what they gave up for McNabb.

Unless Washington can get Al Davis to bite, no competent team would offer anything close to a late 2nd for Campbell. That's just no realistic for someone with Campbell's resume.

 

[dgreen]

McNabb traded to Redskins per Adam Schefter.

Holy crap.

THIS SUCKS!!!!!! Terrible

I am trying hard to be objective and to not let my dislike of McNabb cloud my overall judgement of this trade. It does suck though, it really does. This team has too many holes to trade away a 2nd round draft pick and another pick next year for an aging QB. Our OL sucks, this needs to be our focus. I am trying to just trust in Shanahan and Allen.

Yes, he's aging, but he has some years left in him. I assume they made this move with a very good idea of how they will have the OL fixed.