***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

If the defense can hold Philly to 20 points despite 4 INT's they earned their money today.

Rex Grossman lost that game.

He'll lose more games if they start him more, too. I'd prefer to see John Beck for the rest of the year. At least he doesn't have that ingrained "I feel pressure so I'll give the ball to the other team" instinct that Grossman has.

 

[dgreen]

The D both lost this game and was the only reason they had a chance. They lost the game by their awful start. That start took the offense away from the run game and put Rex in a spot he can't produce. But, they corrected themselves and did a great job of shutting down Philly the rest of the game and kept this team in it.Rex was ugly. Beck was ugly. Just about everything offensively was ugly.

You can't pin much on the D. What do you expect to happen when the offense can only run what 15 plays in the first half?

By any definition, the D was bad early on. Two very long TD drives put the team in a hole they aren't equipped to get out of.And I'm not saying it was the D's fault and the O wasn't to blame for anything. Both sides were bad in the first half. I guess I just expected (hoped) more from the defense. I didn't have any expectations for the offense.

I just expect big drives given up by the D when the offense can't convert a third down until the 4th quarter.

That's usually an argument in regards to a defense being worn out from being on the field so much. Those two long drives were the 2nd and 3rd drives of the game. They weren't tired. The offenses failures up to that point had absolutely nothing to do with the two TDs. The defense improved as the game progressed and all those failed 3rd downs didn't appear to lead to any bad defense.

 

[dgreen]

Did anybody hear Rex's post game presser? None of the picks were his fault, except maybe the first one, and that was "no big deal". All the rest were because receivers ran the wrong routes or the sun got in his eyes or something. He was throwing people under the bus with great gusto.

just listened.

Link?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Did anybody hear Rex's post game presser? None of the picks were his fault, except maybe the first one, and that was "no big deal". All the rest were because receivers ran the wrong routes or the sun got in his eyes or something. He was throwing people under the bus with great gusto.

just listened.

Link?

http://gametime.redskins.com/

 

[thayman]

The D both lost this game and was the only reason they had a chance. They lost the game by their awful start. That start took the offense away from the run game and put Rex in a spot he can't produce. But, they corrected themselves and did a great job of shutting down Philly the rest of the game and kept this team in it.Rex was ugly. Beck was ugly. Just about everything offensively was ugly.

You can't pin much on the D. What do you expect to happen when the offense can only run what 15 plays in the first half?

By any definition, the D was bad early on. Two very long TD drives put the team in a hole they aren't equipped to get out of.And I'm not saying it was the D's fault and the O wasn't to blame for anything. Both sides were bad in the first half. I guess I just expected (hoped) more from the defense. I didn't have any expectations for the offense.

I just expect big drives given up by the D when the offense can't convert a third down until the 4th quarter.

That's usually an argument in regards to a defense being worn out from being on the field so much. Those two long drives were the 2nd and 3rd drives of the game. They weren't tired. The offenses failures up to that point had absolutely nothing to do with the two TDs. The defense improved as the game progressed and all those failed 3rd downs didn't appear to lead to any bad defense.

Well call me crazy but I'm not going to fault the defense for holding the Eagles to 0 second half points and putting the offense in postion to win the game and Grossman failing to do so.

 

[dgreen]

The D both lost this game and was the only reason they had a chance. They lost the game by their awful start. That start took the offense away from the run game and put Rex in a spot he can't produce. But, they corrected themselves and did a great job of shutting down Philly the rest of the game and kept this team in it.Rex was ugly. Beck was ugly. Just about everything offensively was ugly.

You can't pin much on the D. What do you expect to happen when the offense can only run what 15 plays in the first half?

By any definition, the D was bad early on. Two very long TD drives put the team in a hole they aren't equipped to get out of.And I'm not saying it was the D's fault and the O wasn't to blame for anything. Both sides were bad in the first half. I guess I just expected (hoped) more from the defense. I didn't have any expectations for the offense.

I just expect big drives given up by the D when the offense can't convert a third down until the 4th quarter.

That's usually an argument in regards to a defense being worn out from being on the field so much. Those two long drives were the 2nd and 3rd drives of the game. They weren't tired. The offenses failures up to that point had absolutely nothing to do with the two TDs. The defense improved as the game progressed and all those failed 3rd downs didn't appear to lead to any bad defense.

Well call me crazy but I'm not going to fault the defense for holding the Eagles to 0 second half points and putting the offense in postion to win the game and Grossman failing to do so.

Not calling you crazy, but you've clearly misread my original post that started this conversation.

 

[thayman]

The D both lost this game and was the only reason they had a chance. They lost the game by their awful start. That start took the offense away from the run game and put Rex in a spot he can't produce. But, they corrected themselves and did a great job of shutting down Philly the rest of the game and kept this team in it.Rex was ugly. Beck was ugly. Just about everything offensively was ugly.

You can't pin much on the D. What do you expect to happen when the offense can only run what 15 plays in the first half?

By any definition, the D was bad early on. Two very long TD drives put the team in a hole they aren't equipped to get out of.And I'm not saying it was the D's fault and the O wasn't to blame for anything. Both sides were bad in the first half. I guess I just expected (hoped) more from the defense. I didn't have any expectations for the offense.

I just expect big drives given up by the D when the offense can't convert a third down until the 4th quarter.

That's usually an argument in regards to a defense being worn out from being on the field so much. Those two long drives were the 2nd and 3rd drives of the game. They weren't tired. The offenses failures up to that point had absolutely nothing to do with the two TDs. The defense improved as the game progressed and all those failed 3rd downs didn't appear to lead to any bad defense.

Well call me crazy but I'm not going to fault the defense for holding the Eagles to 0 second half points and putting the offense in postion to win the game and Grossman failing to do so.

Not calling you crazy, but you've clearly misread my original post that started this conversation.

I understand what you are saying. I'm just not going to get too upset giving up a couple of long drives to a very talented Eagles team. I'm more impressed with how Hasslett continued to bring pressure and basically shut down the Eagles after that. This loss gets pinned on the offense and Grossman for not capitalizing on their opportunities.

 

[thayman]

In othere news Campbell broke his collar bone. That sucks I always thought he was a classy guy, I was rooting for him to do well this year.

 

[Eastwood]

As a Ford and Moore owner in multiple dynasty leagues, I'm not upset Campbell is out. He is a nice classy guy, but a pretty bad QB.

 

[thayman]

As a Ford and Moore owner in multiple dynasty leagues, I'm not upset Campbell is out. He is a nice classy guy, but a pretty bad QB.

I think he is a great backup, but not someone you want to count on all season long. I do wish him well since he has always handled his business like a professional.

 

[fatness]

In othere news Campbell broke his collar bone. That sucks I always thought he was a classy guy, I was rooting for him to do well this year.

Same here. Oakland has slowly turned around and I was happy to see them doing well with him under center. I've always liked Campbell.He'll be back next year. He's a tough guy.

 

[fatness]

Jason Reid, talking about the 3rd quarter against the Eagles.

Trailing by 14 points in the quarter, Washington’s offense had opportunities. Repeatedly, Grossman ended them.

Don't mince any words there, Jason.

 

[fatness]

Dan Daly, Washington Times

In the wake of an ugly 20-13 loss to the Eagles at FedEx Field, it looks to be Beck’s turn at the offensive wheel. Or rather, it had better be Beck’s turn. Grossman is, after all, what we thought he was: a serviceable backup quarterback. Hand him the starting job, though, and you get passer ratings of 74.1, 75.6, 48.5 and now 23.7 in consecutive games.It’s hard to win with that kind of quarterbacking, with Rex (nine INTs, two fumbles) turning the ball over a couple of times a week. The Redskins are fortunate to be 3-2 and still in the NFC East hunt. The time has come to give the Other Guy a shot.Besides, the Other Guy has mobility that Grossman lacks, and that could come in handy considering the state of the offensive line.

 

[Sidewinder16]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark. This loss was due in part to 1) the opponent wasn't as bad as their record suggested, 2) a mediocre, rebuilding team had to rely on it's lack of OL depth to try to accomplish anything, AND 3) a QB that made several bad decisions. Simply thinking that removing Grossman from the equation cures all of the offenses woes is misguided, IMO. This offense (every position, every "string") is still far enough from "good" that the blame for this loss can't be fairly placed entirely on the QBs shoulders, no matter who the QB was.

If you had told me before the game that Williams, Cooley and Lichtensteiger would be gone before the 1st quarter was over, I would have predicted another 59-28 blowout.

This season just got excruciatingly long.

ETA: Oh, and, more Terrence Austin, please.

 

[fatness]

Jason Campbell broke his collarbone today.

Rex Grossman and Donovan McNabb both got benched today.

Is Sonny OK?

 

[fatness]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark.

I don't think you can pass off 6 TD and 11 turnovers as a blame game.

 

[dgreen]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark.

I don't think you can pass off 6 TD and 11 turnovers as a blame game.

Depends on what result you're blaming him for. If someone is blaming him for his own play, so be it. If they're blaming him for the overall offensive failures, it starts to become simplistic. If they're blaming him for losses, then I agree it's off the mark.

 

[Sidewinder16]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark.

I don't think you can pass off 6 TD and 11 turnovers as a blame game.

Label it however you want, but claiming the QB to be the biggest problem this offense has right now is ludicrous.Grossman, Beck, street-FA-of-your-choice; it doesn't change the overall prospects for this season. The likelihood of Beck leading this team to the playoffs behind Eric Cook and Sean Locklear isn't significantly better than that of Grossman doing the same.

 

[dgreen]

And don't look now, but Fletcher may finally be showing his age. It's not that I've necessarily noticed him looking old, I just haven't really noticed him at all.

 

[fatness]

Depends on what result you're blaming him for. If someone is blaming him for his own play, so be it. If they're blaming him for the overall offensive failures, it starts to become simplistic. If they're blaming him for losses, then I agree it's off the mark.

QB play has been the worst part of their offensive play this season. If you want to make the case that the blocking, RB's, WR's, or TE's have been worse go right ahead.

 

[fatness]

Depends on what result you're blaming him for. If someone is blaming him for his own play, so be it. If they're blaming him for the overall offensive failures, it starts to become simplistic. If they're blaming him for losses, then I agree it's off the mark.

QB play has been the worst part of their offensive play this season. If you want to make the case that the blocking, RB's, WR's, or TE's have been worse go right ahead.

Label it however you want, but claiming the QB to be the biggest problem this offense has right now is ludicrous.

What is the biggest problem this offense has this year?

 

[Warrior]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark.

I don't think you can pass off 6 TD and 11 turnovers as a blame game.

Label it however you want, but claiming the QB to be the biggest problem this offense has right now is ludicrous.

...why? I think it's fairly obvious.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Label it however you want, but claiming the QB to be the biggest problem this offense has right now is ludicrous.

...why? I think it's fairly obvious.

I don't. To simply take one 4-INT game and say "Change the QB and we're all good" ignores a heap of other woes (which I find fairly obvious) this team has. Is Grossman a problem? Obviously, but "he is who we thought he was". If anyone didn't expect this was going to happen at some point, they had their head in the sand. The reaction in here sounds like people forget what Grossman has been all along. An ugly loss doesn't change that, because that's who he is. He's a QB that, any given game, can win ugly, lose ugly, win so-so, lose so-so, win good or lose good. That's typically what the QB of an 8-8 team will give you.Grossman, and probably Beck, would have been serviceable this game (i.e. managed a win) if the team had an NFL-quality OL (once Williams and Lichtensteiger went down, they didn't), any semblance of a run game, and at least one WR that could legitimately be called a #1 WR. But they don't have any of that right now, and the middling QBs on this roster can't overcome those bigger team flaws. I think the loss of Williams and 'Steiger is so much bigger than the QB issue that it baffles me that it's hardly been touched on yet (ChrisCooleyFan quoted a link and dgreen made a brief comment on it), and despite his relatively limited participation to date, the loss of Cooley is nothing to sniff at.

In the shadow of this loss, I want to say 8-8 is now a pipe dream and that we'll be lucky to see 2 more wins, but I'll let my emotions cool off and take a look at the next game or two before resorting to that.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Did anybody hear Rex's post game presser? None of the picks were his fault, except maybe the first one, and that was "no big deal". All the rest were because receivers ran the wrong routes or the sun got in his eyes or something. He was throwing people under the bus with great gusto.

Keim and Campbell disagree with you. Both complimented Grossman for the way he went over the INTs with the media and called him "a pro" and "a class act" because of it. Neither thought he was passing the buck or stabbing teammates in the back.I've only read Cambell's transcript, so I'm not sure exactly what to make of his comments, yet.

 

[Sebowski]

This is the Rex Grossman I expected to see all year. This is the team I expected to see all year. Funny how this thread has turned in a few days. The Eagles may be better than their record, but they still aren't very good, and they are still better than the Redskins.

I'm just afraid it is too little too late for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

 

[thayman]

This is the Rex Grossman I expected to see all year. This is the team I expected to see all year. Funny how this thread has turned in a few days. The Eagles may be better than their record, but they still aren't very good, and they are still better than the Redskins. I'm just afraid it is too little too late for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

I've actually become more positive. I expected them to be 0-5 at this point prior to the season. The defense has looked much better and younger. It is a multi year rebuild and I do feel like this team is a few play makers on offense away from being pretty good.

 

[Eastwood]

Does anyone think the Skins will ever select the right WR in a draft? I can't believe as bad as this team is at WR that Hankerson can't get on the field.

 

[dgreen]

Did anybody hear Rex's post game presser? None of the picks were his fault, except maybe the first one, and that was "no big deal". All the rest were because receivers ran the wrong routes or the sun got in his eyes or something. He was throwing people under the bus with great gusto.

Keim and Campbell disagree with you. Both complimented Grossman for the way he went over the INTs with the media and called him "a pro" and "a class act" because of it. Neither thought he was passing the buck or stabbing teammates in the back.I've only read Cambell's transcript, so I'm not sure exactly what to make of his comments, yet.

I watched it last night and I didn't get the "throwing people under the bus" feeling.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is the Rex Grossman I expected to see all year. This is the team I expected to see all year. Funny how this thread has turned in a few days. The Eagles may be better than their record, but they still aren't very good, and they are still better than the Redskins.

I'm just afraid it is too little too late for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

Come on now. They're 3-2. You can't really complain about the thread "turning" when you make by far the most pessimistic post in the thread since the end of the game. Yesterday was a terrible day for the team, losing to a hated rival and losing key members of the offensive line in the process. But that was a decent football team that they hung with despite the injuries and a really lopsided turnover margin. If they beat a flawed Carolina team on the road next week they'll be 4-2 and everyone will go back to thinking playoffs. And more importantly, they'll likely exceed virtually every preseason prediction for their record and it looks like the franchise is finally moving in the right direction long-term.

 

[Marvelous]

Does anyone think the Skins will ever select the right WR in a draft? I can't believe as bad as this team is at WR that Hankerson can't get on the field.

I don't think Hankerson showed much in the preseason or training camp. He is on the roster because of talent. He most likely will be inactive every week this year. #7 of the 7 WRs (not including Banks).\An odd thing: Nile Paul is active every week and gets snaps each game. I think he has no targets for the year. Is he in the game for his run blocking?

 

[Marvelous]

The QB blame game may be fun (for some), but it's woefully easy and simplistic, if not completely off the mark. This loss was due in part to 1) the opponent wasn't as bad as their record suggested, 2) a mediocre, rebuilding team had to rely on it's lack of OL depth to try to accomplish anything, AND 3) a QB that made several bad decisions. Simply thinking that removing Grossman from the equation cures all of the offenses woes is misguided, IMO. This offense (every position, every "string") is still far enough from "good" that the blame for this loss can't be fairly placed entirely on the QBs shoulders, no matter who the QB was.

If you had told me before the game that Williams, Cooley and Lichtensteiger would be gone before the 1st quarter was over, I would have predicted another 59-28 blowout.

This season just got excruciatingly long.

ETA: Oh, and, more Terrence Austin, please.

I do think QB is the biggest problem, but there are lots of problems on the offense. After a very good preseason and first game, Grossman has steadily played worse and worse as the season progresses. He goal is to get better as the season progresses, so he is definately on the wrong trajectory. It is definately time to see if Beck is any better. You can easily excuse Beck's performance this week since he had not practiced with the starters.The OL has been weak all season and losing Kory Litchensteiger for the year and Trent Williams for an extended time will not help. They only kept 8 OL on the roster. I suspect that is mostly because after that, they really did not have another OL that was close to NFL caliber.

Outside of Moss, Amrstrong, and Gaffney, they really don't throw much to the other WR even they they are on the field. Stallworth absolutely has to catch that long pass from Beck. That is an embarassing drop.

 

[Sebowski]

This is the Rex Grossman I expected to see all year. This is the team I expected to see all year. Funny how this thread has turned in a few days. The Eagles may be better than their record, but they still aren't very good, and they are still better than the Redskins. I'm just afraid it is too little too late for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

I've actually become more positive. I expected them to be 0-5 at this point prior to the season. The defense has looked much better and younger. It is a multi year rebuild and I do feel like this team is a few play makers on offense away from being pretty good.

I can agree with everything here. I just think that one great QB can be the difference for this franchise, and Andrew Luck could be that guy. I may have been a bit too bitter late last night that we have already proved to be too good to get a top 5 pick, but still not good enough to take care of a division rival at home.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Does anyone think the Skins will ever select the right WR in a draft? I can't believe as bad as this team is at WR that Hankerson can't get on the field.

I don't think Hankerson showed much in the preseason or training camp. He is on the roster because of talent. He most likely will be inactive every week this year. #7 of the 7 WRs (not including Banks).\An odd thing: Nile Paul is active every week and gets snaps each game. I think he has no targets for the year. Is he in the game for his run blocking?

Yeah, Hankerson was just a 3rd round pick, so expecting to see him getting significant PT at this point might be a little much. He mainly can't get on the field because he doesn't play ST.I don't recall, and can't find any proof, either, that Paul has received any targets yet this season. I have read quotes, I believe directly from Shanahan, that he loves Paul's ability and mentality when it comes to blocking, so he may be seeing offensive PT mainly for that. He also plays in all ST packages which is a big reason why he's active every week and Hankerson is not.

 

[valhallan]

If you told me Grossman was going to throw 4 picks, I would have predicted the Eagles win by at least 20. I think you have to be pleased the team hung in there, never gave up, and came up an opportunity short to tie up a game they nearly had no business being in.

It's a tough loss because Skins fans wanted so bad to believe this team had turned the corner and only a victory over the Eagles would do that for them. But it was still a valiant performance by the defense and the backup QB. Things are much better around here than they used to be. I'm excited to see Beck get a full game and do things like tuck-it-and-run instead of chuck-it-into-coverage. That will really help this offense keep drives alive.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Both are mediocre QBs, and we always knew they were. Both will have 2+ interception games. The OL is still average at best, and there are no weapons at WR. They knew they were stuck with this situation all year long. This offense will only be successful when they can run the ball, and with the OL dinged up, they rest of the year looks not so good.

The defense is rebuilt and better, but the tackling on McCoy was awful. Need to improve there.

3-2 with two losses of 7 points or less isn't so bad. 8-8 year at best, which is fine as long as they are getting younger and improving. Have patience people. You can't turn 20 years of crappiness into a winner overnight. We've still got another 2 years to go before we have a chance, and that's only if good decisions are being made for the long haul.

 

[Apple Jack]

Plenty of blame to go around, but it is not simplistic to point to the QB throwing four INTs as the primary culprit.

 

[TankRizzo]

Plenty of blame to go around, but it is not simplistic to point to the QB throwing four INTs as the primary culprit.

INTs can be forgiven, but not moving the ball ON TOP OF throwing 4 picks...that's a bit rough. Rex has gotten worse in every game.

 

[Sebowski]

Plenty of blame to go around, but it is not simplistic to point to the QB throwing four INTs as the primary culprit.

INTs can be forgiven, but not moving the ball ON TOP OF throwing 4 picks...that's a bit rough. Rex has gotten worse in every game.

Is this Rex being Rex, or is this other teams having more film and ammo to prepare for him?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If you told me Grossman was going to throw 4 picks, I would have predicted the Eagles win by at least 20. I think you have to be pleased the team hung in there, never gave up, and came up an opportunity short to tie up a game they nearly had no business being in. It's a tough loss because Skins fans wanted so bad to believe this team had turned the corner and only a victory over the Eagles would do that for them. But it was still a valiant performance by the defense and the backup QB. Things are much better around here than they used to be. I'm excited to see Beck get a full game and do things like tuck-it-and-run instead of chuck-it-into-coverage. That will really help this offense keep drives alive.

I don't expect a playoff run or even a record over .500 this year. I'll hope for it and anything can happen in a sport with a sixteen-game regular season, but mostly I'm just happy that the team seems to be heading in the right direction. They're well-coached and the front office is finally seeking out depth and value instead of stars and headlines. And I think you're right about Beck, we're gonna need that scrambling ability with the injuries to the O-line. And we're not alone- Grant Paulsen just tweeted that of the first 125 fan votes he got in his Beck vs. Grossman poll, 101 were for Beck. I'm not sure Grossman has done enough to lose the job yet, but I think Beck gives us the better chance to win.

 

[Sebowski]

If you told me Grossman was going to throw 4 picks, I would have predicted the Eagles win by at least 20. I think you have to be pleased the team hung in there, never gave up, and came up an opportunity short to tie up a game they nearly had no business being in. It's a tough loss because Skins fans wanted so bad to believe this team had turned the corner and only a victory over the Eagles would do that for them. But it was still a valiant performance by the defense and the backup QB. Things are much better around here than they used to be. I'm excited to see Beck get a full game and do things like tuck-it-and-run instead of chuck-it-into-coverage. That will really help this offense keep drives alive.

I don't expect a playoff run or even a record over .500 this year. I'll hope for it and anything can happen in a sport with a sixteen-game regular season, but mostly I'm just happy that the team seems to be heading in the right direction. They're well-coached and the front office is finally seeking out depth and value instead of stars and headlines. And I think you're right about Beck, we're gonna need that scrambling ability with the injuries to the O-line. And we're not alone- Grant Paulsen just tweeted that of the first 125 fan votes he got in his Beck vs. Grossman poll, 101 were for Beck. I'm not sure Grossman has done enough to lose the job yet, but I think Beck gives us the better chance to win.

I don't I've seen enough from Beck to say he gives us a better chance to win. I have seen enough of Grossman though to say anyone else would be worth a shot.

 

[fatness]

If you told me Grossman was going to throw 4 picks, I would have predicted the Eagles win by at least 20. I think you have to be pleased the team hung in there, never gave up, and came up an opportunity short to tie up a game they nearly had no business being in. It's a tough loss because Skins fans wanted so bad to believe this team had turned the corner and only a victory over the Eagles would do that for them. But it was still a valiant performance by the defense and the backup QB. Things are much better around here than they used to be. I'm excited to see Beck get a full game and do things like tuck-it-and-run instead of chuck-it-into-coverage. That will really help this offense keep drives alive.

I agree with all of that.

 

[fatness]

The Panthers are 3 point favorites over the Skins.

The Skins are thinking about moving Jamaal Brown to LT and having Locklear play RT. Montgomery will keep Lichtensteiger's spot at G, with Cook playing C. At least for now.

 

[dehaven123]

3-2.

ill take it.

ill admit it, i like this season's direction.

ill temper my expectations.

8-8, im happy.

will b interesting to see oline post injury.

hope trent is out only 1-2wks.

go w/ beck.

what do we have to lose?

 

[crispus attucks]

Stallworth should be released and Hankerson activated to see whether he can make plays. The drop by #19 was huge and reminded me of his bobbling preseason TD - dude has shaky hands. Paul can take his gunner responsibilities. We need a big receiver for inside the redzone.

With Cook as centerman, are we returning to the Cory Raymer days? Hope he can recover quickly and play. I hear he was hurt in pregame but played on gamely. unfortunately, the continued neglect in building a deep OL is going to kill any hope we had for a solid O this year.

prettiest play of the game? the beck to Austin seam route to the goal line. beck says he and 18 have developed good chemistry on the scout team and I would like to see more

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?

 

[DCThunder]

Is there any way the MegaMinds go back to Rex on Sunday? Do they give him "one more chance"?

 

[dgreen]

Of course there's a chance Rex starts Sunday.

 

[Warrior]

Stallworth should be released and Hankerson activated to see whether he can make plays. The drop by #19 was huge and reminded me of his bobbling preseason TD - dude has shaky hands. Paul can take his gunner responsibilities. We need a big receiver for inside the redzone.

With Cook as centerman, are we returning to the Cory Raymer days? Hope he can recover quickly and play. I hear he was hurt in pregame but played on gamely. unfortunately, the continued neglect in building a deep OL is going to kill any hope we had for a solid O this year.

prettiest play of the game? the beck to Austin seam route to the goal line. beck says he and 18 have developed good chemistry on the scout team and I would like to see more

No offense, but have you seen a single Hankerson play? Did you watch any of the offseason? Hankerson has the worst hands on the team, and it's not close. Yet you want to activate him because #19 dropped a pass? We already went through this in multiple pre-season games. Hankerson is god-awful. Absolute garbage. Stallworth is miles ahead of him, and he's nothing special either.

Now I do expect Hankerson to improve over the next season or two. I think he's got load of potential and am excited about that. But currently....he's pathetic.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Stallworth should be released and Hankerson activated to see whether he can make plays. The drop by #19 was huge and reminded me of his bobbling preseason TD - dude has shaky hands. Paul can take his gunner responsibilities. We need a big receiver for inside the redzone.

Paul is already a gunner. I think it has far less to do with Hankerson's receiving abilities and more to do with the numbers game every team has to play with their active spots every week. Stallworth and Paul's contributions on ST are currently worth more on Sunday than the upgrade Hankerson might bring to the #3 or 4 WR spot.

 

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We already went through this in multiple pre-season games. Hankerson is god-awful. Absolute garbage. Stallworth is miles ahead of him, and he's nothing special either.

Now I do expect Hankerson to improve over the next season or two. I think he's got load of potential and am excited about that. But currently....he's pathetic.

That seems to be an overly extreme critique of Hankerson, IMO. He seemed to improve as the preseason went on (he caught 4 of his 5 targets in the final preseason game; 9 of 13 targets over the whole preseason).Keim wrote a piece on Hankerson just a couple of weeks ago. FWIW, he had this quote in that article:

But cornerback DeAngelo Hall said before the Arizona game Hankerson mimicked Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald in practice and "caught every ball they threw. He's a beast."

Paul and Stallworth are valuable ST players, and the coaches love Paul's blocking abilities on offense. Again, it's a numbers game more than whether or not Hankerson is a "better" pass catcher than Paul or Stallworth or Austin.