***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[MattFancy]

Saw an interesting thought, what if we just backload all the contracts? I know this got the Skins in trouble before, but with reports that the cap could be over $150M in the next few years seems to make it seem like that may not be a terrible idea. Now, if the cap doesn't increase like that, we'd be SOL.

 

[Marvelous]

Saw an interesting thought, what if we just backload all the contracts? I know this got the Skins in trouble before, but with reports that the cap could be over $150M in the next few years seems to make it seem like that may not be a terrible idea. Now, if the cap doesn't increase like that, we'd be SOL.

I am 100% against backloaded contracts. The Redskins are in transition and they should be thinking they need 2 or 3 years to re-tool the roster. Backloading the contracts gets you the maximum players now and less players in the future. I think next year or the year after, you may think you are one or two players away from contending and then it's worth it to go all out and get that player. They are not there now.

Actually, I am not sure it is ever a good idea to use massively backloaded contracts. If the player does not work out, you end up with a massive cap hit and a year with no free agents at all. That is not a good way to go.

 

[Marvelous]

Saw an interesting thought, what if we just backload all the contracts? I know this got the Skins in trouble before, but with reports that the cap could be over $150M in the next few years seems to make it seem like that may not be a terrible idea. Now, if the cap doesn't increase like that, we'd be SOL.

I am 100% against backloaded contracts. The Redskins are in transition and they should be thinking they need 2 or 3 years to re-tool the roster. Backloading the contracts gets you the maximum players now and less players in the future. I think next year or the year after, you may think you are one or two players away from contending and then it's worth it to go all out and get that player. They are not there now.

Actually, I am not sure it is ever a good idea to use massively backloaded contracts. If the player does not work out, you end up with a massive cap hit and a year with no free agents at all. That is not a good way to go.

Let me clarify my response: backloading salary is ok. The cap looks to be going up and agents love it since it makes the contracts look bigger.

I don't want exorbinate signing bonuses and using lots of backloaded years to spread out the cap hits. That limits what you can do in the future.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I think salaries are going to gradually rise as the salary cap goes up and thus backloading too much would put us in a hole for FAs and re-signing guys in a few years when we hope to be competitive.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

2 things motivate players. Winning and Money. Backloading contracts (at least in the sense of backloading cap hit by paying players bonuses upfront...what we did in the past) does just the opposite. There is absolutely no incentive on delivering a winning product on the field or to gain more money. In fact,at some point in their contract players may be better off tanking and getting another contract from another team. If you can backload salary along with having terminatable contracts, it's fine. But backloading cap hit, that's a recipe for disaster.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I just came to say that this Cowboys fan here in DC is in love with Cooley. I liked him before he retired and thoughtful was one of the most underutilized players over the years. He was far more elusive after then catch then our boy Witten.

But now, I can't get enough of his film breakdown. He's GREAT on the radio.

I think so too! He is a very pleasant surprise and seems to have fit right into the broadcasting realm.

 

[fatness]

49ers are supposedly cutting Carlos Rogers, who the Skins never should have let go (like Ryan Clark). Rogers won't get anywhere near the $8 million a year he was scheduled to make in SF. He might be available at a much more modest price.

 

[fatness]

the Redskins have made inquiries on free agent wide receivers Andrew Hawkins and Kenny Britt, according to two people with knowledge of the situation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/03/10/redskins-eye-wide-receivers-kenny-britt-and-andrew-hawkins/

I really don't want Britt or Talib. Either one is likely to show enough to get the staff to start counting on them, and then sooner or later go off the rails leaving a dead roster spot.

 

[fatness]

Al Galdi ‏@AlGaldi 1h

Sproles, Talib, Mitchell, Munnerlyn - the many FAs already linked to the #Redskins

I'd love to see them sign both Mitchell and Munnerlyn.

 

[fatness]

Ravens veteran free-agent defensive tackle Arthur Jones is off to a fast start leading up to the signing period that starts Tuesday.

Under NFL rules, teams are allowed to talk with players' agents in advance of Tuesday and may discuss contract parameters without formally agreeing to terms.

Jones has already drawn interest from the Green Bay Packers, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings and other NFL teams, according to league sources

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-sources-arthur-jones-drawing-interest-from-titans-redskins-giants-and-vikings-others-20140309,0,4638740.story

 

[dehaven123]

49ers are supposedly cutting Carlos Rogers, who the Skins never should have let go (like Ryan Clark). Rogers won't get anywhere near the $8 million a year he was scheduled to make in SF. He might be available at a much more modest price.

yeah, i wish we had gotten the carlos rogers, post contact lense prescription, instead of pre-!

 

[dehaven123]

Al Galdi ‏@AlGaldi 1h

Sproles, Talib, Mitchell, Munnerlyn - the many FAs already linked to the #Redskins

I'd love to see them sign both Mitchell and Munnerlyn.

these are the 2 id like added as well.

id be ok with talib tho, britt would prolly burn us.

 

[fatness]

49ers are supposedly cutting Carlos Rogers, who the Skins never should have let go (like Ryan Clark). Rogers won't get anywhere near the $8 million a year he was scheduled to make in SF. He might be available at a much more modest price.

yeah, i wish we had gotten the carlos rogers, post contact lense prescription, instead of pre-!

Yeah, I forgot all about the lenses.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Al Galdi ‏@AlGaldi 1h

Sproles, Talib, Mitchell, Munnerlyn - the many FAs already linked to the #Redskins

I'd love to see them sign both Mitchell and Munnerlyn.

I don't see it with those two. I get wanting to go with the younger tier-2 guys rather than overpaying for the big name...but these guys played well behind a GREAT front-7. Bringing them here and paying them for what they accomplished in a much better situation will just lead to disappointment.

 

[fatness]

Mitchell's a good free safety, something the Redskins don't currently have. He can cover, which means when CB's get beat he's there as a last line of defense. And when the CB turns over a receiver to the safety he'll actually be there, you know? That didn't happen often enough last year. Basically he'd be good relief/backup for the CB's.

As for Munnerlyn, each game I saw him he was around the ball a ton. He's better as a 3rd CB covering a slot receiver, not as one of the 2 main CB's, but these days teams have 3 CB's on the field so much he'd be a solid upgrade.

Mitchell is 26 and Munnerlyn is 25.

 

[fatness]

Reports say Riley re-signed with Skins, and it'll be announced tomorrow. I don't see any contract details yet.

Good.

 

[fatness]

@NBCdianna:Source: Aqib Talib is very close to a deal with Patriots. #NFLFreeagency

Source: Redskins wants Aqib Talib but Patriots are offering better deal #NFLFreeAgency

 

[fatness]

Same Diana.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source: Cornerback & Former Redskin Carlos Rodgers would love to come back to Washington. Redskins are discussing

She seems to get a decent amount of Redskin news.

 

[dehaven123]

Same Diana.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source: Cornerback & Former Redskin Carlos Rodgers would love to come back to Washington. Redskins are discussing

She seems to get a decent amount of Redskin news.

any insight into why he would 'love' to be back in DC? color me skeptical...

 

[dehaven123]

Reports say Riley re-signed with Skins, and it'll be announced tomorrow. I don't see any contract details yet.

Good.

im in the perry riley camp still. i like this, contract aside. im curious as to the details.

also read that skins did not carry any cap forward from 2013, something like 800K over once adjusted bonuses were awarded at yrs end.

 

[fatness]

Same Diana.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source: Cornerback & Former Redskin Carlos Rodgers would love to come back to Washington. Redskins are discussing

She seems to get a decent amount of Redskin news.

any insight into why he would 'love' to be back in DC? color me skeptical...

No. All I have is that report and this (which she may have reported on TV).

Dianna Marie Russini reports that the Redskins are discussing a possible reunion with veteran CB Carlos Rogers who was released by the 49ers earlier in the day.

• Russini adds that Rogers would “love” to be back in Washington next year.

Rogers, 32, spent the first six years of his career with the Redskins before signing on with the 49ers back in 2011.

Washington is believed to be focused on upgrading their secondary and Rogers could end up being a value option for some team

I assume that means they're discussing it internally, since I don't think Rogers has be formally released yet.

 

[fatness]

Reports say Riley re-signed with Skins, and it'll be announced tomorrow. I don't see any contract details yet.

Good.

im in the perry riley camp still. i like this, contract aside. im curious as to the details.

also read that skins did not carry any cap forward from 2013, something like 800K over once adjusted bonuses were awarded at yrs end.

I read that also.

 

[MattFancy]

As long as we got Riley back at below what he was asking, I'm fine with that. He's not a great ILB, but he seems to be improving every year. Will be interesting to see how he does without Fletch beside him.

I keep seeing we pretty much have a done deal with Talib. I really hope we don't overpay for him.

 

[fatness]

Hilarious picture of Snyder here.

 

[fatness]

New England Patriots reportedly close to a deal with Aqib Talib

 

[MattFancy]

New England Patriots reportedly close to a deal with Aqib Talib

That's fine with me. Don't want to spend all that money on him

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Reports say Riley re-signed with Skins, and it'll be announced tomorrow. I don't see any contract details yet.

Good.

im in the perry riley camp still. i like this, contract aside. im curious as to the details.

also read that skins did not carry any cap forward from 2013, something like 800K over once adjusted bonuses were awarded at yrs end.

I read that also.

Actually, Bruce Allen stated that was news to him after hearing those mis-reports as they were carrying over 1.3 million and have until today to actually decide. Saw it on twitter much later in the day after that PFT report, who have been off several times on reports lately.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

New England Patriots reportedly close to a deal with Aqib Talib

That's fine with me. Don't want to spend all that money on him

Yeah, it looks as though Talib is back with NE and we are the main landing spot for J. Byrd.

 

[MattFancy]

Here's what I want to see out of FA:

S

OL

WR

CB

DL

ILB

Probably in that order too. Sproles would be a nice pick up, but I'm not going to be angry if we miss out on him since we seem to be fine at RB. Just get guys for the secondary, OL and a WR to compliment Garcon and I'll be happy going into the draft.

 

[dgreen]

I expect one or two bigger $ signings (most likely on D) and then some filler signings.

Byrd is the obvious #1 rumor right now. I won't be surprised if they add another big signing on the defensive side.

 

[MattFancy]

Sounds like the Skins have made an offer to Andre Roberts.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Welcome to our annual Superbowl...which has been on hiatus for the past year or two. Only downside is we don't get the funny and clever commercials to go with it.

 

[MattFancy]

Mike Jones from the Post reporting that Andre Robers will be signed. Nothing is official until 4pm though.

 

[fatness]

Riley got $13 million for 3 years. Don't know what is guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/443374649582559232

Fine by me.

 

[MattFancy]

Riley got $13 million for 3 years. Don't know what is guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/443374649582559232

Fine by me.

Great deal considering he was hoping to get $7mil/yr.

Sounds like the Roberts deal will be for 4ys/$16mil with $8mil guaranteed. FA off to a good start with those signings.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Happy with Riley and Roberts deals.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Nice, I like the Roberts signing, although I was envisioning a little lower price tbh - will be easier to gauge once we see what other guys go for. I have seen some stuff about Kenny Britt and the Redskins - is everyone here against that? I actually like it assuming he is dirt cheap, but maybe I am too used to fantasy and not considering the actual locker room chemistry situation. Only reason I bring Britt up is because I have seen a good bit of suggesting that Jay Gruden likes bigger receivers and assuming Garcon and Roberts start, that's not a lot of size.

 

[MattFancy]

Nice, I like the Roberts signing, although I was envisioning a little lower price tbh - will be easier to gauge once we see what other guys go for. I have seen some stuff about Kenny Britt and the Redskins - is everyone here against that? I actually like it assuming he is dirt cheap, but maybe I am too used to fantasy and not considering the actual locker room chemistry situation. Only reason I bring Britt up is because I have seen a good bit of suggesting that Jay Gruden likes bigger receivers and assuming Garcon and Roberts start, that's not a lot of size.

Just saw that we had Moss for 3yrs/$15mil, so we're actually getting younger and saving money going from Moss to Roberts. Seems like a smart deal to me.

As far as Britt, anything more than a year or 2 is too much for me. I want a deal that if he screws up, we can get out of easily.

 

[fatness]

I think they're looking at Hawkins replacing Moss and Roberts replacing Morgan/Hankerson. Plus whoever they draft.

 

[Hankmoody]

I can't understand what anyone sees in Britt. He's done zilch, he's been a cancer, and he looks like his knees are shot. What's the allure?

 

[Ted Mullins]

Nice, I like the Roberts signing, although I was envisioning a little lower price tbh - will be easier to gauge once we see what other guys go for. I have seen some stuff about Kenny Britt and the Redskins - is everyone here against that? I actually like it assuming he is dirt cheap, but maybe I am too used to fantasy and not considering the actual locker room chemistry situation. Only reason I bring Britt up is because I have seen a good bit of suggesting that Jay Gruden likes bigger receivers and assuming Garcon and Roberts start, that's not a lot of size.

Just saw that we had Moss for 3yrs/$15mil, so we're actually getting younger and saving money going from Moss to Roberts. Seems like a smart deal to me.

As far as Britt, anything more than a year or 2 is too much for me. I want a deal that if he screws up, we can get out of easily.

Thanks, this is good stuff - within the context of the Moss deal the Roberts deal looks great to me. I guess I undervalued Roberts since he had such a quiet year. Agree with you on Britt too - you definitely want something easy to get out of. I am intrigued by his potential personally but think it's unlikely after the Roberts signing, just brought it up because of the way I've seen Gruden linked to big receivers.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I can't understand what anyone sees in Britt. He's done zilch, he's been a cancer, and he looks like his knees are shot. What's the allure?

For me personally, the allure is he has been really good for some short stretches, has the size/speed combo of a potential elite WR1, and is actually still only 25 years old even though he seems to have been around awhile. Basically, I think all of your criticisms (except he has had a few very good stretches) are perfectly reasonable but I am assuming that the warts will be priced in - I wouldn't be interested at a price like what we paid Roberts, for instance.

 

[fatness]

Britt is the kind of guy you sign to a vet minimum 1-year deal and don't count on at all in your plans. Every criticism of him above is valid. The reason he's worth that much of a shot is that at times in his career he's been absolutely un-coverable for stretches of games. There's a slim chance that could happen again.

I don't think it will; he'll probably get busted for stealing tampons with an unregistered vehicle and no license. But you never know.

 

[fatness]

Redskin free agents hitting the market.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/sixteen-redskins-could-hit-open-market

Looking at that makes me wonder why, a year ago, we thought we were in such a good spot with depth.

 

[fatness]

Determined to fix their problematic secondary, the Washington Redskins continue to hold discussions with a number of the top defensive backs on the market, according to multiple people with knowledge of the situation. The Redskins over the course of the past several days have expressed interest in Buffalo safety Jairus Byrd, Baltimore cornerback Corey Graham and Carolina cornerback Captain Munnerlyn. Add those names to the list that already includes New England cornerback Aqib Talib and Carolina safety Mike Mitchell.

Mike Jones

 

[dgreen]

IT'S 4:01, WHY HAVE WE NOT SIGNED ANYONE!?!?!?!?

 

[dgreen]

Sounds like Roberts is a definite and Moss has signed a 1 year deal to stay.

 

[dgreen]

Shawn Lauvao has agreed to terms. Starting G for Cleveland the last few years. Turns 27 this Fall.

 

[dgreen]

Mark Bullock ‏@UkRedskin1 24s Watching new #Redskins guard Shawn Lauvao, plays at right guard. Used as pulling lineman almost every run I've watched so far.

 

[fatness]

Mark Bullock ‏@UkRedskin1 24sWatching new #Redskins guard Shawn Lauvao, plays at right guard. Used as pulling lineman almost every run I've watched so far.

Welcome to the bench or the street, Chris Chester.

There's also talk of moving Lichtensteiger to C and cutting Montgomery. That leaves the other guard spot open for Fatso or for a FA or rookie.