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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)
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dgreen
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Lol. Where did they get that number from?
fatness
Footballguy
Did anyone catch Larry Michael's pregame breakdown of the Redskins-Rams game?
I just saw it now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/08/larry-michaels-preview-of-the-rams-game-was-everything-thats-wrong-with-the-redskins/
I just saw it now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/08/larry-michaels-preview-of-the-rams-game-was-everything-thats-wrong-with-the-redskins/
fatness
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fatness
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I didn't hear the show. From this article it doesn't sound as though Fletcher backed down. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/08/london-fletcher-on-his-jim-haslett-criticism-if-he-has-a-problem-jim-knows-my-number/London Fletcher is now on with the Junkies. Bickel has destroyed him the entire morning so let so how this turns out
Sidewinder16
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ConnSKINS26
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Ted Mullins
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It's here if you wanna listen - http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/08/eb-of-the-junkies-tells-london-fletcher-hes-a-phony-for-haslett-remarks-listen/I didn't hear the show. From this article it doesn't sound as though Fletcher backed down. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/08/london-fletcher-on-his-jim-haslett-criticism-if-he-has-a-problem-jim-knows-my-number/London Fletcher is now on with the Junkies. Bickel has destroyed him the entire morning so let so how this turns out
London actually did say he could have approached it differently but didn't sound very sorry about it - if you listen to him you can tell this is personal and Haslett must have trashed Fletcher behind his back at some point...you can tell that it isn't just Xs and Os. EB basically said he didn't respect the way Fletcher did this when Haslett defended Fletcher publicly after Fletcher's play fell off, but Fletcher likely doesn't care about that if he feels/knows Haslett has been trashing him behind his back.
FWIW, Mike Jones from WaPo was on during an earlier segment and basically said that London Fletcher isn't as nice as everyone thinks he is either and Grant Paulsen (former skins beat guy, radio now) tweeted something to the same effect.
I feel like a little teenage girl...all the drama and I can't look away. It's more compelling than the games are at this point.
Intrigued to see if anything comes of Gruden and Michigan.
dgreen
Footballguy
Did it look that bad on TV? Redskins claim a little over 70k, which seems high. But they scan tickets when you enter so it should be an easy number to generate and very accurate. I wouldn't be totally shocked If they intentionally fudge the number, but I would guess other explanations are more likely.While cold, the weather wasn't horrible. It looked to me like the sunny side of the stands in the UL were near 75% at the peak. SRO was pretty empty, but I would guess a lot of people bought $4 SRO tickets and then sat wherever they wanted (preferably in the sun once they noticed seats remain empty). The LL is pretty much always close to full. Reminded me of a preseason game and my guess would be about 90% full. Club Level is hard to determine because they have their indoor climate controlled concourse with leather couches, so there were probably a few thousand who just uung out there.
Parking lots were a tad lighter than usual, but didn't seem to be embarrassingly so. Lines existed at concessions and the bathroom. Tons of people just hang out in the concourse for large chunks of games. Four people behind me didn't arrive until the second quarter and were gone after the PR TD. They were also gone for large chunks in between, just hanging in the concourse drinking and watching other games.
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MattFancy
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I'm now leaning 70-30 that Gruden is gone after this season.
In his presser yesterday, he just sounded like someone that is defeated. He even admitted that it's taken more of a toll than he thought it would when he first got here. Who actually says that?
Then the whole QB debacle. He legitmately sounded like he's going to put Kirk back in at some point. Why? Just let Griffin finish out these last 3 games. Why keep constantly changing QBs? It's not like any of the 3 have produced better results. And we wonder why the offense looks so out of sync every week. Just stick with a damn QB. It's Week 14 and he still doesn't know which one is best? Then he needs to go.
In his presser yesterday, he just sounded like someone that is defeated. He even admitted that it's taken more of a toll than he thought it would when he first got here. Who actually says that?
Then the whole QB debacle. He legitmately sounded like he's going to put Kirk back in at some point. Why? Just let Griffin finish out these last 3 games. Why keep constantly changing QBs? It's not like any of the 3 have produced better results. And we wonder why the offense looks so out of sync every week. Just stick with a damn QB. It's Week 14 and he still doesn't know which one is best? Then he needs to go.
MattFancy
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It gets bad when they talk about the Redskins. When they talk about anything else, it's enjoyable. But for some reason, it just sounds like they have no idea about the team. EB flip flops back and forth on every issue with the team. This was the guy who called RG3 "bust proof" during his rookie season. He just had a mock burial of RG3's Redskin career.
PinkydaPimp
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So if we were to fire gruden. Who would we get to coach the team? Why would any coach want to? Unless snyder hands out another contract like he did to gruden with guaranteed money.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I don't know.
I'm not always for firing coaches after a season, but this team is getting worse as the season goes on. What progress has Gruden shown the last few weeks? The defense seems to be blowing more and more coverages every game. The offense seems to only move if we're playing against prevent defense and we've gone through 3 QBs, all with similar results. It's hard to want to give him another season since the team seems to be sharply regressing every week instead of showing any signs of improvement.
The Browns did the same thing last year with Chud. They didn't see it going anywhere after a season and cut bait, also got rid of Lombardi. Now, they seem to be improved and are in the playoff hunt. We need to do the same thing. Gruden and the staff need to go, as well as Allen. We need to start fresh. Will it make us a playoff contender next season? Probably not. But this current path doesn't seem like one that is leading anywhere good.
MattFancy
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Also thought it was interesting in Gruden's press conference that he blamed everyone on the offense except for McCoy. Talked about how the OL was switching to the wrong protections, RBs couldn't pass block, penalties and how we aren't good at coming from behind or converting 3rd and longs. Nothing about Colt holding onto the ball too long or his INTs. I don't remember him being so forgiving of Griffin.
PinkydaPimp
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I think if we go that direction Allen Must go. Fire him. Hire a new GM and have the new GM fire gruden. Then at least the new coach might be more willing to come being that a real GM is there and the team is really committed to starting over.
Here is my take. The current set up with Gruden and the front office is not working. And it is not going to get better. We can debate whether it is Gruden's fault, Allen's fault, or Snyder's fault, but it clearly is not working.
The Redskins need to hire a big name. This is the 3rd rookie coach under Snyder and it has been a disaster each time (Spurrier, Zorn, and Gruden). They have had modest success when they have hired a big name coach (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, and Shanahan).
Jim Harbaugh is available. Trade for him and give him control of personnel. Let him hire all the front office types he wants and get out of the way. Give him a 5 year contract and $40 M guaranteed. I doubt other big name coaches will consider the Redskins (Bill Cowher, Jimmy Johnson).
Bruce Allen can stay on board to coordinate homecoming week and Redskin's pants.
Anything short of this and the Redskins will start next season with a big cloud hanging over the organization.
The Redskins need to hire a big name. This is the 3rd rookie coach under Snyder and it has been a disaster each time (Spurrier, Zorn, and Gruden). They have had modest success when they have hired a big name coach (Shottenheimer, Gibbs, and Shanahan).
Jim Harbaugh is available. Trade for him and give him control of personnel. Let him hire all the front office types he wants and get out of the way. Give him a 5 year contract and $40 M guaranteed. I doubt other big name coaches will consider the Redskins (Bill Cowher, Jimmy Johnson).
Bruce Allen can stay on board to coordinate homecoming week and Redskin's pants.
Anything short of this and the Redskins will start next season with a big cloud hanging over the organization.
Hang 10
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MattFancy
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dgreen
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Also, McCoy made similar comments to the media as Griffin did a few weeks ago and...nothing. When asked yesterday about who would start if Colt can't go, he said it would be Griffin but offered little extra in his answer. When asked if Cousins was pretty much done with the Redskins this season, Gruden perked up and excitedly explained that it's very possible Cousins gets another start.
Something led to Gruden's great dislike of Griffin. It's not just a football thing. The dislike could very well be justified, but the way he's handling seems horrible.
MattFancy
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Agreed. I don't know what happened, but it's pretty clear that Gruden dislikes Griffin. There's no other way to explain why when Colt and Kirk had bad games, he placed blame on the whole team, but when Griffin had a bad game, it was because he has poor fundamentals and was playing poorly.
steelers1080
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Jay Gruden seems to bumble his way through press conferences like a child in front of a class. He doesn't know where he's going with his talk, somehow it's always someone else's fault, and he latches on to any new suggestions that he somehow never thought of before. Didn't like his signing when it happened. Really? We want the guy that took a talented cincy team to the playoffs only to lose in the first round every year? They could have done so much better.
Bruce Allen has also done a horrible job as GM. I won't fault him for the RG3 trade, but most of his other picks/moves have been major busts. RG3 hasn't turned out as we hoped after his amazing start, but for the most part we all thought he was going to be amazing for a long time (Not that most people admit it now).
They need to fire Gruden and Allen, let Cousins walk, and bring in a new GM. Let that GM pick the coach and let the new GM/Coach combo decide what to do going forward. That includes the QB quagmire, the horrendous defense, and the atrocious offensive line. Give the new combo at least 3 years to try and improve the team. Even if the team goes 1-15 or 2-14 the first year and 3-13 the second year. Give them 3 years to try and build the team how they want. This turnaround is going to be tough and it's going to take a while. An example could be Rich Rod's Michigan team and Arizona team. He arrived and they kept sucking, but it took years to recruit and build the team how he wanted it. Then he gets fired and Hoke rides his team to a couple good years, and now Arizona is having success too. Changes don't happen overnight, but you also need the right people leading the team.
Fire Gruden and Allen or this team isn't going deep in the playoffs before 2020.
Bruce Allen has also done a horrible job as GM. I won't fault him for the RG3 trade, but most of his other picks/moves have been major busts. RG3 hasn't turned out as we hoped after his amazing start, but for the most part we all thought he was going to be amazing for a long time (Not that most people admit it now).
They need to fire Gruden and Allen, let Cousins walk, and bring in a new GM. Let that GM pick the coach and let the new GM/Coach combo decide what to do going forward. That includes the QB quagmire, the horrendous defense, and the atrocious offensive line. Give the new combo at least 3 years to try and improve the team. Even if the team goes 1-15 or 2-14 the first year and 3-13 the second year. Give them 3 years to try and build the team how they want. This turnaround is going to be tough and it's going to take a while. An example could be Rich Rod's Michigan team and Arizona team. He arrived and they kept sucking, but it took years to recruit and build the team how he wanted it. Then he gets fired and Hoke rides his team to a couple good years, and now Arizona is having success too. Changes don't happen overnight, but you also need the right people leading the team.
Fire Gruden and Allen or this team isn't going deep in the playoffs before 2020.
We are now looking at The Browns as an example of how to do things. I repeat, we as fans are looking at The Cleveland Freaking Browns as what we aspire to be. That's how far this organization has fallen.
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I am pretty sure something happened during the bye week. That was the turning point when Griffin played so bad against TB and then Gruden lit up Griffin in the press. Against SF the following week, Griffin still looked like a shell of the QB he was before. And the play calling was so vanilla, it showed Gruden had no confidence in Griffin. Of course, it is the only game where Gruden actually tried to run the ball with any consistency and they stayed in the game for a while.MattFancy said:
I am not sure what the point of playing Griffin is if Gruden won't install a normal game plan or call plays that Griffin runs well. It seems like a waste of time.
Listening to Skins today on the radio talking about how they wish Shanny was still head coach really tells you all you need to know about this fan base. I mean guess everything that happened in November and December last year was imaginary and that Super Bob and Shanny would work swimmingly now.
fatness
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MattFancy
Footballguy
Tandler is right. Wonder if the media will call him out on it?
He did the same thing for Kirk too though. When he through 4 INTs, he said you can't put all of that on Kirk. So when Kirk and Colt screw up, it's not their fault. But when Robert does, it's because he's playing poorly. Whatever you gotta tell yourself Jay.
He did the same thing for Kirk too though. When he through 4 INTs, he said you can't put all of that on Kirk. So when Kirk and Colt screw up, it's not their fault. But when Robert does, it's because he's playing poorly. Whatever you gotta tell yourself Jay.
fatness
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Yeah, when your coach is trying to sabotage the QB on the field it's pretty weird, that's for sure.
I was watching all those plays McCoy ran from the shotgun against St. Louis, and kept thinking "if Griffin gets to start again Gruden will have him right up under center where he gets hit quicker."
dgreen
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I tend to get pretty annoyed with the media at times harping on certain things, but I was amazed that they didn't push Gruden on this yesterday. I happened to be in my car for the first several minutes of his PC and so many follow-up questions were popping into my head. When asked about who would start if Colt can't go, it was something like, "Robert would start, for now." For now? What does that mean? I don't think anyone asked.
MattFancy
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I need to go back and look, but I wonder how many plays from the Shotgun Griffin has run this year. My guess is not many or at least it seems that way.
I remember reading an article from PFF over the summer that charted how each QB does from the Shotgun, Pistol and under center. Belive RG3's numbers from 2013 were much better when he was playing from the Shotgun as opposed to under center.
Here's the link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/03/qbs-in-focus-shotgun/
MattFancy
Footballguy
Kinda like his "as of this moment RG3 is the starter". Then the next day it came out Colt would get the start.
I doubt RG3 will start Sunday. He sounded really excited when someone aked him yesterday about the chances of Kirk playing again this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kirk got the start Sunday if Colt is out.
fatness
Footballguy
Nothing inspires confidence quite like a hangdog hopeless-looking coach starting a hangdog hopeless-looking QB.
At this point I hope Michigan does us a favor and takes Gruden. He might be a rookie head coach learning on the job, but he has bumbled up the 1 area he was supposed to be the guru at. QBs. Plus he creates drama instead of deflecting it. Does anyone thing Joe Gibbs would be dissing his QB like that? Belicheck? I can see maybe Parcells, but he's got juice to do something like that. Gruden need to start practicing what he preaches and take some accountability.
TobiasFunke
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Pretty sure all of those sacks are RGIII's fault. Even when he wasn't on the field he was destroying team morale with his mopey behavior on the sidelines. Jason Reid told me so. He was right about John Wall's tattoos, so I'm sure he's right about this too.
dgreen
Footballguy
And did you hear about RG3 punting the ball and chasing it after practice the other day!?!?!?!?!
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Did I ever. Pretty sure that's why the Rams sniffed out the fake punt on Sunday. Not sure how exactly they're connected, but it was definitely RGIII's fault.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'll start thinking he's the problem when the organization produces a QB other than RGIII who consistently plays well. It's been 20 years. Until then I'll continue to think the problems start at the top.
His 2012 season was the best QB play the organization has seen since Rypien's magical year. You know how many starts they gave him after that season and his torn ACL before throwing him in the dumpster? 18. And he didn't even consistently suck in those 18. He had a passer rating over 90 in 8 of them.
I don't think he was blameless. But almost without exception, elite talent underwhelms when they join this organization, no matter who is coaching or choosing the personnel. At some point it's no longer a coincidence.
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