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No.  He sees the photograph.  He then tells Delores the phrase "these violent delights have violent ends," which is from Romeo & Juliet.  That's the phrase that Delores seemingly infects Maeve with in Episode 2. 
I still don't think that phrase "infects" anything.  Always considered that hypothesis strange.

 
I'm trying to remember... was dad given a catch-phrase that precipitated his freak-out... similar to delores and maeve?
Also, as the tech girl mentioned, this wasn't an instant glitch. He found the pic, looked at it and didn't freak out until quite a bit later. 

 
I still don't think that phrase "infects" anything.  Always considered that hypothesis strange.
There's potential there for a virus, no?

If you can verbally command them could a virus be verbally triggered? Not saying a virus is introduced to them verbally, but some deep lying code from Arnold that can be triggered by those words. 

 
No.  He sees the photograph.  He then tells Delores the phrase "these violent delights have violent ends," which is from Romeo & Juliet.  That's the phrase that Delores seemingly infects Maeve with in Episode 2. 
I still don't think that phrase "infects" anything.  Always considered that hypothesis strange.
huh. they talk about having voice commands that do a myriad of things... not sure why it would be a strange hypothesis here.

 
There's potential there for a virus, no?

If you can verbally command them could a virus be verbally triggered? Not saying a virus is introduced to them verbally, but some deep lying code from Arnold that can be triggered by those words. 
I didn't get a sense that it was a virus as much as unlocking a part of code that triggers new loops/commands.

if: violent delights have violents ends

then: awwwwwww... freak out.

 
I'm trying to remember... was dad given a catch-phrase that precipitated his freak-out... similar to delores and maeve?
No.  He sees the photograph.  He then tells Delores the phrase "these violent delights have violent ends," which is from Romeo & Juliet.  That's the phrase that Delores seemingly infects Maeve with in Episode 2. 


Btw, William's fiance is named Juliet.  :unsure:

 
If, as we suspect, Ford is now fabricating a Host replacement for Theresa, the times that Bernard has studied her facial expressions now read as extremely, extremely creepy.  He was literally compiling data to make the facsimile more accurate.

 
getting back to this... they also showed him having conversations with his son. his dead, robot son.
The son conversations were clearly depicted as a memory, which of course is easily programmed. The conversation with his wife was at least made to look like it was happening presently. 

 
There's potential there for a virus, no?

If you can verbally command them could a virus be verbally triggered? Not saying a virus is introduced to them verbally, but some deep lying code from Arnold that can be triggered by those words. 
A virus is a foreign code, saying a phrase to someone isn't coding.

 
It's kind of a sci fi trope that a phrase can function like a computer virus.  Probably used most memorably in Snow Crash.  It's a voice command, possibly a piece of code left in by Arnold. 
I could maybe buy that it is a voice command.  But I still kinda doubt it.  We know that what's her smashed in face was out there actively tweaking hosts already, so I would speculate the "awakenings" going on right now are related to that.

 
A virus is a foreign code, saying a phrase to someone isn't coding.
"Not saying a virus is introduced to them verbally, but some deep lying code from Arnold that can be triggered by those words. "

Virus was the wrong word, but there's potentially something there that could be set off by the words

 
So, what if, the way Ford hooks some people on this park...

he says it's the small details, the little things, the things that make a guest think and feel that they're the first to discover something

...what if that thing he references is a guest discovering a host awakening?  And it's all just a programmed show to convince the guest that they're there as a host is marching towards consciousness?

 
"Not saying a virus is introduced to them verbally, but some deep lying code from Arnold that can be triggered by those words. "

Virus was the wrong word, but there's potentially something there that could be set off by the words
I guess but I'm expecting someone more spectacular.

 
The son conversations were clearly depicted as a memory, which of course is easily programmed. The conversation with his wife was at least made to look like it was happening presently. 


That was a dream, they clearly showed him waking up after it.
good points.

that said- I don't think it's beyond the production team to add deceptive "live" action, like the phone call with the wife, that are actually memories.

 
We have no idea when this is taking place, right?

Did the movie venture out of the "bubble" (HQ and park) with any scenes?

 
Yeah, that seems odd next to the scene this week where they showed some modern pics to a different host and he didn't see anything.  

May be another mark in favor of multiple timelines. As @tommyboy noted, perhaps older generations didn't have that code, and maybe dad's freakout was what led to it being added? Although Dolores's "doesn't look like anything" was with William, which is supposedly in the "old" timeline, so... :loco:   :hangover:
according to the plans in Fords lair,  Delores was a prototype.    Its also been mentioned she's special compared to the other bots.

 
So I was listening to a podcast talking about the show and they let slip something that Nolan said giving out a big spoiler for episode 8 which kinda sucks that I saw it.  I went back and looked at the interview online and the answer was apparently changed from the spoiler to "I'll point you towards episode 8" so I guess they know they ####ed up.

Oh well. 

PM me if you want to know, otherwise I'll keep it out of here.

 
Only the train coming in and guests arriving
The movie was released in 1973 and took place in 1983.  I doubt very much the universe this is existing in will end up being 2026, but you never know.  Maybe they saw President Trump coming and this is some kind of holiday land from the dystopia that exists in the world now.

 
The movie was released in 1973 and took place in 1983.  I doubt very much the universe this is existing in will end up being 2026, but you never know.  Maybe they saw President Trump coming and this is some kind of holiday land from the dystopia that exists in the world now.
"I really don't like the way our President has treated women.  I need to get away and rape some robot babes to recharge."

 
I'm envious of the way our president treats women. I need to go away and rape some robot babes and feel better about not getting to be him in real life.

 
also bernard's wife on the video phone... if that really happened.
Bernard being a bot was hidden from more than just Bernard.  Ford probably made a bot wife for him and has her stashed in a closet for when she is needed to help Bernard's camouflage

 
I just read "robot babes" as "robot babies" like 3 times.  I was wondering what was wrong with you guys for a few moments.

 
Hov34 said:
Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Dolores's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
Seems to me that showing a picture of the outside world that they would not recognize is some sort of test to see if they have "awakened" or not. When Dolores's dad sees it, it causes the severe malfunction but when he shows Dolores, it's "it doesn't look like anything to me", because she had not yet been awakened. (he says the violent ends line right after this I believe)

This IMO is why Bernard was showing those photos to the host in the most recent episode, to see if they had cracked or not. If they respond with "it doesn't look like anything to me", then they're still not self-aware or hadn't been turned or whatever.

So while there may or may not be someone else in that photo, I don't think it has anything to do with the person. It's showing a world they have never seen or imagined.

 
Hov34 said:
Now that we know hosts can't see things that will upset them, who is in the picture that freaked out Dolores's dad? 

Picture

Was it the real life person Deloris was based off?  Or is it William with his fiance Juliet?
Seems to me that showing a picture of the outside world that they would not recognize is some sort of test to see if they have "awakened" or not. When Dolores's dad sees it, it causes the severe malfunction but when he shows Dolores, it's "it doesn't look like anything to me", because she had not yet been awakened. (he says the violent ends line right after this I believe)

This IMO is why Bernard was showing those photos to the host in the most recent episode, to see if they had cracked or not. If they respond with "it doesn't look like anything to me", then they're still not self-aware or hadn't been turned or whatever.

So while there may or may not be someone else in that photo, I don't think it has anything to do with the person. It's showing a world they have never seen or imagined.


But Dolores has not always been honest - Maybe she has seen this photo before but knows better than to react? (maybe William showed her his fiance Juliet)?

 
But Dolores has not always been honest - Maybe she has seen this photo before but knows better than to react? (maybe William showed her his fiance Juliet)?
Certainly possible (like pretty much everything on this show, which is awesome), but again in my mind this happened before she had her "awakening". Seemed pretty clear that the hosts "awaken" when someone says the line about violent ends, and Dolores didn't show any odd behavior that I recall until her dad said the line to her. 

Same thing with Maeve, she was perfectly "normal" until Dolores said the line that changes their code or whatever.

 
But Dolores has not always been honest - Maybe she has seen this photo before but knows better than to react? (maybe William showed her his fiance Juliet)?
That still goes along with the two timeline theory though, right?

I'm just not there yet.  Does the fact that Bernard has been in that basement before with Delores hurt the two timeline theory? 

 
So question...

Board lady was getting her freak on with bot dude

We know these bots have blood. Do they have other fluids? Do they finish?

 
I'm just not there yet.  Does the fact that Bernard has been in that basement before with Delores hurt the two timeline theory? 
Not in my opinion

I don't think those are linear anyway. Bernard isn't wearing the same clothes sometimes in scenes directly after talking to Dolores.

 
Only hangup for me, the bots in William's timeline seem pretty advanced, no?  Ford says earlier of the earlier robot versions that 'a handshake would give them away'.  I'm probably still on team William=MIB, but not 100%. 

Then of course, the landscape that Delores drew, then saw with William - seems to imply she had already been out there in a previous memory.

 
Only hangup for me, the bots in William's timeline seem pretty advanced, no?  Ford says earlier of the earlier robot versions that 'a handshake would give them away'.  I'm probably still on team William=MIB, but not 100%. 

Then of course, the landscape that Delores drew, then saw with William - seems to imply she had already been out there in a previous memory.
I think delores has been there before, yes. 

 
William didn't have to necessarily come in when the bots were in the original form. Just because we know there is a period where the park started it doesn't mean that's when he was there. 

 
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So question...

Board lady was getting her freak on with bot dude

We know these bots have blood. Do they have other fluids? Do they finish?
I would assume so. If the female bots don't have some way to lubricate, spending time with them would be rough on the male guests. No astroglide  in the 1800's.

Spin off question: How far would the world wide marriage rate plummet if sex robots of this caliber actually existed.The male-female balance of social power in our society would completely change. 

 
Only hangup for me, the bots in William's timeline seem pretty advanced, no?  Ford says earlier of the earlier robot versions that 'a handshake would give them away'.  I'm probably still on team William=MIB, but not 100%. 

Then of course, the landscape that Delores drew, then saw with William - seems to imply she had already been out there in a previous memory.
Seems like the Ford family of hosts deals with that objection.  They look as realistic as any of the other hosts, but are mechanically engineered as opposed to fabricated using biological components.  We know the MiB has cut open a Host from that era, because he talks about it. 

 
Btw , the Asian bot beating up the hooker bot. I'm pretty sure is Tommie from the awesome movie Best of the Best with Eric Roberts

 
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