El Floppo
Footballguy
what if the bot costs a billion trillion zillion dollars? can just hire cartoon cats for like 40k/year to do the same thing.
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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
The more I think about this episode the more I get confused. I don't know if that is good or bad.
El Floppo
Footballguy
huh... he has that flashback- but when she calls him from the scooby-doo set, they show him back at the command/dorm. yeah- that is confusing... whether it's intentionally done with editing to #### with the timeline or not.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Meh, they're 3D printing them... can't cost that much with the process refined to the point they're showing us.
The Gator
Footballguy
This is what had me confused, not that Ford would have Bernard 'off her'(or at least restrain her).
There are TWO Bernards.
pantherclub
Footballguy
This show confuses the #### out of me
The Gator
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
You know.... follow me here.This is what had me confused, not that Ford would have Bernard 'off her'(or at least restrain her).
There are TWO Bernards.
Ford has what amounts to God-like power over the hosts. He doesn't even need a computer terminal or Westworld-era Ipad to program a host to do something. So he clearly has more power within the world than anyone does.
He also, I've assumed in posts after last week, that he can "see" and "hear" everything a host is exposed to - the guy that was getting humped by the chick from the board. She turned the guy off she assumed, but I am thinking that Ford can still see and hear everything in that room because the bot was there.
And, we also know that the hosts can't see anything that would harm them - the picture, other things.... etc. etc.
Finally, the assumption throughout the reddit type detective work on this show is that there is some fight to get to a higher level of consciousness. Whether it be for the hosts or humans or both.
So, with all of that as backdrop - I don't think there are two Bernards. But, is it possible that Bernard - or, in another way Bernards consciousness, can be transferred into any other host that Ford wants it be transferred into. Bernard wouldn't see the new body because it would confuse him too much so he always sees his aging black man's body, but Ford can move him (or for that matter any other host he wants) into any other body. We already know they can reprogram them into new roles, so this is just the next step.
And if that can be done, then frankly, it's entirely possible that everyone is a host - or that Ford wants to make anyone a host and be able to transfer his consciousness into anyone else and live forever and be God. And answer the consciousness question that is the question mark at the top of the pyramid - what is consciousness?
The Gator
Footballguy
This has recently been proven false as he had no idea what happened to the bot boy's dog. He had to bring the boy back and analyse him to find out he wasn't being honest. That could just be the issue with the older bots like those off the grid ones, but then that begs the question; who are the new bots he has more power over and who are the old ones that he doesn't?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
Pretty sure. The head shot isn't completely convincing, but they made a point to show her boots and black pants for a second also.
I paused the DVR on this scene and it didn't really look like her to me. That said, her face is kind of contorted (as she's choking) so it could have just been the facial expressions throwing me off.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So we have Delores where "now"? Following the samr path she went down with William 30 years ago? But it looks like when with William she is time hopping too. Crazy.
Last night's time hops established at least a 3rd timeline. Wherever she is today, it that is where MiB and Teddy are heading.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
Do we know yet that MiB/Teddy and Maeve/Ford are different?
@Leeroy Jenkins: I was referring to Dolores' flashback to the earlier events in that village, which she had in the Dolores/William timeline.
The Gator
Footballguy
No, it's just a guess that's probably wrong. Ford has sat down with MiB and Teddy since their trip has taken off, so they're either current or that encounter was very recent.
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Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I really like this show, and it confuses the heck out of me. I think it's just much easier to go with the flow and let them reveal what they will (e.g. Bernie Bot).
however, there's still a ton of suspending disbelief. I mean in addition to the carnage that happens to the hosts, the buildings/trains/scenery/etc must get shot up every day. so are we really to believe there's a team of guys with spackle & paint out there patching up bullet holes every night? for now, I'm just kinda chalking it up to "that's the way it works..."
however, there's still a ton of suspending disbelief. I mean in addition to the carnage that happens to the hosts, the buildings/trains/scenery/etc must get shot up every day. so are we really to believe there's a team of guys with spackle & paint out there patching up bullet holes every night? for now, I'm just kinda chalking it up to "that's the way it works..."
tommyboy
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
I think the not Ford is creating is to replace Elsie.
The Gator
Footballguy
You saw it when Ford was talking to Bernard about setting up Westworld with Arnold.
So in this episode, that was a Dolores flashback to before the park was open I believe
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Capella
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I didnt like how bernard seemed more robotic after the memory erase. The security guy is suspicious, but only because bernard had a change in personality.
culdeus
Footballguy
It's like every HBO show I can remember, 5 parallel plotlines. One awesome, two good, and two bad.you've literally done nothing but say how much you hate it.
It's worth it given there's nothing else on really.
culdeus
Footballguy
There are 4 awesome plot lines, but one bad one (these turrible lab techs). Your math is bad and you should feel bad.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I've never been a big Thandie Newtown fan, but after seeing her jugs so many times, I think she's growing on me...
RUSF18
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
TheMagus
Footballguy
So can someone give me a lesson on reddit? I've gone to reddit for the first time to read all the theories about this show. But I have no idea how to sift through all the stuff. Is there any way to only read new posts on one of the giant threads so you don't have to wade through things you have already read and just see the new responses?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah it makes absolutely no sense. I can see Felix kind of being being amused by the whole thing and seeing where it goes but then they play it like hes dumbfounded and scared the whole time.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
This has been my take since the first episode. The whole point of this show, and it was stated in Ford's dialogue in this episode, is that there is not "magical moment" of life and consciousness. We are in a way, all conscious, and perhaps, not conscious at all... at the existential level, it doesn't matter, except for the fact that WHILE IT IS HAPPENING, it does.
Life is no more than the acts and story of the life itself. Outside of that, it means nothing, it's "consciousness" and "feeling" are REAL during the experience, and at the same time, perhaps not real in the overall sense of the universe. Interwoven with this theory is the concept of evolution, something they've hit upon a few times in this series. Repetition gives way to mistakes, mistakes give way to change, to breaking the loops, to being forced to "think" about things in a new way. From organic matter, to single cell organisms to simple "creatures" to reptiles, fish, mammals through human "consciousness" - each step is different, and yet we are still all from the same cloth. At what point did "we" become "conscious" or in a way, have we always been (even if the earliest stages of consciousness might be, "ohh, light in that direction, this one cell organism gotta get a move on!") or on the flip side, still are not conscious at all, just fulfilling a number of very complex binary decision steps, providing the illusion of consciousness that does not truly, existentially, exist.
I'd ask if that all makes sense, but it's not supposed to. That's why it does.
Ford revisited this pretty heavily in his dialogue with Bernard this week too.
One theory I've seen is that Ford himself is an android that Arnold created with Ford eventually causing the demise of his creator. Bernard is going to repeat that loop with Ford.
Koya
Footballguy
As to the multiple time line theory, this might also come to the existential question of "does it matter" along with the concept of "time" itself.
For humans, we experience and understand time as a linear progression. Past, present, future. Beginning, Middle, End.
For the Robot's however, time is not linear. Their memories, the "past" never even existed... or can be changed, or reprogrammed, or remembered via glitch as if it's happening now... in a way, you can imaging that the complete experience of "life" for a robot can be "remembered" as if it all occurred at once (even if it may not have occurred at all).
FWIW, this parallels some in the scientific community who question whether or not time is indeed linear as we experience it, or if indeed, in the universal sense, time does not exist at all. Everything has happened and at the same time will happen... it is merely how we "experience" it as sentient (if not conscious) beings limited by our own sensory and cognitive perception and abilities.
While we can talk about plot holes and some silliness - which, honestly, I felt a bit more of in this episode, while simultaneously enjoying some of the better moments of the show also - the issues and questions that this show is tackling make for awesome TV, and better discussion about it. Unlike say, GoT, where the debate revolves around what will happen to who and whom and what does that mean for the story, WW makes us wonder what will happen to who and whom and what does that mean for us, as humans, in an existential sense.
To me, that's an awesome leap.
For humans, we experience and understand time as a linear progression. Past, present, future. Beginning, Middle, End.
For the Robot's however, time is not linear. Their memories, the "past" never even existed... or can be changed, or reprogrammed, or remembered via glitch as if it's happening now... in a way, you can imaging that the complete experience of "life" for a robot can be "remembered" as if it all occurred at once (even if it may not have occurred at all).
FWIW, this parallels some in the scientific community who question whether or not time is indeed linear as we experience it, or if indeed, in the universal sense, time does not exist at all. Everything has happened and at the same time will happen... it is merely how we "experience" it as sentient (if not conscious) beings limited by our own sensory and cognitive perception and abilities.
While we can talk about plot holes and some silliness - which, honestly, I felt a bit more of in this episode, while simultaneously enjoying some of the better moments of the show also - the issues and questions that this show is tackling make for awesome TV, and better discussion about it. Unlike say, GoT, where the debate revolves around what will happen to who and whom and what does that mean for the story, WW makes us wonder what will happen to who and whom and what does that mean for us, as humans, in an existential sense.
To me, that's an awesome leap.
