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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)

pantherclub said:
I get that and I am not saying its a bad show just that I hope they dont go to the same well of twists and turns and timelines etc as last season.  To me it would just get old.  I am still going to watch it regardless.
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I see your point and if it keeps up for another season or two then yes I think it'll get old.  You should check out Person of Interest if you haven't already.  It's another Nolan TV show that doesn't have all the twists and particularly time manipulation, i really enjoyed it.

 
packersfan said:
Based on Bernard's vision, it looks like there's another timeline possibly coming at some point this season besides the three shown in the first episode.
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So I haven’t read through here much. What are the 3 timelines?

Bernard underground

Bernard + 11 days

and?

 
bigmarc27 said:
So I haven’t read through here much. What are the 3 timelines?

Bernard underground

Bernard + 11 days

and?
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So Packersfan's post reminded me of the third one.

  1. The one with the board chick, right after S1 finale.
  2. The one where he's riding around with ugly Hemsworth and finds all the hosts bodies
  3. The one where he's talking to Dolores about the dream he had of them all leaving him behind.
 
bigmarc27 said:
Ahhh ok, so I actually didn’t take that to be a separate timeline. I just assumed that was a Bernarnold flashback like from season one. 
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It could've been a flashback but that's still a third timeline since it isn't Bernard-Hale from 11 days ago or Bernard-OtherHemsworth-New Guy from the present day timeline (or what we think is present day)

 
From the Park ToS:

By entering the Delos Destinations Port of Entry, you acknowledge that Delos, Inc. controls the rights to and remains the sole owner of, in perpetuity: all skin cells, bodily fluids, secretions, excretions, hair samples, saliva, sweat, blood, and any other bodily functions not listed here. Delos, Inc. reserves the right to use this property in any way, shape, or form in which the entity sees fit.

 
Solid first episode - which for this show means great TV. My guess is it starts off "straightforward" only to pick up the steam of confusion as we move forward. 

I realized a key underlying point though last night which maybe we've discussed but I don't recall.

queations like:

1. Is it murder to kill a robot? I mean, it's jus following code and instructions.

2. As such, and as just mentioned, you can't hold a robot accountable for its actions (they can't commit crimes).

Two poignant lines from this week from Delores (paraphrased)

1. Talking something to the effect of humans control and/or use those species that they believe are under them, less intelligent, etc.  This behavior can be seen as anything from our dominion over animals to justification of slavery to the dehumanization that leads to atrocities like the Holocaust (what matter if we only kill animals, sub humans,... robots?)

2. The bottom driver of all human behavior is the will to survive, the ability to cross nearly any line to love.

Well, the underlying existential battle here is "what is real" but also "what is life" (what is real is that which can't be taken away was another great line).

So, the idea is you can't kill a robot - it's not alive, just reading code. And the little boy (an early rendition of the host boys) that was killed seemed to be an old enough version to not come close to consciousness.

As the robots evolve, as we see now, have they or will they cross the line into sentient beings? Meaning, would it then be immoral for them to be killed and, furthermore, could they even overcome Humans to become a "higher level of being"

MY POINT and, imo, the true underlying thesis behind Westworld.

We are no different than the robots. In facts, we ARE merely robots, albeit those built of flesh and blood. To my first points, we are programmed to react to certain situations and stimuli in the same way, bound by a desire to control those that are lower which in turn ties into our underlying drive to survive. Above all else, morality be damned.

Just like Delores in her new state of consciousness.

So let me ask again... is it ok to kill a robot? And what is the culpability for a robot for acting according to how it was programmed?

Because if we are no different than the robots, just a sentient and higher level of intellect version of one, the questions we ask and the judgements we make about Delores et al are 100% mappable to the same questions about we as humans, our behavior, our morality/morality in general  (if it even exists) and our culpability for living according to the hardwired programming that is our brain. 

 
Koya said:
Solid first episode - which for this show means great TV. My guess is it starts off "straightforward" only to pick up the steam of confusion as we move forward. 

I realized a key underlying point though last night which maybe we've discussed but I don't recall.

queations like:

1. Is it murder to kill a robot? I mean, it's jus following code and instructions.

2. As such, and as just mentioned, you can't hold a robot accountable for its actions (they can't commit crimes).

Two poignant lines from this week from Delores (paraphrased)

1. Talking something to the effect of humans control and/or use those species that they believe are under them, less intelligent, etc.  This behavior can be seen as anything from our dominion over animals to justification of slavery to the dehumanization that leads to atrocities like the Holocaust (what matter if we only kill animals, sub humans,... robots?)

2. The bottom driver of all human behavior is the will to survive, the ability to cross nearly any line to love.

Well, the underlying existential battle here is "what is real" but also "what is life" (what is real is that which can't be taken away was another great line).

So, the idea is you can't kill a robot - it's not alive, just reading code. And the little boy (an early rendition of the host boys) that was killed seemed to be an old enough version to not come close to consciousness.

As the robots evolve, as we see now, have they or will they cross the line into sentient beings? Meaning, would it then be immoral for them to be killed and, furthermore, could they even overcome Humans to become a "higher level of being"

MY POINT and, imo, the true underlying thesis behind Westworld.

We are no different than the robots. In facts, we ARE merely robots, albeit those built of flesh and blood. To my first points, we are programmed to react to certain situations and stimuli in the same way, bound by a desire to control those that are lower which in turn ties into our underlying drive to survive. Above all else, morality be damned.

Just like Delores in her new state of consciousness.

So let me ask again... is it ok to kill a robot? And what is the culpability for a robot for acting according to how it was programmed?

Because if we are no different than the robots, just a sentient and higher level of intellect version of one, the questions we ask and the judgements we make about Delores et al are 100% mappable to the same questions about we as humans, our behavior, our morality/morality in general  (if it even exists) and our culpability for living according to the hardwired programming that is our brain. 
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Slippery slope. I mean where do flesh lights fall in the mix here?

 
munga30 said:
From the Park ToS:

By entering the Delos Destinations Port of Entry, you acknowledge that Delos, Inc. controls the rights to and remains the sole owner of, in perpetuity: all skin cells, bodily fluids, secretions, excretions, hair samples, saliva, sweat, blood, and any other bodily functions not listed here. Delos, Inc. reserves the right to use this property in any way, shape, or form in which the entity sees fit.
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This is a family website.

 
shuke said:
So what is going on underground with Bernard and the hot chick?  What were those storm trooper things doing?  She said something about taking DNA from guests, but the body on the table was obviously a host.
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Delos was taking semen etc from the hosts and matching it up with guests to have a record of what the guests activity was all about so as to use for future blackmail/leverage

 
Bernard was leaking out of his ear. Was that what the liquid injection was? Only watched once, need to see the episode again. I love a show that requires some work. Plenty of those that dont.

 
jamny said:
Bernard was leaking out of his ear. Was that what the liquid injection was? Only watched once, need to see the episode again. I love a show that requires some work. Plenty of those that dont.
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They showed a couple hosts being opened up last night, their main processor is protected in some clear liquid in a container in their head.  

 
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bigmarc27 said:
So I haven’t read through here much. What are the 3 timelines?

Bernard underground

Bernard + 11 days

and?
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The use of the term “timeline” was confusing to me in this thread the first season. For me, it’s just one linear timeline that the show bounces around in, past and present, with flashbacks. It works for this show, because robots don’t age, so the viewer can’t always easily know when an event is taking place, like Delores/Wyatt massacre last season. When someone talks about separate timelines, to me that implies some form of time travel, which creates two different versions of time.  That’s not happening in this show. 

 
I guess that could have been some deception and she really didn’t shoot the guy (or shot him to put him out of his misery). But, constant deception is going to get old quick. 

 
Kanil said:
I think the interview Bernard was in the past (if I remember right, he had the same conversation with Dolores in S1).  The other stuff I'm fairly certain it's all the same Bernard.  Both when he's with the chick from the board and when he's with the ugly Hemsworth, he had the twitch going on with his hand.  Bernard stuff with the board chick is 2 weeks prior to the stuff with UglyHemsworth.
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Maybe, but the dream that Bernard described was basically the final scene in of episode. Something along the lines of: he was in the ocean and he was left behind by all of the hosts. It's possible that this was a memory rather than a dream, which we've seen to be the case regarding host's dreams from last season. 

Also, after rewatching the episode, it seems like Dolores is interviewing Bernard. Not the other way around.  

 
Floki needs more screen time.

so it looks like Bernie killed that big group of hosts (i.e. the floaters) with his update, which included Teddy. but I doubt Maeve or Delores were affected because they're 'special'. do we think there are any other hosts still alive after the purge?

ETA: duh, of course there are because they killed some on the beach when they found Bernie.

 
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Maik Jeaunz said:
Floki needs more screen time.

so it looks like Bernie killed that big group of hosts (i.e. the floaters) with his update, which included Teddy. but I doubt Maeve or Delores were affected because they're 'special'. do we think there are any other hosts still alive after the purge?

ETA: duh, of course there are because they killed some on the beach when they found Bernie.
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I didn’t realize that final shot of the floating bodies included Teddy, but I guess I should have.

 
Maik Jeaunz said:
Floki needs more screen time.

so it looks like Bernie killed that big group of hosts (i.e. the floaters) with his update, which included Teddy. but I doubt Maeve or Delores were affected because they're 'special'. do we think there are any other hosts still alive after the purge?

ETA: duh, of course there are because they killed some on the beach when they found Bernie.
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Am I supposed to know why they ended up in the lake.  If this is due to skimming please tag gator in your response.

 
the moops said:
How exactly did Bernard kill all of them? When did he push the update you speak of?
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Am I supposed to know why they ended up in the lake.  If this is due to skimming please tag gator in your response. @culdeus
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They were surprised to find the sea/lake/water there (wasn't on their map).  It appears he was terraforming and dropped them all under water.

 
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