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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Maybe the man in black is looking to be immortal. Who knows what this maze & game he is searching for.
I am kinda a subscriber to that theory after thinking about it that the dude is him 30 years ago. He's the most central to the plot at this point, so I think they could be giving the background while giving us realtime too.
I am kinda a subscriber to that theory after thinking about it that the dude is him 30 years ago. He's the most central to the plot at this point, so I think they could be giving the background while giving us realtime too.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Right -- I am saying that the civil war thing does not look like evidence of different times.
Well rewatched both episodes. Could go either way on the theory - nothing really that proves or disproves it. I lean not MIB
MIB did refer to himself as an old friend of Dolores. But, there was a scene about 22 minutes in, where William first saw Dolores - right after that she saw herself in a window, and appeared to have a memory incident. The Civil War characters also seem to be in Williams and MIBs story lines.
MIB did refer to himself as an old friend of Dolores. But, there was a scene about 22 minutes in, where William first saw Dolores - right after that she saw herself in a window, and appeared to have a memory incident. The Civil War characters also seem to be in Williams and MIBs story lines.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The livestock cold storage floor does appear to be the entrace for William in episode 2 -- escalators and globe.
No globe when William arrived, and the escalators had two sets of stairs on either side. Not the same place as the cold storage floor scene from episode 1.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Alright, so, about that theory... I'll put it in a spoiler box:
I mention upthread that the logo was different for William when he got to WW. The one he had was a kind of \V looking logo. This is different than the logo on the title credits of the show which looks like \W/. I haven't noticed the \W/ logo actually in the show, but it might be, so keep your eyes open. Anyways, there was a promo shot released for the scene where William is picking out his gun, and in the background it is the \W/ logo. But what actually aired was the \V logo. Here is a pic: http://i.imgur.com/cZ7qlUV.png I bet if we look for the \W/ logo it is around somewhere, probably in a scene not involving William.
Second picture: http://i.imgur.com/yKpTuiM.jpg On the left is the train William arrives on in epi2. On the right, the train Teddy arrives on. Notice how much more crowded it is for Teddy's arrival. What's neat is that the folks in the original picture are all still there in about the same spots, there are just many more people.
I know the working theory is that the MiB is William 30 years later, but I don't know if I subscribe to that. I do believe that they are showing us trips to the park happening at distinctly different times, and that William's visit is in the past.
I actually suspect that the Teddy character is based upon William. They both bump into that guy as they get off the train. They both pick up the condensed milk for Delores. Teddy plays the good guy, that seems to be what William is doing.
It's just a theory, but I think I'm headed in the correct direction with it.
Update: You can see the \W/ logo present when the content guy is presenting his new indian war story line: https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/westworld-logo-2.png?w=620&h=348&crop=1
I'm damn near certain we're seeing 2 stories from two different times at once.
Second picture: http://i.imgur.com/yKpTuiM.jpg On the left is the train William arrives on in epi2. On the right, the train Teddy arrives on. Notice how much more crowded it is for Teddy's arrival. What's neat is that the folks in the original picture are all still there in about the same spots, there are just many more people.
I know the working theory is that the MiB is William 30 years later, but I don't know if I subscribe to that. I do believe that they are showing us trips to the park happening at distinctly different times, and that William's visit is in the past.
I actually suspect that the Teddy character is based upon William. They both bump into that guy as they get off the train. They both pick up the condensed milk for Delores. Teddy plays the good guy, that seems to be what William is doing.
It's just a theory, but I think I'm headed in the correct direction with it.
Update: You can see the \W/ logo present when the content guy is presenting his new indian war story line: https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/westworld-logo-2.png?w=620&h=348&crop=1
I'm damn near certain we're seeing 2 stories from two different times at once.
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Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I like the theory a lot. Who knows if it comes to fruition, but if it's true it's a really cool way to do something most shows do but in a more inventive way.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What was the cause for delaying the show? Re-writes and re-shoots?
GregR
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That was creepy
belljr
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I don't remember the bolded- was that last night or another episode? but yeah- the whole thing is a fantastically written time-line mind ####.
the wyatt crew at the end- teddy couldn't shoot them, so they're guests? or is the tech going awry?
also seems like the phone call with the wife and discussion about the son is leading the viewer away from thinking jeffrey wright is a bot. but outside of that, both he and the hunter guy seem like they could be, IMO. maybe programmed/created by Arnold?
speaking of Arnold- I wasn't paying attention... I thought they showed a picture of Arnold- but it looked like a young Anthony Hopkins. or was that a picture of a young anthony hopkins?
I still think he is a bot - based on how he interacts with Ford - and how Ford seems to give him instructions the way he would a bot, plus how the female manager seems to use him as a sex toy. The call to his wife (interesting side note about how hard it is to get a line out) and the story line with his son - both seem to be leading away from the bot storyline, but then both could be planted memories. The part I could not figure out - his interactions with Delores - if he is a bot, he is on another level than Delores - maybe the distinction is as simple as his memory is not wiped every day (or Occam's Razor is that he is human). But, he seems to understand what he is doing is "wrong" yet he continues - which could still be very much an AI trait learned by a bot. The fact that he senses something "different" about Delores perhaps just means he wants her to help him find a way out of the matrix.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I agree with all of this... and yeah- if he is a bot, his interatcions with Delores are even more interesting.
and did I really miss stuff last night? when was j wright interacting with Arnold? have we even seen Arnold? or did you mean Ford?
eta; and without thinking it through... any chance MIB could be Arnold? why the staff give him so much lee-way...
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The Gator
Footballguy
Re - MIB and Delores
I just pulled it up - the scene was at the very end. Bad guy drags Delores into the barn, where she finds the gun - as she struggles to pull the trigger, the scene morphs into MIB standing in front of her - he says: "Why don't we reacquaint ourselves Delores. Start at the beginning."
MIB then steps forward, Delores shoots, and the scene morphs back into Delores shooting the bad guy, then riding off - later to end up in William's campsite.
ETA - I don't know if they are just trying to show Delores with a "memory" and wishing she had a gun to shoot the MIB, or if it is just a memory trigger to get her to pull the literal trigger - or something else altogether.
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What still seems off - if you accept that William is on a different timeline - is why would Delores run to his camp ~30 years ago?
It seems that the only reason she is alone is because Teddy was sent off on a new narrative - seemingly in the current timeline. But, I suppose the scene could have played out similarly - minus the gun - in a past timeline, if Teddy was not around at all, and only introduced as a character after the interaction with William.
It seems that the only reason she is alone is because Teddy was sent off on a new narrative - seemingly in the current timeline. But, I suppose the scene could have played out similarly - minus the gun - in a past timeline, if Teddy was not around at all, and only introduced as a character after the interaction with William.
I seem to recall something in a previous episode where he mentioned "how much he has paid" over the years - could be figuratively of course.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Gotta go back and watch all of the Dolores loops to see whether we can pinpoint timelines. To me, it seems like the end of last night was in the present, as she saw what appeared to be a flashback of Ed Harris before shooting the other host. The fact that she then stumbled into Williams camp afterwards seems to go against the 2 time line theories.
Did they show her father's face when she left the barn and found him dead? If it's the same dude that replaced her first father when he went haywire in the previous episode, that would seem to support 1 timelines as well.
Gonna have to back and watch parts of the first 3 episodes to confirm some details
Did they show her father's face when she left the barn and found him dead? If it's the same dude that replaced her first father when he went haywire in the previous episode, that would seem to support 1 timelines as well.
Gonna have to back and watch parts of the first 3 episodes to confirm some details
El Floppo
Footballguy
I saw that whole scene as Delores "remembering" with literal flash/play-backs in the moment... and so avoiding the usual shot/rape/torture loop she's written into. as such, she's remembering MIB attacking her in Ep1 and using that memory as impetus to pull the trigger (and run from the blond guy on the porch before he shoots her in the gut).
Could be. That then leads to the second question - assuming that Delores is in the current time frame - she then ends up in William's camp - so unless we are adding time travel, that would seem to put William in the current timeline - or there is something else that drove Delores to William (in his timeline) that we have not seen yet.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
When she ran up to her dad and then was "Captured" it showed her looking down at her dad, and the face morphing from new dad to old dad - seemingly showing a memory for Delores.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
There is the whole her finding the buried gun, then seeing it in her drawer, and then it disappeared from the drawer thing.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yes, but previously she found a gun that was buried. This may all be being shown out of order though.i thought the gun in the haystack she pulled off the host she killed as he threw her
I thought he looked down at his holster
Quint
Footballguy
agreed.i thought the gun in the haystack she pulled off the host she killed as he threw her
I thought he looked down at his holster
and didn't the bad guy say something along the lines of "...[Teddy?] taught you a few things?"
El Floppo
Footballguy
it was confusing- because of the found gun in the drawer thing earlier... but yeah, I saw it the same: she took the gun off the guy in the barn.i thought the gun in the haystack she pulled off the host she killed as he threw her
I thought he looked down at his holster
The Gator
Footballguy
This was a transition in timelines. When she looks down and it's not there she leaves and is in Williams timeline.
iThink
belljr
Footballguy
Yes and earlier she couldn't pull the trigger because she is not programmed. Then her flashback of MIB in the barn put her over the edge so she "learned"
They also changed Teddy's story a little to add his hunting of that guy.
IMO, after last night I don't think they will be able to establish that there are two timelines, at least in a way I'd find satisfying.
(HULK)
(Smash)
(HULK)
(Smash)
Personally, I think the gun she dug up is the gun she stole from the bandit and killed him with. Then she buried it afterwards. At some point later, she dug it up.
We're being shown all of this out of order. If there is one thing the Nolans love to mess with, its timelines. Always.
The Gator
Footballguy
I think it was going back and forth.
Ford gave Teddy his backstory so he would not be there to help Deloris and knew it would trigger this memory. The face of her dad was the new guy, then glitched to Abernathy(another memory). I think her getting shot was a memory of this happening before, then they show her not shot and riding off and it's assumed that she rode to William in the current story line. It felt like her arriving at the campsite was in the past story line of her getting shot because of the way she got off the horse and stumbled to the men.
But maybe not
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(HULK)
(Smash)
I'm putting my foot down on this... the two logos establish 2 separate timelines:
Timeline \V: William's trip. Delores in the park already then, but not Teddy. Also young Ford and Arnold possibly still alive.
Timeline \W/: Old Ford, Wyatt storyline addition, reveries bug, stray guy, cold storage, violent delights, etc.
Timeline \V: William's trip. Delores in the park already then, but not Teddy. Also young Ford and Arnold possibly still alive.
Timeline \W/: Old Ford, Wyatt storyline addition, reveries bug, stray guy, cold storage, violent delights, etc.
Quint
Footballguy
Or maybe she had been programmed previously to be able to pull a trigger, but was then re-programmed at a later date? (she is the "oldest" host at the park, right?)
The trauma of the flashback w MIB caused her to revert to behavior the park operators thought was erased?
