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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)

BTW, I was pretty lukewarm on Season 1 and didn't really find the story line and major themes to be anywhere near as compelling as others. But the second episode was probably my favorite of the series just because it gave so much of a glimpse of the world outside the park, whenever and wherever it was taking place.

 
There's only one timeline; they just show various points on it at different times, often out of order


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Definition of time looping:

A time loop or temporal loop is a plot device in which periods of time are repeated and re-experienced by the characters, and there is often some hope of breaking out of the cycle of repetition.

HTH
 
Definition of time looping:

A time loop or temporal loop is a plot device in which periods of time are repeated and re-experienced by the characters, and there is often some hope of breaking out of the cycle of repetition.

HTH
Not sure I see your point

I was commenting on the absurd use of "

timelines".  Moreover, not sure they are using time looping either.  They are jumping around in time and telling the story out of order.
 
Not sure I see your point

I was commenting on the absurd use of "

timelines".  Moreover, not sure they are using time looping either.  They are jumping around in time and telling the story out of order.
Didn't say timelines...

Also, you mean like time looping? When a character relives experiences from different periods of time...

 
I do think someone probably had to ask themselves between S1 and S2, "How do we keep people engaged if the robots are the good guys?"  

Thus this nefarious DNA/blackmail plot thing was born.  

Honestly, I'm not sure what the end game here is for the robots.  It's sort of like walking dead.  Everyone is infected and is already a zombie, they just haven't turned yet.  There's no populating the world with zombie free blood, just as there is no way to populate the world with robots. Once their power is cut, they are RIP.  

I guess the suspended belief we have to have is that we are supposed to think Delos has some reason to keep all these robots alive to extract something from them.

 
Well to be fair they only really planned for one season. 
Really? Huh... I would not have guessed. Seemed they have been playing the long game the whole time. Like the whole 'game within the game' with the old guy in black. That certainly did not wrap up in S1. 

 
Two episodes in to the new season and I’m really not smart enough to follow this show. I went to a state school fam. 

 
I was lukewarm on the first season but find myself enjoying the second season much more so far. Even though there are different timelines, it seems to serve a narrative/storytelling purpose rather than just being there to mess with the audience. 

 
I remember hearing before it started that the budget for the show was astronomical. I'd be very surprised if they ever intended for it to be a one and done, pending a complete failure to deliver of course (which seemed like it almost happened). Also remember it being talked up as HBO's eventual flagship show to replace GoT.

 
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I remember hearing before it started that the budget for the show was astronomical. I'd be very surprised if they ever intended for it to be a one and done, pending a complete failure to deliver of course (which seemed like it almost happened). Also remember it being talked up as HBO's eventual flagship show to replace GoT.
The history I remember was they shot a pilot episode, then another one, HBO sat on it for a while, then they started shooting with like 5 different storyboard angles dependent on whether Hopkins would be in the subsequent seasons or not and to what extent it would feature him.  Once they started shooting the post-pilot episodes (I think some insane delay here, like years) they still weren't sure HBO would buy a S3, but probably a S2. 

I don't think this is unlike HBO, at all. I mean the wire had a completely wild S2 that had nothing to do for the most part with the overall story arc while they figured out where the main plot would go.  For HBO shows S3 are usually the best material, and you just sort of have S2 as a setup to that.   I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule, but I'm struggling to come up with some right now.  

 
The history I remember was they shot a pilot episode, then another one, HBO sat on it for a while, then they started shooting with like 5 different storyboard angles dependent on whether Hopkins would be in the subsequent seasons or not and to what extent it would feature him.  Once they started shooting the post-pilot episodes (I think some insane delay here, like years) they still weren't sure HBO would buy a S3, but probably a S2. 

I don't think this is unlike HBO, at all. I mean the wire had a completely wild S2 that had nothing to do for the most part with the overall story arc while they figured out where the main plot would go.  For HBO shows S3 are usually the best material, and you just sort of have S2 as a setup to that.   I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule, but I'm struggling to come up with some right now.  
You know more of the history than me, but even still, making the original comment of "they didn't plan for more than one season" based on that seems like a stretch. Or at least, most people would read that and think the writers didn't have a story arc for beyond S1 or viewed it as a one and done, which I'm sure wasn't the case. 

 
You know more of the history than me, but even still, making the original comment of "they didn't plan for more than one season" based on that seems like a stretch. Or at least, most people would read that and think the writers didn't have a story arc for beyond S1 or viewed it as a one and done, which I'm sure wasn't the case. 
No, they absolutely had a gameplan for a single season.  Once they got Hopkins to commit to at least EP for subsequent seasons they extended it.  

 
Just watched the first two episodes - I’m kinda meh on it. You really have to turn a blind eye to everything to go along with this. For starters, 100’s of extremely affluent & prominent people are now dead (missing to those in the real world) - there isn’t an army (I mean an actual army with 10’s if not 100’s of thousands soldiers) lighting this place up? Oh, “they don’t know what is happening” bc someone is trying to protect IP, come on! 

I mean that’s just for starters. Time looping to me is always used when you’re trying to mind-#### someone bc connecting all the dots is impossible. 

I guess I watch bc I’m entertained. I’m personally of a Sky-Net mindset... I think AI, along with robots will be the undoing of the human race - the faster we move technology, the quicker we push the clock.
It's been less than two weeks and Delos has a paramilitary team on the island as a result.

 
So I watched the discussion between MiB and Lawrence again. I really think it's a pivotal scene that reveals a lot but is tough to decipher now. But it did make me think about how William got to this point. He shows Dolores the machine building whatever it is, that Dolores calls "a weapon" later on. Between that and when he is the MiB, wanting to burn the whole place to the ground, his wife commits suicide and his daughter blames him for it. What did he do that he now clearly regrets. I don't know if it's cloning or uploading your brain to put into hosts, but something went very wrong. Logan seems to know at the retirement party, another great telling conversation between him and Dolores.

Can't wait for Ep3!

 
FWIW that actress is Talulah Riley, twice married to and twice divorced from Elon Musk. 
I'm fairly certain Musk built her, then when things didn't go well he scrapped the idea and claimed they got "divorced." Version 2 is the one we know now as "Talulah Riley." Prove me wrong.

 
Seems like there are still a lot of unknowns, because every week they have been disclosing more, and it seems like we are no closer to seeing the bigger picture. 

 
Delores is a force to be reckoned with.  If every episode was like that we are talking GOT type show level, that was awesome.

 
The beginning had my mind moving back and forth.  Exceptionally well acted and written, for sure.  The passion and violence of the encounter between the two characters was well done.  But the woman..... I could have sworn she was a young Theresa Cullen for almost the entirety of the scene until the Tiger came out and chased her to the water.  She had all the same mannerisms and looked just like her.  

Unless she was a host, and the Theresa that we saw in the first season was one as well.  Which makes me really question the entirety of reality in this show even more.  Which is awesome.

I am loving the Christian / religious undertones of everything.  I think it might be some of the best work there I've ever seen.  Then I think, maybe I'm the only one seeing this?  Then I think, nah, can't be.  It's rather obvious.  Isn't it?  I think?  I don't know.  

Is it possible that what we are seeing this season is actually the critical failure from 30 years ago somehow?  I'm losing my mind and enjoying the ride.

 
I keep refreshing the thread hoping someone will post a bunch of stuff I missed, lol:

This episode was all one "timeline" filling in the two weeks before Bernard wakes up on the beach?

Is Deloris really conscious or is she just running the Wyatt narrative? 

Charlotte gets Pete and his 35 years of code out for Delios, or someone else?

What's the new symbol mean?

The new lady from Raj World, MIB's daughter?

 
I don't think this is unlike HBO, at all. I mean the wire had a completely wild S2 that had nothing to do for the most part with the overall story arc while they figured out where the main plot would go.  For HBO shows S3 are usually the best material, and you just sort of have S2 as a setup to that.   I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule, but I'm struggling to come up with some right now.  
The Wire doing the docks in season 2 was completely intentional.  I’m reading the new book about the Wire and they actually talk about how they used season 2 to establish that the show was bigger than the usual cops vs criminals show, that it’s about a bigger story. Simon making season two about the docks made a lot of people angry, including the cast who disliked him going from a primarily African American led story to a bunch of white dock workers. It was the story he needed to tell. 

The book is worth a read if you love the Wire. 

https://www.amazon.com/All-Pieces-Matter-Inside-Story/dp/0451498143

 
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So the new theory on the Ghost nation which I immediately thought “that makes a ton of sense.”  People are saying Ghost Nation is there to protect humans. That’s why Stubbs is still around, that’s why they wanted Lee, and that may be why the tiger lady could still be alive. 

My take: would kind of be a funny twist to have Native Americans saving the white man. 

 
So the new theory on the Ghost nation which I immediately thought “that makes a ton of sense.”  People are saying Ghost Nation is there to protect humans. That’s why Stubbs is still around, that’s why they wanted Lee, and that may be why the tiger lady could still be alive. 

My take: would kind of be a funny twist to have Native Americans saving the white man. 
Ditto, like that theory.  Elsie from season 1 said they were easier to program and may have programmed them to protect humans if she is still alive.   Of course tiger lady is still alive.

 
FWIW, Futureworld, Westworld's sequel movie is about Delos cloning and then replacing world leaders.
 
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Someone refresh my recollection - did Delores know Bernard was a bot last season?  I can't remember if/how she learned about that.

 
Stubbs, the security guy and Elsie are both alive. I think Elsie lured Stubbs to her location and got the Ghost Nation, who didn't listen to commands, to capture him and bring him to her location. I think they will form some sort of resistance to the hosts.


So the new theory on the Ghost nation which I immediately thought “that makes a ton of sense.”  People are saying Ghost Nation is there to protect humans. That’s why Stubbs is still around, that’s why they wanted Lee, and that may be why the tiger lady could still be alive. 

My take: would kind of be a funny twist to have Native Americans saving the white man. 
Not exactly a new theory. ;)  I think once Stubbs made an appearance in Ep1 this season, it was very likely that Ghost Nation was on the human side somehow. I still think Elsie is still alive but I guess GN could be controlled a different way. They clearly tried to rescue Sizemore from Maeve this episode.

Solid episode!

I think Bernard might have uploaded the info from Abernathy to himself.

The woman chased by the tiger definitely had the mannerisms of Theresa but I don't see how that would make sense.

Need to watch it again.

 
Simon (from Walking Dead) was shot while yelling "Shoot a woman? Over my dead body" Meanwhile he was shown shooting the woman outside the barn.
Well, that question got answered. I thought it was funny when he chased after the woman attempting to help her.

 
Someone refresh my recollection - did Delores know Bernard was a bot last season?  I can't remember if/how she learned about that.
She did make it clear that she knew this episode but I can't think of a scene previously where she found out.

 
She did make it clear that she knew this episode but I can't think of a scene previously where she found out.
I believe it’s because she remembers killing Arnold.   That’s why in this episode she talked about Bernard not even knowing the man he was based on and wondering if any of the real Arnold was in him.  

 
Trying to avoid spoilers, but just started this show Sunday. 4 episodes in and LOVE it. Hope it holds up... 

 
I think Bernard might have uploaded the info from Abernathy to himself.
He clearly did something with the data - it was a one-time use decryption, and Charlotte obviously did not find what she was looking for in Abernathy after she grabbed him (She told Bernard she could not find Abernathy, before she asked Bernard where Abernathy could be...)

 
This is definitely a major unknown that is flying under the radar here. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think she isn't just running Ford's programming.
That would make Maeve the only one that is truly conscious since her programming was to "Infiltrate Mainland" and she went against it by leaving the train. I'm still going with Dolores being conscious too though, since Ford's final speech started with "It begins with the birth of a new people and the choices they have to make"  Obviously it could be all part of the Wyatt narrative but I'll stick with it being real. It's easier to comprehend that way. :D

 
I’m sure I missed this, but what was the point from Delores’ POV, of having the battle last episode. She goes in, tells the army that the enemy is coming, they fight and she leaves. What was the point of that from her?  Why spend two episodes recruiting an army just to let them die?  Why not just keep moving?

 
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