***OFFICIAL WIS XIV DRAFT THREAD*** (1 Viewer)

[RnR]

####, the commish anywhere to be seen? We should have at least one skip already.

Bout time there good buddy. With great power, comes great responsibility son.

You know how crazy mornings get at Krispy Kreme...

 

[Eephus]

I should be near a computer all day and I have Hoos pick.

bump

wills

 

[Greco]

DD just txt'd me.

Hoos First selects:

4. 16 Al Downing, SP

 

[Eephus]

04.17 - Greco I -

04.18 - RnR -

04.19 - Brady Phoenix -

04.20 - jfranco77 -

04.21 - Boug D -

04.22 - Eephus -

04.23 - Greco II -

04.24 - Doctor Detroit -

 

[Greco]

Greco I selects:

4.17 Derek Jeter, SS 1996

 

[Doctor Detroit]

####, the commish anywhere to be seen? We should have at least one skip already.

Bout time there good buddy. With great power, comes great responsibility son.

You know how crazy mornings get at Krispy Kreme...

 

[Brady Marino]

 

[Doug B]

We haven't done a whole lot of modern-era sims. How do modern players stack up with old timers in the sim?

They do fine so long as their numbers are good. Modern uber-elite starting pitchers and relievers are actually very strong in WIS.Batters are more of a mixed lot ... when comparing elites to elites, modern guys strike out a lot compared to guys from, say, pre WWII. Modern guys, collectively, trend toward more power and less average at the plate. But modern players generally field better.

 

[RnR]

4.18- Orel Hershiser (SP)

 

[RnR]

Player Draft Results

01.01 - Doctor Detroit - Russ Ford (SP)

01.02 - Greco II - Ichiro Suzuki (OF)

01.03 - Eephus - Ted Williams (OF)

01.04 - Boug D - Albert Pujols (3B)

01.05 - jfranco77 - Ed Reulbach (SP)

01.06 - Brady Phoenix - Fred Lynn (OF)

01.07 - RnR - **** Allen (3B)

01.08 - Greco I - Joe DiMaggio (OF)

01.09 - Hoos First - Jack Pfiester (SP)

01.10 - belljr - Tony Oliva (OF)

01.11 - shake zula - Al Rosen (3B)

01.12 - boubucarow - Carlton Fisk (CA)

01.13 - the_moops - Hal Trosky (1B)

01.14 - Notorious T.R.E. - Cy Blanton (SP)

01.15 - Sammy - Jimmy Williams (3B)

01.16 - Koya - Vean Gregg (SP)

01.17 - Sparty - Reb Russell (SP)

01.18 - Arsenal of Doom - Buster Posey (CA)

01.19 - SammyTRE Toupee - Dwight Gooden (SP)

01.20 - Tremendous Upside - Fernando Valenzuela (SP)

01.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Bernie Carbo (OF)

01.22 - Doug B - Paul Waner (OF)

01.23 - oso diablo - Minnie Minoso (3B/OF)

01.24 - Northern Voice - Rudy York (CA)

02.01 - Northern Voice - Joe Gordon (2B)

02.02 - oso diablo - Hanley Ramirez (SS)

02.03 - Doug B - Johnny Mize (1B)

02.04 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Addie Joss (SP)

02.05 - Tremendous Upside - Richie Ashburn (OF)

02.06 - SammyTRE Toupee - Frank Robinson (OF)

02.07 - Arsenal of Doom - Hideo Nomo (SP)

02.08 - Sparty - Harry Krause (SP)

02.09 - Koya - Dale Alexander (1B)

02.10 - Sammy - Gary Peters (SP)

02.11 - Notorious T.R.E. - Cliff Melton (SP)

02.12 - the_moops - Noodles Hahn (SP)

02.13 - boubucarow - Earle Combs (OF)

02.14 - shake zula - Wally Berger (OF)

02.15 - belljr - Walt Dropo (1B)

02.16 - Hoos First - Roy Thomas (OF)

02.17 - Greco I - Pete Alexander (SP)

02.18 - RnR - Frank Smith (SP)

02.19 - Brady Phoenix - Jeff Tesreau (SP)

02.20 - jfranco77 - Wilcy Moore (SP)

02.21 - Boug D - Ron Guidry (SP)

02.22 - Eephus - Wally Bunker (SP)

02.23 - Greco II - Babe Ruth (SP)

02.24 - Doctor Detroit - Frank Baker (3B)

03.01 - Doctor Detroit - Charlie Hollocher (SS)

03.02 - Greco II - Ryan Braun (3B)

03.03 - Eephus - Jim Turner (SP)

03.04 - Boug D - Stan Musial (OF)

03.05 - jfranco77 - Gary Carter (CA)

03.06 - Brady Phoenix - Johnny Pesky (SS)

03.07 - RnR - Don Sutton (SP)

03.08 - Greco I - Fred Glade (SP)

03.09 - Hoos First - Dave Righetti (SP)

03.10 - belljr - Pat Listach (2B/SS)

03.11 - shake zula - Stan Bahnsen (SP)

03.12 - boubucarow - Doc Ayers (SP)

03.13 - the_moops - Earl Averill (OF)

03.14 - Notorious T.R.E. - Troy Percival (RP)

03.15 - Sammy - Babe Adams (SP/RP)

03.16 - Koya - Ernie Shore (SP)

03.17 - Sparty - Bob Hamelin (1B)

03.18 - Arsenal of Doom - Zeke Bonura (1B)

03.19 - SammyTRE Toupee - Andrew Bailey (RP)

03.20 - Tremendous Upside - Butch Wensloff (SP)

03.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Rico Carty (OF)

03.22 - Doug B - Mark Fidrych (SP)

03.23 - oso diablo - Hank Robinson (SP)

03.24 - Northern Voice - **** Hughes (SP)

04.01 - Northern Voice - Gene DeMontreville (SS)

04.02 - oso diablo - Joe Morgan (2B)

04.03 - Doug B - Britt Burns (SP)

04.04 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Brandon Webb (SP)

04.05 - Tremendous Upside - Wade Boggs (3B)

04.06 - SammyTRE Toupee - Jim Ray Hart (3B)

04.07 - Arsenal of Doom - Cal Ripken Jr. (SS)

04.08 - Sparty - Charlie Keller (OF)

04.09 - Koya - George Watkins (OF)

04.10 - Sammy - Bump Wills (2B)

04.11 - Notorious T.R.E. - Mitchell Page (OF)

04.12 - the_moops - Pinky Higgins (3B)

04.13 - boubucarow - Paul Dean (SP)

04.14 - shake zula - Gary Nolan (SP)

04.15 - belljr - Evan Longoria (3B)

04.16 - Hoos First - Al Downing (SP)

04.17 - Greco I - Derek Jeter (SS)

04.18 - RnR - Orel Hershiser (SP)

04.19 - Brady Phoenix -

04.20 - jfranco77 -

04.21 - Boug D -

04.22 - Eephus -

04.23 - Greco II -

04.24 - Doctor Detroit -

 

[Brady Marino]

4.19- 2B/3B Gil McDougald, 1951

He played his first major league game on April 20, 1951. On May 3 of that year, he tied a major league record by batting in 6 runs in one inning. [1] Later in the year, in the World Series, he became the first rookie to hit a grand slam home run in the Series. He narrowly beat out Minnie Miñoso in the voting for the 1951 American League Rookie of the Year.

 

[Eephus]

We haven't done a whole lot of modern-era sims. How do modern players stack up with old timers in the sim?

They do fine so long as their numbers are good. Modern uber-elite starting pitchers and relievers are actually very strong in WIS.Batters are more of a mixed lot ... when comparing elites to elites, modern guys strike out a lot compared to guys from, say, pre WWII. Modern guys, collectively, trend toward more power and less average at the plate. But modern players generally field better.

The latest big update changed fielding normalization a bit. We've only played the HoVG league under those rules but the pitcher era contributes to the defense behind him. Jfranco77 plays WIS in more leagues than just here. He might be able to comment on the impact.Batter strikeouts are normalized so modern guys who strike out less than the current MLB average won't be punished as badly. But someone like Longoria would lead the sim in Ks if he gets enough playing time.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

04.20 - jfranco77 - OTC

04.21 - Boug D - On Deck

04.22 - Eephus - In the hole

04.23 - Greco II -

04.24 - Doctor Detroit -

 

[jfranco77]

Let me pick first and then I'll answer some questions.

4.20 Dan Uggla, 2B 2006

Not much different than Joe Gordon yet picked 2 1/2 rounds later. Nice!

 

[jfranco77]

We haven't done a whole lot of modern-era sims. How do modern players stack up with old timers in the sim?

They do fine so long as their numbers are good. Modern uber-elite starting pitchers and relievers are actually very strong in WIS.Batters are more of a mixed lot ... when comparing elites to elites, modern guys strike out a lot compared to guys from, say, pre WWII. Modern guys, collectively, trend toward more power and less average at the plate. But modern players generally field better.

The latest big update changed fielding normalization a bit. We've only played the HoVG league under those rules but the pitcher era contributes to the defense behind him. Jfranco77 plays WIS in more leagues than just here. He might be able to comment on the impact.Batter strikeouts are normalized so modern guys who strike out less than the current MLB average won't be punished as badly. But someone like Longoria would lead the sim in Ks if he gets enough playing time.

I really don't care about strikeouts, so I'm the wrong person to ask about that. Modern guys do strike out a ton and that does tend to lead to lower averages in some cases, but against these pitchers I'm less concerned. There really doesn't seem to be an era that favors hitters above all others, but I find that normalization isn't complete. If a guy from 1968 has an AVG+ of 110 and a guy from 1930 has an AVG+ of 110, the 1930 guy will still outhit him. I agree that modern pitchers will do just fine, though they will be more HR prone. A great modern pitcher will be great. A decent modern pitcher maybe not so much. I know that the deadball pitchers are supposed to have a huge impact on fielding but I think it tends to vary. The idea is that if you have a modern pitcher on the mound, the defense behind him is better. So if you could pair 1890s fielders with 2000s pitchers then you would have your fielders do better than expected. Conversely if you pair 1900s pitchers with 2000s fielders, the fielders will be worse. And if you pair 1890s fielders with 1900s pitchers you're just begging for trouble. But I find the impact isn't quite as severe as you'd think. It's there... maybe a guy makes 30 errors instead of 20. But it's not like Jeter makes 100 errors playing behind Reulbach.

 

[oso diablo]

4.19- 2B/3B Gil McDougald, 1951

He played his first major league game on April 20, 1951. On May 3 of that year, he tied a major league record by batting in 6 runs in one inning. [1] Later in the year, in the World Series, he became the first rookie to hit a grand slam home run in the Series. He narrowly beat out Minnie Miñoso in the voting for the 1951 American League Rookie of the Year.

racists (or yankeeists)

 

[Koya]

4.19- 2B/3B Gil McDougald, 1951

He played his first major league game on April 20, 1951. On May 3 of that year, he tied a major league record by batting in 6 runs in one inning. [1] Later in the year, in the World Series, he became the first rookie to hit a grand slam home run in the Series. He narrowly beat out Minnie Miñoso in the voting for the 1951 American League Rookie of the Year.

racists (or yankeeists)

I don't know which is worst.

 

[RnR]

What's Doug B status today? Auto-skip or no?

 

[Doug B]

4 . 21 ( 93 ) Boug D : SP White, Ernie

 

[RnR]

What's Doug B status today? Auto-skip or no?

Guess that's a no. Ha.

 

[Doug B]

What's Doug B status today? Auto-skip or no?

Not on auto-skip anymore. Later in the draft, I'll probably go back on.It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

 

[Eephus]

Ed "The Poet" Charles, 3B

A Third Baseman Gives Thanks by Ed CharlesAuthor of my talents, 'tis you I praise;To you alone my arms are raised,For when I'm singing the old-time bluesYou change my tune to brighter hues.I'm king of the diamond, king for a dayWhen you intervene and lead the wayI'm grateful to you, I'll always beFor the inspiration you give to me.Here at the ball park thousands cheer;We players perform with consciences clear.Excel we must, in day games and night, Seeking victory with all our mightSeeking a place with the stars of the game,A niche in Baseball's Hall of FameWhere Babe, Ty and Jackie are proudly enshrinedWhite stars and black, arms entwined.Deep is my longing to rise to the heights.Guide me then to higher flightsOf fame and glory, victories wonHomers winging into the sun;For win I shall when I am blessedBy you, dear author, to do my best!

 

[Greco]

Greco II selects:

4.23 Bill Salkeld, C 1945

Not a catcherTM

In 1936 Bill Salkeld was a young catcher with the San Francisco Seals of the Pacific Coast League when he suffered a severe spike injury to his right knee as he dove to tag a base runner in a run down play and his knee got caught in the runner's spikes. An infection set in and he was hospitalized for three months. For a time there was concern about his leg having to be amputated, and he was told his playing days were over. Bill was out of baseball for over two years and selling furniture when he returned to play.

 

[Greco]

I can't compete with Ed Charles.

 

[Eephus]

I can't compete with Ed Charles.

winging into the sun

 

[shake zula]

This is going sooooo slow.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

4.24 OF Jimmie Hall

Zodiac: Pisces

He ended the season hitting .260/.342/.521 with 21 doubles, five triples, 33 home runs and 80 RBI. That was good enough for third place in the AL Rookie of the Year voting behind two White Sox players. Gary Peters went 19-8 with a 2.33 ERA....

2nd pick coming in a few

 

[RnR]

This is going sooooo slow.

Entering the 5th round on our 4th day. When the clock speeds up in the middle rounds we start moving pretty quick. These are usually a 2-3 week process.

 

[Greco]

####### kidding me?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Baby steps to the picks...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

5.01 CP Takashi Saito 斎藤 隆

Saito threw a 159 km/h (99 mph) fastball on June 26, 2007, which is claimed to be the all-time record for a Japanese-born Major League pitcher

 

[Koya]

Ok, since we are going so slow, you all might find this an interesting read (or maybe not, but its more interesting than a draft pick every three hours and certainly better than me talking fantasy football):

Pretty handsome guy who wrote this, don't you think?

Some Nerd On the Changing Market for Downtown Living and the Boutique City

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I thought for sure Hall would be gone by now, I really considered taking him back at 3.01. I wanted he and Saito halfway through the 4th round so I'm pretty happy they fell. Hollocher was a bit of a reach at 3.01, but I thought he would be gone by the time I picked again. When you are picking on the turns you have to take guys you really want, not necessarily the guys that have the best value.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I like the Saito pick.

 

[Greco]

Greco II selects:

5.02 Wally Judnich, OF, 1940

I'm cornering the market on St Louis Browns

 

[Eephus]

Ok, since we are going so slow, you all might find this an interesting read (or maybe not, but its more interesting than a draft pick every three hours and certainly better than me talking fantasy football):

Pretty handsome guy who wrote this, don't you think?

Some Nerd On the Changing Market for Downtown Living and the Boutique City

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Ok, since we are going so slow, you all might find this an interesting read (or maybe not, but its more interesting than a draft pick every three hours and certainly better than me talking fantasy football):

Pretty handsome guy who wrote this, don't you think?

Some Nerd On the Changing Market for Downtown Living and the Boutique City

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point

Is Michael Crabtree worth a start this week?

 

[RnR]

Player Draft Results

01.01 - Doctor Detroit - Russ Ford (SP)

01.02 - Greco II - Ichiro Suzuki (OF)

01.03 - Eephus - Ted Williams (OF)

01.04 - Boug D - Albert Pujols (3B)

01.05 - jfranco77 - Ed Reulbach (SP)

01.06 - Brady Phoenix - Fred Lynn (OF)

01.07 - RnR - **** Allen (3B)

01.08 - Greco I - Joe DiMaggio (OF)

01.09 - Hoos First - Jack Pfiester (SP)

01.10 - belljr - Tony Oliva (OF)

01.11 - shake zula - Al Rosen (3B)

01.12 - boubucarow - Carlton Fisk (CA)

01.13 - the_moops - Hal Trosky (1B)

01.14 - Notorious T.R.E. - Cy Blanton (SP)

01.15 - Sammy - Jimmy Williams (3B)

01.16 - Koya - Vean Gregg (SP)

01.17 - Sparty - Reb Russell (SP)

01.18 - Arsenal of Doom - Buster Posey (CA)

01.19 - SammyTRE Toupee - Dwight Gooden (SP)

01.20 - Tremendous Upside - Fernando Valenzuela (SP)

01.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Bernie Carbo (OF)

01.22 - Doug B - Paul Waner (OF)

01.23 - oso diablo - Minnie Minoso (3B/OF)

01.24 - Northern Voice - Rudy York (CA)

02.01 - Northern Voice - Joe Gordon (2B)

02.02 - oso diablo - Hanley Ramirez (SS)

02.03 - Doug B - Johnny Mize (1B)

02.04 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Addie Joss (SP)

02.05 - Tremendous Upside - Richie Ashburn (OF)

02.06 - SammyTRE Toupee - Frank Robinson (OF)

02.07 - Arsenal of Doom - Hideo Nomo (SP)

02.08 - Sparty - Harry Krause (SP)

02.09 - Koya - Dale Alexander (1B)

02.10 - Sammy - Gary Peters (SP)

02.11 - Notorious T.R.E. - Cliff Melton (SP)

02.12 - the_moops - Noodles Hahn (SP)

02.13 - boubucarow - Earle Combs (OF)

02.14 - shake zula - Wally Berger (OF)

02.15 - belljr - Walt Dropo (1B)

02.16 - Hoos First - Roy Thomas (OF)

02.17 - Greco I - Pete Alexander (SP)

02.18 - RnR - Frank Smith (SP)

02.19 - Brady Phoenix - Jeff Tesreau (SP)

02.20 - jfranco77 - Wilcy Moore (SP)

02.21 - Boug D - Ron Guidry (SP)

02.22 - Eephus - Wally Bunker (SP)

02.23 - Greco II - Babe Ruth (SP)

02.24 - Doctor Detroit - Frank Baker (3B)

03.01 - Doctor Detroit - Charlie Hollocher (SS)

03.02 - Greco II - Ryan Braun (3B)

03.03 - Eephus - Jim Turner (SP)

03.04 - Boug D - Stan Musial (OF)

03.05 - jfranco77 - Gary Carter (CA)

03.06 - Brady Phoenix - Johnny Pesky (SS)

03.07 - RnR - Don Sutton (SP)

03.08 - Greco I - Fred Glade (SP)

03.09 - Hoos First - Dave Righetti (SP)

03.10 - belljr - Pat Listach (2B/SS)

03.11 - shake zula - Stan Bahnsen (SP)

03.12 - boubucarow - Doc Ayers (SP)

03.13 - the_moops - Earl Averill (OF)

03.14 - Notorious T.R.E. - Troy Percival (RP)

03.15 - Sammy - Babe Adams (SP/RP)

03.16 - Koya - Ernie Shore (SP)

03.17 - Sparty - Bob Hamelin (1B)

03.18 - Arsenal of Doom - Zeke Bonura (1B)

03.19 - SammyTRE Toupee - Andrew Bailey (RP)

03.20 - Tremendous Upside - Butch Wensloff (SP)

03.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Rico Carty (OF)

03.22 - Doug B - Mark Fidrych (SP)

03.23 - oso diablo - Hank Robinson (SP)

03.24 - Northern Voice - **** Hughes (SP)

04.01 - Northern Voice - Gene DeMontreville (SS)

04.02 - oso diablo - Joe Morgan (2B)

04.03 - Doug B - Britt Burns (SP)

04.04 - Super Nintendo Chalmers - Brandon Webb (SP)

04.05 - Tremendous Upside - Wade Boggs (3B)

04.06 - SammyTRE Toupee - Jim Ray Hart (3B)

04.07 - Arsenal of Doom - Cal Ripken Jr. (SS)

04.08 - Sparty - Charlie Keller (OF)

04.09 - Koya - George Watkins (OF)

04.10 - Sammy - Bump Wills (2B)

04.11 - Notorious T.R.E. - Mitchell Page (OF)

04.12 - the_moops - Pinky Higgins (3B)

04.13 - boubucarow - Paul Dean (SP)

04.14 - shake zula - Gary Nolan (SP)

04.15 - belljr - Evan Longoria (3B)

04.16 - Hoos First - Al Downing (SP)

04.17 - Greco I - Derek Jeter (SS)

04.18 - RnR - Orel Hershiser (SP)

04.19 - Brady Phoenix - Gil McDougald (2B/3B)

04.20 - jfranco77 - Dan Uggla (2B)

04.21 - Boug D - Ernie White (SP)

04.22 - Eephus - Ed Charles (3B)

04.23 - Greco II - Bill Salkeld (CA)

04.24 - Doctor Detroit - Jimmie Hall (OF)

05.01 - Doctor Detroit - Takashi Saito (RP)

05.02 - Greco II - Wally Judnich (OF)

05.03 - Eephus -

05.04 - Boug D -

05.05 - jfranco77 -

05.06 - Brady Phoenix -

05.07 - RnR -

05.08 - Greco I -

05.09 - Hoos First -

05.10 - belljr -

05.11 - shake zula -

05.12 - boubucarow -

05.13 - the_moops -

05.14 - Notorious T.R.E. -

05.15 - Sammy -

05.16 - Koya -

05.17 - Sparty -

05.18 - Arsenal of Doom -

05.19 - SammyTRE Toupee -

05.20 - Tremendous Upside -

05.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers -

05.22 - Doug B -

05.23 - oso diablo -

05.24 - Northern Voice -

 

[Koya]

Ok, since we are going so slow, you all might find this an interesting read (or maybe not, but its more interesting than a draft pick every three hours and certainly better than me talking fantasy football):

Pretty handsome guy who wrote this, don't you think?

Some Nerd On the Changing Market for Downtown Living and the Boutique City

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point

Hey, gotta PR speak when you have to.Worst thing really is that this was a paraphrased interview - it loses a lot of the specific because of that. When you chat for 45 minutes with a reporter, you just hope it comes out right between actually stating it correctly and then having it written and then edited as such.

 

[Koya]

Ok, since we are going so slow, you all might find this an interesting read (or maybe not, but its more interesting than a draft pick every three hours and certainly better than me talking fantasy football):

Pretty handsome guy who wrote this, don't you think?

Some Nerd On the Changing Market for Downtown Living and the Boutique City

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point

Is Michael Crabtree worth a start this week?

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point in Crabtree's season. The 9ers are looking to put the first half of the season behind them and with Troy Smith at the helm I'd expect some good things in the coming weeks.

 

[Eephus]

5.03 Bill Burns, SP

"Sleepy" Bill Burns Earned his nickname for his noticeable lack of intensity on the mound.Though out of the Major League Baseball for seven years before the Black Sox Scandal, Burns brought together the the Black Sox and the gamblers who fixed the series. Burns was discovered hiding in Mexico by Ban Johnson; Arnold Rothstein testified in court that all he knew of the fix was that Burns and Abe Attell had approached him about fixing the Series. He thus became the star prosecution witness in the Chicago trial. Burns testified "I told them I had the hundred thousand dollars to handle the throwing of the World Series. I also told them that I had the names of the men who were going to finance it. I told them they were waiting below."

 

[Greco]

Bill put this draft to sleep

 

[RnR]

ANNOUNCE: One hour clock starts Monday morning.

Note to noobs: We don't run a clock through the weekend, but drafting is still encouraged.

 

[Brady Marino]

Doug B, please leave the board for a while so we can pick. TIA

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Doug B cranking out designer jeans.

 

[RnR]

It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

 

[Brady Marino]

Is he inviting his pick candiates over for tryouts?

 

[RnR]

Is he inviting his pick candiates over for tryouts?

Pretty sure he's running test seasons with each candidate. SimLive, the whole nine yards...

 

[shake zula]

Why are we moving soooo slooooow?????

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Why are we moving soooo slooooow?????

Doug B has two teams?