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Oh Please.....Didn't last year teach them a lesson in humility. All year Met fans called WFAN and 1050 pointing fingers at the Yankees and laughing and then they were all like
to finish off the year Vs National league dregs...... :( The Met fans are excited again in May - what else is new?
So who gets credit for the reinvigorated player development?
Ah yes - the painful and epic choke still stings.I'm just getting excited for a pitching duel on Friday night - Santana vs Rasner.Reaper said:Oh Please.....Didn't last year teach them a lesson in humility. All year Met fans called WFAN and 1050 pointing fingers at the Yankees and laughing and then they were all likeshadyridr said:to finish off the year Vs National league dregs......
The Met fans are excited again in May - what else is new?
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Fair enough and I don't disagree about wins, but it does show durability and consistency (to go along with run support).People look at how poorly Wang did last year in the playoffs and they dismiss how hard it is to center his 93 MPH pitch. he is now using a slider and an occasional changeup to mix it up. He is better than people are giving him credit for.
LOL, I said the same exact thing. If Molina can't play good defense he is worthless with his horrible OBP and swinging at the first pitch (you too Jeter). BTW, Jeter could have tried to make the tag instead of just swiping upward. If Cano was on that bad throw I bet Gomes is out 60% of the time. the throw was BAD, but Jeter did nothing to help it as he was too far in front of the bad and even after lifting his glove over his head came down and almost caught GomesTo Shady's point, Posada and ARod are the two most irreplaceable parts on the Yankees offense and the rest of the team is not stepping up, including their backups who have been AWFUL in their place.Is the batting coach in trouble?
You keep getting on Giambi but he is 4th on our team in OPS right now...
Im talking about the whole contract not just this year. That being said, you really using Giambi as 4th on the team in OPS when the team is scoring 1 run a game and their 2 best hitters are hurt as proof?
How about all the Met fans calling WFAN and SCREAMING how the Mets will never win because they are not willing to go out and spend money and get guys like Zito. There must have been 50 calls saying the same thing over and over; it was comical.The Mets are a very good teamAh yes - the painful and epic choke still stings.I'm just getting excited for a pitching duel on Friday night - Santana vs Rasner.Reaper said:Oh Please.....Didn't last year teach them a lesson in humility. All year Met fans called WFAN and 1050 pointing fingers at the Yankees and laughing and then they were all likeshadyridr said:to finish off the year Vs National league dregs......
The Met fans are excited again in May - what else is new?
The point is that it is not Giambis fault. ARod is one of the 3 ahead of him BTW. The blame needs to go on Cano, Ensberg and even Molina who is never good is even worse than normal. After that, Jeter has been fairly weak, although coming on. I also think Giambi was an excellent hitter for most of his contract. he had two years where he had less than 300 AB's where he was injured that averaged about a .750 OPS (so that was not good), but every other year he was studly. Overall, including this year Giambi has had an OPS of .916! That is pretty solid...
And Kazmir got his extension today.DarthI'm sure you're trying to be cute here, but Longoria just signed a 9-year deal last month, Pena and Shields went long-term this off-season and word is CC and BJ are talking extensions.So in other words, enjoy the long-term benefits of Shelley Duncan.
That's great for you guys CappyI love to see teams lock up their young talent, it's just good for the gameReally like watching this TB team play....Glad I'll get the chance to see them keep and develop these young guys and really develop a strong rivalry with the Yanks...And Kazmir got his extension today.DarthI'm sure you're trying to be cute here, but Longoria just signed a 9-year deal last month, Pena and Shields went long-term this off-season and word is CC and BJ are talking extensions.So in other words, enjoy the long-term benefits of Shelley Duncan.
Worrying about a disaster of not making the playoffs this year is not good GM strategy for holding onto inferior players and passing on a future HOFer who isn't even 30, yet. We've been through this before, and I understand the man-crushes you have on our young pitching. Bad thing for Yanks fans that the management brass shared this sentiment.
That's great for you guys CappyI love to see teams lock up their young talent, it's just good for the gameReally like watching this TB team play....Glad I'll get the chance to see them keep and develop these young guys and really develop a strong rivalry with the Yanks...And Kazmir got his extension today.DarthI'm sure you're trying to be cute here, but Longoria just signed a 9-year deal last month, Pena and Shields went long-term this off-season and word is CC and BJ are talking extensions.So in other words, enjoy the long-term benefits of Shelley Duncan.
Perfect, when the team moves to North Jersey, it'll REALLY be ready!And Kazmir got his extension today.DarthI'm sure you're trying to be cute here, but Longoria just signed a 9-year deal last month, Pena and Shields went long-term this off-season and word is CC and BJ are talking extensions.So in other words, enjoy the long-term benefits of Shelley Duncan.
Was that Mattingly at 1st base yesterday?Man, Joba was throwing some darts yesterday. his control is not where it needs to be, but he just blew TB away.Good to see Rivera get right back on the horse, even though the outing was not bad.Anybody want to take back their comments about Mussina yet? I know that Shady and I defended him when others laughed (some others might have as well), but even this is a little more than I expected. My expectation was an ERA of about 4.5 with some occasional BAD outings. I still see that happening, but if he can give us 6 innings allowing 3 runs I would be all over that once we get our offense back. He now sits with an ERA of 3.99. hats off to Mussina who has turned himself into a crafty righty.Cano - 4 hits (the last two singles were lucky, but...)Only 3.5 back with how we have played is not horrible. Of course there are a lot of teams to jump over which makes it a lot harder, but I just don't see Baltimore as any threat at all and I see them struggling soon. TB is a pesky team, but they just don't have the horses to stay in the race all year IMO.I am still sticking to my predictions of Cleveland, LA , the Yanks and Boston making the playoffs.Reaper said:Clifton said:We got'em tonight boys
moose is done. have fun with those 25+ starts.
I didnt jump all over the guy and I defended Mussina but I too thought he was done.
Thanks for your honesty, I thought you thought he deserved to continue, but in looking back you were defending his career more than keeping him pitching. Either way, if he can give us a 4.5 the rest of the way that is valuable to this team when their offense starts to play closer to their expected production.
Obviously not the results you'd like, but certainly more encouraging than his other games when he looked like he didn't even belong on the same field as other major leaguers. Made one very bad mistake to Riggans, though I thought he showed some early mettle by bearing down after the Iwamura HR. Also nice job of giving up only 1 run to Crawford/Upton/Pena after loading the bases with nobody out.But this is what's going to happen with young pitching. It's not going to be consistent (Edinson Volquez aside) and you've just got to hope that Hank doesn't cut off the long-term goals before they can begin.Can Cashman go already by the way? I'm not going to get on him about trusting in the young guys or not pulling the trigger on Johan, because I was on board with both of those.I'm talking about the complete and utter lack of depth this team has. How is it that Bob Watson had guys like Strawberry, Fielder, Chili, Boggs, and Raines coming off the bench for him when they were still very productive yet Cashman runs out crap like Ensberg and Molina?!? This is a disgrace that a team can spend $200 million and have zero protection from injuries.
I'm reminded of just how happy we should be that we chose him over Johan Santana.
I think it's logical and set up for Cashman to take the fall after this season..... There's going to be a lot of money to spend after this year and a new stadium to open -Cashman hasn't proven that he's the guy who should be buying the groceries.....Have there been any discussions of potential new GM's?
IMO there are simply several better teams in the AL. And what does "pesky" mean? It must mean "they do everything better than the Yankees except hit for power"? We all know about the injuries and early-season issues of the Yanks...but don't think you are the only team underperforming in certain areas. The Rays have a LOT of room to improve offensively for instance.
Man, its really distressing to see this tide turning against Cash. He's far from perfect and certainly not flawless, but he's spearheaded the emphasis on agressive drafting and using some of the financial muscle to draft better. So far since 2006 we've seen Joba, which if he was all that draft churned out would be a pretty good one, but there are B prospects and up littered through that draft. I want Cashman to continue to get to build that. As for Cashman, he takes the credit and the fall for what goes on in theory, sure. But this is the guy that wanted Vlad over Sheffield for basically the same money. Because Sheff is from Tampa, he was a Yankee, and how different a complexion would this team have had since 94 with Vlad on it? By all accounts he didn't want Igawa, but he was a decision from international scouting in reaction to Dice K. Now thinking Jaret Wright and Pavano were worth that sort of cake, as well as Farns, well, bad moves, but he's been here for 12 years, I don't think you'll do much better. If Sabean is out there, who's also had a flawed few years, I'd be ok with him, otherwise, Cashman has earned the shot.Reaper said:
"pesky"
TB is a better team than the Yanks right now. Its a lefthanded compliment to call them pesky.
How about the same issue that plagued them in the postseason last year...a lefty in the pen. The Yankees are the perfect example of a team that gets killed by lefty specialists all the time. Giambi, Damon, Abreu (even Melky) all up in big spots and in comes one of at least 2 lefties in the pen. This, along with getting a lefty crushing bat were my 2 priorities this offseason and neither was addressed. We make the opposing managers job very easy when he never has to worry about a lefty coming in. It is absurd with such a big payroll. Part of the reason we are so bad with RISP is when a big spot comes up we have bad matchups. The TEAM OPS against lefties is .615!!!!! This is mind boggling PUTRID! For perspective, Moeller, our journeyman 3rd string catcher who is known as a guy who can't hit, has a career OPS of .634 and this TEAM has an OPS of .615 against lefties??? WOW.Michael Brown said:
The Yanks have a higher OPS than TB (.731-.718), but TB has scored 13 more runs the Yankees. I consider that to be doing the little things right, thus pesky.Well, yes they are a better team than the Yankees right now, but it is hard to compare a team without their two most indispensable offensive players.To Gump, I agree that TB actually has some upside in offense on their team, but the discrepancy is not close to the Yanks. I also think your pitching is doing a little better than expected.The Yankee will get it going...and while I am disappointed with Cashman and some of his moves I am not ready to throw him out yet. I will wait until the end of the year to judge."pesky"
Sammy Sosa's still available. And a lot of that is revisionist history. They signed Ensberg and already had Duncan and Betemit. Who else would you have wanted. I mean really with 14 roster spots there isn't any room for anyone else. That's not on Cashman's head either since the Steinbrenner's wanted him to cut down on payroll.
I still wanted Cashman out years ago though. He has saved Theo Epstein from so many potentially horrible decisions that it's become laughable. And don't tell me that it's always the Steinbrenners that are pulling the strings while letting Cash be the fall guy.So when a decision works out, Cash is a genius but if it doesn't work out it's because George and Hank were forcing the issue? I find that a bit difficult to believe. Besides part of the job as Yankee GM is to be able to convince the boss that you know better than he does for what's right for the team.
I still wanted Cashman out years ago though. He has saved Theo Epstein from so many potentially horrible decisions that it's become laughable. And don't tell me that it's always the Steinbrenners that are pulling the strings while letting Cash be the fall guy.So when a decision works out, Cash is a genius but if it doesn't work out it's because George and Hank were forcing the issue? I find that a bit difficult to believe. Besides part of the job as Yankee GM is to be able to convince the boss that you know better than he does for what's right for the team.
You can site bad luck all you want. After a while someone has to be held accountable for all these mistakes.
Umm money PLUS prospects is not good baseball sense anymore.The Yankees shouldn't have traded for Santana because they're hesitant to spend lots of money on players?
That's a Load of Garbage right there....The Yankees ARE going to spend HUGE on a big time pitcher eventually...I think the choice was Santana now and Trade Kennedy, Hughes and Cabrera OR try to sign someone next year and Keep those guys...I think they rolled the dice to see if they can have their cake and eat it too....And with the injuries and such, I'm not sold on if they made the wrong move just yet, depends on how this plays out this year and how they spend their money next year... In addition to the development of Kennedy and Hughes. I don't see Santana being ENOUGH OF a difference maker this season so far for the Yankees.
Addition through subtraction. They'd have Johan and be without Kennedy. Win/win.
How is it revisionist if it is stated in advance??? Duncan was hot last year and hits lefties OK, but he is a lifetime minor leaguer with many gaps in his swing. Can he be OK against lefties, yes, but he is not an answer. I think Betemit is a guy I could see develop into a nice player but he has a much better swing from the left side and is not a good hitter from the right side. Ensberg was a guy who he tried in that spot and I admit I looked at his excellent numbers against lefties over the past 3 years and was happy to see a cheap signing that I thought would help this exact situation. I have never really watched Ensberg play and last year he wasn't real good so maybe he is losing it a little? He is only 32 and he absolutely will do better, but he has been horrific so far. It would be poor if he only had a .750 OPS against lefties, but right now that would be a blessing.
I don't agree with this analysis. To say the players have "nothing to do with the players Minnesota wanted", is simply someone who is clueless. He is basically saying that if Santana were a free agent the Yankees wouldn't have paid Santana that money??? Please don;t insult all of us with that BS. he then compares pitchers who are not in Santana's league to him...Mussina is on part with hose guys and he has worked out very well. Beckett was a trade and then a deal that is working out well for Boston. Now I am not dismissing the amount of money spent on a pitcher may not be a good statistical move (for the most part they have not worked out), but an elite pitcher (a clear top 3 guy in the league without question) like Santana is RARELY available. It is MUCH better than paying $8 mil a year on 3 mediocre pitchers, especially if you are the Yankees.
My stance remains that while I would have pulled the trigger, but the answer to whether it was the right move is at least a year away (and possibly more). Cashman is not wrong yet. While Hughes and Kennedy have stunk the main issue is the lack of offense as nobody expected it to be this bad. I do blame Cahsman for not getting a lefty in the pen for 2 years in a row.
