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Exactly.Who's that now?Well.... color me jealous. I might need to play a round with Alvaro Espinoza to get even.
Exactly.Who's that now?Well.... color me jealous. I might need to play a round with Alvaro Espinoza to get even.
say what now?Exactly.Who's that now?Well.... color me jealous. I might need to play a round with Alvaro Espinoza to get even.
I guess this was an example of Theo owning Cashman.Tomorrow we shall look at this again and argue that Theo out maneuvered Cashman in trading for Beckett OR that Cashman owned Theo in getting CCFinless said:
You read all that from a Finless icon. Shouldn't you be more involved in the Penny bashing thread?I guess this was an example of Theo owning Cashman.Tomorrow we shall look at this again and argue that Theo out maneuvered Cashman in trading for Beckett OR that Cashman owned Theo in getting CCFinless said:How about the perspective that these are 2 of the top teams in baseball that will battle it out until the end. Right now the Yankees have a good handle on the division, but if both teams get into the playoffs, it all gets throw out of the window and if a team is a favorite going into the series it is a VERY small differential.
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Burnett seems to have 3-4 games a year where he absolutely gets pummeled. But hes been pretty damn good this yearThe Ghost of Common said:Oof. Burnett could be the most inconsistent pitcher in the Yankee rotation (a complete headcase too). What was his contract?
If it is those two, get there early as the game might only last about 5 and a half minutes.Anyway I'm going to the Friday night game only. Have fun bro.Buddy of mine scored tix for us for the ChiSox/Yanks game at the Stadium next Sunday. Any of you gonna be there?One rain out for each team this week and I'll catch a legendary Buehrle/C.C. matchup.![]()
Finless said:Congratulations on winning the East.
I think they are viewing this from FIRST placeNow that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?
Now that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?
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lolNow that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?They're 9-6 and there are 3 games left
Classic.Enjoy the sounds of Sterling calling the shots against Beckett. The video replays on line have really come a long way.
Sterling call
:hilarious:lolNow that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?They're 9-6 and there are 3 games left
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The funny thing is Ive already said I know he likes to fish but he should at least get the facts correct.:hilarious:lolNow that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?They're 9-6 and there are 3 games left
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Gotta watch out for GOC - FYI his shtick is to repeat over and over how much he doesn't care and how he talks serious baseball and then WHAM!!!!! - he'll nail you on the most cunning and witty of all Fishing trips...
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bumpHughes has been dominant, Santana seems to be on the decline. And if they signed Santana they wouldnt have signed one of CC or Teixeira.No different than before. Utterly ridiculous that we didn't make that deal because we didn't want to get rid of Kennedy. Did something change all of a sudden that I'm not aware of?cobalt Id love to see your thoughts on the Santana for Hughes, Cabrera, & Kennedy non-trade now.
Hughes has been absolute $ of late, though. Great role for him so far.Santana is 11-8 on an awful Mets team and sporting a 3.12 ERA, which is his lifetime number (and an ERA+ better than any current Yankee starter). He's absolutely fine and is exactly what the Yanks need...another dominant starter. I have no faith that the current starting Yankee group as a whole can be consistent enough to win in the playoffs.
Besides, I thought you conceded some pages ago that it was, ultimately, pretty stupid of the Yanks to not pull the trigger when they did. Are you flip-flopping back, now?
F'in Girardi...Swisher might be the worst bunter in the universe and he can work a walk probably just as easily as he can lay down a bunt. What the hell is he thinking there?Francisco can't find the plate, and when he does he's missing right over the plate...all the momentum in the world on their side. Eff.
There were only a few who felt it was idiotic not to get Santana cut and dry, but many of us who did want to do the deal (and those that didn't) could see the other side as there were some issues. In fact, I put a caveat on my thought that stated people in the Yankee organization said Hughes throws 95 MPH and I said if he actually does (if you remember he was throwing 91-92 last year), then I could understand not pulling the trigger.Either way, Santana did pitch well this year and now has this injury (again injuries could happen to anyone). Kay's claim about the injury seems a little suspect only because Santana has been pretty darn healthy and great so far in his career.Everyone knew that you would have to look a few years into the future to see whether the deal worked or not. While opinions may be altered now, it is still a little early to make a conclusion as Kennedy got hurt and Melky is still a 4th OF'r who is not good enough defensively in CF (BTW, he made bad throw yesterday and should have thrown out the guy going to 3rd) and doesn't hit well enough to be a corner OF'r. Hughes looks really good, but he is not even close to being Santana yet. Of course the money is the other factorProbably best to keep this talk here... But, Johan talk is definitely in play here because Baseball fans and Yankee fans took The Yankees to task for not trading Melky, Hughes and Kennedy but, like Michael Kay was saying yesterday, The Yankees did get reports that told them Johan was a MAJOR risk long term.They also knew they were going to go after CC.Like I said from the start of the Johan debates, I Completely understand their thinking and why they went the way they did... There was some logic to it, this wasn't the complete assinine Non-Move people assumed it was... - It was never as cut and dry as some made it out to be... Maybe those Yankee fans took the stance of "WTF.. We'll buy our way out of a potential Johan disaster"....I think at least Yankee fans, that railed against them for this should step back and say they may have went overboard a bit and the Johan decision wasn't easy either way.
Joba was as excruciating to watch as ever as he was nibbling all night, threw only about 92 MPH (avg) and had little command. Pretty frustrating game to watch when Texas scored 9 runs with 2 outs and nobody on!Gaudin came in and added to the situation allowing 3 runs in 3.2 innings.F'in Girardi...Swisher might be the worst bunter in the universe and he can work a walk probably just as easily as he can lay down a bunt. What the hell is he thinking there?
Francisco can't find the plate, and when he does he's missing right over the plate...all the momentum in the world on their side. Eff.I really hope Swisher was doing that on his own, because you can bench his ###. If Girardi called for it, there is no benching the manager.
Of course, if Joba attacked a hitter like he does a bottle of hooch, the game would have ended differently anyway.
If he was, Girardi should've screamed to him from the bench after ball one that he shouldn't be bunting! Francisco was on the ropes ready to be knocked out and that bailed him right out. What a frustrating game.Swisher bunting was ####in horrible. I couldnt believe it. Girardi looked pissed afterwards. Anyone know if he was bunting on his own?
Even though I wrote that I would have let Swisher hit, we really can't blame the call there. The execution was bad from a guy who has tried to bunt for a hit a few times and has successfully sacrificed all 3 times he was asked this year. The sac was probably the right call in hindsight, the execution was not. Think about what would be said if he hit into a DP? 1st and 2nd with nobody out down by 1, is the perfect bunting situation.yes, the pitcher was on the ropes and yes Melky who has stunk was on deck, but the bunt really can't be criticized (heavily)Good win yesterday and Pettitte did another nice job...he has really surprised me this year. Jorge is enormous for this team...I hope his finger doesn't hurt his hitting. I also need to acknowledge a very good offensive game by Hairston!If he was, Girardi should've screamed to him from the bench after ball one that he shouldn't be bunting! Francisco was on the ropes ready to be knocked out and that bailed him right out. What a frustrating game.Swisher bunting was ####in horrible. I couldnt believe it. Girardi looked pissed afterwards. Anyone know if he was bunting on his own?
I disagree here dude...Swisher was successful on the 3 other attempts, but do you remember how bad he looked while attempting them? He just doesn't do it very naturally, as evidenced again by nearly reaching up to attempt the first pitch ball that was over his head. I just thought it was senseless to give a wild pitcher an out. And then once it goes 1-0, it makes even less sense to bunt. Swisher seems to be an excellent situational hitter when he's got the count in his favor.I agree that the situation was perfect for a bunt, but you have to take into account the personnel. If it was Jeter or Damon or someone batting, ok. Swisher, I'd let him work a full AB there.Even though I wrote that I would have let Swisher hit, we really can't blame the call there. The execution was bad from a guy who has tried to bunt for a hit a few times and has successfully sacrificed all 3 times he was asked this year. The sac was probably the right call in hindsight, the execution was not. Think about what would be said if he hit into a DP? 1st and 2nd with nobody out down by 1, is the perfect bunting situation.yes, the pitcher was on the ropes and yes Melky who has stunk was on deck, but the bunt really can't be criticized (heavily)If he was, Girardi should've screamed to him from the bench after ball one that he shouldn't be bunting! Francisco was on the ropes ready to be knocked out and that bailed him right out. What a frustrating game.Swisher bunting was ####in horrible. I couldnt believe it. Girardi looked pissed afterwards. Anyone know if he was bunting on his own?
Actually, I remember two of the bunts and he executed the flawlessly and on the first attempt. I do not remember the 3rd and perhaps on that one he looked bad?I disagree here dude...Swisher was successful on the 3 other attempts, but do you remember how bad he looked while attempting them? He just doesn't do it very naturally, as evidenced again by nearly reaching up to attempt the first pitch ball that was over his head. I just thought it was senseless to give a wild pitcher an out. And then once it goes 1-0, it makes even less sense to bunt. Swisher seems to be an excellent situational hitter when he's got the count in his favor.I agree that the situation was perfect for a bunt, but you have to take into account the personnel. If it was Jeter or Damon or someone batting, ok. Swisher, I'd let him work a full AB there.Even though I wrote that I would have let Swisher hit, we really can't blame the call there. The execution was bad from a guy who has tried to bunt for a hit a few times and has successfully sacrificed all 3 times he was asked this year. The sac was probably the right call in hindsight, the execution was not. Think about what would be said if he hit into a DP? 1st and 2nd with nobody out down by 1, is the perfect bunting situation.yes, the pitcher was on the ropes and yes Melky who has stunk was on deck, but the bunt really can't be criticized (heavily)If he was, Girardi should've screamed to him from the bench after ball one that he shouldn't be bunting! Francisco was on the ropes ready to be knocked out and that bailed him right out. What a frustrating game.Swisher bunting was ####in horrible. I couldnt believe it. Girardi looked pissed afterwards. Anyone know if he was bunting on his own?
I've already embarassed jobarules twice here using facts.My work for the season is done.The funny thing is Ive already said I know he likes to fish but he should at least get the facts correct.:hilarious:lolNow that the Sox have taken the season series from the Yankees, any thoughts as to how the Yankees front office is viewing this failure?They're 9-6 and there are 3 games left
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Gotta watch out for GOC - FYI his shtick is to repeat over and over how much he doesn't care and how he talks serious baseball and then WHAM!!!!! - he'll nail you on the most cunning and witty of all Fishing trips...
:BRILLIANT:
I definitely remember him looking putrid on the most recent one, and while I wouldn't bet my life on it I could've sworn he was bad on another one as well. But either way, what's done is done and hopefully it won't make a difference either way.I also mis-spoke above about Damon, who isn't a very good bunter actually.Now, I think we've all spent plenty of time discussing bunting. Let's talk about whether there's gonna be a game tonight. Looking pretty crappy out here in northern NJ...Actually, I remember two of the bunts and he executed the flawlessly and on the first attempt. I do not remember the 3rd and perhaps on that one he looked bad?I disagree here dude...Swisher was successful on the 3 other attempts, but do you remember how bad he looked while attempting them? He just doesn't do it very naturally, as evidenced again by nearly reaching up to attempt the first pitch ball that was over his head. I just thought it was senseless to give a wild pitcher an out. And then once it goes 1-0, it makes even less sense to bunt. Swisher seems to be an excellent situational hitter when he's got the count in his favor.I agree that the situation was perfect for a bunt, but you have to take into account the personnel. If it was Jeter or Damon or someone batting, ok. Swisher, I'd let him work a full AB there.Even though I wrote that I would have let Swisher hit, we really can't blame the call there. The execution was bad from a guy who has tried to bunt for a hit a few times and has successfully sacrificed all 3 times he was asked this year. The sac was probably the right call in hindsight, the execution was not. Think about what would be said if he hit into a DP? 1st and 2nd with nobody out down by 1, is the perfect bunting situation.yes, the pitcher was on the ropes and yes Melky who has stunk was on deck, but the bunt really can't be criticized (heavily)If he was, Girardi should've screamed to him from the bench after ball one that he shouldn't be bunting! Francisco was on the ropes ready to be knocked out and that bailed him right out. What a frustrating game.Swisher bunting was ####in horrible. I couldnt believe it. Girardi looked pissed afterwards. Anyone know if he was bunting on his own?
That is a good description...Who needs Joba and Hughes when you have Mitre and GaudinMy first visit to the new stadium was today. WOW!So impressed with everything about it. The place is absolutely beautiful and gigantic, yet it doesn't feel overwhelming.![]()
Not much to talk about. Yanks are playing great. Now it all rides on their postseason.Not much posting here, I guess we should just be enjoying this ride as the Yanks are almost a lock to break 100 wins and have been winning at a great .750 clip in the 2nd half of the year.
Id still take Washburn over Mitre or Gaudin. God forbid there is an injury to CC, AJ, or Pettitte then well have one of them pitching in the postseason. Obviously I wouldnt have traded Jackson for him.*Cashman was criticized by some for not going out and getting Washburn to help the team. I was in favor of sticking with what we had and so were some of you. Washburn is 1-2 with a 6.81 ERA in six starts for the Tigers. He has allowed 11 homers in 37 innings. They also wanted our supposed CF of the future in Austin Jackson. Like I have been saying, spending a decent amount on mediocrity is not what the Yankees should do. Get specialists, get stars and surround them with your own young talent.
Whatever happened to cobalt?Enjoy this team, it seems if people can't complain they don't show up! I feel like I should go back and get some of the crazy quotes on this board
40 games over .500.Starting Pitchers: A+My sides...
He moved, got married, honeymooned, and started a new job.Yanks are doing awesome.Not much to talk about. Yanks are playing great. Now it all rides on their postseason.Not much posting here, I guess we should just be enjoying this ride as the Yanks are almost a lock to break 100 wins and have been winning at a great .750 clip in the 2nd half of the year.Id still take Washburn over Mitre or Gaudin. God forbid there is an injury to CC, AJ, or Pettitte then well have one of them pitching in the postseason. Obviously I wouldnt have traded Jackson for him.*Cashman was criticized by some for not going out and getting Washburn to help the team. I was in favor of sticking with what we had and so were some of you. Washburn is 1-2 with a 6.81 ERA in six starts for the Tigers. He has allowed 11 homers in 37 innings. They also wanted our supposed CF of the future in Austin Jackson. Like I have been saying, spending a decent amount on mediocrity is not what the Yankees should do. Get specialists, get stars and surround them with your own young talent.Whatever happened to cobalt?Enjoy this team, it seems if people can't complain they don't show up! I feel like I should go back and get some of the crazy quotes on this board
201 million dollar payroll40 games over .500.:X My sides...Starting Pitchers: A+![]()
Oh come on. I can maybe see you thinking they MIGHT NOT win it all. But they don't feel like a contender???BTW, ESPN had some stupid poll yesterday about which team has the best starting 1-2 punch for playoff contenders.Yanks are doing awesome.Not anything I expected. I remain skeptical. Can't explain it. No data to support it. Just doen't feel like a WS contender.
Oh come on. I can maybe see you thinking they MIGHT NOT win it all. But they don't feel like a contender???BTW, ESPN had some stupid poll yesterday about which team has the best starting 1-2 punch for playoff contenders.Yanks are doing awesome.Not anything I expected. I remain skeptical. Can't explain it. No data to support it. Just doen't feel like a WS contender.
They listed Sabathia and Burnett as our options. I have a hard time believing Andy would not get the ball in every game 2.
congratsI also am very nervous about facing Verlander & Jackson in the first round. But to say they dont feel like a WS contendor is ridiculous. They have the best record in baseball by at least 5 games.He moved, got married, honeymooned, and started a new job.Yanks are doing awesome.Not much to talk about. Yanks are playing great. Now it all rides on their postseason.Not much posting here, I guess we should just be enjoying this ride as the Yanks are almost a lock to break 100 wins and have been winning at a great .750 clip in the 2nd half of the year.Id still take Washburn over Mitre or Gaudin. God forbid there is an injury to CC, AJ, or Pettitte then well have one of them pitching in the postseason. Obviously I wouldnt have traded Jackson for him.*Cashman was criticized by some for not going out and getting Washburn to help the team. I was in favor of sticking with what we had and so were some of you. Washburn is 1-2 with a 6.81 ERA in six starts for the Tigers. He has allowed 11 homers in 37 innings. They also wanted our supposed CF of the future in Austin Jackson. Like I have been saying, spending a decent amount on mediocrity is not what the Yankees should do. Get specialists, get stars and surround them with your own young talent.Whatever happened to cobalt?Enjoy this team, it seems if people can't complain they don't show up! I feel like I should go back and get some of the crazy quotes on this boardNot anything I expected. I remain skeptical. Can't explain it. No data to support it. Just doen't feel like a WS contender. Hope I'm wrong.
congratsI also am very nervous about facing Verlander & Jackson in the first round. But to say they dont feel like a WS contendor is ridiculous. They have the best record in baseball by at least 5 games.