Darth Cheney
Footballguy
It's not a reach that there are a number of players in the HOF that are partially there because of who they had as teammates. I don't anyone would disagree with this.Bogart said:
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
Uh, guy. I asked if you were guessing because you were wrong. We weren't talking top 5 in the AL only. Secondly, could you possibly come up with any more ifs or buts? You're entire argument is based on hypotheticals. Which is the typical anti-Jeter approach. Do you even watch baseball?Bogart said:
Bogart
Footballguy
I appreciate you forgoing any stats or facts to support your side of the debate and going straight to the "Why you hatin' on Jeter?" and "Do you even watch baseball?" arguments. I always find those to be very solid and winning in every baseball discussion.My original statement was "he is in the top 5 every season for ABs". I didn't say AL, NL, MLB, or freakin Little League. When you decide to interpret it another way and decide I am wrong that is your choice. It was a simple statement to say he gets a lot more opportunities for hits than the average major leaguer. The opportunity comes from being a very good player playing on a very good team, hitting at the top of their lineup.
The hypothetical situations were all very pro-Jeter to show what could happen if he played on another team, like the Pirates. I agree with MB when he says you really need to take the numbers for every number 2 hitter for Pitt and then compare. Those numbers would be even worse for Jeter. His numbers simply would not match up. And again, I am not a Jeter hater. I think I made that very clear earlier that I think he is a really, really good player. (And any guy that can decide which is better: Biel or Alba is a good in my book.) But they don't call it the Hall of Really Really Good. It's the Hall of Fame. Jeter was never the top player in the league for the year, was never the best at his position for any extended time at all, probably still not even the best SS on his own team. (Of course this is all my opinion, which means I'm wrong and probably a terrorist because it is anti-Yankee).
As for 3000 hits, I think this number is going to go the way of 500 HRs. It will not be a sure fire way to get in the Hall. You are going to find guys that reach the number due to how games are played now, but not Hall worthy. One of my favorites is Mike Young. As of today he is at 1500 hits. He has averaged over 200 hits a year for the past 6 years. His style is one where the power will go down, but the average, lack of walks, and therefore the hits will still be there. The guy is a professional and will play where he is asked, so I could see a career until he is 40. That is going to put him near the 3000 mark. But he will never be a Hall of Famer, never.
If you want to throw some other empty insults and comments my way that is fine, but I'm pretty much done. Thanks for playing.
Update?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
The good news is that at least the Yanks still get to bat 8 more times....
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
The bad news.... the top of the second might not end.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
How embarrassing.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
COME ON LET'S GET THEM BACK!!!! THE BALL WILL CARRY FOR US TOO!!!!!
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
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Finless
Footballguy
Why can't I find this game on my tv? Did Hank have it pulled?
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Bogart, I'm sorry if I came off as insulting. I apologize.
Was Jeter ever the best player in the sport? No. He had a few seasons where he was damn close though. 98, 99, and 06 were all MVP caliber seasons. I felt he got jobbed in 06 and should have won the MVP that year. I can think of many players who are in Cooperstown who were never the absolute best player in the game. I can also name a few players who were the best for a short period of time who are not, nor will not ever be in the HOF. It's not mandatory criteria.
Anyone can go to baseball reference and look at the stats. I don't need to post them. I think that the combination of his regular season numbers coupled with what he's done in the postseason will be more than enough to make him a first ballot HOFer. I could be wrong. I just don't see how he doesn't make it.
Was Jeter ever the best player in the sport? No. He had a few seasons where he was damn close though. 98, 99, and 06 were all MVP caliber seasons. I felt he got jobbed in 06 and should have won the MVP that year. I can think of many players who are in Cooperstown who were never the absolute best player in the game. I can also name a few players who were the best for a short period of time who are not, nor will not ever be in the HOF. It's not mandatory criteria.
Anyone can go to baseball reference and look at the stats. I don't need to post them. I think that the combination of his regular season numbers coupled with what he's done in the postseason will be more than enough to make him a first ballot HOFer. I could be wrong. I just don't see how he doesn't make it.
Fox broadcast. Maybe you're getting the Rockies/Dodgers?
Finless
Footballguy
Yep....lame. I'd much rather watch the Yankees get pummeled.
Homer @ RJ
Footballguy
best pitching staff in the game. 
Bogart
Footballguy
No hard feelings. That is what makes this sport so great. It allows for the best debates. Good times.And Jeter gets in, no doubt. And I have no leg to stand on when it comes to SS in the HoF. My baseball hero is Rabbit Maranville. There is a stat page that does not belong.
Finless
Footballguy
A+best pitching staff in the game.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Someone's gotta get plunked here, no?
Spartans346
Footballguy
20-2 this is hilarious! How about those suckers who are paying 2K for a front row seat to witness a butt-whipping.
Honus
Footballguy
At least they're going to get to use them for around five hours.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And you bring in Matsui to do what, risk making the knee worse?
Girardi isn't going to be there much longer.
Girardi isn't going to be there much longer.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Indians are on a 20-0 run.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Guess the "mysterious injury" which Wang develops in the next four hours.... win a prize.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I strongly dislike the Yankee's.
I love Jeter as a player, he's in on the first.
About the 3300 hits, I don't think he gets there. Do people really think he'll move to the OF, or even DH? He'll move to 3rd, but I think it stops there.
I love Jeter as a player, he's in on the first.
About the 3300 hits, I don't think he gets there. Do people really think he'll move to the OF, or even DH? He'll move to 3rd, but I think it stops there.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Looking at the brightside, tomorrow's Cleveland starter is none other than Carl Pavano.
Holy ####. Cleveland didn't score this inning.
ETA: Two straight scoreless! I think the pen has officially turned the corner.
Holy ####. Cleveland didn't score this inning.
ETA: Two straight scoreless! I think the pen has officially turned the corner.
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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
BoltThrower
Footballguy
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Get that Wang some viagra!
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Payback time today vs. Pavano. In so many ways. I expect AJ to be a stopper again. If they don't win today and pound Pavano in the process, I'll be officially concerned.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Wedge couldn't possibly make the same mistake he did in Texas, could he?
blackjack23
Footballguy
Im an idiot
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Why did you get suspended this time?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Pavano getting a W today would be a fitting ending to the opening series, wouldn't it?
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
I would rather have taken 3 of 4, but a split will have to do.
blackjack23
Footballguy
cuz i told a guy to have sex with his wifeNY/NJMFDIVER said:
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Wow. It's not often that people would prefer to win more games. Thanks for the update.
Woogie Lee
Footballguy
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Interesting game Sunday. Burnett had trouble throwing his curveball for strikes, which allowed a good fastball hitting team like Cleveland to sit on his fastball. Burnett also had trouble spotting anything else as he walked 7 and hit a batter.
The Yanks were hitting Pavano fairly hard but couldn’t hit any holes.
Texiera made a great backhanded play against Martinez to save a run. Cano made a good play that started a DP and Ransom made some nice plays in the field…good glove work by the team. I do have to say that Molina was sloppy with his footwork and blocks and should have done a better job.
1st and 2nd nobody out in the 6th inning and Jeter steps to the plate with the Yanks down 3-1. I felt this was a good time to bunt. Girardi didn’t and Jeter hit into a DP. Not a terrible move, but it seemed like the thing to do there. The part that bothered me was Jeter taking an 85 MPH pitch right down the middle before hitting into the DP. Later that inning after Damon and Texiera got on base Swisher was up with the bases loaded. Pavano was leaving a lot of pitches up in the stroke zone and his fastball had lost its mustard. It was clear to everyone, except Swisher that Pavano was going to be throwing off speed to him, but he still was looking for the fastball and predictably went down swinging.
On to the play of the game…My take on Posada’s reviewed home run was that they got it right. The way I saw it, the guy in the Yankee hat (the guy on the right) had his glove and open right hand out in front of him with the palms up and the everyone missed the ball causing the ball to hit off of his right hand and then onto the top of the wall and then back into fair territory. The only part I had trouble seeing was whether or not the guy in the green hat interfered with the RF’r, but it appeared that he just missed the ball or couldn’t reach it. I watched it many times and that was my conclusion. I do think that this seems to be a reasonable way to use instant replay, even though I am not a fan of it.
The Ransom double clearing the bases in the 8th was an odd play also. It was surprising that he broke his bat on that swing and it was just as surprising how far off the line Choo was playing. He had a long run to get there and while he eased up, I do not think he could have reached it, but it was hard to tell?
Bruney and Rivera were sharp again! Also, a huge high five needs to go to Albaladejo! He got a much deserved win by coming into the game with the bases loaded and 1 out and getting both DeRosa and Martinez to keep the game alive.
Boston won and TB lost which puts the Yankees in 2nd place (barely)
The Yanks were hitting Pavano fairly hard but couldn’t hit any holes.
Texiera made a great backhanded play against Martinez to save a run. Cano made a good play that started a DP and Ransom made some nice plays in the field…good glove work by the team. I do have to say that Molina was sloppy with his footwork and blocks and should have done a better job.
1st and 2nd nobody out in the 6th inning and Jeter steps to the plate with the Yanks down 3-1. I felt this was a good time to bunt. Girardi didn’t and Jeter hit into a DP. Not a terrible move, but it seemed like the thing to do there. The part that bothered me was Jeter taking an 85 MPH pitch right down the middle before hitting into the DP. Later that inning after Damon and Texiera got on base Swisher was up with the bases loaded. Pavano was leaving a lot of pitches up in the stroke zone and his fastball had lost its mustard. It was clear to everyone, except Swisher that Pavano was going to be throwing off speed to him, but he still was looking for the fastball and predictably went down swinging.
On to the play of the game…My take on Posada’s reviewed home run was that they got it right. The way I saw it, the guy in the Yankee hat (the guy on the right) had his glove and open right hand out in front of him with the palms up and the everyone missed the ball causing the ball to hit off of his right hand and then onto the top of the wall and then back into fair territory. The only part I had trouble seeing was whether or not the guy in the green hat interfered with the RF’r, but it appeared that he just missed the ball or couldn’t reach it. I watched it many times and that was my conclusion. I do think that this seems to be a reasonable way to use instant replay, even though I am not a fan of it.
The Ransom double clearing the bases in the 8th was an odd play also. It was surprising that he broke his bat on that swing and it was just as surprising how far off the line Choo was playing. He had a long run to get there and while he eased up, I do not think he could have reached it, but it was hard to tell?
Bruney and Rivera were sharp again! Also, a huge high five needs to go to Albaladejo! He got a much deserved win by coming into the game with the bases loaded and 1 out and getting both DeRosa and Martinez to keep the game alive.
Boston won and TB lost which puts the Yankees in 2nd place (barely)
Reaper
Footballguy
I laughed.Given the circumstances.Besides, I've seen the same shtick around here without the insanely ridiculous beatings in the losses.....blackjack23
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
He allowed 3 hits
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Hmm, what was the context? Thats a tough spot, low long is the trip to the penalty box?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I rarely squawk about guys getting "squeezed" but they really seemed to give him a matchbox strike zone yesterday. I think the curve from him is more effective ahead in the count, and he was behind all day today, so guys were able to lay off. I really like what I see of him so far though, as far as a bulldog mentality. He was not going down in that Baltimore game, even when on the ropes, he came back and shut down TB in the eighth once they got him his lead back, and he came back out for the 7th yesterday when he seemed pretty gassed after the 6th to me. The guy competes and he definately wasn't sharp yesterday but if he stays healthy, he's gonna be a star around here.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Uh, no it isn't. When you are looking for only one pitch it is much easier to be selective and not swing at pitches out of the strike zone. Therefore, you didn't see Cleveland swing at fastballs out of the strike zone and they walked a lot. Further, if Garko wasn't able to sit dead red on the inside fastball by Burnett he would not have been able to turn on that pitch. They also hit some decent shots for outs.He allowed 3 hits
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I agree with your thoughts on Burnett. His stuff is elite
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Sorry, I thought "All things considered..." was understood here.Is the Radon in your Mom's basement starting to cloud your common sense?
