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**Official YANKEES 2009 Thread** (1 Viewer)

Good day for the Yanks. They get a win, they get some good news on Nady and they flashed some leather in the field!

Pettitte was not as sharp, but did get some good help in the field by an outstanding catch in CF by Gardner. Brett went a long way back on a ball that was hit from Giambi and what made it extremely hard was the ball was hit right at Brett. It saved at least one run and it was clear to me that no other Yankee CF’r in the past 10 years would have caught that ball.

Texiera has showed some very smooth leather as well over the past week. He made a heads up play tonight with 1st and 3rd and nobody out, he went picked a grounder close to the bag, stepped on the bag and threw home to pull off a double play! His glove is very good.

The news about Nady is that he will be trying rehabilitation instead of surgery and could begin hitting in 3 weeks with a return in 6-8 weeks. Now, I am not sure if his arm will be strong enough to play a lot of outfield, but even having him on the bench to hit against lefties would be a plus. This is very good news for the team, if he can make the rehab work.

I know Cody Ransom has some homers in him, but one would think we would have more than he can provide as a fill in?

Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte are now tied for the most win/save combination in major league history. Their next win and save will put them on top of the list! They have 57 now, tying them with Bob Welch and Dennis Eckersley.

Two games above .500 for the first time this year. I hope we never look back!

 
Reaper said:
Liquid Tension said:
I know Cody Ransom has some homers in him, but one would think we would have more than he can provide as a fill in?
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I'm finding this to be unbelievable... This guy is good for nothing.
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I know Pena can't hit, but he can field better at least...I just find it hard to believe that we don't have anyone better?
 
Good to see the Yankees come through with an extra inning win on Thursday, but I want to focus on a few of the negatives.

What the heck was Melky swinging at with bases loaded and nobody out? Seriously, that was about as high as any pitch I have ever seen a major leaguer swing at.

Last year CC Sabathia walked four or more batters just three times in 35 starts, but he's already equaled that total in his four Yankees starts. That is a hard one to figure out.

Michael Kay is starting to bother me with his terrible feel for hits off the bat. Everything is “driven” and he has no idea of how deep the ball will go.

I do need to say that Veras pitched great!

I want to go back on something I have noticed. Gardner is blazing fast and steals bases at a high %, but he better start learning to read pitchers moves better. He gets poor jumps and just outruns the ball. If he starts to learn how to read pitchers, he would be a monster.

Tied with Boston (who has won 7 in a row) at 9-6; should be a fun weekend of baseball!

 
Liquid Tension said:
Good to see the Yankees come through with an extra inning win on Thursday, but I want to focus on a few of the negatives.What the heck was Melky swinging at with bases loaded and nobody out? Seriously, that was about as high as any pitch I have ever seen a major leaguer swing at.Last year CC Sabathia walked four or more batters just three times in 35 starts, but he's already equaled that total in his four Yankees starts. That is a hard one to figure out.Michael Kay is starting to bother me with his terrible feel for hits off the bat. Everything is “driven” and he has no idea of how deep the ball will go.I do need to say that Veras pitched great!I want to go back on something I have noticed. Gardner is blazing fast and steals bases at a high %, but he better start learning to read pitchers moves better. He gets poor jumps and just outruns the ball. If he starts to learn how to read pitchers, he would be a monster. Tied with Boston (who has won 7 in a row) at 9-6; should be a fun weekend of baseball!
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Just to pile in on that old queen Kay, he had somebody out on a fastball strikeout when it was plainly a curve. Not a huge deal, but why are you saying anything if you don't know what pitch it was?
 
i love how there is no talk in here after that heartbreaking loss. i'm really looking forward to today's game! should be a gem.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
i love how there is no talk in here after that heartbreaking loss. i'm really looking forward to today's game! should be a gem.
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What can you say, our best got beat? Hopefully that does it for Mariano's annual Fenway meltdown.Boston would be wise to open up some distance on the Yanks while they're playing so many april road games and awaiting some of this injuries to shakeoff. But two of the 4 biggest pieces for Boston don't quite look the same in Papelbon and Papi, so maybe the Nation needs to worry about its own house.And it may be sour grapes, but the yanks should have been blown out of that game far sooner, Joba gave up a ton of atom balls that turned into DPs. Would have loved last nights game, but if they pick up a split in the next two, I'll be content.Big time bummer about Bruney though, I hope its just a short term thing. He was looking like 1996-Mariano early on here.
 
Last night's loss was heartbreaking but Ill forget about it pretty quickly if we can still somehow take the series. Yanks with some injury news. Ransom torn quad placed on 60 day DL, (no big loss). Berroa called up. Bruney inflamed elbow flexor, doesnt sound like it will be a big deal, likely 2-3 week injury. Melancon called up ;) . Humberto Sanchez DFA'd.

I dont blame last nights loss on Mariano (even though he blew the save) nor Marte (he actually looked pretty good until throwing a fastball right down the plate to the hottest hitter in baseball) and I like the new emotional Marte. I blame the loss on leaving the bases loaded and nobody out in the 9th. As soon as they did that I turned to my wife and said theyre gonna lose this game. Why did I say that? Because the same exact thing happened two years ago in a Friday night game in Fenway. They left the bases loaded with nobody out in like the 8th inning and Cocoa Crisp got a huge triple to tie the game and Mariano blew the save in the 8th.

 
Hmm, seemed pretty suprising that after a rather pedestrian three innings, EVERYBODY got their hitting shoes on at once here. Burnett could have tanked off a cliff, he could have been tipping pitches, but the NEXT time these two meet up, I would look very hard the possibility of sign stealing going on. Might be paranoid, too big and operation and too much player movement to conceal, but I can only think that their explosion is "interesting", as was Varitek's coming out of his shoes to hit a 97 mph fastball

 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Hmm, seemed pretty suprising that after a rather pedestrian three innings, EVERYBODY got their hitting shoes on at once here. Burnett could have tanked off a cliff, he could have been tipping pitches, but the NEXT time these two meet up, I would look very hard the possibility of sign stealing going on. Might be paranoid, too big and operation and too much player movement to conceal, but I can only think that their explosion is "interesting", as was Varitek's coming out of his shoes to hit a 97 mph fastball
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Or maybe its just the fact that the yanks bullpen is atrocious (not sure why aj fell apart like that)
 
Heartbreaking letting a couple of big leads like that disintegrate. Might be time to bump the "rebuilding" thread.

 
Yankees have now given up the most runs in the league

Their bullpen ERA is the worst...by 3.46 runs :lmao:

 
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I've complained as much as anyone that these guys failed to get a bullpen over the last few years, but you can't blame the front office for this season. After the performances of Veras, Coke and Bruney last year, the assumed return to form of Marte, and the presence of Mo, I don't think many people expected the pen to pitch this poorly.

And that said, all relievers are going to go through rough stretches. It's entirely possible that theirs are all coming at one time and that they'll be fine over the long haul. It amazes me how many people on this board think a baseball season lasts two weeks. Is the bullpen a concern? Sure. But if they had a 0.00 ERA to this point, that doesn't meant they'd keep THAT up either.

A significant regression to the mean is in order here, unless of course you honestly feel the Yankees team ERA will stand at 6.41 for the season. :rolleyes:

 
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blackjack23 said:
Oof! said:
blackjack23 said:
Jesus this is gonna be a depressing weekend season
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Fixed.But, that's only if you were deluded enough to think they would be any good this year.
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You have paid attention to this atrocious bullpen, right? And, the completely inept outfield?
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Swisher and Damon are hitting the ball really well. And I didnt see your prediction of the atrocious bullpen before the season? Many people thought it was a strength. Easy to speak up now after the fact.
 
Another thing...

The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.

And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.

 
Michael Brown said:
Another thing...The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.
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I wouldve said all those things two days ago and at 9-6 I wouldve been ecstatic. But this bullpen is a HUGE problem with Bruney being hurt. The injuries have really hurt this team so far. Im not gonna sit here and say Ive given up but a bad bullpen can ruin a team's entire season and take ALOT of the energy from the team. Just look at the Mets last year. Maybe Melancon can help. Who knows? Also Im looking forward to seeing Hughes on Tuesday and seeing if he puts it all together. He was dominant in the minors again.
 
Michael Brown said:
Another thing...The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.
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your 9 wins are against bal, kc, tb, cle & oak who have a combined 38-52 record. i agree with you though, that y'all have done better than expected without aroid & the pitching woes.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
Michael Brown said:
Another thing...The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.
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your 9 wins are against bal, kc, tb, cle & oak who have a combined 38-52 record. i agree with you though, that y'all have done better than expected without aroid & the pitching woes.
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Yeah, if we had gotten blown out of the building against you guys I'd be concerned. Fact is, a lead in the 9th and a 6-0 lead the next day are both situations I'd sign for every time. We all know crazy stuff happens when these two get together and as long as we're in games against the good teams and hitting the good pitchers, I feel the wins will eventually follow. I hope!
 
blackjack23 said:
Michael Brown said:
Another thing...The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.
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I wouldve said all those things two days ago and at 9-6 I wouldve been ecstatic. But this bullpen is a HUGE problem with Bruney being hurt. The injuries have really hurt this team so far. Im not gonna sit here and say Ive given up but a bad bullpen can ruin a team's entire season and take ALOT of the energy from the team. Just look at the Mets last year. Maybe Melancon can help. Who knows? Also Im looking forward to seeing Hughes on Tuesday and seeing if he puts it all together. He was dominant in the minors again.
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Oh please, this "bullpen thing" is blown totally out of proportion. They've gotten lit up in a few games to excess, but how many games have been "blown" that they should have won? They've gotten torched with tack-on runs in blowouts. The rubber match in KC? Fine, blown game. Friday with Mo? Well, Mo will occasionally lose games, and I'd bet most teams lose extra inning games on the road. The hottest hitter in the AL took their "lefty specialist" deep. The pen's got ugly numbers, but has more or less been there as needed. Would you be happier with a 3.55 era and 5 blown saves? As for yesterday, I guess you hang that on the pen, which was gassed after back to back extra inning games, but when the 80 million dollar man can't hold a 6-0 in a park he had a .40 ERA in, I have more issues than the bullpen. Girardi is managing the pen like a fonzanoon, but bullpens look so much better when starters start to give you 7 innings.
 
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Smack Tripper said:
blackjack23 said:
Michael Brown said:
Another thing...The Yankees have the worst ERA in baseball right now and haven't had A-Rod in the lineup for a single game. Their bullpen has been a mess, and they've just suffered two crushing losses to their archrivals. Their projected #3 starter, a guy counted on for 30+ starts and 16-18 wins, has been put on the DL because he's been the worst pitcher in all of baseball. Their starting RF hasn't played in a week and was feared out for the season, and even if he does come back he could still be hurt. Their prized FA signing has a 12/14 strikeout to walk ratio, and their other big-ticket FA has missed time and is hitting .235.And they're still 9-8, on pace for 86 wins. Honestly, if you'd have told me all of the above I would expect them to have been a whole hell of a lot further out than 3 measly games. These guys have been a complete and utter mess to this point, and are still above .500. This team is going to go on a looooong run at some point.
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I wouldve said all those things two days ago and at 9-6 I wouldve been ecstatic. But this bullpen is a HUGE problem with Bruney being hurt. The injuries have really hurt this team so far. Im not gonna sit here and say Ive given up but a bad bullpen can ruin a team's entire season and take ALOT of the energy from the team. Just look at the Mets last year. Maybe Melancon can help. Who knows? Also Im looking forward to seeing Hughes on Tuesday and seeing if he puts it all together. He was dominant in the minors again.
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Oh please, this "bullpen thing" is blown totally out of proportion. They've gotten lit up in a few games to excess, but how many games have been "blown" that they should have won? They've gotten torched with tack-on runs in blowouts. The rubber match in KC? Fine, blown game. Friday with Mo? Well, Mo will occasionally lose games, and I'd bet most teams lose extra inning games on the road. The hottest hitter in the AL took their "lefty specialist" deep. The pen's got ugly numbers, but has more or less been there as needed. Would you be happier with a 3.55 era and 5 blown saves? As for yesterday, I guess you hang that on the pen, which was gassed after back to back extra inning games, but when the 80 million dollar man can't hold a 6-0 in a park he had a .40 ERA in, I have more issues than the bullpen. Girardi is managing the pen like a fonzanoon, but bullpens look so much better when starters start to give you 7 innings.
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I hope you are right. But by my count (and you counted the same 3 games) the bullpen has blown 3 games. They have 8 losses. 3 of those loses were were all on Wang and 3 of their other 5 losses are due to the pen. So 60% of their "normal" losses are due to the bullpen. Thats bad.
 
These guys need to bring up Hughes. Some Yankees fans were trumpeting him as the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years back.

 
Not that it matters, but when the bases were loaded and I saw pettitte in his full windup I said he better pay attention to Ellsbury or hell steal home just like Toronto did to him two years ago. Lo and behold. BTW Posada is an absolute ####in dreadful defensive catcher. People abuse Jeter but Posada never gets criticized like he should. Horrible

 
blackjack23 said:
Not that it matters, but when the bases were loaded and I saw pettitte in his full windup I said he better pay attention to Ellsbury or hell steal home just like Toronto did to him two years ago. Lo and behold. BTW Posada is an absolute ####in dreadful defensive catcher. People abuse Jeter but Posada never gets criticized like he should. Horrible
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Well what would you have him do, Pettitte didn't step off, he had to make sure the batter wasn't going to swing and blast him into retirement. Not defending his overall defense per say, which I think is average, and while it doesn't bring the club anything, it doesn't cost them too substantially given his bat, but I can't see how he could have handled that particularly play different. Thats a live ball there.
 
Smack Tripper said:
blackjack23 said:
Not that it matters, but when the bases were loaded and I saw pettitte in his full windup I said he better pay attention to Ellsbury or hell steal home just like Toronto did to him two years ago. Lo and behold. BTW Posada is an absolute ####in dreadful defensive catcher. People abuse Jeter but Posada never gets criticized like he should. Horrible
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Well what would you have him do, Pettitte didn't step off, he had to make sure the batter wasn't going to swing and blast him into retirement. Not defending his overall defense per say, which I think is average, and while it doesn't bring the club anything, it doesn't cost them too substantially given his bat, but I can't see how he could have handled that particularly play different. Thats a live ball there.
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Posada didnt even notice Ellsbury was stealing. Seriously.
 
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These guys need to bring up Hughes. Some Yankees fans were trumpeting him as the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years back.
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I wonder if those same Yankee fans have reconsidered their position of not wanting to trade Hughes + garbage for Santana. I mean, he's The Future and all.Thank goodness that never happened.

 
blackjack23 said:
Finless said:
blackjack23 said:
Finless said:
These guys need to bring up Hughes. Some Yankees fans were trumpeting him as the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years back.
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:thumbup: Hes starting Tuesday
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Oh, awesome. I've got him rostered in 6 leagues.Any thoughts on sending CC down for a few weeks? He needs to work on his mechanics a bit.
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They might ship him to the bullpen for a week to work them out.
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Sabathia warming in the pen


 
blackjack23 said:
Smack Tripper said:
blackjack23 said:
Not that it matters, but when the bases were loaded and I saw pettitte in his full windup I said he better pay attention to Ellsbury or hell steal home just like Toronto did to him two years ago. Lo and behold. BTW Posada is an absolute ####in dreadful defensive catcher. People abuse Jeter but Posada never gets criticized like he should. Horrible
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Well what would you have him do, Pettitte didn't step off, he had to make sure the batter wasn't going to swing and blast him into retirement. Not defending his overall defense per say, which I think is average, and while it doesn't bring the club anything, it doesn't cost them too substantially given his bat, but I can't see how he could have handled that particularly play different. Thats a live ball there.
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Posada didnt even notice Ellsbury was stealing. Seriously.
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Come on, watch the replay, he looks to his left and elevates out of the crouch. Andy didn't have an eye on him or a grip apparently to throw a fastball. It was a smart baseball play by Elisbury, nothing Posada could have done to prevent that. Pettitte in the wind, Berroa playing shortstop, speedy runner and a lefty bat, perfect storm.
 
cobalt_27 said:
Finless said:
These guys need to bring up Hughes. Some Yankees fans were trumpeting him as the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years back.
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I wonder if those same Yankee fans have reconsidered their position of not wanting to trade Hughes + garbage for Santana. I mean, he's The Future and all.Thank goodness that never happened.
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If you think the NL East dominance would have translated to the AL East, you're nuts. Personally, if the debate is Johan + 150 mil or CC + 160 mil + Hughes, CC and Phil anytime.

 
& by the way, a big thank you to the yankees! the sweep, especially the way those first 2 games went down, was the only good thing to happen this weekend, in my sporting world.

sucks to be the fbg, raider nation right now. :shrug: :fishing: :shrug:

 
Smack Tripper said:
cobalt_27 said:
Finless said:
These guys need to bring up Hughes. Some Yankees fans were trumpeting him as the best pitching prospect in baseball a few years back.
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I wonder if those same Yankee fans have reconsidered their position of not wanting to trade Hughes + garbage for Santana. I mean, he's The Future and all.Thank goodness that never happened.
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If you think the NL East dominance would have translated to the AL East, you're nuts. Personally, if the debate is Johan + 150 mil or CC + 160 mil + Hughes, CC and Phil anytime.
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Shouldn't it be Johan + CC vs CC, Burnett, Hughes since they still could have signed CC this offseason. Hell it might been Johan, CC, Burnett vs. CC, Burnett, Pettitte.
 
Smack Tripper said:
blackjack23 said:
Smack Tripper said:
blackjack23 said:
Not that it matters, but when the bases were loaded and I saw pettitte in his full windup I said he better pay attention to Ellsbury or hell steal home just like Toronto did to him two years ago. Lo and behold. BTW Posada is an absolute ####in dreadful defensive catcher. People abuse Jeter but Posada never gets criticized like he should. Horrible
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Well what would you have him do, Pettitte didn't step off, he had to make sure the batter wasn't going to swing and blast him into retirement. Not defending his overall defense per say, which I think is average, and while it doesn't bring the club anything, it doesn't cost them too substantially given his bat, but I can't see how he could have handled that particularly play different. Thats a live ball there.
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Posada didnt even notice Ellsbury was stealing. Seriously.
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Come on, watch the replay, he looks to his left and elevates out of the crouch. Andy didn't have an eye on him or a grip apparently to throw a fastball. It was a smart baseball play by Elisbury, nothing Posada could have done to prevent that. Pettitte in the wind, Berroa playing shortstop, speedy runner and a lefty bat, perfect storm.
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:thumbdown: It was all on the full delivery by Petitte. The only thing that made it close was Ellsbury's slight stumble. SWEET steal; no faulk on Posada here...
 
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