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**Official YANKEES 2009 Thread** (2 Viewers)
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I don't want Wang to stay in the bullpen forever, all I am saying is that at this point I would have left him in the bullpen until they needed someone in the rotation. between injuries, pitch counts and ineffectiveness Hughes has not been given any legitimate chance to get into a rhythm and moving him made no sense to me.Bummer about your tickets, but if it is washed out you can go on a better day in the future!
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Game ppd tonight, just got an email from yankees.com
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gump
Footballguy
Dam...no Longoria.Price v CC in the Bronx...glad my Sat afternoon is clear!
gump
Footballguy
Wow...that was a 3.5 hour roller-coaster.Price v CC in the Bronx...glad my Sat afternoon is clear!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
One of the sloppier games played all year. The umps were bad as well. The ump behind the plate was very tight all game and then calls two pitches strikes against Posada that were balls all game. Posada thought he was struck out earlier but the ump had called that a ball all game (Sabathia didn't get that call all game and on the 3 run homer it hurt him as well. The Melky play at first was really close. At first I thought out and then the last freeze frame looked like his heel/instep might have been on the bag before the ball hit the back of the glove...either way the ump could have called him and not been wrong...the Yanks caught the break there though as they got the coin flip. TB's defense was awful as they should have turned two on that play but the throw to 2nd was very high. Then the Yanks had their own share of bad plays.A lot of people were down on Rivera, but I think his stuff was OK. I am not a fan of the game calling of Cervelli though. He needs to understand these are not minor leaguers. What I didn't like was taking Rivera out. I would have let him go one more batter but Girardi gave up on the game and he shouldn't have.BTW, the Yanks had plenty of really good pitches to hit in good counts and they just missed them. Swisher had some very hittable pitches and just missed themWow...that was a 3.5 hour roller-coaster.Price v CC in the Bronx...glad my Sat afternoon is clear!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Back in first! Once again I felt like the Yanks were in real good hitters counts and had excellent pitches to hit, but were not able to take advantage of them. Good to see Rivera get back on the hill..man what a professional he is. I like the way Posada calls the game with Rivera much better than Cervelli. That one time he overrules Rivera who normally just agrees. Posada was right when Rivera hit his spot it was a swinging strike.One of the sloppier games played all year. The umps were bad as well. The ump behind the plate was very tight all game and then calls two pitches strikes against Posada that were balls all game. Posada thought he was struck out earlier but the ump had called that a ball all game (Sabathia didn't get that call all game and on the 3 run homer it hurt him as well. The Melky play at first was really close. At first I thought out and then the last freeze frame looked like his heel/instep might have been on the bag before the ball hit the back of the glove...either way the ump could have called him and not been wrong...the Yanks caught the break there though as they got the coin flip. TB's defense was awful as they should have turned two on that play but the throw to 2nd was very high. Then the Yanks had their own share of bad plays.A lot of people were down on Rivera, but I think his stuff was OK. I am not a fan of the game calling of Cervelli though. He needs to understand these are not minor leaguers. What I didn't like was taking Rivera out. I would have let him go one more batter but Girardi gave up on the game and he shouldn't have.BTW, the Yanks had plenty of really good pitches to hit in good counts and they just missed them. Swisher had some very hittable pitches and just missed themWow...that was a 3.5 hour roller-coaster.Price v CC in the Bronx...glad my Sat afternoon is clear!
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
That was one of the faster games the Yankees have played in. I wouldn’t expect the Red Sox games to be the same. The Yankees did what they had to and beat an injured team at home. The truth is the Yanks could have scored more against Sonnanstine, but they hit a lot of balls on the screws at people and also had a few long drives.
I will critique the moves from a manager (both good and bad) but I will never hindsight manage. One of the moves I did not like that worked out was taking Hughes out of the game. My thoughts were that he blew away TB’s 1-3 hitters, he is a guy who could easily pitch 2+ innings and I thought the Yanks would get a few more runs off of Sonnanstine and Hughes could have closed out the last 3 innings resting Rivera for the Red Sox series. Coke got the job done after a walk and then the move is clearly to go to Rivera. I would have played it differently, but it worked.
ARod has still yet to take an outside pitch to right field. He did homer to right center which got everyone excited that he was back (you probably remember my comment about hits to right as well) but that homer was in the center of the plate and he was just a little late. This is not the same as driving an outer half pitch to right. You can see he is pulling outside pitches to the left side and getting out consistently. He is a great hitter and can still hit well pulling the ball, but if pitchers keep throwing breaking pitches on the outer half he won’t be consistently good until he starts to drive them the opposite way.
Jeter has been playing about as good a defense as he is capable of playing.
Posada called a very good game today. Pettitte missed his spots on a few occasions and the big blow was the Kapler HR after a possible strike 3 on the previous pitch. Posada wanted the ball in and Pettitte left it out over the plate
Veterans of this blog remember one of the biggest issues I had with Torre was his terrible managing of bullpen and I had an issue with his handling of the lefty specialist Randy Choate. I won’t retread old issues but a lefty specialist should have been used against one lefty or possibly 2 of 3 in a lineup and then you get him out. Even with Torre leaving him sometimes for a few innings, Choate still was very tough on lefties, including a fantastic year in 2002 where he limited lefties to an OPS of only .372!!! Of course, Torre let him face twice as many righties as lefties and those guys lit him up so people would think Choate was not very good. Anyway, Choate is back after some arm troubles and made Damon look silly and so far has retired every lefty he has faced this year (OK it is only 7 batters, but …)
OPS update
Posada’s OPS is 2nd in baseball among catchers with at least 100 AB’s.
Surprisingly, Texiera is 7th overall for 1st baseman, but he did start out poorly
Cano is 9th in baseball for 2nd baseman
Jeter is 4th in baseball for SS’s
Damon is 5th in baseball for LF’s
Swisher is 4th in baseball for RF’s
One game up going into Boston…it would be great if we could take 2 of 3 in Boston!
I will critique the moves from a manager (both good and bad) but I will never hindsight manage. One of the moves I did not like that worked out was taking Hughes out of the game. My thoughts were that he blew away TB’s 1-3 hitters, he is a guy who could easily pitch 2+ innings and I thought the Yanks would get a few more runs off of Sonnanstine and Hughes could have closed out the last 3 innings resting Rivera for the Red Sox series. Coke got the job done after a walk and then the move is clearly to go to Rivera. I would have played it differently, but it worked.
ARod has still yet to take an outside pitch to right field. He did homer to right center which got everyone excited that he was back (you probably remember my comment about hits to right as well) but that homer was in the center of the plate and he was just a little late. This is not the same as driving an outer half pitch to right. You can see he is pulling outside pitches to the left side and getting out consistently. He is a great hitter and can still hit well pulling the ball, but if pitchers keep throwing breaking pitches on the outer half he won’t be consistently good until he starts to drive them the opposite way.
Jeter has been playing about as good a defense as he is capable of playing.
Posada called a very good game today. Pettitte missed his spots on a few occasions and the big blow was the Kapler HR after a possible strike 3 on the previous pitch. Posada wanted the ball in and Pettitte left it out over the plate
Veterans of this blog remember one of the biggest issues I had with Torre was his terrible managing of bullpen and I had an issue with his handling of the lefty specialist Randy Choate. I won’t retread old issues but a lefty specialist should have been used against one lefty or possibly 2 of 3 in a lineup and then you get him out. Even with Torre leaving him sometimes for a few innings, Choate still was very tough on lefties, including a fantastic year in 2002 where he limited lefties to an OPS of only .372!!! Of course, Torre let him face twice as many righties as lefties and those guys lit him up so people would think Choate was not very good. Anyway, Choate is back after some arm troubles and made Damon look silly and so far has retired every lefty he has faced this year (OK it is only 7 batters, but …)
OPS update
Posada’s OPS is 2nd in baseball among catchers with at least 100 AB’s.
Surprisingly, Texiera is 7th overall for 1st baseman, but he did start out poorly
Cano is 9th in baseball for 2nd baseman
Jeter is 4th in baseball for SS’s
Damon is 5th in baseball for LF’s
Swisher is 4th in baseball for RF’s
One game up going into Boston…it would be great if we could take 2 of 3 in Boston!
Really? This is shocking to me. He leads the league in HRs and walks all the time.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
That's all of baseball with Pujols, Youk, Fielder, Branyan, Gonzalez, and Morneau ahead of him. He actually doesn't have the +400 OBP yet which is dragging him down.
Yep I looked at it after I posted. Crazy year for 1B. Youk has a .470 OBP. Wow
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I really cannot stand A-Rod. "Best player ever".... Blah Blah Blah.
A black cloud follows this guy around. He shrinks and makes crucial mistakes in the biggest spots.
A black cloud follows this guy around. He shrinks and makes crucial mistakes in the biggest spots.
Seriously? Hes not allowed to make errors?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Is this not a pattern with him, faltering in big spots?
Has Jeter never made an error against the Sox? Has ARod never come thru in the clutch?
Seriously this is getting annoying
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Emphasis on pattern. Definitely not Jeter's m.o.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I totally agree. All this "See, I told you so" over the last couple of days belies the larger issue. It's definitely very annoying.
Fact is Yanks have flaws but the AL sucks this year. I find it hard to believe anyone will challenge them or Boston for the WC except for possibly TB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
How long before Burnett walks the hot dog vendor?
Jeter's OPS vs BOS .774; career OPS .845ARod's OPS vs BOS .887; career OPS .967
Seems they both have a pattern of worse than career norms vs the Sox
brutalOh well we got Wang tomorrow
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Nice. 83+ pitches, and we're not even out of the 3rd inning.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Gotta love Girardi.
Wait until the game is out of hand before realizing your starting pitcher is pissing himself.
Wait until the game is out of hand before realizing your starting pitcher is pissing himself.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Beyond disgusting... my dinner is coming back up. Going to watch the NHL finals.
Someone PM me if by some miracle we get to within a field goal.
Someone PM me if by some miracle we get to within a field goal.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, he's no Dice-K.The Ghost of Common said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
SOOOO..... you are allowed to crack on my team but I'm not allowed to crack on your's?The Ghost of Common said:
I can never get these rules right.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Settle down, Sparky. Two titles in the last 7,000 years barely gets you past the status of "dingleberry" on Babe Ruth's greasy starfish.The Ghost of Common said:
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Insoxicated
Dave Roberts played 7000 years ago?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Run along to that fantastic 2-page Red Sox thread instead of obsessing over us (again).
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Good to see the Boston fans back. Where have you guys been?
Reaper
Footballguy
It's more about playing good baseball over being in first place, and the Yankees overall have been playing good baseball.. I won't get "geeked up" but, I've enjoyed it.As for Boston, yeah they lost again, but, this Yankees team has been a ton better than the one that lost the last 5 and last night ran into Beckett "On Fire"... If it comes down to a playoff series and it's Beckett Vs Sabathia, that's pretty much exactly what we signed up for and we'll play those cards...
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Youk impressed me 2 years ago because he can cover all pitches to all parts of the plate...that is pretty rare while also having a great eye.
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Correcting delusional misinformation =/= Obsessing over your team If it seems like I'm posting (a whopping 7 times in 17 pages) in here more than other teams threads (which I also read), It's because this is the only team thread that has certain posters (you and a couple others) that repeatedly need fact checking. HTH
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Well, that was a disaster!
You knew it was going to go bad when Burnett went 3-0 on the first 2 batters of the game. Then when Big Papi, who has hit everyone like Big Poopie, (the debut of this word and hopefully the last in my postings) goes yard. You have to wonder about our advanced scouting sometimes as we used to give Lowell the first pitch fastball he wants and Ortiz can’t it anyone (ops of about .600) and we struggle getting him out?
The story was more Burnett and the fact he simply has not been able to spot his fastball almost all year. After the Ortiz homer I felt that the game was going to be a struggle with Beckett throwing well. But when it is 2 outs, you have an 0-2 count on the batter and there is 2nd and 3rd, you better make some good pitches. Instead Burnett’s lack of control killed us as he put a fastball down the middle of the plate and Drew doubled off the green monster and the game was over.
It would have been nice to see the Yankees bats do something, but a lot of the credit goes to Beckett. BTW, the Red Sox advanced scouting knew to throw a lot of breaking balls away to ARod as he went 0-4 struggling swinging through them or taking them for strikes. When he pulls a curve ball later today for a hit, don’t think ARod is back…wait until he drives that pitch into the gap in right center (twice)…
You knew it was going to go bad when Burnett went 3-0 on the first 2 batters of the game. Then when Big Papi, who has hit everyone like Big Poopie, (the debut of this word and hopefully the last in my postings) goes yard. You have to wonder about our advanced scouting sometimes as we used to give Lowell the first pitch fastball he wants and Ortiz can’t it anyone (ops of about .600) and we struggle getting him out?
The story was more Burnett and the fact he simply has not been able to spot his fastball almost all year. After the Ortiz homer I felt that the game was going to be a struggle with Beckett throwing well. But when it is 2 outs, you have an 0-2 count on the batter and there is 2nd and 3rd, you better make some good pitches. Instead Burnett’s lack of control killed us as he put a fastball down the middle of the plate and Drew doubled off the green monster and the game was over.
It would have been nice to see the Yankees bats do something, but a lot of the credit goes to Beckett. BTW, the Red Sox advanced scouting knew to throw a lot of breaking balls away to ARod as he went 0-4 struggling swinging through them or taking them for strikes. When he pulls a curve ball later today for a hit, don’t think ARod is back…wait until he drives that pitch into the gap in right center (twice)…
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
So yesterday down 2-0 in a game in June was a crucial spot...OKRaider Nation said:
This clutch stuff is really a bunch of baloney. It has been proven time and time again that players don;t have clutch ability, they do have clutch performances, but not clutch ability. There are some players given a 50 AB stretch that have not performed well, but there are the same that have performed well over a 50 AB stretch. People used to say how clutch Jeter is, but his postseason numbers are identical to his regular season numbers, ARod struggled most of the postseasons for the Yanks, but was dominant and carried against the Twins and was fantastic with Seattle in the playoffs so what gives? People talked about Tino being clutch, but did you know his postseason numbers were bad! People talked about Girardi being clutch, but did you know that ONE triple he had represented his ONLY run batted in during his entire postseason career of 127 AB's? yes, it was a big hit and that is what is remembered but perhaps having an OPS over .463 (yeah .463) would have been helpful in some other spots?ARod has not performed at his elite level in his career postseason, but his OPS of .844 is about the same as Jeter's and better than most and he has been excellent in the ALCS (a more clutch spot than the ALDS) with an OPS of 1.024.ARod's postseason OPS is better than Oneill's (.828) and Tino (.672) who were considered the heart and soul of the Yanks. Perhaps winning has made people think someone was more clutch than they really were?Yeah I just dont like the people that complain everytime he strikes out with the bases loaded or makes an error that he sucks in the big spot. But everytime he has a clutch HR or great fielding play how everyone forgets about it.
Remember the Yanks-Red Sox regular season classic game that Jeter dove into the stands? I seem to recall ARod making a phenomenal play in that very same game. There was a runner on 3rd, a groundball was hit to his right, he made a diving play and throw from deep past 3b on his knees over the runner running home to get the out at home. Wasnt that a big spot?
Remember the Yanks-Red Sox regular season classic game that Jeter dove into the stands? I seem to recall ARod making a phenomenal play in that very same game. There was a runner on 3rd, a groundball was hit to his right, he made a diving play and throw from deep past 3b on his knees over the runner running home to get the out at home. Wasnt that a big spot?
