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***Officialish Detroit Tigers Thread*** (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Doctor Detroit
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Last nights win makes me a lot more confortable...If it started to creep under 3 games, anything could have happened.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
An 8-8 record in the last 16 games would be 92 wins and make it almost impossible for the Tribe or Royals to come close. Cleveland would need to finish 15-2 to tie. Barring a fold job like the WhiteSox of last year it is pretty much over now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
In a best of 7 it might make less difference but in the best of 5 round they must choose carefully, as only one pitcher can start two games.
Doctor Detroit
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It might be dependent on who has home field, but I think Max will be the #1 starter regardless. I see Sanchez starting a game 2 in Detroit, Verlander a game two in Oakland or Texas. Verlander is the franchises #1 starter, but Max has just been too good this year. Then again Jimmy had him as the #4 last year, so who knows. Hard to not make Max #1, and I don't think Verlander would have any issue with it.jon_mx said:
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Boston will probably hold the #1 slot. A real key right now is getting home field advantage over, most likely, Oakland. Both Detroit and Oakland are very strong at home and only slightly above .500 on the road.
Undoubtedly Max should be #1, but Leyland has a strong loyalty to what has been in the past. Verlander has been his #1 guy for years and it would not shock me if Leyland kept it that way despite what happened this year. Leyland is a bit of a weird duck that way.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
As usual Tigers won when the other team made more mistakes than they did. KC has superior basepath speed but were undone by a series of bad throws that helped put them behind early.
The pitching bridge to Benoit was a little shaky but never actualy broke.
The pitching bridge to Benoit was a little shaky but never actualy broke.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
so with all the pinch running that Jim normally does, why not run for Prince in that spot?
Doctor Detroit
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9 stranded baserunners in the first five innings, then a steal of third and wild pitch ties the game. Playoff ready!!!!
Doctor Detroit
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Too bad Max didn't get the win today, he deserved it. Avila has been swinging well since coming back from the concussion, he was locked in today. People have to avoid looking at the average with him, he takes walks and he has occasional power.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Very good point. They have a lot of bench speed and flexibility.
As DD notes, Max deserved this win ...but he's gotten a number of wins he probably didn't deserve, so things are balancing out a bit for him. With Max missing #20 again, and Miggy having a couple of quiet weeks, I wonder if the Cy Young and MVP are possibly slipping away.
Doctor Detroit
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I think Max is still almost a lock for the CY. MVP is in question for sure, but Miggy still seems to be the leader.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Sigh, we went over this.
Darvish gets no run support so an average record on a bad team is a lock for the CY over the best pitching since Roger Clemens on a good team.
And has anyone looked at Miggy's WAR numbers? Horrible, just horrible. Look at Trout, hitting a 2 run homer when his team is down three. Now THAT is MVP my good man.
Peace
Currently.....
Max 19-3
JV 13-11
Fister 12-9
Porcello 13-8
Sanchez 14-7
If there were not so many blown saves early on, all five would be at 15 or more. Fister is the only one eliminated from reaching that with only two starts left for each. Max and Sanchez had outstanding years, with Max being the beneficiuary of outstanding run support. Justin was not bad, he just was not the Justin V that we know. Fister slightly disappointing. Pitched well at times, but had more bad games than usual. Porcello looked awesome in spring training, then laid lots of turds. Picked it up during the middle, and has been outstanding as of late. Best 5-man rotation in the AL, even with JV having an off year.
teamramrod
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Quality starts:
Max 23
Fister 20
JV 19
Sanchez 19
Porcello 17
I noticed for Oakland, it's Parker with 22 and Colon with 21 ..then it drops to Griffin with 14. Detroit's depth will be very beneficial for a 7 game series, but for 5 games, a team like Oakland with two top guys who frequently pitch strong games will be more challenging. As mentioned, Oakland (like Detroit) is much more dominant at home.
If Detroit starts on the road, an ideal set-up (depending on the TV schedule) would be Max on Friday night and JV on Saturday afternoon, then Sanchez at home for game three. Game four could be Fister (day game) or Porcello (night game) ...all based on season splits.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Best we can hope is to catch them for home field. Will have to make up 2 games since Oakland won the season series 4-3.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Quite a while back I recall read somewhere that Max could be the first pitcher to have 10+ Ks/9 innings and a WHIP below 1.00. Run support notwithstanding, that's quite an achievement. To the extent Sanchez has a case, hopefully he doesn't vulture votes from Max. Instead of a RBBC, we have a CYBC.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I know it will never happen but I would love to see Sanchez get the game 1 start, but it will probably be Max. How can it not be a Max, Sanchez, Verlander rotation in the playoffs? The body of work is there for all three and the numbers do not lie.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
magic# = 6
Because Leyland is not one who looks at a player and evaluates him what has he done in the last month or even what has he done in the last year. Leyland looks at a player and thinks what has he done in the last several years. Sometimes that works out like VMart finally did come around. And sometimes it does not (Inge, Potato). That should be the rotation, it just would not shock me one bit if Leyland sticks with JV as his ace and starts him in game 1. Or Leyland may look at some of the situational stats, but I doubt that comes into play.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
If the tigers start on the road in the playoffs it will be Max/JV game 1&2 in some combo with Sanchez and Fister at home
tri-man 47
Footballguy
ERA Splits:
Max 3.49 home; 2.44 road .....3.35 day; 2.81 night
JV 3.72 home; 3.59 road .....2.62 day; 5.02 night
Ani 2.45 home; 2.58 road .....2.76 day; 2.43 night
Fister 3.46 home; 3.87 road ....3.34 day; 3.86 night
Porcello 4.70 home; 4.20 road ....5.21 day; 3.82 night
That's why for a road start, look to Max at night; JV during the day. If Detroit happens to play the first two at home, it'd make sense to start with Sanchez and JV, holding Max for game three on the road.
I hope the team plays it hard over these remaining games and secures home field advantage.
Max 3.49 home; 2.44 road .....3.35 day; 2.81 night
JV 3.72 home; 3.59 road .....2.62 day; 5.02 night
Ani 2.45 home; 2.58 road .....2.76 day; 2.43 night
Fister 3.46 home; 3.87 road ....3.34 day; 3.86 night
Porcello 4.70 home; 4.20 road ....5.21 day; 3.82 night
That's why for a road start, look to Max at night; JV during the day. If Detroit happens to play the first two at home, it'd make sense to start with Sanchez and JV, holding Max for game three on the road.
I hope the team plays it hard over these remaining games and secures home field advantage.
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There is not a very large variance in any of those numbers with the exception of JV and Porcello day/night numbers. And considering the small sample size of starts a picter has in each of those scenerios, they would be within the statistical margins of error. I might consider the day/night numbers for those two, but the other numbers really give you no information to base decisions on.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
A fair point. Max's numbers possibly have some significance. But bottom line, Leyland will just be Leyland.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I was just going to post that about Leyland. We can make all the sense we want but he's going to put out there whatever is in his smoke filled brain. And just maybe come out of it looking good.
teamramrod
Footballguy
this disappoints me...how do we get shut out like this.
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Doctor Detroit
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Iwakuma is one of the best pitchers in baseball, I can live with it.
Phil Coke on the playoff roster, is something I shouldn't have to live with however.
teamramrod
Footballguy
that is why whenever a child is born, their parent put a baseball in their left hand.
GOLD
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Doctor Detroit
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Dirks is terrible, hoping J-Honey can man LF for every game to be honest.
Iglesias' X-Rays were negative and is day-to-day
Re Playoff starters: Right now Verlander is scheduled to pitch on the final day of the season, Anibal on Saturday and Max the Wednesday before. So the way it is lined up, it'll be Max in game 1 for sure. They can go either Verlander or Sanchez in game 2. We'll see if they adjust the pitching rotation but I doubt it. ALDS series starts Oct 4th so technically they could start Verlander in Game 1, but Max will have been off for nine days as it is.
Iglesias' X-Rays were negative and is day-to-day
Re Playoff starters: Right now Verlander is scheduled to pitch on the final day of the season, Anibal on Saturday and Max the Wednesday before. So the way it is lined up, it'll be Max in game 1 for sure. They can go either Verlander or Sanchez in game 2. We'll see if they adjust the pitching rotation but I doubt it. ALDS series starts Oct 4th so technically they could start Verlander in Game 1, but Max will have been off for nine days as it is.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Jhonny might end up being pretty useful come postseason. Not like their lineup can't sometimes use another bat.
btw Prince looked like he was out,Tommy B once again channeling that fatazz who used to coach 3B.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Prince ..Prince ..Prince. 
So Oakland faces the Twins (4), at Angels (3), at Seattle (3).
We have the White Sox (3), at Twins (3), and at the Marlins (3).
We're a half game back before Oakland's game tonight. The Twins will play a big factor in the fight for home field advantage. I hope the Seattle rotation works out unfavorably for Oakland.
So Oakland faces the Twins (4), at Angels (3), at Seattle (3).
We have the White Sox (3), at Twins (3), and at the Marlins (3).
We're a half game back before Oakland's game tonight. The Twins will play a big factor in the fight for home field advantage. I hope the Seattle rotation works out unfavorably for Oakland.
teamramrod
Footballguy
You are never as bad as letting the Red Soxs run up 20
You are never as good as treating the White Suk like the fat kid at 5 grade camp.
Peace
You are never as good as treating the White Suk like the fat kid at 5 grade camp.
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Doctor Detroit
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Doctor Detroit
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Doctor Detroit
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AS bad as the White Sux are, I still love beating them. Beating them like that was like three cherries and a stripper on top of the sundae. 
Doctor Detroit
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lolI love how Jones can go .1 innings and give up 5 runs, yet get credited with a Hold
Baseball scoring is so screwy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Two games behind Oakland. 
Doctor Detroit
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Avila has a 1.108 OPS in September.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Justin
M F
Verlander
if you need him.
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M F
Verlander
if you need him.
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teamramrod
Footballguy
Hunter roxxers.
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Doctor Detroit
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The way the wildcard race is shaping up, Tigers might have to play Boston.
Boston lacks the starting pitching IMO but the Tigers have never played well well at Fenway. Getting that second seed seems somewhat important to this astute fan, but doubt it means much to the players or Leyland. Oh well.
Boston lacks the starting pitching IMO but the Tigers have never played well well at Fenway. Getting that second seed seems somewhat important to this astute fan, but doubt it means much to the players or Leyland. Oh well.
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