Ok, i dont watch many Vikings games, but Homers whats with: (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I been holding him in my dynasty like he a good ole prime cut steak...Seems like a peice of spam.

Is it really the system?? I dont know, I see Berrian has gotten some yards here and there.

I know he was hurt for alittle while but at some point he should atleast show us what he can do.

Some liked him just as much as Calvin. I know in a dynasty you have to have patience and im sitting on him as his value isnt too high right now anyways.

Just wondering whats with this guy

 

[encaitar]

His problem is that Gus Frerotte is his QB. Gus stares down Berrian until he realizes he's covered, then turns to Shiancoe. If Shiancoe is covered he turns back to Berrian and tries to throw it there anyway.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

His problem is that Gus Frerotte is his QB. Gus stares down Berrian until he realizes he's covered, then turns to Shiancoe. If Shiancoe is covered he turns back to Berrian and tries to throw it there anyway, at which point he is pick'ed or sacked. Once ever 200 attempts, Berrian catches a bomb. Once every 100 attempts, Shiancoe catches a 3 yard pass.

fixed.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Sidney Rice is a mere Donovan McNabb away. Don't drop him T.U.B.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I don't know what the problem is, but remember when he was a rookie many people were saying he was raw. He may take another year or two is run routes better, figure out coverages and find more ways to get open than the typical young WR.

 

[ScottyFargo]

His problem is that Gus Frerotte is his QB. Gus stares down Berrian until he realizes he's covered, then turns to Shiancoe. If Shiancoe is covered he turns back to Berrian and tries to throw it there anyway.

Rice also isn't in for a lot of plays. If I had to guess, I think Childress isn't impressed with his reliability. The guy's been dinged up for a few games this year already and just hasn't seen the field as much as I expected him too after last year.

 

[biggamer3]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I hadn't thought yet about the Eagles signing somebody, but that is definitely the scenario that it'd take for them to trade him.

 

[Beaumont]

His problem is that Gus Frerotte is his QB. Gus stares down Berrian until he realizes he's covered, then turns to Shiancoe. If Shiancoe is covered he turns back to Berrian and tries to throw it there anyway.

Rice also isn't in for a lot of plays. If I had to guess, I think Childress isn't impressed with his reliability. The guy's been dinged up for a few games this year already and just hasn't seen the field as much as I expected him too after last year.

I believe he is getting a lot less PT than Wade.

 

[Sweet Love]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

 

[biggamer3]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

This will never happen, do you understand how much the franchise tag will cost on a QB?at least 9-10M and they lose all their trading edge because teams KNOW the Pats MUST deal Cassel because you cant have two QB's making 10M a year.he will simply be a Free Agent

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Sidney Rice is a mere Donovan McNabb away. Don't drop him T.U.B.

Oh i wont drop him, im HOLDIN at this point but he havent showed no promise this season. Hopefully next year it gets better for him where he becomes atleast a wr3.

 

[Pittsburgh P]

I expected a tough year from Sid. Maybe not this tough, but I wasn't counting on his production.

Questionable quarterback situation (Jackson and Frerotte) + questionable coaching decisions (Chillyball) + still refining his technique = Recipe for frustration.

But talent will out, and Sid has it in spades. Unfortunately, we haven't seen many flashes of it this year.

Next year, we can hope the math is more like

Solid QB (FA) + non-idiotic coaching + another year of experience = Breakout.

With Berrian across from him and a ground game that commands respect, why not?

Fingers crossed, anyway.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't know what the problem is, but remember when he was a rookie many people were saying he was raw. He may take another year or two is run routes better, figure out coverages and find more ways to get open than the typical young WR.

This is the biggest reason, followed closely by the QB situation. But people forget just how raw Rice was coming out of college. I would hold...and if you don't own him, buy low.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I don't know what the problem is, but remember when he was a rookie many people were saying he was raw. He may take another year or two is run routes better, figure out coverages and find more ways to get open than the typical young WR.

This is the biggest reason, followed closely by the QB situation. But people forget just how raw Rice was coming out of college.

I would hold...and if you don't own him, buy low.

No, but we also looked at the fact he had gaudy numbers against really crapy schools. When you look and see what he did against real competition in the SEC, he didn't fare so well.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

Pretty sure there is a rule in the CBA that prevents using the franchise tag on someone you are intending to trade. Figuring out "intentions" is another matter of course...

 

[Warhogs]

I see the Vikings quite a bit and still am really unsure about Rice. He has been injured for much of the season. They do like to throw the ball up to him near the goal line so that helps his TD value. They gave Berrian a big contract so he will play 2nd fiddle at WR for a while. The Vikings want to run-run-and only pass in obvious situations. I think the jury is still out on this guy but he is probably a bit undervalued because he has had such a poor sophmore season. I really temper my expectations though because the Vikings revolve around ADP so I think Rice will have a tough time reaching a reliable starter status for a long time.

 

[FFdork]

I can't speak for the whole season other than the injury thing which set him back.

What I did notice in the Sunday night game were some really poorly thrown balls in his direction. In particular Gus didn't seem to have a good feel for where to put the 'jump ball,' which should be one of the staples of Rice's repertoire.

 

[Woogie Lee]

They gave Berrian a big contract so he will play 2nd fiddle at WR for a while.

And rightfully so. If this guy had a decent QB he would be a WR1 hands down.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

This will never happen, do you understand how much the franchise tag will cost on a QB?at least 9-10M and they lose all their trading edge because teams KNOW the Pats MUST deal Cassel because you cant have two QB's making 10M a year.he will simply be a Free Agent

Lets say NE franchises Cassel at 12MM. Lets also say there are at least 3 teams who want Cassel. You are saying that these 3 teams would rather forego the chance to have Cassel than to make an offer to a team that is leveraged with 2 multimillion dollar QBs? I don't buy that...

 

[Biabreakable]

I hate to say it but I have seen Rice alligator arm some catchable balls several times this year.

I'm worried he might be another Lloyd. He just doesen't seem to have what it takes to be a possesion WR.

 

[loose circuits]

he will simply be a Free Agent

in which case, the Pats will just have to wait an extra year to get their 3rd round pick (compensatory selection)either way, back on track...Rice seems to be only used on the goal line from what I've seen. That was one ugly fade Gus threw this week...

 

[Twilight]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

This will never happen, do you understand how much the franchise tag will cost on a QB?at least 9-10M and they lose all their trading edge because teams KNOW the Pats MUST deal Cassel because you cant have two QB's making 10M a year.he will simply be a Free Agent

Lets say NE franchises Cassel at 12MM. Lets also say there are at least 3 teams who want Cassel. You are saying that these 3 teams would rather forego the chance to have Cassel than to make an offer to a team that is leveraged with 2 multimillion dollar QBs? I don't buy that...

Actually, the franchise tag is 16-17 M. There is ZERO chance of them using it at that price, even with possible trades involved.

 

[EBF]

I own Rice in a few dynasties and I'm not that worried about his pitiful stats this season. Sometimes a guy gets hurt, falls behind the 8-ball, and never recovers until the season is over. We saw that last season with Mark Clayton. Now that he's healthy and his QB is developing an eye for him, he's starting to show the talent people thought he had.

I think Rice is going to be a good player in the league. We probably overhyped him, but the kid has a lot of talent. Give him some time to get healthy and find a rhythm. I think you'll see his value climb.

 

[munchkin]

I like the Mcnabb mention, i personally feel the Eagles will sign Cassel and the Vikes will quickly scoop up Mcnabb

I think the Patriots franchise tag Cassel, then deal him for a 2nd round pick.

Me thinks that would be the smart thing to do too.

This will never happen, do you understand how much the franchise tag will cost on a QB?at least 9-10M and they lose all their trading edge because teams KNOW the Pats MUST deal Cassel because you cant have two QB's making 10M a year.he will simply be a Free Agent

Lets say NE franchises Cassel at 12MM. Lets also say there are at least 3 teams who want Cassel. You are saying that these 3 teams would rather forego the chance to have Cassel than to make an offer to a team that is leveraged with 2 multimillion dollar QBs? I don't buy that...

Actually, the franchise tag is 16-17 M. There is ZERO chance of them using it at that price, even with possible trades involved.

The Boston papers have been quoting a figure of roughly 14 million. There top priority right now, besides hoping like hell that Brady is on track to recovery, is likely to sign Wilfork to an extension. I think it is pretty evident that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in the NFL. If the Pats have a feeling that they can franchise Cassel and move him they will (though I believe the consensus amongst the sports writers is that they won't). They are too conservative an organization to roll the dice on hoping to trade Cassel at 14 million. I have been annoyed by the recurring injuries to Rice as well. What I do like is that he stays out of trouble and works hard. Apparently he has all the tools with solid upside. There are a lot of highly productive receivers in the NFL that get the occasional alligator arms including TO, S Moss and R Moss.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Folks, Rice was 20 years old when he came out. He turned 22 right before this season started. He is just now the age that most NFL rookies are when they enter the league. The injuries have definitely been an issue, and held back his development this year. The good news is that he's getting the red zone targets. Rice has the leaping ability and body control to be a monster in the end zone, and he caught TDs in back to back games upon his return. He didn't get another red zone target until this week, but Corey Graham (who is a young corner on the rise) made a good play on an underthrown back pylon fade.

Rice has also had the bad luck (at least for his owners) of returning right when Childress finally figured out that they should be running a lot more than they pass in Minnesota. Frerotte has had 18-28-20-20-25 attempts and 11-15-14-12-16 completions in the five games since their bye. Of course, Frerotte averaged about 38 attempts and 22 completions during the stretch when Rice was banged up/out. Notice that Berrian's numbers have also suffered mightily during this recent stretch. In fact, Rice actually outproduced Berrian over the last three games going into the Chicago game. The whole Minnesota passing game is suffering fantasy-wise.

HOLD/BUY is definitely the wise dynasty play on Rice right now.

 

[loose circuits]

Folks, Rice was 20 years old when he came out. He turned 22 right before this season started. He is just now the age that most NFL rookies are when they enter the league. The injuries have definitely been an issue, and held back his development this year. The good news is that he's getting the red zone targets. Rice has the leaping ability and body control to be a monster in the end zone, and he caught TDs in back to back games upon his return. He didn't get another red zone target until this week, but Corey Graham (who is a young corner on the rise) made a good play on an underthrown back pylon fade. Rice has also had the bad luck (at least for his owners) of returning right when Childress finally figured out that they should be running a lot more than they pass in Minnesota. Frerotte has had 18-28-20-20-25 attempts and 11-15-14-12-16 completions in the five games since their bye. Of course, Frerotte averaged about 38 attempts and 22 completions during the stretch when Rice was banged up/out. Notice that Berrian's numbers have also suffered mightily during this recent stretch. In fact, Rice actually outproduced Berrian over the last three games going into the Chicago game. The whole Minnesota passing game is suffering fantasy-wise.HOLD/BUY is definitely the wise dynasty play on Rice right now.

sounds like you could insert Reggie Williams where you said Sydney Rice, and I heard the same thing a few years ago. Is that what we are dealing with here?

 

[djmich]

Folks, Rice was 20 years old when he came out. He turned 22 right before this season started. He is just now the age that most NFL rookies are when they enter the league. The injuries have definitely been an issue, and held back his development this year. The good news is that he's getting the red zone targets. Rice has the leaping ability and body control to be a monster in the end zone, and he caught TDs in back to back games upon his return. He didn't get another red zone target until this week, but Corey Graham (who is a young corner on the rise) made a good play on an underthrown back pylon fade. Rice has also had the bad luck (at least for his owners) of returning right when Childress finally figured out that they should be running a lot more than they pass in Minnesota. Frerotte has had 18-28-20-20-25 attempts and 11-15-14-12-16 completions in the five games since their bye. Of course, Frerotte averaged about 38 attempts and 22 completions during the stretch when Rice was banged up/out. Notice that Berrian's numbers have also suffered mightily during this recent stretch. In fact, Rice actually outproduced Berrian over the last three games going into the Chicago game. The whole Minnesota passing game is suffering fantasy-wise.HOLD/BUY is definitely the wise dynasty play on Rice right now.

sounds like you could insert Reggie Williams where you said Sydney Rice, and I heard the same thing a few years ago. Is that what we are dealing with here?

After holding this guy for two full years now it seems like he has more Williams in him that one would hope. Unless you have deep rosters I won't be holding next year unless he has a good preseason, and then only hold again if he does something in the first few games. The opportunity cost of continuing to hold and wait becomes too high.

 

[munchkin]

Folks, Rice was 20 years old when he came out. He turned 22 right before this season started. He is just now the age that most NFL rookies are when they enter the league. The injuries have definitely been an issue, and held back his development this year. The good news is that he's getting the red zone targets. Rice has the leaping ability and body control to be a monster in the end zone, and he caught TDs in back to back games upon his return. He didn't get another red zone target until this week, but Corey Graham (who is a young corner on the rise) made a good play on an underthrown back pylon fade. Rice has also had the bad luck (at least for his owners) of returning right when Childress finally figured out that they should be running a lot more than they pass in Minnesota. Frerotte has had 18-28-20-20-25 attempts and 11-15-14-12-16 completions in the five games since their bye. Of course, Frerotte averaged about 38 attempts and 22 completions during the stretch when Rice was banged up/out. Notice that Berrian's numbers have also suffered mightily during this recent stretch. In fact, Rice actually outproduced Berrian over the last three games going into the Chicago game. The whole Minnesota passing game is suffering fantasy-wise.HOLD/BUY is definitely the wise dynasty play on Rice right now.

sounds like you could insert Reggie Williams where you said Sydney Rice, and I heard the same thing a few years ago. Is that what we are dealing with here?

After holding this guy for two full years now it seems like he has more Williams in him that one would hope. Unless you have deep rosters I won't be holding next year unless he has a good preseason, and then only hold again if he does something in the first few games. The opportunity cost of continuing to hold and wait becomes too high.

Reggie Williams has had plenty of opportunities to step up on a team that has tried to feature him. He has had a game here and there in which he has been productive. Jacksonville, particularly this year, has featured the pass over the run and R Williams has bare showed up on the radar screen. Rice has not had near the opportunities that Williams has. His injuries have hurt him, Ferrotte is not a very good QB and the team does not pass that much. I would compare his situation more to that of Mark Bradley. Injuries kept that guy off the field in Chicago to the point where the coaching staff lost all faith in him. He has resurfaced in KC and is doing well when he is on the field.It would be nice if Rice was given the opportunity to show something on the field. He certainly needs to stay healthy to do that. Hopefully he will stay healthy and reward the owners who have been patiently waiting for his up-side to show.