Olbermann crushes Jeter (1 Viewer)

[mquinnjr]

There's the Olbermann I know and despise.

You can debate GOAT status and get a different opinion for or against each time. Point being, Obermann is an attention whore and is eating the attention up, and we're all being

 

[The_Man]

Chance for very heavy rain all day in NY tomorrow.

People who paid top $ for those tickets have to be sweating right now. The standard "You may exchange your ticket for a face-value refund or an equivalent ticket to select 2015 regular season games" isn't going to be too popular.

So they will do everything humanly possible to get the game in tomorrow. LOL at some Yankee fans already suggesting that the Orioles come back Monday to play a meaningless game instead of resting up for their playoff opener. I would love to hear that conversation with Peter Angelos.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Chance for very heavy rain all day in NY tomorrow.

People who paid top $ for those tickets have to be sweating right now. The standard "You may exchange your ticket for a face-value refund or an equivalent ticket to select 2015 regular season games" isn't going to be too popular.

So they will do everything humanly possible to get the game in tomorrow. LOL at some Yankee fans already suggesting that the Orioles come back Monday to play a meaningless game instead of resting up for their playoff opener. I would love to hear that conversation with Peter Angelos.

I'd pay more to be in the room when they told Buck Showalter that than I would for a ticket to the game.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Top 5 SS. Top 6 Yankee. Top 50 player. Sounds right.

"Derek Jeter is great because he played a long time and had a lot of highlights," might be true but it sort of ignores the arguments against him.

He's a very good offensive shortstop whose defense was suspect and he's only a slam dunk HOFer because he played for the Yankees during a dynasty.

There are five Shortstops who retired after 1970 (i.e. that I have at least some memory of) that are obviously ahead of Jeter:

ARod (* half his career)

Ripken

Yount

Banks

Ozzie

Then you get to a cluster of three IMO:

Trammel

Jeter

Larkin

Trammel's not in, but Larkin is. And the problem for Jeter is that both of those guys were much better fielders who probably helped their teams win more games overall.

I'm not saying he doesn't belong (I think Trammel should get in too), just that the praise of the guy is over the top.

Is he a borderline HOFer? Yes. Is he a lock on the non-Yankee merits? No. And there's NO way he's a top-5 SS or a top-50 player of all-time. He's not even a top-5 shortstop of the last ~40 years.

 

[rodg12]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Top 5 SS. Top 6 Yankee. Top 50 player. Sounds right.

"Derek Jeter is great because he played a long time and had a lot of highlights," might be true but it sort of ignores the arguments against him.

He's a very good offensive shortstop whose defense was suspect and he's only a slam dunk HOFer because he played for the Yankees during a dynasty.

There are five Shortstops who retired after 1970 (i.e. that I have at least some memory of) that are obviously ahead of Jeter:

ARod (* half his career)

Ripken

Yount

Banks

Ozzie

Then you get to a cluster of three IMO:

Trammel

Jeter

Larkin

Trammel's not in, but Larkin is. And the problem for Jeter is that both of those guys were much better fielders who probably helped their teams win more games overall.

I'm not saying he doesn't belong (I think Trammel should get in too), just that the praise of the guy is over the top.

Is he a borderline HOFer? Yes. Is he a lock on the non-Yankee merits? No. And there's NO way he's a top-5 SS or a top-50 player of all-time. He's not even a top-5 shortstop of the last ~40 years.

Stop it. He has the 6th most hits all time. He's a lock based on that alone.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Top 5 SS. Top 6 Yankee. Top 50 player. Sounds right.

"Derek Jeter is great because he played a long time and had a lot of highlights," might be true but it sort of ignores the arguments against him.

He's a very good offensive shortstop whose defense was suspect and he's only a slam dunk HOFer because he played for the Yankees during a dynasty.

There are five Shortstops who retired after 1970 (i.e. that I have at least some memory of) that are obviously ahead of Jeter:

ARod (* half his career)

Ripken

Yount

Banks

Ozzie

Then you get to a cluster of three IMO:

Trammel

Jeter

Larkin

Trammel's not in, but Larkin is. And the problem for Jeter is that both of those guys were much better fielders who probably helped their teams win more games overall.

I'm not saying he doesn't belong (I think Trammel should get in too), just that the praise of the guy is over the top.

Is he a borderline HOFer? Yes. Is he a lock on the non-Yankee merits? No. And there's NO way he's a top-5 SS or a top-50 player of all-time. He's not even a top-5 shortstop of the last ~40 years.

He's 58th in career bWAR. Virtually every player ahead of him who didn't use PEDs or bet on the sport is in the Hall or will be soon, and the majority of the 50 behind him are in as well.

He's perhaps the most overrated athlete of our lifetimes, but he was also pretty awesome. Easy call even if he never won a ring and just appeared in a handful of postseason series.

 

[Premier]

Chance for very heavy rain all day in NY tomorrow.

People who paid top $ for those tickets have to be sweating right now. The standard "You may exchange your ticket for a face-value refund or an equivalent ticket to select 2015 regular season games" isn't going to be too popular.

So they will do everything humanly possible to get the game in tomorrow. LOL at some Yankee fans already suggesting that the Orioles come back Monday to play a meaningless game instead of resting up for their playoff opener. I would love to hear that conversation with Peter Angelos.

I'd pay more to be in the room when they told Buck Showalter that than I would for a ticket to the game.

That's not going to happen but the Orioles could just use the 15 guys on their 40-man who aren't going to be on the playoff roster.

No chance of that happening though.

 

[RCon]

I personally think Jeter is the most overrated player of all time and this farewell tour is a complete farce but at Olbermann with this.

on both counts.

[/thread]

Right position (for the most part). Wrong AL East team. Ripken hands down.

Total hijack, but... Seriously? What are we measuring to determine this?

 

[Michael Brown]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Top 5 SS. Top 6 Yankee. Top 50 player. Sounds right.

"Derek Jeter is great because he played a long time and had a lot of highlights," might be true but it sort of ignores the arguments against him.

He's a very good offensive shortstop whose defense was suspect and he's only a slam dunk HOFer because he played for the Yankees during a dynasty.

There are five Shortstops who retired after 1970 (i.e. that I have at least some memory of) that are obviously ahead of Jeter:

ARod (* half his career)

Ripken

Yount

Banks

Ozzie

Then you get to a cluster of three IMO:

Trammel

Jeter

Larkin

Trammel's not in, but Larkin is. And the problem for Jeter is that both of those guys were much better fielders who probably helped their teams win more games overall.

I'm not saying he doesn't belong (I think Trammel should get in too), just that the praise of the guy is over the top.

Is he a borderline HOFer? Yes. Is he a lock on the non-Yankee merits? No. And there's NO way he's a top-5 SS or a top-50 player of all-time. He's not even a top-5 shortstop of the last ~40 years.

He's perhaps the most overrated athlete of our lifetimes, but he was also pretty awesome.

This is the most true statement in the entire thread

 

[Michael Brown]

Do all Yankee fans agree with me? Of course not. Most people coldly care only about the current season and winning and all that.

For players it is all about the money, so as a fan I'm in the same boat, it is all about winning. I was not happy when he signed his last contract, it was not a good deal at all for a Yankees fan. You pay a player on what you anticipate he will do, not to thank him for what he has done. His latest contract has not helped the Yankees in the slightest. I'm a fan, have a Jeter jersey, and all the respect in the world for the guy, but the $50MM he has been gifted over the last 3 seasons is all the thanking I think he needs.

As someone else mentioned in the thread, teams also don't pay guys strictly on their performance on the field. Jeter has made the Yankees far more money these last three years than he has cost them, and he'll continue to help them make a crap ton of money in retirement and they won't be paying him a dime then. Being a "career Yankee" and one of the greats and blah blah blah, will have them selling Jeter merchandise for decades.

 

[Michael Brown]

I personally think Jeter is the most overrated player of all time and this farewell tour is a complete farce but at Olbermann with this.

He's definitely overrated by the casual fans. He's one of the best SS of all-time and an easy Hall of Famer, but if there really are people claiming he's the best of all-time, then yeah by definition that's overrated. I think casual fans assume that since he's so famous that he must be the best. But I think most knowledgeable baseball fans understand his proper place in the game and rate him properly.

Ozzie Smith down? GDB you Yankee homers...

Ozzie Smith down what? I don't even know how that's a response to what I wrote. I said Jeter was ONE OF the best SS of all-time and an easy HOFer. Then I said if anyone claims he's the best, then they're wrong. And then I said most knowledgeable fans rate him properly, as a top-10 SS and one of the best of his era.

And then you brought up Ozzie Smith and bashed Yankee homers.

Do I have that about right?

 

[Michael Brown]

Not a Yankees fan or Jeter fan at all here...

...but KO's rant is why fantasy sports has ruined real sports. Jeter's greatness isn't summed up in his stats.

Dave Concepcion is one of the greatest Cincinnati Reds, yet his stats aren't anything a fantasy baseball player would give two ####s about.

Yankee fans and Jeter fans, enjoy this momment for what it's worth, and KO needs to go #### himself.

And see, this kinda stuff makes Jeter seem underrated. Not trying to pick on you especially since we're mostly on the same side of this debate, but this is along the lines of the whole "Jeter's intangibles" thing that we've heard for 20 years. That word is so overused with him. People use the word 'intangibles' to try to sum up his greatness, as if there's no other way to measure him. But he's got 3500 hits, 1900 runs, 500 doubles, 250 HR, 1300 RBI, 350 SB, and is a career .310 hitter. It's intangibles, sure. But it's also very much the tangibles!

But he's struck out the most times of anyone with 12,000+ at bats. But, "clutch".

Well at least that's not an arbitrary number or anything. But actually this is false. Hank Aaron has the most strikeouts of anyone with 12,000 at bats. Because there are a grand total of TWO players with that many ABs, Aaron and Rose.

There are more than enough real criticisms of Jeter without resorting to nonsensical ones like this.

 

[RCon]

The whole "overrated/underrated" argument is kind of silly to begin with, since it presumes to know how the player is "rated" to begin with.

That said, Jeter is a slam dunk HOF player, even without the championships. He's been a great offensive player, a great leader, and played the game with class for twenty years. As far as we know, he didn't take PEDs when so many around him did.

True, he was a poor defensive player. True, he probably should have moved to third at some point along the way. True, the Yankees would likely have won several championships even without him. None of that makes him not a superstar or not a Hall of Famer.

 

[Michael Brown]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.

I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The whole "overrated/underrated" argument is kind of silly to begin with, since it presumes to know how the player is "rated" to begin with.

That said, Jeter is a slam dunk HOF player, even without the championships. He's been a great offensive player, a great leader, and played the game with class for twenty years. As far as we know, he didn't take PEDs when so many around him did.

True, he was a poor defensive player. True, he probably should have moved to third at some point along the way. True, the Yankees would likely have won several championships even without him. None of that makes him not a superstar or not a Hall of Famer.

And with this I think the FFA may have actually reached near-universal agreement on a sports topic.

Now let's move on to settling this whole mess about Jameis Winston's future prospects.

 

[TenTimes]

I think Jeter is just a little TOO humble for his own good, to the point that it negatively affects people's perception of him. Lesson for the kids out there, don't be afraid to toot your own horn.

 

[Politician Spock]

I think Jeter is just a little TOO humble for his own good, to the point that it negatively affects people's perception of him. Lesson for the kids out there, don't be afraid to toot your own horn.

Baseball players throw it around the horn. There's no tooting in baseball.

 

[Yenrub]

I was pleasantly surprised that Keith had my favorite Yankee of all time Willie Randolph in his top 10

 

[rockaction]

I personally think Jeter is the most overrated player of all time and this farewell tour is a complete farce but at Olbermann with this.

on both counts.

[/thread]

Right position (for the most part). Wrong AL East team. Ripken hands down.

I need to get you in touch in with my friend who would utterly destroy Ripken at every chance he got, even when we lived in MD. Yeeouch. We've been escorted out of several MD bars for me yelling about Ray Lewis and him going off on Ripken's overrated status.

This is why Jeter doesn't phase me. The real Captain Intangibles (according to my friend) already took his victory lap years ago.

Definitely the GOAT of pulling tail. No contest. End of story. Damn *******.

Wasn't there a pole here comparing Jeter and Scott Baio? I seem to recall the case for Baio was a pretty compelling one.

Jeter's definitely no slouch, though. Guy's d**k should be bronzed.

Wow, I would love a link to that.

So much good stuff in this thread, I'd run out of "likes."

 

[rockaction]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.

I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

Nope. They're doing the lead five o'clock drive time segment on Olbermann/Jeter on Felger and Mazz in Boston right now. This has been going on for fifteen minutes.

Olbermann is apparently a media genius. He's got sports talk drive time in one of the biggest markets in America.

eta*mquinnjr nailed it

 

[flapgreen]

I also believe Jeter may have had sex with Lance Bass.

I think so

 

[Smack Tripper]

I think Jeter is just a little TOO humble for his own good, to the point that it negatively affects people's perception of him. Lesson for the kids out there, don't be afraid to toot your own horn.

Baseball players throw it around the horn. There's no tooting in baseball.

Keith Hernandez and Dave Parker beg to differ

 

[jon_mx]

Let me see, if I had to pick who was the d-bag between Jeter and Olbermann.....hmmmm, this is really tough.

 

[Aerial Assault]

There are few things in the world of sports fandom more bizarre than when Yankees fans brag about the list of beautiful women that Jeter has slept with. It's like they think he's nailing them in a Yankees uniform, and they're gonna hang "Minka Kelly Sex Partner" banners at Yankee Stadium, and Sports Illustrated is gonna release a highlight video.

He is, they are, and they are

 

[Guest]

Wait, they really did the "2" on the hat thing? That's pretty dumb, and do have to agree with KO on that point. "He's not dead!" The rest of it seemed like KO trying, but failing to be funny.

I always thought Jeter was a class act.

ETA: It's sports/entertainment.

 

[T Bell]

This overarching narrative that Jeter ISN'T THE BEST EVER YEAH I SAID IT is a bit silly, though. Who's Olbermann arguing with? Jorge Posada? Modern-day Yankees fans who, like any generation of diehards, overvalue the great they grew up with? Olbermann goes to great lengths to shoot down a Greatest Ever argument that, as far as I can tell, very few people are making.

A refreshing voice of reason.

Olbermann keeps shouting on Twitter about how ridiculous the notion is that Jeter is "the greatest ever", whatever the hell that means. So I keep asking him repeatedly to point out one reputable baseball man who claims that Jeter is "the greatest ever."

Nothing so far. I think he just enjoys refuting fictitious arguments.

He's moral indignation in search of a cause. If he can't find one, he'll make one up. He has nothing else that he does well besides sneer.

 

[mphtrilogy]

The ultimate glue guy, he and mo were the X factors

That being said, this farewell tour has been a it much, and I coulda done without the number on the hat....

 

[datonn]

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/files/2011/06/new_yorker_flyover_cover_6-26-11.jpg

The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.

I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

 

[avoiding injuries]

The rest of it seemed like KO trying, but failing to be funny.

.

What? Did you not hear all the guys off camera laughing at every line? That's to clue the viewer in that KO is hysterical.

 

[dschuler]

I keep up with/watch sports everyday and this is the first national Jeter news I have heard in months, and it's only because Odormann is bashing this guy. This farewell tour has been rather quiet, and I don't think anyone (aside from a teammate), thinks Deter Jeter is the greatest player of all time. No one has ever argued that.

ESPN and other media outlets have done nothing but salivate over Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson over the last month. Jeter hasn't even come up until Odormann had to open his stinky mouth.

 

[Michael Brown]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

 

[BRONG]

Money grab.

 

[Mark Davis]

Chance for very heavy rain all day in NY tomorrow.

People who paid top $ for those tickets have to be sweating right now. The standard "You may exchange your ticket for a face-value refund or an equivalent ticket to select 2015 regular season games" isn't going to be too popular.

So they will do everything humanly possible to get the game in tomorrow. LOL at some Yankee fans already suggesting that the Orioles come back Monday to play a meaningless game instead of resting up for their playoff opener. I would love to hear that conversation with Peter Angelos.

The people who paid over face will be reimbursed in full. It's the way the secondary ticket market works. If an event is cancelled and a makeup date is not scheduled then everyone is refunded and the original ticket holder is the one who either exchanges the ticket for another game or only gets his face value back. Same thing happened this year with the Florida/Idaho football game.

 

[T Bell]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I hate the Yankees, but love Jeter. Seems he plays the game right. best stats? Nope. But plays the game right.

 

[Vike Me]

I hate the Yankees, but love Jeter. Seems he plays the game right. best stats? Nope. But plays the game right.

Thanks dad.

 

[Michael Brown]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.

Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.

 

[AAABatteries]

Jeter has banged more quality tail that KO could only dream about whacking off too

Jeter pulls more tail than a special ed class at the petting zoo.

I shouldn't have laughed at this but I did.

 

[T Bell]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.

Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.

:i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:

 

[datonn]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.

Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.

:i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:

In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!

Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.

 

[Corporation]

Chance for very heavy rain all day in NY tomorrow.

People who paid top $ for those tickets have to be sweating right now. The standard "You may exchange your ticket for a face-value refund or an equivalent ticket to select 2015 regular season games" isn't going to be too popular.

So they will do everything humanly possible to get the game in tomorrow. LOL at some Yankee fans already suggesting that the Orioles come back Monday to play a meaningless game instead of resting up for their playoff opener. I would love to hear that conversation with Peter Angelos.

They will delay that thing for 5 hours if necessary.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Not Keri's best work. For a stat guy, he seems to fight pretty hard against what the stats tell us. Leading with a section on opposite field hitting was pretty embarrassing. At least Matt Diaz looks a little bit better, I guess.

 

[Michael Brown]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.

Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.

:i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:

In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!

Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.

Hey, I wish he hadn't done a victory tour just like everyone else. But to pretend it's not happening and that people in other cities don't care, is false. Regardless of whether they want to pay tribute to him or they're doing it from some sense of politeness (?), it's happening.

But to address what you said...the thing is, most of us on this forum don't know one another IRL. I post in the baseball forum a few times a week but by no means do you have any idea what kind of fan I am. I'm sitting here at 1:30 a.m. on the east coast watching the ending of the Giants/Dodgers game because I pay a few hundred bucks to watch the Extra Innings package and love baseball much more than I love the Yankees. I'll be watching the Tigers and Royals games this weekend over the Yankees and Red Sox because those games matter. I have a freaking George Brett Christmas ornament (damn this is starting to sound like Costanza trying to convince people he has black friends).

But some people have preconceived notions of what Yankee fans are like, so as soon as we say something that can be remotely twisted into "Yankee homerism", they pounce. I know a lot of your post was tongue in cheek, but honestly if you really read what I'm saying or read what I've said over the years, you would know that description is the furthest thing from the truth.

I'll enjoy the Jeter stuff at the game tomorrow, but to be honest I'm looking forward to it being over with so I can watch what looks like a great, wide open playoffs.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Much better take...

Keri on Jeter

Not Keri's best work. For a stat guy, he seems to fight pretty hard against what the stats tell us. Leading with a section on opposite field hitting was pretty embarrassing. At least Matt Diaz looks a little bit better, I guess.

There was a crazy fangraphs article about how, yes, Jeter is a bad SS. But his defensive ability compared to ALL OTHER players, regardless of position, was pretty good.

No mention of how his hitting stacked up against everyone else.

 

[Vike Me]

It still comes to this, if Jeter had played his whole career in Kansas City, no one exept people in Kasas City would give a ####. In that case he would probably be "underratted".

 

[Apple Jack]

You mean the most popular player in a generation retiring from the most popular team in the country, which also happens to play in the largest market with the most rabid fanbase and media environment, is garnering a lot of press? Never mind that he seems to have successfully navigated the minefield of megastardom for 20 years, all the while being likeable, good-looking, and running through a murderer's row (see what I did there?) of models and actresses. Oh, the huge manatees. My outrage overflows.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Anti-Jeter stuff always fascinates me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

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The thing that annoys me about the whole Derek Jeter farewell tour has nothing to do with how great of a player he is/was. Rather, it's because if he were putting on any other uniform in MLB other than a Yankees uniform, folks wouldn't have been making 1/10th as big of a deal about it/him.

Kind of like watching ESPN and their coverage of the NFL. The Giants and Jets get disproportional coverage compared to the rest of the league...even when they suck. And the Patriots?! Fuh-ged-dah-bow-dit. Though the Red Sox and Celtics get more coverage than they should too...but coverage of the Patriots dwarfs the rest. As if the other ~275 million of us are really supposed to care.

Good point, nobody else in the country is talking about Jeter right now except in the NY Metro. The coverage should be limited to the northeast corridor, because clearly attendance isn't spiking in all the other stadiums when he visits them and people aren't giving him standing ovations on the road in places as far away as California since April.I don't like everything that other people like either, but I'm not crotchety enough to think that everyone should feel the same way I do and that it's ridiculous if someone has another opinion from mine.

EVERYBODY is talking about Jeter right now...because the national media won't stop talking about it. I turned on ESPN during lunch, and there was Derek Jeter. I flipped over to ESPN2...and it's Stephen A. Smith and his cohorts talking about?! You guessed it. So I flipped over to ESPN News...and it's a replay of SVP and Russillo. And I suppose to their credit, they weren't talking about Jeter directly. They were talking about Keith Olbermann's comments ABOUT Jeter.

It's fine if people in NY and Yankees fans across the country want to talk about it 24/7. Maybe ESPN shouldn't call itself an (inter)national media company though...and just admit that if it's not happening in Boston, NY or Philly, it's not news.

I was being sarcastic

The fact that you're being sarcastic is precisely why people hate how NY-focused the networks are. You live there and you don't have any conception of how little the rest of us think about Jeter, the Yankees or any of that. Thanks for reinforcing the point.

Oh, so you're telling me the rest of the baseball world isn't talking about Jeter right now? Ok guy.

Generally speaking, I know people don't give two ####s about the Yankees. But to pretend like EVERY SINGLE TEAM isn't giving him pregame ceremonies and gifts and EVERY SINGLE STADIUM isn't giving him standing ovations when you can see it plainly with your own two eyes, is kind of ridiculous. I mean it's not an opinion dude...these things are happening. They're facts. Sorry if that bothers you.

:i'mmakingajerkingoffmotionjustforyou,justlikethoseteamsare:

In fairness, Michael Brown is stating facts. Problem is, what percentage of American sports fans are attending said games? What percentage of fans in the stands are just standing up and clapping because everybody stands and claps when a few people start that type of thing (it's polite)? What percentage of fans in the stands had any idea they were going to be forced to waste minutes of their life watching the Derek Jeter farewell tour...probably orchestrated in large-part by the Commissioner's Office? Or if not orchestrated by the Commissioner's Office, what percentage of teams put a little something together because other teams put a little something together (also see: standing ovations)?!

Those facts don't matter. Because ESPN, or Fox Sports, or ??? shows him that baseball fans across the country are supposedly acting as if Derek Jeter is The Beatles, making their American debut on the Ed Sullivan Show. Who gives a rat's ### about teams that are actually in the playoffs or are fighting for a playoff position? Who cares about the NFL regular season, NHL pre-season, NBA pre-season, college football, et al? One of the greatest New York Yankees in the history of the franchise (certainly in the past 10-15 years) is days away from his last day in pinstripes...so STOP THE PRESSES and do your hero worship right! Only wishing your teams, their history, their players, were as awesome as his.

It really bothers you that teams are honoring Derek Jeter?

It has very little to do with him playing in NYC (other than the World Series wins having helped to shape his legacy) - certain athletes just transcend their sport and are going to be covered disproportionately.

Why was LeBron James' free agency so heavily scrutinized and covered?

If Peyton Manning announces after this season, that next season will be his last, do you think that's the last time all season that you'll hear about it?

Why does NBC/CBS spend so much time showing Tiger Woods on Sundays, even now when he's no longer really in contention is some of those events?

It's really not all that difficult to figure out.

 

[B-Deep]

damn jeter just go already, i am tired of it

not 100% his fault, EVERYTHING in baseball takes too damn long

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It still comes to this, if Jeter had played his whole career in Kansas City, no one exept people in Kasas City would give a ####. In that case he would probably be "underratted".

If Jeter had the same career, including 6 titles, I doubt much would be different. Cal Ripken had a pretty well-publicized farewell tour.