Olbermann crushes Jeter (2 Viewers)

[B-Deep]

total setup last night

 

[rockaction]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

 

[FlapJacks]

It still comes to this, if Jeter had played his whole career in Kansas City, no one exept people in Kasas City would give a ####. In that case he would probably be "underratted".

like that George guy awhile back

 

[DCThunder]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Joba Chamberlain is attacked by insects in Cleveland...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=271005105

Summary: Helped by a freakish invasion of bombarding bugs that rattled rookie reliever Joba Chamberlain in the eighth inning, the Indians rallied to beat the Yankees 2-1 in 11 innings to take a 2-0 lead in the AL Division Series.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Joba Chamberlain is attacked by insects in Cleveland...

Are we sure they were not all along just hiding in his beard?

 

[avoiding injuries]

total setup last night

Even though it sure played out like one, I don't think it was a setup. hitting 2HR's in the top of the 9th to tie was outrageous. Yankees fans were livid. But...when Jeter came up with a RISP I'm sure Buck had the same thought as me, that it would be completely fine losing this one and not have to play extra innings in a meaningless game before the playoffs.

Evan Meek probably wasn't in on it, bc now he'll be on a highlight reel for the rest of time.

At least they didn't take Jeter out with 2 outs in the 9th for an ovation like they did for Mo.

 

[dgreen]

They should have walked him.

 

[jwb]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

No, they really didn't, but what they did have is multiple #2 guys throughout that run - guys who could pitch deep into games and keep you in them. Wells, Petite, El Duque, Cone, Jimmy Key in 96, a still-fairly-studly Clemens in 99-2001, etc - when El Duque is your game 3 starter, that's pretty good.

Plus, they had an exceptional bullpen. Of course, Mo, and the Nelson/Stanton duo. But also guys like Mendoza were key. Bringing in Mendoza and his hard sinker for a few innings was like bringing in your #3 starter.

 

[rockaction]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Joba Chamberlain is attacked by insects in Cleveland...

Are we sure they were not all along just hiding in his beard?

Oh, I remember all of that now. The gnats. That was bad luck. I was in school then. Yankee fans at a buttoned-down campus were actively furious. Then again, I actually thought Cleveland was tougher. Let's look this up. Eh, without too much it looks like all three teams were vying for the crown, and if the Phythag holds correct, the Sox win. The Yanks scored a about hundred more, we gave up a hundred less.

Sox were the best team in '07.

eta* Oh, "midges" as the technical term. I actually thought it was a comparative term. Jeez. My bad.

 

[Michael Brown]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Hah no problem. Teams were basically the same in 03, Sox were much better in 04. The teams were close again in 07 IMO. Boston won the division by 2 games, and the Yanks went 10-8 regular season against Boston. But more than that, we started off 1-5 against them and then went 9-3 over the second half of the season. Just thought it would've been another great series if we coulda just gotten by the damn Indians. By no means am I saying we definitely beat the Red Sox in a 7-gamer, just that it was a toss-up.

 

[Michael Brown]

total setup last night

Even though it sure played out like one, I don't think it was a setup. hitting 2HR's in the top of the 9th to tie was outrageous. Yankees fans were livid.

Not me. I admittedly got greedy last night. When Jeter's 7th inning ball was ruled a fielder's choice, I told everyone in my section that I wanted one more AB and for him to go out with a hit. When they were up 3, my brother goes "Yanks need to get five on for Jeter to bat again", and I responded "Or we can blow the lead!"

Just before the top of the 9th, posted on Facebook that I wanted the team to re-sign Boone Logan so he could come in and blow the lead, getting Jeter one more AB (homage to you GB RN). When Jones hit the HR, I actively cheered and everyone around me glared with blood in their eyes. When Pearce tied it, I just kept screaming "ONE MORE AB!" over and over. Pretty much everyone in section 420A wanted me murdered. I just kept telling them to trust the script, trust the Jeter, all kinds of nonsense. Before the bottom of the 9th started, I followed up on FB with "Jeter walkoff hit >>>>> Jeter game-winning RBI fielder's choice. Let's do it!"

And then, about 5 minutes later, pretty much everyone in section 420A loved me and mobbed the #### outta me and the fans in Mudville were pleased. Awesome night.

 

[rockaction]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Hah no problem. Teams were basically the same in 03, Sox were much better in 04. The teams were close again in 07 IMO. Boston won the division by 2 games, and the Yanks went 10-8 regular season against Boston. But more than that, we started off 1-5 against them and then went 9-3 over the second half of the season. Just thought it would've been another great series if we coulda just gotten by the damn Indians. By no means am I saying we definitely beat the Red Sox in a 7-gamer, just that it was a toss-up.

Ahh, makes sense. I personally think '03, '04, and '07 were all toss-ups. By all rights, Cleveland outplayed us in '07, but Beckett stanched the flow. It was unreal to watch. Called a friend and asked him about "them apples." Then we went back home for six and seven, which played out to form, weirdly for Boston. And then Colorado didn't stand a chance.

Probably even harder for a Yankee fan to watch that after their run-in with Beckett. I still can't believe Florida won in '03. Clemens and the ceremony. All of it. Just...bizarre. Please permit me an anecdote: Trader Jack killed us one day. Said we were running up the score the day before. Ripped on Grady relentlessly. Grady took it to heart. Apologized. Next day, stops playing in the eighth. Florida whips our ### in the ninth, coming from about six down. That's when you knew Grady wasn't up for the job.

 

[Michael Brown]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Hah no problem. Teams were basically the same in 03, Sox were much better in 04. The teams were close again in 07 IMO. Boston won the division by 2 games, and the Yanks went 10-8 regular season against Boston. But more than that, we started off 1-5 against them and then went 9-3 over the second half of the season. Just thought it would've been another great series if we coulda just gotten by the damn Indians. By no means am I saying we definitely beat the Red Sox in a 7-gamer, just that it was a toss-up.

Ahh, makes sense. I personally think '03, '04, and '07 were all toss-ups. By all rights, Cleveland outplayed us in '07, but Beckett stanched the flow. It was unreal to watch. Called a friend and asked him about "them apples." Then we went back home for six and seven, which played out to form, weirdly for Boston. And then Colorado didn't stand a chance.

Probably even harder for a Yankee fan to watch that after their run-in with Beckett. I still can't believe Florida won in '03. Clemens and the ceremony. All of it. Just...bizarre. Please permit me an anecdote: Trader Jack killed us one day. Said we were running up the score the day before. Ripped on Grady relentlessly. Grady took it to heart. Apologized. Next day, stops playing in the eighth. Florida whips our ### in the ninth, coming from about six down. That's when you knew Grady wasn't up for the job.

Yeah maybe better was the wrong word. It was close all three years. But Boston had something going on in 04 that just can't be described. I actually think most Boston fans believe the 03 team was better than the 04 one...just didn't play out that way.

I remember after we lost to Florida in 03 and a lot of the locals talked about how it was because we were so "spent" after such an emotional struggle with the Red Sox in the prior series. How we couldn't get "up" for it after all that.

Yeah and then Boston came back from 0-3 in 2004 and then smoked the Cards in 4 straight and made all that 2003 talk sound like a buncha garbage

 

[rodg12]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Hah no problem. Teams were basically the same in 03, Sox were much better in 04. The teams were close again in 07 IMO. Boston won the division by 2 games, and the Yanks went 10-8 regular season against Boston. But more than that, we started off 1-5 against them and then went 9-3 over the second half of the season. Just thought it would've been another great series if we coulda just gotten by the damn Indians. By no means am I saying we definitely beat the Red Sox in a 7-gamer, just that it was a toss-up.

Ahh, makes sense. I personally think '03, '04, and '07 were all toss-ups. By all rights, Cleveland outplayed us in '07, but Beckett stanched the flow. It was unreal to watch. Called a friend and asked him about "them apples." Then we went back home for six and seven, which played out to form, weirdly for Boston. And then Colorado didn't stand a chance.

Probably even harder for a Yankee fan to watch that after their run-in with Beckett. I still can't believe Florida won in '03. Clemens and the ceremony. All of it. Just...bizarre. Please permit me an anecdote: Trader Jack killed us one day. Said we were running up the score the day before. Ripped on Grady relentlessly. Grady took it to heart. Apologized. Next day, stops playing in the eighth. Florida whips our ### in the ninth, coming from about six down. That's when you knew Grady wasn't up for the job.

Yeah maybe better was the wrong word. It was close all three years. But Boston had something going on in 04 that just can't be described. I actually think most Boston fans believe the 03 team was better than the 04 one...just didn't play out that way.

I remember after we lost to Florida in 03 and a lot of the locals talked about how it was because we were so "spent" after such an emotional struggle with the Red Sox in the prior series. How we couldn't get "up" for it after all that.

Yeah and then Boston came back from 0-3 in 2004 and then smoked the Cards in 4 straight and made all that 2003 talk sound like a buncha garbage

David Wells's back finally going out in the WS is what killed that '03 Yankee team. If he can make that start, I'm convinced the Yanks win.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It was absolutely a setup. For the conspiracy theorists amongst us....

1. MLB needs to honor its clean cut stars. It doesn't have that many and losing Jeter is going to hurt. They are doing a crap job of highlighting other guys like Kershaw.

2. The buildup was just as much MLB needing it as the Yankees wanting to make money and Yankee fans eating it up.

3. Robertson, I don't think, gave up 2 HR's in the 9th all season in a save situation

4. Joe Torre, an MLB exec was in the stadium and on the field.

5. Buck Showalter was the guy that pegged Jeter as a superstar when he saw him in draft camp when he was 18.

6. Buck Showlater is as much a historian of the game and the love of that history as any guy in a uniform right now.

7. The NFL is getting hammered all over and there is a vaccum of positive sports stories to take over.

8. Everyone knows that Jeter swings at the first pitch a hell of a lot and with a guy in scoring position in a tie game you don't groove a pitch like that right off the bat.

9. You could see Meek smiling in the replays as Jeter rounded first base.

10. The catcher purposely dropped the ball just to make sure Jeter was safe.

I assume that Torre told Buck and Joe before the game that they need a great ending for Jeter. Buck already had some plan and Joe would have done anything he was told. Robertson was told to let the Orioles tie it. The last Oriole batter was told to half swing to get out after it was tied. Meek was told to make sure that Jeter gets up with a runner on base. The Yankees put their fastest guy on first and then the bunt over should have been defended but it wasn't. And the 2nd baseman was way out of position for a hitter like Jeter on a fastball middle out that was in Jeter's wheelhouse to do exactly what he did.

Perfect story. Perfect ending. Everyone pays $49.95 to MLB for some kind of memorbilia thing with a picture of the final hit. Adam Jones is told to get on twitter and say that he loves Jeter and is happy for him.

Fade out. Profit.

 

[TenTimes]

Keith Olbermann@KeithOlbermann · 45m

TONIGHT: NFL's Cover-Up Crisis, plus where Derek Jeter's Pennant/World Series/Final Of The Universe walkoff ranks among great MLB exits.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Yankees fans, are you rooting for/against/neutral the Orioles this postseason?

Jeter wished them luck in his post game speech and was boo'd.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Yankees fans, are you rooting for/against/neutral the Orioles this postseason?

Jeter wished them luck in his post game speech and was boo'd.

I'm rooting for the Dodgers.... well Mattingly specifically. I want to see him win a World Series and I really don't care what team he does it with. And I mean this sincerely - he could be the manager of the Mets or Red Sox and unless they are playing the Yankees I'd root for him.

 

[rockaction]

Walk off single, folks!

Jokes aside: the most ridiculous stat for me:

last night was the only home game played by jeter where his team was already eliminated from the playoff race"

That's insane to me...

(Read on ESPN app, not sure if true)

Why wouldn't it be when you have been surrounded by a 200 million dollar payrol for most of your career.

I know you were just making a point, but I've looked this up in the past. The Yankee payroll in 2001 (what most consider to be the last year of the "dynasty" aka the pre-Giambi days) was about $112 million. Boston and the Dodgers were at $109, Mets were at $93, so the Yanks were first but they weren't lapping the field. But then it spiked to $125 million in 2002, $150 million in 2003, and $184 million in 2004, and then they were off to the races. Think about that, it went up by $74 million in THREE YEARS...that's just insane.

But yeah before that point, they were reasonably within range of everyone else. In 1998, they didn't even have the highest payroll in the game. Not pointing this out for any other reason than to say it's astounding, and yes with that sort of payroll they really should have made the playoffs just about every season.

Their run from 1996-2000 is absolutely amazing in retrospect, now that we know the playoffs have basically become a crapshoot since the addition of the division series in 1995. It's mind-boggling, especially since they never really had a shutdown ace during that run, the one thing that can shift the division series odds significantly.

Agreed, and as I've gotten older and watched all these playoff series I've come to a realization that the most amazing aspect of that run is just how much luck played a part in it. Like you said, the playoffs are such a crapshoot. The Tigers seem to knock us out of the postseason every time we get in, but that 2006 series was just absurd. No way that team had any business beating the Yankees.

But by the same token, the 2000 and 2001 Yankees had no business beating the A's either time. Even the 96 Yanks beating the Braves was pretty ridiculous. Jim Leyritz gets out in front of a hanging slider, and it starts a dynasty. If he's a quarter second early or late, we probably lose that series in five games. And of course, without Jeff Maier, the Yanks maybe don't even get there.

It's what bothers me the most about Yankee fans nowadays, that there's this assumption that if you lose in the playoffs, it's because you aren't good enough or the team was poorly constructed. At times, that's been true. But they were a Mariano Rivera save away from never having been exposed for their countless flaws in 2004, and maybe a few thousand midges away from the same thing in 2007. It's just all so random. So to have the talent yes, but also the great fortune, to be able to rattle off 4 titles in 5 years, just seems impossible to fathom anymore.

Hey MB, I won't be hostile, please explain. I thought the Sox were much better in '03 than '04, but I'm curious about this '07 thing. What's the scoop on that?

Hah no problem. Teams were basically the same in 03, Sox were much better in 04. The teams were close again in 07 IMO. Boston won the division by 2 games, and the Yanks went 10-8 regular season against Boston. But more than that, we started off 1-5 against them and then went 9-3 over the second half of the season. Just thought it would've been another great series if we coulda just gotten by the damn Indians. By no means am I saying we definitely beat the Red Sox in a 7-gamer, just that it was a toss-up.

Ahh, makes sense. I personally think '03, '04, and '07 were all toss-ups. By all rights, Cleveland outplayed us in '07, but Beckett stanched the flow. It was unreal to watch. Called a friend and asked him about "them apples." Then we went back home for six and seven, which played out to form, weirdly for Boston. And then Colorado didn't stand a chance.

Probably even harder for a Yankee fan to watch that after their run-in with Beckett. I still can't believe Florida won in '03. Clemens and the ceremony. All of it. Just...bizarre. Please permit me an anecdote: Trader Jack killed us one day. Said we were running up the score the day before. Ripped on Grady relentlessly. Grady took it to heart. Apologized. Next day, stops playing in the eighth. Florida whips our ### in the ninth, coming from about six down. That's when you knew Grady wasn't up for the job.

Yeah maybe better was the wrong word. It was close all three years. But Boston had something going on in 04 that just can't be described. I actually think most Boston fans believe the 03 team was better than the 04 one...just didn't play out that way.

I remember after we lost to Florida in 03 and a lot of the locals talked about how it was because we were so "spent" after such an emotional struggle with the Red Sox in the prior series. How we couldn't get "up" for it after all that.

Yeah and then Boston came back from 0-3 in 2004 and then smoked the Cards in 4 straight and made all that 2003 talk sound like a buncha garbage

I think that even without Schilling, that '03 team was the most dominant baseball team I've ever seen from our city. I guess there might be data that contradicts it, but the eyes and the horrendous manager have it. It still kills me that the '03 team didn't win. I'd trade '07 or '13 for it. Just the most fun team to watch, too.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Mattingly is a nimrod.

 

[Michael Brown]

Yankees fans, are you rooting for/against/neutral the Orioles this postseason?

Jeter wished them luck in his post game speech and was boo'd.

Yeah as he said that, there were mostly cheers around us but they quickly got drowned out by the boos. Seemed kinda stupid and childish to boo, but then again stupid and childish covers about 90% of Yankee fans.

I'm not totally sure who I'm rooting for. I won't root for Baltimore, but it won't be due to anger or hatred against them or anything. Always loved Buck, and they have a bunch of likable players now that Machado isn't playing. Just feel like there are so many underdog stories this year, plus like Yankee23 said there's always the Mattingly factor. I'm just hoping for some more fun baseball.

 

[Michael Brown]

Mattingly is a nimrod.

Was out in LA two weeks ago and went to a Dodger game. This seemed to be the general consensus of the people I talked to

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Mattingly is a nimrod.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Mattingly is a nimrod.

Was out in LA two weeks ago and went to a Dodger game. This seemed to be the general consensus of the people I talked to

So, like 3 waiters who are really "actors" waiting for the right script to come to them?

 

[Raider Nation]

It was absolutely a setup. For the conspiracy theorists amongst us....

1. MLB needs to honor its clean cut stars. It doesn't have that many and losing Jeter is going to hurt. They are doing a crap job of highlighting other guys like Kershaw.

2. The buildup was just as much MLB needing it as the Yankees wanting to make money and Yankee fans eating it up.

3. Robertson, I don't think, gave up 2 HR's in the 9th all season in a save situation

4. Joe Torre, an MLB exec was in the stadium and on the field.

5. Buck Showalter was the guy that pegged Jeter as a superstar when he saw him in draft camp when he was 18.

6. Buck Showlater is as much a historian of the game and the love of that history as any guy in a uniform right now.

7. The NFL is getting hammered all over and there is a vaccum of positive sports stories to take over.

8. Everyone knows that Jeter swings at the first pitch a hell of a lot and with a guy in scoring position in a tie game you don't groove a pitch like that right off the bat.

9. You could see Meek smiling in the replays as Jeter rounded first base.

10. The catcher purposely dropped the ball just to make sure Jeter was safe.

I assume that Torre told Buck and Joe before the game that they need a great ending for Jeter. Buck already had some plan and Joe would have done anything he was told. Robertson was told to let the Orioles tie it. The last Oriole batter was told to half swing to get out after it was tied. Meek was told to make sure that Jeter gets up with a runner on base. The Yankees put their fastest guy on first and then the bunt over should have been defended but it wasn't. And the 2nd baseman was way out of position for a hitter like Jeter on a fastball middle out that was in Jeter's wheelhouse to do exactly what he did.

Perfect story. Perfect ending. Everyone pays $49.95 to MLB for some kind of memorbilia thing with a picture of the final hit. Adam Jones is told to get on twitter and say that he loves Jeter and is happy for him.

Fade out. Profit.

3) Players cannot hit home runs at will - not even in a HR derby.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It was absolutely a setup. For the conspiracy theorists amongst us....

1. MLB needs to honor its clean cut stars. It doesn't have that many and losing Jeter is going to hurt. They are doing a crap job of highlighting other guys like Kershaw.

2. The buildup was just as much MLB needing it as the Yankees wanting to make money and Yankee fans eating it up.

3. Robertson, I don't think, gave up 2 HR's in the 9th all season in a save situation

4. Joe Torre, an MLB exec was in the stadium and on the field.

5. Buck Showalter was the guy that pegged Jeter as a superstar when he saw him in draft camp when he was 18.

6. Buck Showlater is as much a historian of the game and the love of that history as any guy in a uniform right now.

7. The NFL is getting hammered all over and there is a vaccum of positive sports stories to take over.

8. Everyone knows that Jeter swings at the first pitch a hell of a lot and with a guy in scoring position in a tie game you don't groove a pitch like that right off the bat.

9. You could see Meek smiling in the replays as Jeter rounded first base.

10. The catcher purposely dropped the ball just to make sure Jeter was safe.

I assume that Torre told Buck and Joe before the game that they need a great ending for Jeter. Buck already had some plan and Joe would have done anything he was told. Robertson was told to let the Orioles tie it. The last Oriole batter was told to half swing to get out after it was tied. Meek was told to make sure that Jeter gets up with a runner on base. The Yankees put their fastest guy on first and then the bunt over should have been defended but it wasn't. And the 2nd baseman was way out of position for a hitter like Jeter on a fastball middle out that was in Jeter's wheelhouse to do exactly what he did.

Perfect story. Perfect ending. Everyone pays $49.95 to MLB for some kind of memorbilia thing with a picture of the final hit. Adam Jones is told to get on twitter and say that he loves Jeter and is happy for him.

Fade out. Profit.

3) Players cannot hit home runs at will - not even in a HR derby.

Yup. The hit itself was a gift from the O's but everything that had to happen to get to that point was just good fortune.

 

[McGarnicle]

Gotta walk Jeter there IMO.

 

[humpback]

Gotta walk plunk Jeter there IMO.

 

[tommyboy]

once again Keith Olbermann is wrong

 

[TobiasFunke]

It was absolutely a setup. For the conspiracy theorists amongst us....

1. MLB needs to honor its clean cut stars. It doesn't have that many and losing Jeter is going to hurt. They are doing a crap job of highlighting other guys like Kershaw.

2. The buildup was just as much MLB needing it as the Yankees wanting to make money and Yankee fans eating it up.

3. Robertson, I don't think, gave up 2 HR's in the 9th all season in a save situation

4. Joe Torre, an MLB exec was in the stadium and on the field.

5. Buck Showalter was the guy that pegged Jeter as a superstar when he saw him in draft camp when he was 18.

6. Buck Showlater is as much a historian of the game and the love of that history as any guy in a uniform right now.

7. The NFL is getting hammered all over and there is a vaccum of positive sports stories to take over.

8. Everyone knows that Jeter swings at the first pitch a hell of a lot and with a guy in scoring position in a tie game you don't groove a pitch like that right off the bat.

9. You could see Meek smiling in the replays as Jeter rounded first base.

10. The catcher purposely dropped the ball just to make sure Jeter was safe.

I assume that Torre told Buck and Joe before the game that they need a great ending for Jeter. Buck already had some plan and Joe would have done anything he was told. Robertson was told to let the Orioles tie it. The last Oriole batter was told to half swing to get out after it was tied. Meek was told to make sure that Jeter gets up with a runner on base. The Yankees put their fastest guy on first and then the bunt over should have been defended but it wasn't. And the 2nd baseman was way out of position for a hitter like Jeter on a fastball middle out that was in Jeter's wheelhouse to do exactly what he did.

Perfect story. Perfect ending. Everyone pays $49.95 to MLB for some kind of memorbilia thing with a picture of the final hit. Adam Jones is told to get on twitter and say that he loves Jeter and is happy for him.

Fade out. Profit.

3) Players cannot hit home runs at will - not even in a HR derby.

Yup. The hit itself was a gift from the O's but everything that had to happen to get to that point was just good fortune.

Speaking of those Orioles home runs ... if you've ever wondered what PED use looks like in statistical form, enjoy the baseball reference page of the man who tied the game in the top of the 9th: 31 year old journeyman Steve Pearce.

 

[Raider Nation]

Hey Brownie... where you at?

 

[Righetti]

What the hell shirt is the dude wearing right to the home plate side of the Yankee dugout?? Looks like a huge cereal box

 

[Bojang0301]

He's become the sports version of his MSNBC self and can go away again any time now. It has nothing to do with his past politico stance and everything with being a Nancy Grace type in the sports realm. No thank you, not needed, please go away.

 

[Vike Me]

It still comes to this, if Jeter had played his whole career in Kansas City, no one exept people in Kasas City would give a ####. In that case he would probably be "underratted".

like that George guy awhile back

Wait, there were stories on the fricken' national news about George Brett when he retired. Bull####.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

So...why do you shift on Jeter to pull? That's tougher to explain away than Meek's meatball.

 

[rockaction]

It was absolutely a setup. For the conspiracy theorists amongst us....

1. MLB needs to honor its clean cut stars. It doesn't have that many and losing Jeter is going to hurt. They are doing a crap job of highlighting other guys like Kershaw.

2. The buildup was just as much MLB needing it as the Yankees wanting to make money and Yankee fans eating it up.

3. Robertson, I don't think, gave up 2 HR's in the 9th all season in a save situation

4. Joe Torre, an MLB exec was in the stadium and on the field.

5. Buck Showalter was the guy that pegged Jeter as a superstar when he saw him in draft camp when he was 18.

6. Buck Showlater is as much a historian of the game and the love of that history as any guy in a uniform right now.

7. The NFL is getting hammered all over and there is a vaccum of positive sports stories to take over.

8. Everyone knows that Jeter swings at the first pitch a hell of a lot and with a guy in scoring position in a tie game you don't groove a pitch like that right off the bat.

9. You could see Meek smiling in the replays as Jeter rounded first base.

10. The catcher purposely dropped the ball just to make sure Jeter was safe.

I assume that Torre told Buck and Joe before the game that they need a great ending for Jeter. Buck already had some plan and Joe would have done anything he was told. Robertson was told to let the Orioles tie it. The last Oriole batter was told to half swing to get out after it was tied. Meek was told to make sure that Jeter gets up with a runner on base. The Yankees put their fastest guy on first and then the bunt over should have been defended but it wasn't. And the 2nd baseman was way out of position for a hitter like Jeter on a fastball middle out that was in Jeter's wheelhouse to do exactly what he did.

Perfect story. Perfect ending. Everyone pays $49.95 to MLB for some kind of memorbilia thing with a picture of the final hit. Adam Jones is told to get on twitter and say that he loves Jeter and is happy for him.

Fade out. Profit.

3) Players cannot hit home runs at will - not even in a HR derby.

Yup. The hit itself was a gift from the O's but everything that had to happen to get to that point was just good fortune.

Speaking of those Orioles home runs ... if you've ever wondered what PED use looks like in statistical form, enjoy the baseball reference page of the man who tied the game in the top of the 9th: 31 year old journeyman Steve Pearce.

I don't follow baseball enough anymore to comment intelligently about the sport or the player.

But I'm gonna go ahead and get a kick out of this anyway.

 

[Daywalker]

Jeter already had the game-winning RBI in a yanks win. It was a storybook ending already.

 

[cubd8]

He's become the sports version of his MSNBC self and can go away again any time now. It has nothing to do with his past politico stance and everything with being a Nancy Grace type in the sports realm. No thank you, not needed, please go away.

Agreed. It's a sports version of his MSNBC show. Complete trash.

 

[mquinnjr]

Our expert level grand wizard troll friend is back at it again: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/penn-state-grad-who-tweeted-about-thon-at-olbermann-i-thought-i-could-let-him-know-about-the-good-at-penn-state/#.VO4PBGh-s9o.twitter

If you feed them, they keep coming back.

 

[Rayderr]

Our expert level grand wizard troll friend is back at it again: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/penn-state-grad-who-tweeted-about-thon-at-olbermann-i-thought-i-could-let-him-know-about-the-good-at-penn-state/#.VO4PBGh-s9o.twitter

If you feed them, they keep coming back.

covered in another Olbermann thread yesterday.

 

[mquinnjr]

Our expert level grand wizard troll friend is back at it again: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/penn-state-grad-who-tweeted-about-thon-at-olbermann-i-thought-i-could-let-him-know-about-the-good-at-penn-state/#.VO4PBGh-s9o.twitter

If you feed them, they keep coming back.

covered in another Olbermann thread yesterday.

I searched "Olbermann" without quotes, last replied thread was from last year. Oh well, glad this was discussed somewhere on here.

 

[Rayderr]

Our expert level grand wizard troll friend is back at it again: http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/penn-state-grad-who-tweeted-about-thon-at-olbermann-i-thought-i-could-let-him-know-about-the-good-at-penn-state/#.VO4PBGh-s9o.twitter

If you feed them, they keep coming back.

covered in another Olbermann thread yesterday.

I searched "Olbermann" without quotes, last replied thread was from last year. Oh well, glad this was discussed somewhere on here.

weird. searching olbermann, it doesn't come up. search for olbermann and just search the title, it works.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/637774-keith-olbermann-fired-from-current-tv-to-be-replaced/

 

[avoiding injuries]

It can't be stated enough how big of a doosh this guy is.