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Are there any examples of players, from a fantasy perspective, that have returned after a one-year suspension and made any impact at all? Is there any history to provide evidence whether O Smith is likely or unliekly to ever contribute in 2006 and beyond? :popcorn:

 
Are there any examples of players, from a fantasy perspective, that have returned after a one-year suspension and made any impact at all? Is there any history to provide evidence whether O Smith is likely or unliekly to ever contribute in 2006 and beyond?

:popcorn:
I don't think so, partly because there just haven't been many players to get a 1 year suspension.
 
Are there any examples of players, from a fantasy perspective, that have returned after a one-year suspension and made any impact at all? Is there any history to provide evidence whether O Smith is likely or unliekly to ever contribute in 2006 and beyond?

:popcorn:
Bam Morris came back from two suspensions (not sure if latter one was for one year) and made a brief splash with the Chiefs ... before falling further into the pits of hell ...
 
The NFL obviously has the goods on him. They wouldn't suspend him for just having the device, something that could likely be challenged legally and overturned.

 
Finally, now I can drop the bumb and free up another roster spot. :thumbup: Thanks to all those who provided links.

 
As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU! :lol: All I can say is... you reap what you sow! What a moron... :lmao:

 
Its not official that hes done.Vikings' Smith out for rest of developmental campAssociated PressEDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. - Minnesota Vikings running back Onterrio Smith, caught recently with a device designed to beat drug tests, will miss the rest of the team's offseason program.Coach Mike Tice said today that Smith had been "excused" from workouts, but gave no specific reason."He's been excused from the rest of the offseason program and he'll be gone indefiniteley," Tice said. "I really can't speak about any reasons why or when he'll be back. It's in the league's hands. We'll leave it at that."Neither Smith's agent, Doug Hendrickson, nor NFL spokesman Greg Aiello immediately returned phone calls seeking comment.Smith missed the team's camp on Tuesday for unspecified personal reasons but had returned on Wednesday.

 
YEAH BABY, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1That's right, the LOD is even STRONGER!!!!!!!!!!1st Boston signs with Miami, then the whizzinator gets suspended and Bennett is fully in charge of the running game in Minn.YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 :lmao: :thumbup: :excited: :boxing: :D

 
The NFL obviously has the goods on him. They wouldn't suspend him for just having the device, something that could likely be challenged legally and overturned.
Wrong. He's dead.From the NFLPA collective bargaining agreement:

LINK

f. Failure or Refusal to Test. The Medical Advisor will be responsible for scheduling all Tests and for ensuring that players are notified when individual Testing will take place. No test may be scheduled for a time that is more than 24 hours after notification. Players will have 4 hours from the time of the scheduled test to produce a specimen. A failure or refusal to appear for required Testing at the time selected by the Medical Advisor without a valid reason as approved by the Medical Advisor or to cooperate fully in the Testing process as determined by the Medical Advisor will be deemed the equivalent of a Positive Test. In addition, a deliberate effort to substitute, dilute, or adulterate a specimen; or to alter a Test result; or to engage in prohibited doping methods will be treated as a Positive Test and may subject a player to additional discipline by the Commissioner.

All players in an Intervention Stage who become unavailable for Testing due to travel, temporary or permanent change of residence, prior commitments, or otherwise, are required to notify the Medical Advisor in advance of such unavailability so that the Medical Advisor can schedule accordingly if such request is reasonable. If a player fails to provide the Medical Advisor with an address and telephone number where he can be contacted, and, as a result, such player cannot be contacted when the Medical Advisor requires that a Test be administered or the player cannot be contacted at the address and telephone number provided to the Medical Advisor, the player's failure to notify the Medical Advisor or inability to be contacted shall be considered a Positive Test.

D. Entrance Into the Intervention Stages

1. Entrance.

All NFL players shall be eligible for entrance into the Intervention Stages. Such eligibility will not be affected by termination or expiration of a player's contract subsequent to entry into the Intervention Stages. Players enter Stage One of the Intervention Program by a Positive Test, Behavior or Self-Referral more fully described as follows:

a. Positive Test. Urine or blood toxicology Tests that meet the concentration levels set forth in Article I, Section C.3.c.

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

c. Self-Referral. A player, who personally notifies the Medical Director of his desire to enter voluntarily Stage One of the Intervention Program prior to his being notified to provide a specimen leading to a Positive Test, or prior to behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, becoming known to the Medical Director from a source other than the player, shall be a participant in Stage One as a Self-Referred player. Rather than notifying the Medical Director personally, the player may initiate such notice by first contacting a Club Physician for the purpose of Self Referral to Stage One of the Intervention Program. In order to effectuate a valid Self-Referral, the Club Physician must establish personal contact between the self-referring player and the Medical Director as soon as possible after being contacted by the player. Any information provided to the Club Physician by the player and disclosed by the Club Physician to the Medical Director for the purpose of establishing such contact will not be considered information from "a source other than the player" as described in subsection c(2) below. A Club Physician may not provide substance abuse treatment for any player or facilitate substance abuse treatment which is not provided by a Treating Clinician. Substance abuse treatment shall be provided only by a Treating Clinician in accordance with this Policy. A player will no longer be considered a Self-Referred player, but rather as a mandatory entrant into Stage One if:

(1) the player has a Positive Test (other than a Positive Test conducted pursuant to a Self-Referred player's Treatment Plan); or

(2) if the Medical Director is informed by a source other than the player that the player has engaged in behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, regardless of the fact that the player has previously informed the Medical Director of this behavior; or

(3) the fact of a player's Self-Referral becomes public knowledge.

 
You think fason will be our full time back???Whats mewelde gonna do? Return kickoffs?We have to many running backs and to many optionsI say we pick 1 of the 3 to pair up with Moe williams

 
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As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU! :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow! What a moron... :lmao:
Yeah, I'm furious the Vikings didn't pick Pinner ahead of Smith. Cost us 2 Super Bowls minimum with Pinner's talent!!
 
As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU!  :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow!  What a moron...  :lmao:
Yeah, I'm furious the Vikings didn't pick Pinner ahead of Smith. Cost us 2 Super Bowls minimum with Pinner's talent!!
:lmao: I wonder why they drafted that sled Jones when they have Pinner.
 
at 6'1 207 pounds Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb....as far as this season goes as long as Bennett stays healthy the job is his and he will do well

 
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The NFL obviously has the goods on him.  They wouldn't suspend him for just having the device, something that could likely be challenged legally and overturned.
Wrong. He's dead.From the NFLPA collective bargaining agreement:

LINK

f. Failure or Refusal to Test. The Medical Advisor will be responsible for scheduling all Tests and for ensuring that players are notified when individual Testing will take place. No test may be scheduled for a time that is more than 24 hours after notification. Players will have 4 hours from the time of the scheduled test to produce a specimen. A failure or refusal to appear for required Testing at the time selected by the Medical Advisor without a valid reason as approved by the Medical Advisor or to cooperate fully in the Testing process as determined by the Medical Advisor will be deemed the equivalent of a Positive Test. In addition, a deliberate effort to substitute, dilute, or adulterate a specimen; or to alter a Test result; or to engage in prohibited doping methods will be treated as a Positive Test and may subject a player to additional discipline by the Commissioner.

All players in an Intervention Stage who become unavailable for Testing due to travel, temporary or permanent change of residence, prior commitments, or otherwise, are required to notify the Medical Advisor in advance of such unavailability so that the Medical Advisor can schedule accordingly if such request is reasonable. If a player fails to provide the Medical Advisor with an address and telephone number where he can be contacted, and, as a result, such player cannot be contacted when the Medical Advisor requires that a Test be administered or the player cannot be contacted at the address and telephone number provided to the Medical Advisor, the player's failure to notify the Medical Advisor or inability to be contacted shall be considered a Positive Test.

D. Entrance Into the Intervention Stages

1. Entrance.

All NFL players shall be eligible for entrance into the Intervention Stages. Such eligibility will not be affected by termination or expiration of a player's contract subsequent to entry into the Intervention Stages. Players enter Stage One of the Intervention Program by a Positive Test, Behavior or Self-Referral more fully described as follows:

a. Positive Test. Urine or blood toxicology Tests that meet the concentration levels set forth in Article I, Section C.3.c.

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

c. Self-Referral. A player, who personally notifies the Medical Director of his desire to enter voluntarily Stage One of the Intervention Program prior to his being notified to provide a specimen leading to a Positive Test, or prior to behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, becoming known to the Medical Director from a source other than the player, shall be a participant in Stage One as a Self-Referred player. Rather than notifying the Medical Director personally, the player may initiate such notice by first contacting a Club Physician for the purpose of Self Referral to Stage One of the Intervention Program. In order to effectuate a valid Self-Referral, the Club Physician must establish personal contact between the self-referring player and the Medical Director as soon as possible after being contacted by the player. Any information provided to the Club Physician by the player and disclosed by the Club Physician to the Medical Director for the purpose of establishing such contact will not be considered information from "a source other than the player" as described in subsection c(2) below. A Club Physician may not provide substance abuse treatment for any player or facilitate substance abuse treatment which is not provided by a Treating Clinician. Substance abuse treatment shall be provided only by a Treating Clinician in accordance with this Policy. A player will no longer be considered a Self-Referred player, but rather as a mandatory entrant into Stage One if:

(1) the player has a Positive Test (other than a Positive Test conducted pursuant to a Self-Referred player's Treatment Plan); or

(2) if the Medical Director is informed by a source other than the player that the player has engaged in behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, regardless of the fact that the player has previously informed the Medical Director of this behavior; or

(3) the fact of a player's Self-Referral becomes public knowledge.
:goodposting: Posts like this are why this site rocks.....
 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself. If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing. Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.

The NFL obviously has the goods on him.  They wouldn't suspend him for just having the device, something that could likely be challenged legally and overturned.
Wrong. He's dead.From the NFLPA collective bargaining agreement:

LINK

f. Failure or Refusal to Test. The Medical Advisor will be responsible for scheduling all Tests and for ensuring that players are notified when individual Testing will take place. No test may be scheduled for a time that is more than 24 hours after notification. Players will have 4 hours from the time of the scheduled test to produce a specimen. A failure or refusal to appear for required Testing at the time selected by the Medical Advisor without a valid reason as approved by the Medical Advisor or to cooperate fully in the Testing process as determined by the Medical Advisor will be deemed the equivalent of a Positive Test. In addition, a deliberate effort to substitute, dilute, or adulterate a specimen; or to alter a Test result; or to engage in prohibited doping methods will be treated as a Positive Test and may subject a player to additional discipline by the Commissioner.

All players in an Intervention Stage who become unavailable for Testing due to travel, temporary or permanent change of residence, prior commitments, or otherwise, are required to notify the Medical Advisor in advance of such unavailability so that the Medical Advisor can schedule accordingly if such request is reasonable. If a player fails to provide the Medical Advisor with an address and telephone number where he can be contacted, and, as a result, such player cannot be contacted when the Medical Advisor requires that a Test be administered or the player cannot be contacted at the address and telephone number provided to the Medical Advisor, the player's failure to notify the Medical Advisor or inability to be contacted shall be considered a Positive Test.

D. Entrance Into the Intervention Stages

1. Entrance.

All NFL players shall be eligible for entrance into the Intervention Stages. Such eligibility will not be affected by termination or expiration of a player's contract subsequent to entry into the Intervention Stages. Players enter Stage One of the Intervention Program by a Positive Test, Behavior or Self-Referral more fully described as follows:

a. Positive Test. Urine or blood toxicology Tests that meet the concentration levels set forth in Article I, Section C.3.c.

b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

c. Self-Referral. A player, who personally notifies the Medical Director of his desire to enter voluntarily Stage One of the Intervention Program prior to his being notified to provide a specimen leading to a Positive Test, or prior to behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, becoming known to the Medical Director from a source other than the player, shall be a participant in Stage One as a Self-Referred player. Rather than notifying the Medical Director personally, the player may initiate such notice by first contacting a Club Physician for the purpose of Self Referral to Stage One of the Intervention Program. In order to effectuate a valid Self-Referral, the Club Physician must establish personal contact between the self-referring player and the Medical Director as soon as possible after being contacted by the player. Any information provided to the Club Physician by the player and disclosed by the Club Physician to the Medical Director for the purpose of establishing such contact will not be considered information from "a source other than the player" as described in subsection c(2) below. A Club Physician may not provide substance abuse treatment for any player or facilitate substance abuse treatment which is not provided by a Treating Clinician. Substance abuse treatment shall be provided only by a Treating Clinician in accordance with this Policy. A player will no longer be considered a Self-Referred player, but rather as a mandatory entrant into Stage One if:

(1) the player has a Positive Test (other than a Positive Test conducted pursuant to a Self-Referred player's Treatment Plan); or

(2) if the Medical Director is informed by a source other than the player that the player has engaged in behavior of the type described in Section D.1.b., above, regardless of the fact that the player has previously informed the Medical Director of this behavior; or

(3) the fact of a player's Self-Referral becomes public knowledge.
 
at 6'1 207 pound Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb
He has room on his frame to add weight at 6'1. We will see what he does in the preseason. He's definitely someone to keep an eye on for 2006.Priest Holmes = 5'9 213

 
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As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU! :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow! What a moron... :lmao:
Yeah, a guy in a full body cast for a year is much better to have on the roster than a guy suspended for drugs for a year. :rolleyes:

 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself. If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing. Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
exaclty.. WhizzinatorThats the website to the whizzinator
 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself. If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing. Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
You missed this (in intervention, which Smith is in):b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

Between that & the deliberate effort to substitute (note - it doesn't say the action of substitution, it says the effort to substitute), he's a goner.

Open & shut.

 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself. If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing. Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
I might agree if this guy didn't have two strikes against him already.Plus, it seems to apply to the CBA...it's definitely behavioral that he's carrying a fake penis, fake urine, both items which are specifically used to defeat drug tests.

 
As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU!   :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow!  What a moron...   :lmao:
Yeah, I'm furious the Vikings didn't pick Pinner ahead of Smith. Cost us 2 Super Bowls minimum with Pinner's talent!!
:lmao: I wonder why they drafted that sled Jones when they have Pinner.
We better simmer down or the Artose Pinner thread will be resurrected!! Run for the hills if that sucker reapprears!! :unsure:
 
I disagree. I think he and the NFLPA can easily make a case for Smith that will get him reinstated before the season starts. Like I posted before, the Whizzinator cannot be used in NFL drug tests - it would not work. Additionally, he was at the airport, not an NFL drug testing facility. There is no law on the books in the NFL that states you cannot own a Whizzinator. The NFL just wants to look tough on drug policies so congress nad the public get off their back. Unless they have a3rd positive test, Smith's suspension will not hold. Now, do I think its possible they grabbedh im, drug tested him, and he failed? sure. If thats the case then he;s done for the year. but if it is simply because of the Whizizinator, we'll see smith this year.

 
I do agree on the Behavior part of it...I meant to note that in my original reply.

Believe me, I'm not trying to defend the guy. My guess is he failed another test. I'm just saying the NFL would make sure they were absolutely covered before they made a move like this.

However it breaks down, SOD is SOL.

Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself.  If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing.  Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
I might agree if this guy didn't have two strikes against him already.Plus, it seems to apply to the CBA...it's definitely behavioral that he's carrying a fake penis, fake urine, both items which are specifically used to defeat drug tests.
 
Well Big O has really screwed up. The guy that benefits most here is Mewelde Moore. Moore is a better back than Bennett and from the way he ran last year he breaks plenty of tackles. I can't remember, but someone posted a stat that Mewelde Moore broke more tackles than any other back per games started. Moore is a good kid and a football player, won't be long before he rises to the top of the depth chart. Plus he catches the football like a WR.

 
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I disagree. I think he and the NFLPA can easily make a case for Smith that will get him reinstated before the season starts. Like I posted before, the Whizzinator cannot be used in NFL drug tests - it would not work. Additionally, he was at the airport, not an NFL drug testing facility. There is no law on the books in the NFL that states you cannot own a Whizzinator. The NFL just wants to look tough on drug policies so congress nad the public get off their back. Unless they have a3rd positive test, Smith's suspension will not hold.
But this discussion is based on the premise that the Whizzinator was his downfall...I don't think we can make that assumption yet. I think it's more likely that he has actually tested positive again for his third strike. I hope that's the case so that this doesn't drag out towards the season with an eventual re-instatement....
 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself.  If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing.  Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
You missed this (in intervention, which Smith is in):b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

Between that & the deliberate effort to substitute (note - it doesn't say the action of substitution, it says the effort to substitute), he's a goner.

Open & shut.
No way, that device was for his cousin. :brush:
 
at 6'1 207 pounds Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb....as far as this season goes as long as Bennett stays healthy the job is his and he will do well
Due to size, Fason can't handle the job yet Bennett can?Bennett:

Height: 5-9

Weight: 209 lbs.

 
at 6'1 207 pounds Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb....as far as this season goes as long as Bennett stays healthy the job is his and he will do well
Due to size, Fason can't handle the job yet Bennett can?Bennett:

Height: 5-9

Weight: 209 lbs.
:excited: :goodposting: :excited:
 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself. If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing. Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
You missed this (in intervention, which Smith is in):b. Behavior. Behavior, including but not limited to a substance abuse-related arrest, which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of substance abuse.

Between that & the deliberate effort to substitute (note - it doesn't say the action of substitution, it says the effort to substitute), he's a goner.

Open & shut.
You're obviously not a lawyer...
 
at 6'1 207 pounds Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb....as far as this season goes as long as Bennett stays healthy the job is his and he will do well
Due to size, Fason can't handle the job yet Bennett can?Bennett:

Height: 5-9

Weight: 209 lbs.
207 stretched across 4 additional inches of height makes for a significantly different body structure. Ask Todd Pinkston.
 
And from KFFL, it has nothing to do with the Whizzinator ...Vikings | Smith Gone for One Year - from www.KFFL.comThu, 19 May 2005 13:21:52 -0700ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports two sources with knowledge of the situation have told ESPN.com Minnesota Vikings RB Onterrio Smith been apprised by the NFL that he faces a one-year suspension for a repeat violation of the league's substance abuse program. The suspension is subject to appeal. Citing the league's confidentiality guidelines on such matters, an NFL spokesman on Thursday declined comment. Sources said the suspension has nothing to do with an April 21 incident in which Smith was stopped at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in possession of a device to circumvent drug tests.

 
You're obviously not a lawyer...
No, I'm not. The lawyers are the ones who drafted the agreement. The language is sufficient to make it a judgment call by the NFL, wouldn't you say?Let's also remember that the NFLPA supports the league in its anti-drug efforts. What makes you think they'll stick up for a turd like Smith?
 
at 6'1 207 pounds Fason doesn't have the size to be a featured rb....as far as this season goes as long as Bennett stays healthy the job is his and he will do well
Due to size, Fason can't handle the job yet Bennett can?Bennett:

Height: 5-9

Weight: 209 lbs.
That's correct. More weight per inch of height.Can you imagine how good a 3'7" 273 pound RB would be!! :excited:

 
And from KFFL, it has nothing to do with the Whizzinator ...

Vikings | Smith Gone for One Year - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 19 May 2005 13:21:52 -0700

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports two sources with knowledge of the situation have told ESPN.com Minnesota Vikings RB Onterrio Smith been apprised by the NFL that he faces a one-year suspension for a repeat violation of the league's substance abuse program. The suspension is subject to appeal. Citing the league's confidentiality guidelines on such matters, an NFL spokesman on Thursday declined comment. Sources said the suspension has nothing to do with an April 21 incident in which Smith was stopped at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in possession of a device to circumvent drug tests.
Just saw Pasq on ESPNews, he seemed to think Onterrio missed a drug test which as we know from above equals failing a test.
 
yet another example of how pot is non-addictive and should be legalized? Is everyone stupid, it's a GD mind altering drug?

 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself.  If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing.  Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
I might agree if this guy didn't have two strikes against him already.Plus, it seems to apply to the CBA...it's definitely behavioral that he's carrying a fake penis, fake urine, both items which are specifically used to defeat drug tests.
Fake penis? He probably should've said he had a stripper party but didn't have proof because a friend made him delete that picture.

 
As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU! :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow! What a moron... :lmao:
Yeah, I'm furious the Vikings didn't pick Pinner ahead of Smith. Cost us 2 Super Bowls minimum with Pinner's talent!!
Pinner isn't a world beater, but he's a capable backup. SOD isn't anything now.
 
As a Lions fan, and one who was slapping his head when Detroit passed on O Smith and picked Pinner instead, I can only say -- THANK YOU!  :lol:

All I can say is... you reap what you sow!  What a moron...  :lmao:
Yeah, I'm furious the Vikings didn't pick Pinner ahead of Smith. Cost us 2 Super Bowls minimum with Pinner's talent!!
Pinner isn't a world beater, but he's a capable backup. SOD isn't anything now.
What specifically about Pinner's career 2.8 YPC average convinced you he's a capable backup? That he has a heartbeat?
 
You're obviously not a lawyer...
No, I'm not. The lawyers are the ones who drafted the agreement. The language is sufficient to make it a judgment call by the NFL, wouldn't you say?Let's also remember that the NFLPA supports the league in its anti-drug efforts. What makes you think they'll stick up for a turd like Smith?
Because it is the NFLPA.
 
Yeah, but a lot of that seems to pertains to the process of the test itself.  If he tried to pull the Whizzinator out while he was actually being tested, that's one thing.  Possession of the Whizzinator at the airport is an entirely different scenario, I would believe.
I might agree if this guy didn't have two strikes against him already.Plus, it seems to apply to the CBA...it's definitely behavioral that he's carrying a fake penis, fake urine, both items which are specifically used to defeat drug tests.
Fake penis? He probably should've said he had a stripper party but didn't have proof because a friend made him delete that picture.
:lmao: :no: :lmao: :no: :lmao: :no: :lmao: :no: :lmao:
 
You're obviously not a lawyer...
No, I'm not. The lawyers are the ones who drafted the agreement. The language is sufficient to make it a judgment call by the NFL, wouldn't you say?Let's also remember that the NFLPA supports the league in its anti-drug efforts. What makes you think they'll stick up for a turd like Smith?
My only point was that a lawyer's vocabulary doesn't include the words "open and shut." From the language you quoted, I could make a reasonable argument either way -- depending on who was paying me. People often draw absolute conclusions from words that are, in fact, somewhat ambiguous. I don't think 100% confidence on the interpretation of the rules is warranted here.
 

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