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Right....that's my point. He's their darling until he isn't. It should be rather obvious that those cheering him on right now, really aren't up to speed on his overall set of positions or are and just don't care because he checks the box on this particular soundbyte. Tomorrow he'll say something they hate and he'll be the worst person in the world even though, position wise, he's the exact same person he was the day before when they were fawning all over him.
Again, this really depends on what we mean by "conservative". Elon Musk certainly isn't the darling of Mitt Romney or IvanK or Yankee23Fan here. Is he the current darling of the MAGA set? Sure, because their primary value is "owning the libs", and in this particular instance they believe Musk has done that.
Oh it’s a cesspool but I’m not sure how it can go up, only down.
Honestly, I’d rather he focus his energy and resources on continuing to make historic and groundbreaking technological advances. Diverting the attention of perhaps the world’s greatest innovator to get mired in Twitter seems like a huge waste to me. But I’m not a Twitter user, so what do I know.LawFitz said:
Can I change my vote after reading this?LawFitz said:
If it's a cesspool on your feed, that's your creation and twitter is giving you what you asked for. If you want that to change, then change it. Elon has nothing to do with that.
Right....as I make my remarks, I think of conservative as it's been for the better part of 40ish years, not what it's become in the last 8-10.
What evidentiary sources are you using to make this proclamation that it's a "cesspool"? What are you observing that you "see" it for what it is? Like I said, every single feed on that platform (and facebook as well) has the potential of being unique. I can assure you, my experience on there would be significantly different in presentation than yours. How do you determine which experience IS twitter? HINT: It isn't either/or. It's a choice. So, as I said before, if that's what you see twitter as, it's because you choose to use it that way. If you don't use it as you claim, then those you are getting your information from most certainly are choosing to use it that way if that's their experience. What's worse? Honestly, I'm not sure what's worse. The person choosing to use it that way (and then complaining about it) or the person who blindly follows the person choosing to use it that way having never really used it themselves?
This sounds like right wing media curates twitter to generate your outrage, which you readily consume.
Nope...I get it. You're "seeing" what twitter "is" third, fourth, fifth hand. I get it. This is the way a lot of people are. All I'm saying is, that's likely not a very good way to formulate an opinion on what twitter "is". That's all. You can make it whatever you want it to be. It's not something that's forced on you. I can't remember the last time I logged a visit to twitter and I certainly don't consume our media outlets. It's rather simple to avoid it honestly. MT had a post in one of these threads about a thread on twitter that MANY people have said was well done and informative. I haven't read it....I don't go to twitter.
Sounds like maybe you should go back and re-read what I posted, because if that is your impression then it sounds like Twitter is curating your outrage and dictating your every thought to bash those you disagree with.
Disagree. My twitter feed is great as I make sure it’s free of drama and politics. I also followed not a person I know IRL. But just because I keep my corner of the pond extremely clean it does not mean the pond itself isn’t contaminated. It is, and it’s toxic.
Are we saying something different? I don't think we are. What part of my comments do you disagree with? It's completely on each individual to keep their portions as they desire and if you do, the other parts don't matter at all. And Elon and company aren't going to be in any hurry to do any sort of meaningful "cleanup" in the twitter pond. Those areas are that way because that's what people want. That's what keeps them coming back and them coming back is what is most important to the bottom line.dkp993 said:
dkp993 said:
Agreed completely . This is exactly my point from yesterday about the congruency of SM platforms and the idea of Free Speech. Without some form of censorship it becomes the worst of us. I.e. 4chan or Reddit and the perfect line of censorship is impossible. It’s a quagmire.
Yes we are I believe. Just because someone (me in this example) can put on a hazmat suit, shoot myself full of antibiotics and hold machine guns in each hand keeping everyone away from me as I wade my way through doesn’t mean the environment isn’t a cesspool.
The Commish said:
I’m not saying I’m a fan of censorship, I’m just pointing out the difficulty in running a SM platform. Reddit has had its share of issues in the past with the quality of content.
I agree Reddit is one of the worst. That said, people can just choose to not go there. I don't anymore. Censorship through moderation also costs money. There are thousands of moderators that work for some of these companies. You can't automate all of it and you can't rely on unpaid moderators once you reach scale. And that in turn raises their cost of doing business which means they have to capture more personal information about you to sell to marketers or they need paid access. That's one reason why Twitter forces you to signup and login now. I would rather have free platforms with free speech and very light moderation, even if it means some end up being Reddit.
Right, and that’s the challenge. You either don’t moderate and it turns in to the worst of humanity or you choose some form of moderation (regardless of how mild) it’s still a cesspool AND you piss people off who opt out.
We'll look at this forum as a positive example. There is relative anonymity with some moderation, but it's not a toxic cesspool like Reddit. That's why I am still active here and not there.
I completely disagree. In the realm of the internet it’s heavily moderated. No cussing, no pics, no yoga pants, no insults, suspensions and banning happen all the time, etc etc etc and there are countless posts about people leaving here because of it how it’s moderated. Now don’t get me wrong I love it here and while it’s more strict then my style there’s no question Joe’s heavy hand is what keeps this place civil. I’m glad he does it even if I don’t agree with everything. That’s the dilemma though.
Some subreddits are heavily moderated, way more heavy handed than this forum. Unfortunately the decentralized moderation approach on Reddit is mostly terrible overall. And for some reason, that site attracts the most toxic people in the world, whereas on this forum it's still a small percentage.
Good question. I really only have a presence at 2 (well maybe 2.5 as I am still on FB but rarely check it) twitter and here anymore. But if I were guessing I’d say yes, and I’d also guess they are moderated pretty heavily, thus running against the idea of “free speech”.
I think there's two different moderation issues at play. One is civility and the other is mis-information. All of what you listed falls into the former. I'm not sure if there is much done on this site to moderate mis-information (which I applaud).
I'm not asking "gotcha" questions as I don't expect you to have full awareness of all social media. I'm just asking, of the places you go to, are there any you wouldn't consider cesspools as you defined above. For example, best I can tell, here would also be a cesspool if you applied your approach above. I'm leaving the possibility open that I don't fully understand what makes twitter a cesspool in your mind, thus all the questions.
