Osama Bin Laden DEAD (MERGED THREAD) (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Anybody else a little creeped out by all the celebratory stuff and the USA! USA! chants? I think it's great that the guy is dead and everything, but something about the way people have reacted is rubbing me the wrong way.

Those scenes last night celebrating the killing of Bin Laden in front of the White House were just a little too similar to the news bites we get from Al Jazeera after an American journalist/contract worker is kidnapped/killed. All that was missing were the loonies firing Kalashnikovs in the air.I understand the emotion involved. I just kinda wish we could have just acted a liiittle bit more like we've been there before. You know- hand the ball to the ref and get back to serious business...

There's a big difference in celebrating the death of innocents as opposed to celebrating the death of the most wanted man on the planet who happened to orchestrate the death of 1,000sReally getting to the point that I'm dumbfounded at how people can't figure this out with their own brains.

Do you think the folks that will watch those images in the ME will recognize the difference?

 

[simey]

I'm glad Bin Laden is dead, and I'm glad he died at the hands of the United States.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ill be honest, when I first saw it I thought it was strange way to act, but that was simple reaction upon my part, not thought out response...

Aren't those scenes from the very cities that were attacked... NYC and Washington D.C?



Aren't those scenes primarily younger people who have lived with the specter of these not only terrifying but probably life-shaping tragedies?

Agreed. Although it still is slightly weird to me since NYC and DC are overwhelmingly liberal and that would be the group that would tend to be more likely to criticize "jingoistic" behavior and the celebration of death.Have a friend from high school that is an extremely liberal political operative that lives in DC and she was out in DC last night joining in the celebration.

It's sad to me that there are a huge number of people whose reactions would be totally different if it were a Republican in the White House. (That's for both sides of the aisle). Everyone should be happy about this and everyone should be giving Obama credit for increasing the pressure and finishing this thing off.

It's FAR from over.

Guess I should have been more clear, by THIS, I meant hunting down OBL. The search for bin laden is most certainly over.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Anybody else a little creeped out by all the celebratory stuff and the USA! USA! chants? I think it's great that the guy is dead and everything, but something about the way people have reacted is rubbing me the wrong way.

Those scenes last night celebrating the killing of Bin Laden in front of the White House were just a little too similar to the news bites we get from Al Jazeera after an American journalist/contract worker is kidnapped/killed. All that was missing were the loonies firing Kalashnikovs in the air.I understand the emotion involved. I just kinda wish we could have just acted a liiittle bit more like we've been there before. You know- hand the ball to the ref and get back to serious business...

There's a big difference in celebrating the death of innocents as opposed to celebrating the death of the most wanted man on the planet who happened to orchestrate the death of 1,000sReally getting to the point that I'm dumbfounded at how people can't figure this out with their own brains.

Do you think the folks that will watch those images in the ME will recognize the difference?

I honestly don't care how they interpret it. Those that hate us are going to hate us regardless of what images they see. I mean we certainly weren't celebrating the death of a Muslim in the streets before the first WTC attack, the Embassies bombings in Africa, The USS Cole, or 9/11 and those things still happened.To blame the next attack, and there will be a next attack, on people being seen celebrating in the streets is just stupid.

 

[Mello]

Ill be honest, when I first saw it I thought it was strange way to act, but that was simple reaction upon my part, not thought out response...

Aren't those scenes from the very cities that were attacked... NYC and Washington D.C?



Aren't those scenes primarily younger people who have lived with the specter of these not only terrifying but probably life-shaping tragedies?

Agreed. Although it still is slightly weird to me since NYC and DC are overwhelmingly liberal and that would be the group that would tend to be more likely to criticize "jingoistic" behavior and the celebration of death.Have a friend from high school that is an extremely liberal political operative that lives in DC and she was out in DC last night joining in the celebration.

It's sad to me that there are a huge number of people whose reactions would be totally different if it were a Republican in the White House. (That's for both sides of the aisle). Everyone should be happy about this and everyone should be giving Obama credit for increasing the pressure and finishing this thing off.

It's FAR from over.

Yes, I'm sure we'll continue to make excuses as to why we have to waste all of our resources on the military.

 

[Rayderr]

Anybody else a little creeped out by all the celebratory stuff and the USA! USA! chants? I think it's great that the guy is dead and everything, but something about the way people have reacted is rubbing me the wrong way.

Those scenes last night celebrating the killing of Bin Laden in front of the White House were just a little too similar to the news bites we get from Al Jazeera after an American journalist/contract worker is kidnapped/killed. All that was missing were the loonies firing Kalashnikovs in the air.I understand the emotion involved. I just kinda wish we could have just acted a liiittle bit more like we've been there before. You know- hand the ball to the ref and get back to serious business...

There's a big difference in celebrating the death of innocents as opposed to celebrating the death of the most wanted man on the planet who happened to orchestrate the death of 1,000sReally getting to the point that I'm dumbfounded at how people can't figure this out with their own brains.

Do you think the folks that will watch those images in the ME will recognize the difference?

The ones that are offended by this would've been just as offended if we did nothing. "Evil swine! They kill people and don't show any emotion!"

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Great job Obama

He didnt do ####..

You really sound quite foolish.

People never cheer the owner of the team, the cheer the players and the coach.

Do you really find this to be a fair analogy?

President Obama essentially took the information that was gathered by others, presented to him with numerous suggestions by others and then made a decision to go one way or the other. Thankfully President Obama made the right decision where as the last two Presidents did not. So a bunch of posters on this board will not give Obama any credit because he did not do any thing on the field in their eyes except for say "Do it".

In your analogy he's the coach, so I am really confused by the point you are trying to prove with the bolded.

No in my analogy he is the owner. President Obama did not sit down and come up with the military strategy for this operation, he just ok'd it.

Ok...I assumed we (the people) were the owners since we elect these people to office blah blah blah. I can see argument for CEO, but not owner. That's just me.

We the voters have not been the owners in a long long time.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So he was living in a house with several other jerk-offs with no TV, phone, or internet?

MTV had to have something to do with this.....

 

[The Commish]

We the voters have not been the owners in a long long time.

If you are voting for these guys in office, you most certainly are one of the owners, whether you like it or not.

 

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So he was living in a house with several other jerk-offs with no TV, phone, or internet?MTV had to have something to do with this.....

Bravo...

 

[Rayderr]

We the voters have not been the owners in a long long time.

If you are voting for these guys in office, you most certainly are one of the owners, whether you like it or not.

1/169,000,000th owner.

 

[Parrothead]

Obama should have ordered the attack last week so the news would break right about the time of the royal wedding.. "don't want to invite me? take this!"

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

We the voters have not been the owners in a long long time.

If you are voting for these guys in office, you most certainly are one of the owners, whether you like it or not.

Don't want to hijack the thread, but you are wrong on that as well.

 

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http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/live-tweet-bin-laden-raid/'>Twitter user tweets live from town where Osama's raid took place.

 

[dickey moe]

http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/live-tweet-bin-laden-raid/'>Twitter user tweets live from town where Osama's raid took place.

Welcome to three hours ago.

 

[Two Deep]

Now if we can only eliminate the domestic terrorist (Oil Speculators and oil price gougers).

 

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http://mashable.com/2011/05/02/live-tweet-bin-laden-raid/'>Twitter user tweets live from town where Osama's raid took place.

Welcome to three hours ago.

THanks. 3 Hours ago I was still in bed. Gotta admit It's kinda nice here.

 

[BigJohn]

Now if we can only eliminate the domestic terrorist (Oil Speculators and oil price gougers).

Meijer Gas Alert for Michigan, Indiana, & Ohio! Market conditions are rapidly changing the cost of fuel. Fill up at Meijer as we expect gas prices to increase this afternoon.

Nope. Alive and doing well.

 

[Rayderr]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

 

[culdeus]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

Saw on Twitter that it was from his sister's brain. Not sure how they got a brain sample from his sister.

 

[Rayderr]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

And 2 miles from their equivalent of West Point.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

ETA: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/ts_nm/us_binladen_dna_1

 

[Tom Servo]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

Saw on Twitter that it was from his sister's brain. Not sure how they got a brain sample from his sister.

She was shot?

 

[Rayderr]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

Might want to read/watch/listen to the news.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

I thought this went down yesterday.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

And 2 miles from their equivalent of West Point.

We've got to figure out why they let this go on. They had to know he was there. Fear maybe?

 

[beer 30]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

And 2 miles from their equivalent of West Point.

I tried in the other thread but there doesn't seem to be much interest. You can search the "Pakistan plans all out war" thread for some really good discussions on the topic but there aren't a lot of folks that care to talk about it.DNA came from a family member but I see that was already covered. Interesting it came form sissy's brain, didn't know that.

 

[mozzy84]

Anybody else a little creeped out by all the celebratory stuff and the USA! USA! chants? I think it's great that the guy is dead and everything, but something about the way people have reacted is rubbing me the wrong way.

Those scenes last night celebrating the killing of Bin Laden in front of the White House were just a little too similar to the news bites we get from Al Jazeera after an American journalist/contract worker is kidnapped/killed. All that was missing were the loonies firing Kalashnikovs in the air.I understand the emotion involved. I just kinda wish we could have just acted a liiittle bit more like we've been there before. You know- hand the ball to the ref and get back to serious business...

There's a big difference in celebrating the death of innocents as opposed to celebrating the death of the most wanted man on the planet who happened to orchestrate the death of 1,000sReally getting to the point that I'm dumbfounded at how people can't figure this out with their own brains.

Do you think the folks that will watch those images in the ME will recognize the difference?

who cares, if it enrages anyone they were going to hate us regardless

 

[Sinn Fein]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

And 2 miles from their equivalent of West Point.

We've got to figure out why they let this go on. They had to know he was there. Fear maybe?

From another thread:

My link

"If Whitey Bulger can live undetected by American police for so long, why can't Osama Bin Laden live undetected by Pakistani authorities?" Haqqani asked. Bulger, the former head of Boston's Winter Hill gang, was added to the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List in mid-1999, two months after Bin Laden himself first appeared on the list. Haqqani continued, "The fact is, Mafia figures manage to do this sort of thing in Brooklyn, and Pakistan is a country that does not have the highly-developed law enforcement capabilities that your country possesses."

 

[mozzy84]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

Saw on Twitter that it was from his sister's brain. Not sure how they got a brain sample from his sister.

She was shot?

died of cancer in boston awhile back, govenment got a subpoena for her brain for the DNA they wanted. At least thats what they said last night on the news...

 

[bosoxs45]

secret nuclear bomb?

 

[beer 30]

Where are we talking about how Pakistan let the guy live basically in a military compound for the last 7 months?

And 2 miles from their equivalent of West Point.

We've got to figure out why they let this go on. They had to know he was there. Fear maybe?

They "let" this go on because the ISI covered for him, for Mullah Omar and all the rest. Reason? They birthed the Taliban to take over Afghanistan so they would have a friendly Muslim neighbor in there struggles against India. They have never been able to cut the cord because they still feel as though there is a chance to reinstate them in power. The ISI is also full up of radical hard line Muslims who would like nothing better than to see America fail in it's nation building efforts. Lastly, think back to where we were in our relationship with Pakistan on September 10th, 2001? They were very high on our #### list. This alliance between us was a matter of need on our part and billions of dollars from our treasury. Don't think for a minute that we are "friendly" with Pakistan. The fortunate part for us is the wild dog they let loose has come home to bite them in the ### as well so they walk a fine line with us (US) on one side and them (Taliban/radical Muslim hardliners) on the either.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

Saw on Twitter that it was from his sister's brain. Not sure how they got a brain sample from his sister.

She was shot?

died of cancer in boston awhile back, govenment got a subpoena for her brain for the DNA they wanted. At least thats what they said last night on the news...

Yep, per ABC news:The Americans took Bin Laden's body into custody after the firefight, taking it back to Afghanistan by helicopter, and confirmed his identity. His DNA matched DNA taken from a sister who had died of brain cancer in Boston. Her brain had been preserved in case it was needed to confirm Bin Laden's DNA. A U.S. official said Bin Laden was later buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice.

 

[Rayderr]

So they just confirmed via DNA testing that it was in fact Bin Laden. My question is, where did we get the original sample to test against?

Saw on Twitter that it was from his sister's brain. Not sure how they got a brain sample from his sister.

She was shot?

died of cancer in boston awhile back, govenment got a subpoena for her brain for the DNA they wanted. At least thats what they said last night on the news...

Yep, per ABC news:The Americans took Bin Laden's body into custody after the firefight, taking it back to Afghanistan by helicopter, and confirmed his identity. His DNA matched DNA taken from a sister who had died of brain cancer in Boston. Her brain had been preserved in case it was needed to confirm Bin Laden's DNA. A U.S. official said Bin Laden was later buried at sea in accordance with Islamic practice.

So wouldn't this just mean that we killed a Bin Laden, bit the Bin laden?(Note: I firmly do believe he is dead, just find the methodology interesting.)

 

[medium aristotle]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

ETA: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/ts_nm/us_binladen_dna_1

From the linked story:

The strike force was on the ground for less than 40 minutes and the operation was watched real-time by CIA Director Leon Panetta and other intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia

Does this mean there's video of Osama getting capped?

 

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secret nuclear bomb?

Color me skeptical..

 

[El Floppo]

Ok... so thank freaking god.

Quick question for you guys: these images of HS/College kids on spring-break partying in front of the White House right now- that's different than seeing young people in Afghanistan celebrating terror strikes against the USA... right?

I asked this last night, and am glad it's being discussed today.I'm in the camp felt disturbed by seeing my fellow citizens partying like it was 1999- I'm happy the *******'s dead, but even as NYCer, don't feel like celebrating it for a variety of reasons.

I understand that there's a difference here, but what seems to be missing in the arguments for the celebrations being substantially different than those in the ME is any sense of understanding or even trying to find an understanding of why those kids in the ME might be celebrating our deaths in the first place. I bring this up not to take their side, but to offer that these kids have reasons for hating us- reasons for seeing us as the enemy. Is the only difference in our celebrations versus theirs' a matter of perspective? Because you know damned well these images of drunk shirtless college kids high-fiving each other while waving the US flag is going to be the primary image that gets played in the ME about this ... I'm sure many of you supporting the celebrations don't give a #### what those people think over there... I guess IMO that's a stance that only perpetuates the climate that breeds those kids over there and continues expanding the ranks of future terrorists. I've always felt like we need to fight our existing enemies with force, but our future enemies with understanding... so that maybe they head in a different direction. :idealistic:

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

So wouldn't this just mean that we killed a Bin Laden, bit the Bin laden?

(Note: I firmly do believe he is dead, just find the methodology interesting.)

Yeah, if we weren't able to identify his body. Since they presumably shot him it's pretty definitive. Not a lot of 6'4 Middle Eastern dudes fitting that description.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I'm also in the "happy he's dead but think the celebrating is unseemly" camp.

 

[SlaX]

This has Jack Bauer written all over it.

Damn, Delta Force got him on a raid? I hope we find out where they got their intel, that is amazing.

Could it really have been anyone but Chuck Norris?

Jack Bauer, the best Counter-Terrorist Unit agent they have.

From Jack Bauer's Wikipedia page:

On May 1st, 2011 when reports of Osama Bin Laden's death surfaced, Jack Bauer became a trending topic on Twitter, with people announcing it was Bauer himself responsible for the death, Bauer's involvement cannot be confirmed.[21]

 

[Carver]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

ETA: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/ts_nm/us_binladen_dna_1

From the linked story:

The strike force was on the ground for less than 40 minutes and the operation was watched real-time by CIA Director Leon Panetta and other intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia

Does this mean there's video of Osama getting capped?

of coarse there is.

 

[jon_mx]

What would be ironic is if information received from Gitmo and in particular waterboarding provided the key lead which lead to Osama.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Has anyone heard why Obama made the statement when he did? Its been about a week and apparently they are still waiting for the DNA results. I'm not criticizing, just was curious why a week.

ETA: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/ts_nm/us_binladen_dna_1

From the linked story:

The strike force was on the ground for less than 40 minutes and the operation was watched real-time by CIA Director Leon Panetta and other intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia

Does this mean there's video of Osama getting capped?

of coarse there is.

sounds rough

 

[simey]

So wouldn't this just mean that we killed a Bin Laden, bit the Bin laden?

(Note: I firmly do believe he is dead, just find the methodology interesting.)

Yeah, if we weren't able to identify his body. Since they presumably shot him it's pretty definitive. Not a lot of 6'4 Middle Eastern dudes fitting that description.

I just saw an intelligence guy on tv talking about the operation, and he said the main reason they buried him at sea was so he wouldn't become a shrine, which would happen if he had a ground buriel. He also said that Pakistan had nothing to do with their operation, and Pakistan kept telling them that Bin Laden was not at that compound. He was asked why the President in his speech gave Pakistan credit for helping them find Bin Laden, and he repeated himself saying Pakistan gave them no information on Bin Laden. He also said they weren't sure if Bin Laden was in the compound, they just took the chance he might be. They knew his courier was living there, and they were suspicious that there were no phone or computer lines, etc. in that huge expensive compound. He said they went over the barbed wire wall with helicopters and the seals dropped down and forced their way into the compound. He said there was gun fire for 5 minutes, and the remaining time at the compound was gathering documents, etc. He said the soldiers recognized Bin Laden and asked him to surrender, he did not, so they killed him. He said no American soldiers were hurt, nor were any civilians. He said evidentally Bin Laden was very comfortable there, because there weren't many bodyguards surrounding him.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

What would be ironic is if information received from Gitmo and in particular waterboarding provided the key lead which lead to Osama.

You should probably stop posting.Your baseless speculation is incredibly dangerous. Could the above be true? Of course. Is it any more true than the 1000 ridiculous things you post every week? No.

 

[Dragons]

What would be ironic is if information received from Gitmo and in particular waterboarding provided the key lead which lead to Osama.

I'm pretty sure I already read somewhere that this is the case.ETA - Link

 

[Shtaym Syek]

What would be ironic is if information received from Gitmo and in particular waterboarding provided the key lead which lead to Osama.

I'm pretty sure I already read somewhere that this is the case.

This is true. The waterboarding bit is the dangerous speculation. People like Jon will immediately jump to that conclusion, and it will become "fact" like the fake birth certificate, like the $2 million Obama spent to defend it, etc.

 

[glvsav37]

sorry if a repost....A guy who lives in the are twittered through the whole operation, but he didn't realize what was happening.

http://twitter.com/#!/reallyvirtual

 

[cstu]

What would be ironic is if information received from Gitmo and in particular waterboarding provided the key lead which lead to Osama.

I'm pretty sure I already read somewhere that this is the case.

This is true. The waterboarding bit is the dangerous speculation. People like Jon will immediately jump to that conclusion, and it will become "fact" like the fake birth certificate, like the $2 million Obama spent to defend it, etc.

There are much more effective interrogation techniques that could have led to this information. What I find confusing is that the U.S. had captured OBL's courier who knew where he was, yet OBL didn't move? Makes me wonder how bad of shape he was in.