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Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶‍♂️ (1 Viewer)

Otis said:
That makes sense.  With three little kids I find it nearly impossible to have any kind of routine--everyone is always sick and the house is always chaos.  I can't even fathom my wife getting time.  Got her a Peloton bike for Xmas that she's used exactly one time...
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With the amount of hours you put in, you're in a really though spot.   The money was nice, but so glad those days of commuting to the city are over with.  There's no way I'd be able to stay fit doing that.   

 
proninja said:
It would probably be helpful if you clarified exactly what you are trying to say, then. I don't think you'll get any argument that too much salt is bad, it's just a question of where that line is drawn. You started out saying that you have disdain for people who put salt on food, which is (imo) silly and suggests you believe that salt is bad for you, not too much salt is bad for you. 

So, since you're going to keep going on this, would you clarify what it is you're trying to say rather than deflect an argument by saying that you know but that isn't the point?
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He didn't say that.    I think he used the words "showering" and "pouring".

 
Tom Skerritt said:
I appreciate the support. I guess I need to go on another rant about reading comprehension. 
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No but if we are talking reading comprehension you really should consider going over the primary scientific literature.

Any claims of correlation between salt and heart disease is spurious at best.

It's great that you choose to be extremely cautious when it comes to salt.  I also agree that people way over salt their food, but I feel that way because I think it destroys the taste not because I think they are killing themselves.

 
Had probably my worst breakfast since starting this...went to McDonalds and had a "bacon egg & cheese biscuit" and substituted the hashbrowns for a yogurt parfait and got an orange juice.  Damnit.

 
rascal said:
Had probably my worst breakfast since starting this...went to McDonalds and had a "bacon egg & cheese biscuit" and substituted the hashbrowns for a yogurt parfait and got an orange juice.  Damnit.
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If you're going to do this, at least get the McGriddle next time

 
Another 1.5-2 lbs of potatoes for lunch with 32oz water/unsweetened tea  Felt I could eat more, but now 20 minutes later I feel full and not hungry.  Will have some more water this afternoon and potatoes for dinner.  1 full day in on potatoes only.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
The science behind sodium reduction is clear. Robust evidence has linked excess sodium intake with high blood pressure, which increases the risk of heart attack, stroke, and heart failure.
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Excess salt may be bad, but the reasoning above is invalid. (And it's the same reasoning used in the New England Journal of Medicine article cited earlier.)

Suppose, hypothetically, that there are two ways in which blood pressure can be raised: eating excess salt, and eating excess pepper. And suppose that increased blood pressure from eating too much pepper is associated with more heart attacks while increased blood pressure from eating excess salt is not. In that case, the quote above would still be true even though increased salt intake wouldn't be associated with more heart attacks.

This shows that just because A causes B and B causes C, that doesn't mean that A causes C. Whether A causes C should be demonstrated directly; sticking B in there as a go-between just complicates things and may lead to errors. (In the case of sodium and heart attacks, it's true that increased salt consumption is associated directly with increased heart attacks, but that's different from saying that sodium causes heart attacks. The primary source of sodium is in processed foods, and processed foods are bad for all kinds of reasons besides sodium. Sodium may just be along for the ride.)

This is not just an abstract logic puzzle. Something like that may very well be true when it comes to sodium, blood pressure, and heart disease.

Think of blood pressure as being analogous to water pressure running through a hose. There are two basic ways to increase the water pressure in a hose. First, you can crank up the water coming out of the faucet, thus increasing the volume of water running through the hose. More volume in the same space means more pressure. This is how salt works in the blood: it causes water retention, increasing blood volume. More volume in the same arteries means more pressure. Second, instead of messing with the faucet, you can pinch a portion of the hose with your fingers. The volume of water is the same, but it now has to travel through a narrower area, which means more pressure. (The same effect happens when you use your thumb to cover up half of the end of the hose where the water shoots out.) This, too, is analogous to what can happen in the cardiovascular system. Suppose you have plaque build-up in your arteries. It narrows the "hose" that the blood must run through in that area, thus increasing blood pressure.

It is quite possible that the first cause of high blood pressure (increasing blood volume without affecting arterial plaque) is harmless while the second cause of high blood pressure (buildup of arterial plaque) is a signal of heart disease, and is thus associated with a higher risk of heart attack.

Since sodium intake may affect only the first cause of high blood pressure, it wouldn't be hard to see how increased sodium intake would lead to high blood pressure (via the first pathway), and high blood pressure would be associated with an increased risk of heart attack (via the second pathway) even if increased sodium intake does not cause an increased risk of heart attack. (This may still be true even if increased sodium intake is associated with an increased risk of heart attack if the association is due to riding along in processed foods that are unhealthy for other reasons.)

 
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rick6668 said:
Another 1.5-2 lbs of potatoes for lunch with 32oz water/unsweetened tea  
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Just want to chime in to say that, as far as bottled unsweetened tea goes, Tejava is fantastic if you want black tea, and Teas' Tea (made by Ito En) is fantastic if you want green tea. They're both very smooth and non-bitter and drinkable compared to other brands, IMO.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Excess salt may be bad, but the reasoning above is invalid. (And it's the same reasoning used in the New England Journal of Medicine article cited earlier.)

Suppose, hypothetically, that there are two ways in which blood pressure can be raised: eating excess salt, and eating excess pepper. And suppose that increased blood pressure from eating too much pepper is associated with more heart attacks while increased blood pressure from eating excess salt is not. In that case, the quote above would still be true even though increased salt intake wouldn't be associated with more heart attacks.

This shows that just because A causes B and B causes C, that doesn't mean that A causes C. Whether A causes C should be demonstrated directly; sticking B in there as a go-between just complicates things and may lead to errors. (In the case of sodium and heart attacks, it's true that increased salt consumption is associated directly with increased heart attacks, but that's different from saying that sodium causes heart attacks. The primary source of sodium is in processed foods, and processed foods are bad for all kinds of reasons besides sodium. Sodium may just be along for the ride.)

This is not just an abstract logic puzzle. Something like that may very well be true when it comes to sodium, blood pressure, and heart disease.

Think of blood pressure as being analogous to water pressure running through a hose. There are two basic ways to increase the water pressure in a hose. First, you can crank up the water coming out of the faucet, thus increasing the volume of water running through the hose. More volume in the same space means more pressure. This is how salt works in the blood: it causes water retention, increasing blood volume. More volume in the same arteries means more pressure. Second, instead of messing with the faucet, you can pinch a portion of the hose with your fingers. The volume of water is the same, but it now has to travel through a narrower area, which means more pressure. (The same effect happens when you use your thumb to cover up half of the end of the hose where the water shoots out.) This, too, is analogous to what can happen in the cardiovascular system. Suppose you have plaque build-up in your arteries. It narrows the "hose" that the blood must run through in that area, thus increasing blood pressure.

It is quite possible that the first cause of high blood pressure (increasing blood volume without affecting arterial plaque) is harmless while the second cause of high blood pressure (buildup of arterial plaque) is a signal of heart disease, and is thus associated with a higher risk of heart attack.

Since sodium intake may affect only the first cause of high blood pressure, it wouldn't be hard to see how increased sodium intake would lead to high blood pressure (via the first pathway), and high blood pressure would be associated with an increased risk of heart attack (via the second pathway) even if increased sodium intake does not cause an increased risk of heart attack. (This may still be true even if increased sodium intake is associated with an increased risk of heart attack if the association is due to riding along in processed foods that are unhealthy for other reasons.)
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I was going to say all this. Thanks for taking care of it, MT.

 
Enough of this crap - is salt good for you or not?

Let me guess, it depends, right?  Like everything?  Eggs are bad, no good, no bad, no good but just the whites, what do you mean just the whites, the yokes have all the nutrients, yeah but the yokes have cholesterol, oh yeah, the good cholesterol or the bad cholesterol, what the hell are you talking about good cholesterol, you know the good kind that you need in your diet like you get from eggs, the whites or the yokes, the yokes you dumb***, but they are bad for you, not anymore, oh ok good, what about butter....

..... salted or unsalted. 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Enough of this crap - is salt good for you or not?

Let me guess, it depends, right?  Like everything?  Eggs are bad, no good, no bad, no good but just the whites, what do you mean just the whites, the yokes have all the nutrients, yeah but the yokes have cholesterol, oh yeah, the good cholesterol or the bad cholesterol, what the hell are you talking about good cholesterol, you know the good kind that you need in your diet like you get from eggs, the whites or the yokes, the yokes you dumb***, but they are bad for you, not anymore, oh ok good, what about butter....

..... salted or unsalted. 
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FWIW... dietary cholesterol has no effect on serum cholesterol.  Go figure.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Enough of this crap - is salt good for you or not?

Let me guess, it depends, right?  Like everything?  Eggs are bad, no good, no bad, no good but just the whites, what do you mean just the whites, the yokes have all the nutrients, yeah but the yokes have cholesterol, oh yeah, the good cholesterol or the bad cholesterol, what the hell are you talking about good cholesterol, you know the good kind that you need in your diet like you get from eggs, the whites or the yokes, the yokes you dumb***, but they are bad for you, not anymore, oh ok good, what about butter....

..... salted or unsalted. 
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Salt is nearly impossible to study. Nobody has a ####### clue.  

Avoid processed foods and try to get used to eating more bland food or adding flavors that don't include salt (red peppers)  

Focus on the high priority items, like cutting out sugar and other empty calories.

 
Been up since 1am this morning and have only consumed ~450 calories -- 2 protein shakes, 2 hard-boiled egg whites, and maybe a cup of veggie chips

 
shadyridr said:
I go on my lunch break to the gym. Is that possible for you?
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It's just not.  I literally sit down at my desk at 9am and am on the run till I try to slip out around 6.  No lunch break, no real break of any sort.  I'm on e-mail and working late at night, on weekends.  My work is just all consuming these days.  And of course, when I'm home, I try to spend what little time I have with my wife and girls.  Hard for me on a weekend, after I barely see them, to be like "hey, I'm gonna go hit the gym, back in 90 minutes."

There was a point a few years ago where work was much less crazy than it has been, and I was slipping out for lunch, going for a run in the park/lifting, and showering, and then coming back.  But that just became impossible for me.

It sounds like a bunch of excuses, but that's because that's what it is.  I'm working my life away these days, but is what it is.  I'm hoping this phase will pass.  

 
Speaking of salt, anyone else try the pink Himalayan salt from costco?   Life changing.   This stuff is literally mined from the Himalayas.  We're talking Everest here.   

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Just want to chime in to say that, as far as bottled unsweetened tea goes, Tejava is fantastic if you want black tea, and Teas' Tea (made by Ito En) is fantastic if you want green tea. They're both very smooth and non-bitter and drinkable compared to other brands, IMO.
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Personally I cannot comment on those brands but making tea and letting it cool is not outside my skillset.

:P

 
Used a spiral slicer on a russet and boiled for 5 minutes, then on a baking sheet with seasoned salt, cayenne etc, baked for 20 minutes, came out like potato sticks, not bad.  Eating those for a snack while my 5 lbs are in the oven baking.  

Finding myself not really hungry, will eat the potato stick, but that might be all.  I am usually starving by now.

 
rick6668 said:
Used a spiral slicer on a russet and boiled for 5 minutes, then on a baking sheet with seasoned salt, cayenne etc, baked for 20 minutes, came out like potato sticks, not bad.  Eating those for a snack while my 5 lbs are in the oven baking.  

Finding myself not really hungry, will eat the potato stick, but that might be all.  I am usually starving by now.
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PotatoMagic.  I'm telling you.

I just don't have the stomach for it these days.  But it really was magical.

 
Otis said:
It's just not.  I literally sit down at my desk at 9am and am on the run till I try to slip out around 6.  No lunch break, no real break of any sort.  I'm on e-mail and working late at night, on weekends.  My work is just all consuming these days.  And of course, when I'm home, I try to spend what little time I have with my wife and girls.  Hard for me on a weekend, after I barely see them, to be like "hey, I'm gonna go hit the gym, back in 90 minutes."

There was a point a few years ago where work was much less crazy than it has been, and I was slipping out for lunch, going for a run in the park/lifting, and showering, and then coming back.  But that just became impossible for me.

It sounds like a bunch of excuses, but that's because that's what it is.  I'm working my life away these days, but is what it is.  I'm hoping this phase will pass.  
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Put a workout area in your house?  

 
DocHolliday said:
Put a workout area in your house?  
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This is the way to go.  I have an elliptical, row machine, set of kettlebells, and the bowflex adjustable dumbbells.  

I realized years ago (living in Ohio), there was no way to get my butt out of bed at 5:00 am to bundle up and drive to the gym.  Now I sleep a little longer and head to the basement...and it allows me to watch the DVRs of the shows I actually like (have 2 girls 4 & 3).

 
Did someone say that white rice is healthier than brown rice in here?  Please post the reasons.  I mentioned that to my wife and she shot down it down in about 5 seconds. :bag:

 
chet said:
Did someone say that white rice is healthier than brown rice in here?  Please post the reasons.  I mentioned that to my wife and she shot down it down in about 5 seconds. :bag:
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Someone did.  Same for my wife.  Would love to get the facts on this too.

 
Otis said:
PotatoMagic.  I'm telling you.

I just don't have the stomach for it these days.  But it really was magical.
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These ones I just took out of the oven are amazing.  Will post a pic tomorrow.   I'm only eating a little and I'm full.   :loco:   Crazy.

 
chet said:
My wife googled it and I think we are SOL.  She quoted multiple studies from credible sources supporting brown rice over white.
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The argument is that although brown rice is healthier......slightly....from a nutritional standpoint over white rice, there are a lot more pesticides/arsenic/toxins in brown that don't make the negligible health benefits worth it.

 
Otis said:
It's just not.  I literally sit down at my desk at 9am and am on the run till I try to slip out around 6.  No lunch break, no real break of any sort.  I'm on e-mail and working late at night, on weekends.  My work is just all consuming these days.  And of course, when I'm home, I try to spend what little time I have with my wife and girls.  Hard for me on a weekend, after I barely see them, to be like "hey, I'm gonna go hit the gym, back in 90 minutes."

There was a point a few years ago where work was much less crazy than it has been, and I was slipping out for lunch, going for a run in the park/lifting, and showering, and then coming back.  But that just became impossible for me.

It sounds like a bunch of excuses, but that's because that's what it is.  I'm working my life away these days, but is what it is.  I'm hoping this phase will pass.  
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For the past few weeks (as I've been posting), I've been getting up at 5:00, working out and in the car for work at 6:45, at work by 7:20.  I then can do whatever I want the rest of the day and don't have to worry about working out.  A big key is boozing in the evening derails this very quickly.

 
Otis said:
It's just not.  I literally sit down at my desk at 9am and am on the run till I try to slip out around 6.  No lunch break, no real break of any sort.  I'm on e-mail and working late at night, on weekends.  My work is just all consuming these days.  And of course, when I'm home, I try to spend what little time I have with my wife and girls.  Hard for me on a weekend, after I barely see them, to be like "hey, I'm gonna go hit the gym, back in 90 minutes."

There was a point a few years ago where work was much less crazy than it has been, and I was slipping out for lunch, going for a run in the park/lifting, and showering, and then coming back.  But that just became impossible for me.

It sounds like a bunch of excuses, but that's because that's what it is.  I'm working my life away these days, but is what it is.  I'm hoping this phase will pass.  
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So you're working 9 hours a day?  Seems like you'd have time to workout an hour before work or get to work an hour early and take an hour lunch to workout.  I may be misreading since I'm not factoring working from home before or after you are at work.

 
NutterButter said:
Speaking of salt, anyone else try the pink Himalayan salt from costco?   Life changing.   This stuff is literally mined from the Himalayas.  We're talking Everest here.   
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Overpriced and overrated. The whole artisanal/heirloom/finishing salt craze has gotten out of hand. Another scheme to more efficiently separate the consumer from his/her $$$.

You need kosher and table that's it. And if you absolutely must get all fancy then shoot the locks off the wallet and buy a box of Maldon sea salt flakes for finishing (adds a nice texture).

 
Good news: this thing works REALLY well

Ronco Chip-Tastic with Slice-o-Matic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BHLBL0E/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_RRdGybRCXNJ6G

Badnews, if you're rushing and not paying attention it WILL shave about 1/4" thick slice off your middle finger on your right hand. :lol:

Have no fear. I plan to use my new flat-tipped finger's powers for good and not evil. :gang1:  Plus that's like an ounce or two of weight loss right there! :championship:

 
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chet said:
My wife googled it and I think we are SOL.  She quoted multiple studies from credible sources supporting brown rice over white.
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eoMMan said:
The argument is that although brown rice is healthier......slightly....from a nutritional standpoint over white rice, there are a lot more pesticides/arsenic/toxins in brown that don't make the negligible health benefits worth it.
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Have your wife compare the nutrition data of 1 cup of cooked rice: the extra fiber (2.5 grams), extra protein (1 gram), and extra nutrients (sodium and potassium) isn't a significant amount and can be easily made up in other parts of your diet. She'll also find that brown rice has more calories (216 vs 189!), more fat (1.8 g vs 0.5!), more carbs (44.8 g vs 42 g), and less calcium and iron.

So with that data and the higher risk for chemical toxins, there's no reason to choose brown rice over white rice unless you really, truly like the taste.

 
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NutterButter said:
Speaking of salt, anyone else try the pink Himalayan salt from costco?   Life changing.   This stuff is literally mined from the Himalayas.  We're talking Everest here.   
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My wife uses this. And yes, it's pink.

 
Didn't plan on eating last night, but the wife wanted to go out and celebrate a work thing. Went to a local Japanese/Chinese restaurant with the family. I ordered the mixed vegetables with bean curd. And then went to the ice cream shop next door after dinner. Sat there and watched everyone eat ice cream. Funny though, after almost two weeks of little to no carbs, I was not all that interested in having ice cream. Good day for me.

 
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