Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶‍♂️ (4 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

Missing a ton of weigh-ins for the week.  

 

[Keerock]

Missing a ton of weigh-ins for the week.  

It's February... they're dropping like flies.

 

[culdeus]

It's February... they're dropping like flies.

We are now past the point that is generally accepted as the resolution end point 2/6 more or less Super Bowl Monday.  

Half should be back at the start point by the end of the contest and 90%-100% some 6 to 12 months later.  It's just simple biology.  

 

[eoMMan]

It's February... they're dropping like flies.

It'll be interesting to see who pays the charity money. 

 

[The Gator]

We are now past the point that is generally accepted as the resolution end point 2/6 more or less Super Bowl Monday.  

Half should be back at the start point by the end of the contest and 90%-100% some 6 to 12 months later.  It's just simple biology.  

We get it

 

[NutterButter]

We are now past the point that is generally accepted as the resolution end point 2/6 more or less Super Bowl Monday.  

Half should be back at the start point by the end of the contest and 90%-100% some 6 to 12 months later.  It's just simple biology.  

so you're saying next year's contest is safe?

 

[eoMMan]

We get it

It's simply IALALTE science*. Not really complicated. 

*I am lazy and like to eat.

 

[shadyridr]

Just went for a (slow) 2.75 mile run (hammy hurts for the last 6 months) and weighed myself. Down another 2.5lbs since last weigh in!

 

[The Gator]

It's simply IALALTE science*. Not really complicated. 

*I am lazy and like to eat.

I was more commenting  on his repeating posts

 

[rick6668]

Breakfast: None

Lunch: Salad with tomatoes, red onion and a little poppy seed dressing.  Celery, peppers and cucumbers, a few boiled potatoes.  

Dinner: Some pulled chicken with BBQ sauce and broccoli.

Good news, my coat is fitting better, was pretty tight in December in the stomach.  Went down a size in pants, belt is 2 notches smaller. Can run up and down the stairs now without have to catch my breath.  Long way to go and it will get tougher now, but just need to keep doing what I'm doing.  

@culdeus Kick my ### if I am in the 90%+ in 6-12 months

 

[AAABatteries]

@culdeus - is there a point in time that someone can move from the 90% to the 10%?  Is there some type of physiological change given enough time?

I'm still not sure I even understand the numbers, so maybe start there?  I know you've said this a few times (as Gator so eloquently told us) but I don't recall seeing any science behind it.

 

[AcerFC]

Just went for a (slow) 2.75 mile run (hammy hurts for the last 6 months) and weighed myself. Down another 2.5lbs since last weigh in!

That is called sweat

 

[shadyridr]

That is called sweat

I wasnt really sweating that much but I do agree it was mostly due to that.

 

[BassNBrew]

Just went for a (slow) 2.75 mile run (hammy hurts for the last 6 months) and weighed myself. Down another 2.5lbs since last weigh in!

Congrats.  That may be the break through you were looking for.

 

[James Daulton]

I sense a weakening ITT.  Maybe some more AAA selfies will get things going again?

 

[culdeus]

@culdeus - is there a point in time that someone can move from the 90% to the 10%?  Is there some type of physiological change given enough time?

I'm still not sure I even understand the numbers, so maybe start there?  I know you've said this a few times (as Gator so eloquently told us) but I don't recall seeing any science behind it.

It appears it takes about 2 years to establish a new and firm set point for endocrine and hormonal factors like serotonin/leptin and others. 

The reasons why it takes so long are not well understood.  Some show more some show much less.  How the weight is lost is a factor as are age/race/gender controls.  Nobody can afford to do the 5-10 year studies because you can't even get people to stay on a diet for 6 weeks, let alone 6 years.

Weight loss surgery is really the only way forward for more than 90% of people.  That seems to be the only way to hold the line for people long enough to cross that 24 month barrier and why WLS patients are good study candidates.  

 

[AAABatteries]

I sense a weakening ITT.  Maybe some more AAA selfies will get things going again?

In addition to the $100 for charity we should have said something like everyone not in the top-5 has to use a topless selfie of themselves as their avatar for the rest of the year.

 

[skillz]

Summer is coming. My wife looks fantastic. I look like a Volkswagen she could hide behind if we take fire. 

Let's go do this. 

Says the guy who hasn't weighed himself for two weeks and the last time he weighed in he went UP 1.2 lbs.

You better reverse the trend or the wife may start looking for other options, divorce you, and take half your money to be with a younger version of you.

So either start hiding money, or start hiding food right now!

 

[shadyridr]

Congrats.  That may be the break through you were looking for.

Thanks man. 7 straight days working out hopefully was the trick to boost my metabolism. Cheat dinner coming on Saturday

 

[Charlie Harper]

We are now past the point that is generally accepted as the resolution end point 2/6 more or less Super Bowl Monday.  

Half should be back at the start point by the end of the contest and 90%-100% some 6 to 12 months later.  It's just simple biology.  

So there's no such thing as discipline and self control? 

Are you really say weight loss is genetic?

 

[The Gator]

In addition to the $100 for charity we should have said something like everyone not in the top-5 has to use a topless selfie of themselves as their avatar for the rest of the year.

Great idea

Glad you thought of it too late  

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

So there's no such thing as discipline and self control? 

Are you really say weight loss is genetic?

Discipline and self-control are finite resources.  If you're relying on them to keep you healthy for the rest of your life, you're almost certain to fail.  

The idea is to get to the point where you can stay fit with only some mild levels of self-control.  That's what almost all people do who have never been seriously overweight.  They don't struggle every day with their eating choices.  They just routinely eat less/better food.  It isn't particularly hard for them to do it.

The problem is that if you've been overweight for a long time it is extremely hard to get to that point, if it can even be done.  That's why there's such a high failure rate.

 

[DocHolliday]

Did not hit the weights or cardio yesterday.  Did chest and 30 minutes on the bike today.  Could not wait to work out again after taking a day off.  I am taking a break from the weights next week.  It will be good for my old body to get a little break.  I will keep watching my diet and do cardio. 

All the quitters need to think about the progress that they have made and how foolish it is to waste that effort.  There is plenty of time to get in better shape before beach season.  Get back on the horse. 

 

[James Daulton]

Here's the rub, few people actually care how they look.  A few more care about their health.  That adds up to about 10% of the male population over 40.  And I might be high in that estimate.

 

[msommer]

In addition to the $100 for charity we should have said something like everyone not in the top-5 has to use a topless selfie of themselves as their avatar for the rest of the year.

Why should the rest of the FFA be punished?

 

[culdeus]

So there's no such thing as discipline and self control? 

Are you really say weight loss is genetic?

There is some genetic expression to fat and muscle gain and loss.  There are also environmental factors.  Your environment can overrun your genetics.  

There's enough evidence out there, both anecdotally and scientifically to say that the body finds a certain set point. That point is not nearly as fluid going down as going up.  So a person that perhaps was 275 and now is 195 will have a set point to 275, and if in a calorie surplus will store fat more easily to get back to the same set point.

There seemingly are some factors that can help reset this, but they involve far too many variables for modern science to control long term.  When they do figure this out I expect that:

• You can do cardio (or nothing) to cut, but you must do resistance training to maintain until you get your set point.  This really isn't negotiable.  Brah.
  
  (Probably because this puts serotonin in balance better than cardio for a <setpoint individual)
  

[*]You can cut with whatever macros you want, but eating sugar below your set point will blow you up faster than thermo would suggest possible.  

• 
  (Probably because it helps carry fat storage hormones over the blood brain barrier)
  

[*]Fasting, or at least carb fasting, every so often below set point is perhaps mandatory. 

• 
  Who the #### knows why, it just seems to work.  Seems maybe to affect leptin imbalance in <setpoint people.  Dubious of this, but whatever.    
  

 

[AAABatteries]

Why should the rest of the FFA be punished?

Why not?

 

[James Daulton]

Why should the rest of the FFA be punished?

There is some genetic expression to fat and muscle gain and loss.  There are also environmental factors.  Your environment can overrun your genetics.  

There's enough evidence out there, both anecdotally and scientifically to say that the body finds a certain set point. That point is not nearly as fluid going down as going up.  So a person that perhaps was 275 and now is 195 will have a set point to 275, and if in a calorie surplus will store fat more easily to get back to the same set point.

There seemingly are some factors that can help reset this, but they involve far too many variables for modern science to control long term.  When they do figure this out I expect that:

• You can do cardio (or nothing) to cut, but you must do resistance training to maintain until you get your set point.  This really isn't negotiable.  Brah.
  
  (Probably because this puts serotonin in balance better than cardio for a <setpoint individual)
  

[*]You can cut with whatever macros you want, but eating sugar below your set point will blow you up faster than thermo would suggest possible.  

• 
  (Probably because it helps carry fat storage hormones over the blood brain barrier)
  

[*]Fasting, or at least carb fasting, every so often below set point is perhaps mandatory. 

• 
  Who the #### knows why, it just seems to work.  Seems maybe to affect leptin imbalance in <setpoint people.  Dubious of this, but whatever.    
  

I believe this as well.  It's extremely difficult to fight against your set points.  And even the non-thermo based factors do have some foundation in testing.  Not a ton, I'd say, but still the effects were measureable. 

 

[James Daulton]

Why should the rest of the FFA be punished?

Maybe it could be considered a warning of a sort where any future entrants into such a contest would know the ramifications for not taking it seriously.  Kind of like sticking the heads of your enemies on poles on the borders of your land.  Enter here and you may lose either your  head or your dignity. 

 

[Sand]

Thanks,

BTW, I mentioned it a while back, but there is an error in the Biggest Weight Loss section in the formulas for 4th and 5th place.

Copy and paste error - it's fixed!

 

[Sand]

In addition to the $100 for charity we should have said something like everyone not in the top-5 has to use a topless selfie of themselves as their avatar for the rest of the year.

If I win I'm just going to make Otis give his $100 to the Conservative Victory Fund.  That's worse punishment.  

Oh, and 185.4 after my bike ride today.  All sweat loss, but I'll take it.  That's a new low on the scale for quite a while.

 

[Charlie Harper]

There is some genetic expression to fat and muscle gain and loss.  There are also environmental factors.  Your environment can overrun your genetics.  

There's enough evidence out there, both anecdotally and scientifically to say that the body finds a certain set point. That point is not nearly as fluid going down as going up.  So a person that perhaps was 275 and now is 195 will have a set point to 275, and if in a calorie surplus will store fat more easily to get back to the same set point.

There seemingly are some factors that can help reset this, but they involve far too many variables for modern science to control long term.  When they do figure this out I expect that:

• You can do cardio (or nothing) to cut, but you must do resistance training to maintain until you get your set point.  This really isn't negotiable.  Brah.
  
  (Probably because this puts serotonin in balance better than cardio for a <setpoint individual)
  

[*]You can cut with whatever macros you want, but eating sugar below your set point will blow you up faster than thermo would suggest possible.  

• 
  (Probably because it helps carry fat storage hormones over the blood brain barrier)
  

[*]Fasting, or at least carb fasting, every so often below set point is perhaps mandatory. 

• 
  Who the #### knows why, it just seems to work.  Seems maybe to affect leptin imbalance in <setpoint people.  Dubious of this, but whatever.    
  

Gotcha. I agree with all of that. Pretty much watch what you eat and lift weights. The initial comment sounded as if genetics/biology is all that matters. 

 

[bentley]

Still 172. 

Had my biweekly day of sobriety yesterday. It was awful.

 

[AAABatteries]

This week has been tough so far - I'm still doing really good but it's been a struggle.

 

[James Daulton]

This week has been tough so far - I'm still doing really good but it's been a struggle.

I've only lost 5lbs so far this week 

Here's a selfie. 

 

[The Gator]

I've only lost 5lbs so far this week 

Here's a selfie. 

here's a selfie 

 

[AAABatteries]

here's a selfie 

 

[rick6668]

Back to the oatmeal and banana for breakfast, been skipping the last few days and I don't think that's good.

Salad, peppers, cucumbers, carrots, pulled chicken and an apple for lunch.

 

[DocHolliday]

Hit shoulders and biceps today and did my 30 minutes of cardio.  I am really hungry today and assume it is due to the heavy workouts yesterday and today.  I keep chugging water to try to fill my stomach so I do not eat.  The water is not helping with the hunger and is just making me have to pee every hour.   

 

[MAC_32]

Hit shoulders and biceps today and did my 30 minutes of cardio.  I am really hungry today and assume it is due to the heavy workouts yesterday and today.  I keep chugging water to try to fill my stomach so I do not eat.  The water is not helping with the hunger and is just making me have to pee every hour.   

You get used to it after a while.

 

[cosjobs]

Feb 7 2017 weight:  263 pounds

Last week:  267.4 pounds

Initial weight:  288

Weight lost last week:  4.4 pounds

Weight lost total 25 pounds (8.7%)

 

[cosjobs]

Been a very hectic couple weeks- sorry for my scarcity. 

Did someone here recommend the Thin Slim bread products? They've been working really great for me. Not many diets allow mw to eat bagels with cream cheese and bacon and continue weight loss.

 

[Otis]

Says the guy who hasn't weighed himself for two weeks and the last time he weighed in he went UP 1.2 lbs.

You better reverse the trend or the wife may start looking for other options, divorce you, and take half your money to be with a younger version of you.

So either start hiding money, or start hiding food right now!

#######it so true. 

Been living in a hotel for two weeks. Home this weekend. Will post a damage report then. 

 

[Otis]

Been a very hectic couple weeks- sorry for my scarcity. 

Did someone here recommend the Thin Slim bread products? They've been working really great for me. Not many diets allow mw to eat bagels with cream cheese and bacon and continue weight loss.

More about this pls. 

 

[Zow]

#######it so true. 

Been living in a hotel for two weeks. Home this weekend. Will post a damage report then. 

I spent 5 days at the Phoenix Open last week in the all you can eat/drink area.  I've been pretty clean this week, but I've been afraid to come back into this thread, let alone step on a scale... 

 

[bentley]

171 after throwing back a couple beers with Shuke last night.

 

[BassNBrew]

Tuesday's 2.5 hour session wrecked me.  Nothing yesterday workout wise.  Today I got in chest, bis, and 20 minutes of cardio before I began puking up pickles from lunch.  Still sore everywhere.  Weight has drifted up from 250 to 254.  Still amazed at the daily fluctuations.

 

[BassNBrew]

I spent 5 days at the Phoenix Open last week in the all you can eat/drink area.  I've been pretty clean this week, but I've been afraid to come back into this thread, let alone step on a scale... 

Don't be a #### and post your weigh-in.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Started yoga yesterday, went again today.   gonna give it a go and see what happens. I do sweat like a mofo while doing it

 

[cosjobs]

More about this pls. 

If you are doing low carb, these things are a godsend.

If I keep it under 20-23 carbs a day, I lose good weight. That number can be very hard to hit. But with these Thin Slim products, it really makes it a breeze. They have breads, bagels buns, etc. that only have about 2-3 net carbs. They use high-protein wheat and gluten to get a reasonable facsimile of flour and make a wide assortment of products. Unless you are doing low carb, they probably will not be of help. But if you are doing low carb and do not have wheat/gluten problems, they are a godsend, at least for me. Having some sliced bread, bagels or buns is great ofr keeping me on track while yielding to my carb cravings, without the carb impact. They are not as good as regular bread products, but for me they are close enough. THey even have some low carb breading, so I was able to make some veal parmagiana, a nice cutlett fried in eggwash and bread crumbs with some marinara and melted mozzerella. Ugh, delicious. 2 net carbs (no pasta).