Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶‍♂️ (3 Viewers)

[shadyridr]

There are studies  about will power that show if you resist and resist and resist all day the probability of cracking later in the day is extremely high.  It just becomes waaaaay too fatiguing.  You are more likely yo eat better at night if you have that donut earlier.

Definitely true

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Twenty healthy volunteers were enrolled in a double-blind cross-over study.    

A standard buffet meal was served 60 minutes after capsule administration. The standard meal was composed of white bread, cheese, and ham spread (Spuntì, Kraft Foods, Italy). 

I think Galileo was conducting better scientific studies 500+ years ago in Italy.

Double-blind Spunti study is the name of my Stevie Wonder/Ray Charles/Axl Rose cover band.

ETA: I'm still fat. Maybe even fatter. Will weigh in again next week. I suck at New Years resolutions.

 

[The Gator]

Appetite-reduction tip: in one study, consuming something bitter an hour before eating reduced calorie consumption spontaneously by 20%. That study used quinine (the bitter ingredient in tonic water), but based on other studies, the same trick should work with coffee, dandelion, herbal bitters, salad greens, dark chocolate, herbal liqueurs (Campari, Aperol, Cynar, Fernet...), maybe even a hoppy IPA.

I'll start drinking IPAs before i eat, great idea

 

[GoBirds]

There are studies  about will power that show if you resist and resist and resist all day the probability of cracking later in the day is extremely high.  It just becomes waaaaay too fatiguing.  You are more likely yo eat better at night if you have that donut earlier.

Basically sums up my day.....made it through on a couple cliff bars. Crushed homemade pizza for dinner. True. 

 

[Keerock]

Basically sums up my day.....made it through on a couple cliff bars. Crushed homemade pizza for dinner. True. 

Any pizza is a personal pizza if you believe in yourself.

 

[cheeseypoof]

Wasn't feeling like working out tonight but forced myself to do a stint on my stationary recumbent bike, at a slightly higher resistance level.  That's 4 days in a row.  Distance and speed was lower than the previous nights, but something has to be better than nothing.  Progress, slow progress, but progress nonetheless. 

 

[Otis]

Awful week for me. Just awful. Booze food junk. Sigh. 

 

[BassNBrew]

Just finished an 8 oz ribeye and a couple of bake potatoes.  I'd say I blew it today, but I did get in a second workout and burned 1111 cal to go with the 855 from this morning.  Still should be a net 3/4 pound loss day.

 

[James Daulton]

Wakey wakey my little snow flakies.

Time to put in some work so you need the room in large shirts for something other than your pendulous gut and love handles.

Let's Go!

 

[James Daulton]

Been at work for 20 minutes making mad cash.  Come on you lazy ### mother####ers!

 

[AAABatteries]

Been at work for 20 minutes making mad cash.  Come on you lazy ### mother####ers!

 

 

[NutterButter]

Awful week for me. Just awful. Booze food junk. Sigh. 

Everyone should have a cheat week every once in awhile as a reward.  

 

[BassNBrew]

Been at work for 20 minutes making mad cash.  Come on you lazy ### mother####ers!

Been asleep making mad cash.  I think it's the superior way to go.

 

[James Daulton]

Everyone should have a cheat week decade  every once in awhile as a reward.  

fyp

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Went to the orthopedic doctor on Monday to figure out what's going on with my elbow pain. Physical examination could not definitively diagnose my issue. X-rays show a possible 'loose body' in the joint. Doctor couldn't be sure though, so he ordered an MRI. But that makes total sense. It's not tennis elbow or golfer's elbow. He ruled those out. My biceps muscle is not painful. It's mostly a general, dull, achy pain. And It becomes more acute upon flexing and twisting. A loose body would explain all of that.

And I recall that the pain started a couple of days after I whacked my elbow with my tennis racket while playing with my son. I swung at the ball, and the racket came around and hit my left elbow. And it stung pretty badly. It's possible that I chipped a small piece of bone or cartilage that is now floating in the elbow joint space causing the pain.

And if it is a loos body, that would require an elbow scope under general anesthesia.

 

[James Daulton]

Went to the orthopedic doctor on Monday to figure out what's going on with my elbow pain. Physical examination could not definitively diagnose my issue. X-rays show a possible 'loose body' in the joint. Doctor couldn't be sure though, so he ordered an MRI. But that makes total sense. It's not tennis elbow or golfer's elbow. He ruled those out. My biceps muscle is not painful. It's mostly a general, dull, achy pain. And It becomes more acute upon flexing and twisting. A loose body would explain all of that.

And I recall that the pain started a couple of days after I whacked my elbow with my tennis racket while playing with my son. I swung at the ball, and the racket came around and hit my left elbow. And it stung pretty badly. It's possible that I chipped a small piece of bone or cartilage that is now floating in the elbow joint space causing the pain.

And if it is a loos body, that would require an elbow scope under general anesthesia.

MRI?  Rub some dirt on it and get back out there you sissy!

 

[AcerFC]

Im up 2.5lbs since Tuesday. Im at a loss. I have stayed under 1700 calories every day. I did eat things that are not great, but I thought I was compensating by keeping the calories low. Apparently that doesnt work the way science intended it to. (movie theater popcorn, twizzler pull and peel and peanut m&ms)

In that same time span, I ran 3.5 miles (Tuesday), 3 miles (wednesday), 45 minutes of spin (wednesday) and had 16,000 steps (Thursday)

So I have no idea how I could have added so much weight with my calories and workouts, despite eating the crap

 

[culdeus]

Im up 2.5lbs since Tuesday. Im at a loss. I have stayed under 1700 calories every day. I did eat things that are not great, but I thought I was compensating by keeping the calories low. Apparently that doesnt work the way science intended it to. (movie theater popcorn, twizzler pull and peel and peanut m&ms)

In that same time span, I ran 3.5 miles (Tuesday), 3 miles (wednesday), 45 minutes of spin (wednesday) and had 16,000 steps (Thursday)

So I have no idea how I could have added so much weight with my calories and workouts, despite eating the crap

What's worse is you probably lost muscle in that timeframe as well making it even harder to make progress.  Thermos want to la-la-la this away but there's enough anecdotal and empirical data now to show that it's not all that hard to put fat back on below a set point.  It's altogether possible to add fat in a calorie deprived state.  They want to wish this away by saying water weight and all that.   Junk food and steady state if not mild HIIT cardio is exactly how one would set out to accomplish such a thing.

 

[AcerFC]

What's worse is you probably lost muscle in that timeframe as well making it even harder to make progress.  Thermos want to la-la-la this away but there's enough anecdotal and empirical data now to show that it's not all that hard to put fat back on below a set point.  It's altogether possible to add fat in a calorie deprived state.  They want to wish this away by saying water weight and all that.   Junk food and steady state if not mild HIIT cardio is exactly how one would set out to accomplish such a thing.

Can you say this in English please

 

[AcerFC]

meh, Ill chalk it up to a bad week. Ill finish the junk food and start new next week.

Stupid wife sabotage with valentines day. 

 

[culdeus]

Can you say this in English please

Your body wants to fight fat loss.  It has many mechanisms to do this, so if you give it easy thing to put fat back on it will do so even if you are below your TDEE in some circumstances depending on factors like how fast you are losing weight and where you started.  

 

[BassNBrew]

Nice to be running a daily caloric deficit and going up in weight in the gym.  Body must not be eating up muscle like many predicted. 

Steady state cardio seems to be working increasing cardio endurance and burning fat.

 

[culdeus]

Nice to be running a daily caloric deficit and going up in weight in the gym.  Body must not be eating up muscle like many predicted. 

Steady state cardio seems to be working increasing cardio endurance and burning fat.

If untrained then "beginner gains" can account for a lot of this.  Adaptation can last as long as 6 weeks.  You can still lose muscle and be lifting more weight during this time.  This is one of the things that's relatively easy to prove and has been mostly accepted by science.  It's nice as it gives people a reason to keep coming to the gym, for awhile at least.  

 

[shadyridr]

Im up 2.5lbs since Tuesday. Im at a loss. I have stayed under 1700 calories every day. I did eat things that are not great, but I thought I was compensating by keeping the calories low. Apparently that doesnt work the way science intended it to. (movie theater popcorn, twizzler pull and peel and peanut m&ms)

In that same time span, I ran 3.5 miles (Tuesday), 3 miles (wednesday), 45 minutes of spin (wednesday) and had 16,000 steps (Thursday)

So I have no idea how I could have added so much weight with my calories and workouts, despite eating the crap

Are you actually counting the correct quantity (aka serving size) of food you are eating?

 

[AcerFC]

Are you actually counting the correct quantity (aka serving size) of food you are eating?

yes. thanks. I actually use MFP and track every single thing. I hate being in the red but will sometimes do it. Its not like Im eating the entire bags of pull and peel or M&Ms. I am having 1-2 servings a day. 

Im hoping maybe Im retaining water for some reason, but with all the sweating from working out, I cant see how that is the case. 

Like I said, Ill chalk up a bad week. Maybe my body just needs to be reset. I know I dont have to eat the valentines day stuff, but I will this weekend and then start fresh next week. Even though Im not on Atkins, maybe next week I will try to keep my carbs real low and see if that kick starts my loss again. 

 

[shadyridr]

yes. thanks. I actually use MFP and track every single thing. I hate being in the red but will sometimes do it. Its not like Im eating the entire bags of pull and peel or M&Ms. I am having 1-2 servings a day. 

Im hoping maybe Im retaining water for some reason, but with all the sweating from working out, I cant see how that is the case. 

Like I said, Ill chalk up a bad week. Maybe my body just needs to be reset. I know I dont have to eat the valentines day stuff, but I will this weekend and then start fresh next week. Even though Im not on Atkins, maybe next week I will try to keep my carbs real low and see if that kick starts my loss again. 

I mean like if you are logging 4 oz of chicken how do you know it is actually 4oz and not 8 oz. If you log a small popcorn, how do you know that is not actually considered a large popcorn, etc?

 

[AcerFC]

I mean like if you are logging 4 oz of chicken how do you know it is actually 4oz and not 8 oz. If you log a small popcorn, how do you know that is not actually considered a large popcorn, etc?

Well in the chicken case, I have a scale at home that I weigh my food on.

In case of the popcorn, I usually go by one handful is about a cup give or take. So I do my best to limit myself to 6-8 handfuls since 8 cups of popcorn is about 250 calories (no butter)

 

[shadyridr]

Well in the chicken case, I have a scale at home that I weigh my food on.

In case of the popcorn, I usually go by one handful is about a cup give or take. So I do my best to limit myself to 6-8 handfuls since 8 cups of popcorn is about 250 calories (no butter)

ok just double checking. I have a scale at home too. I would then consider your weight gain a strange blip.

 

[BassNBrew]

If untrained then "beginner gains" can account for a lot of this.  Adaptation can last as long as 6 weeks.  You can still lose muscle and be lifting more weight during this time.  This is one of the things that's relatively easy to prove and has been mostly accepted by science.  It's nice as it gives people a reason to keep coming to the gym, for awhile at least.  

What's your definition of untrained?  I peaked out at a 425 press but that was two plus decades ago when I weighed 195 and was training daily with a guy who could put up 500.  Are you talking untrained as in only lifting once a week tops for the last 6 months or someone who has never lifted?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Im up 2.5lbs since Tuesday. Im at a loss. I have stayed under 1700 calories every day. I did eat things that are not great, but I thought I was compensating by keeping the calories low. Apparently that doesnt work the way science intended it to. (movie theater popcorn, twizzler pull and peel and peanut m&ms)

In that same time span, I ran 3.5 miles (Tuesday), 3 miles (wednesday), 45 minutes of spin (wednesday) and had 16,000 steps (Thursday)

So I have no idea how I could have added so much weight with my calories and workouts, despite eating the crap

Going by calories on labels can be off by 25%-50% (Richard Wrangham's best guess for raw vs. cooked food, not even taking into account other forms of processing) .

Calories on labels are estimates of the actual energy stored in the food, as opposed to the energy usable by humans. Poop still has energy in it. (Especially poop containing visible kernels of corn.) If you drink 100 calories of Coke, you're probably getting the full 100 calories. But if you eat 100 calories in the form of an apple, you may be digesting only around 70 calories and pooping out the other 30 calories.

In general, the more processed (and junkier) the food is, the more available the calories are for absorption through the small intestine. (That's part of why junk foods have high reward value.) So eating 2,500 calories of junk food is not at all the same as eating 2,500 calories of raw fruit, for example, even just in terms of calories.

 

[culdeus]

What's your definition of untrained?  I peaked out at a 425 press but that was two plus decades ago when I weighed 195 and was training daily with a guy who could put up 500.  Are you talking untrained as in only lifting once a week tops for the last 6 months or someone who has never lifted?

I think the general definition of untrained is not well defined.  I don't have a good answer except that the "never lifted" is certainly untrained and there is a point where when you stop lifting that you eventually end up at 95-99% of that state, the time could be perhaps 6 months to 2 years.  I don't think there is a good way to determine this so I'm just going to say a 6 month layoff is probably close enough.  

 

[MAC_32]

yes. thanks. I actually use MFP and track every single thing. I hate being in the red but will sometimes do it. Its not like Im eating the entire bags of pull and peel or M&Ms. I am having 1-2 servings a day. 

Im hoping maybe Im retaining water for some reason, but with all the sweating from working out, I cant see how that is the case. 

Like I said, Ill chalk up a bad week. Maybe my body just needs to be reset. I know I dont have to eat the valentines day stuff, but I will this weekend and then start fresh next week. Even though Im not on Atkins, maybe next week I will try to keep my carbs real low and see if that kick starts my loss again. 

Carbs are not a bad thing, you just need to eat better foods.  Hopefully you can get all the junk you've been consuming flushed out of your system in a few days and see tangible progress in 10 days or so.  

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Going by calories on labels can be off by 25%-50% (Richard Wrangham's best guess for raw vs. cooked food, not even taking into account other forms of processing) .

Calories on labels are estimates of the actual energy stored in the food, as opposed to the energy usable by humans. Poop still has energy in it. (Especially poop containing visible kernels of corn.) If you drink 100 calories of Coke, you're probably getting the full 100 calories. But if you eat 100 calories in the form of an apple, you may be digesting only around 70 calories and pooping out the other 30 calories.

In general, the more processed (and junkier) the food is, the more available the calories are for absorption through the small intestine. (That's part of why junk foods have high reward value.) So eating 2,500 calories of junk food is not at all the same as eating 2,500 calories of raw fruit, for example, even just in terms of calories.

Now that I think about this, it could help explain a well known phenomenon in certain types of metabolic studies.

Is a calorie a calorie? It depends on whether you're going by surveys in free-living subjects or by metabolic ward studies. In the first type of study, subjects record what they eat (and how active they are) and report back to the people running the study ... and the results are typically not what you'd expect from a calories-in, calories-out standpoint. There's a bunch of variance: some people seem to gain more (or lose less) weight, compared to their peers, than they should based on thermodynamics.

In the second type of study, people are locked in a room and eat what they're fed, and only what they're fed, by the scientists running the study. The results are generally exactly what you'd expect from a calories-in, calories-out standpoint: people with the same caloric surplus or deficit gain or lose the same amount of weight.

The standard explanation is that people are liars. Or if not liars, at least kind of forgetful about reporting everything they ate, or not so good at measuring, etc. The variance in the free-living studies is chalked up to human error on the part of the subjects.

But maybe there's another (partial) explanation. Maybe it's not just that people in free-living studies are liars. Maybe it's that they're not all eating the same foods. Meanwhile, in the metabolic ward studies, not just the amount of food is controlled, but also the type of food. The subjects typically get different macronutrient ratios (often the whole point of the study), but stuff like the amount of processing is probably pretty similar.

Just a thought.

 

[James Daulton]

Culdeus killing it in here.  Your body does want to fight fat loss (although if calories are less than TDEE your body will consume its fat).  I also agree with the ability of untrained lifters to make gains while on a cut.  Eventually your body will maximize it's available muscular potential and then you'll start to drop off.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Sinus infection slowing me down today. Pissed to miss my work out.

 

[culdeus]

Sinus infection slowing me down today. Pissed to miss my work out.

I got some stomach thing. For fear of pooping my pants I'm gonna wait till tomorrow.

 

[BassNBrew]

I think the general definition of untrained is not well defined.  I don't have a good answer except that the "never lifted" is certainly untrained and there is a point where when you stop lifting that you eventually end up at 95-99% of that state, the time could be perhaps 6 months to 2 years.  I don't think there is a good way to determine this so I'm just going to say a 6 month layoff is probably close enough.  

In that case I would consider myself on trained. I was a little confused by your original statement because I know there is muscle memory from weight liftingIn that case I would consider myself on trained. I was a little confused by your original statement because I know there is muscle memory from weight lifting

 

[AAABatteries]

Going by calories on labels can be off by 25%-50% (Richard Wrangham's best guess for raw vs. cooked food, not even taking into account other forms of processing) .

Calories on labels are estimates of the actual energy stored in the food, as opposed to the energy usable by humans. Poop still has energy in it. (Especially poop containing visible kernels of corn.) If you drink 100 calories of Coke, you're probably getting the full 100 calories. But if you eat 100 calories in the form of an apple, you may be digesting only around 70 calories and pooping out the other 30 calories.

In general, the more processed (and junkier) the food is, the more available the calories are for absorption through the small intestine. (That's part of why junk foods have high reward value.) So eating 2,500 calories of junk food is not at all the same as eating 2,500 calories of raw fruit, for example, even just in terms of calories.

This is pretty fascinating - I'm not sure I've ever heard this before.  I've essentially cut out all processed food - all of it.  I'm not tracking calories so I can't say that my 1,800 calories is really 1,400 but this is some great info - thanks MT.

 

[culdeus]

This is pretty fascinating - I'm not sure I've ever heard this before.  I've essentially cut out all processed food - all of it.  I'm not tracking calories so I can't say that my 1,800 calories is really 1,400 but this is some great info - thanks MT.

Keep in mind that line of thinking is somewhat controversial.  It also depends on your definition of processed food.  I mean do you consider a Big Mac processed food?  I mean from a food sourcing point of view it's probably less processed than frozen patties from costco.

"processed" has implications beyond the chemicals used to keep the shelf life more similar to that of a mop handle.

 

[belljr]

Sinus infection slowing me down today. Pissed to miss my work out.

I've been down and out for 2 days.  Feel like death

 

[MAC_32]

This is pretty fascinating - I'm not sure I've ever heard this before.  I've essentially cut out all processed food - all of it.  I'm not tracking calories so I can't say that my 1,800 calories is really 1,400 but this is some great info - thanks MT.

I'm no scientist, but everything is easier when I eat cleaner. I don't have the urge to skip my workout, I'm less stressed, I rest well, and I don't over eat. It's very difficult to overeat when the majority of what you eat is clean. Each of those components impacts the other though. One goes off the rails then it's very easy for all of their buddies to follow suit. Kinda like that first tequila shot. 

 

[Otis]

Terrible week.  Frozen in my tracks.  Ate and drank whatever and it shows.

 

[NutterButter]

Terrible week.  Frozen in my tracks.  Ate and drank whatever and it shows.

trust the process

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Terrible week.  Frozen in my tracks.  Ate and drank whatever and it shows.

Same boat.

Stressful job. Check

wife and kids. Check

dont really give a crap about your appearance anymore, because Middle aged married dad. Check.

know what to do, but motivation comes and goes really fast. Check.

ice cream endorphin rush trumps pipe dreams of completely yoked self destroying competition in a Spartan Race. Check.

I'm throwing down the gauntlet, GB. We are better than this. Or, at least, I am. I know I can drop 20 lbs by this deadline. Pretty sure I'm over 250 right now  .

There's 2 kinds of people in the world: those sodomizing the monkey, and those holding the tail. Are you in, or are you out? Cause if you're out, get some work gloves on, because you're holding the tail.

 

[xulf]

Same boat.

Stressful job. Check

wife and kids. Check

dont really give a crap about your appearance anymore, because Middle aged married dad. Check.

know what to do, but motivation comes and goes really fast. Check.

ice cream endorphin rush trumps pipe dreams of completely yoked self destroying competition in a Spartan Race. Check.

I'm throwing down the gauntlet, GB. We are better than this. Or, at least, I am. I know I can drop 20 lbs by this deadline. Pretty sure I'm over 250 right now  .

There's 2 kinds of people in the world: those sodomizing the monkey, and those holding the tail. Are you in, or are you out? Cause if you're out, get some work gloves on, because you're holding the tail.

Not sure why you think your life and stressors are different than 99% of non-overweight people...or at least why you think they are legit excuses.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Not sure why you think your life and stressors are different than 99% of non-overweight people...or at least why you think they are legit excuses.

Not sure what your point is... or at least why you thought it'd be a good idea to post it.

 

[xulf]

Not sure what your point is... or at least why you thought it'd be a good idea to post it.

Not sure the reason to blame every day issues on things that everyone deals with regardless of their circumstance.  We all have stuff...so not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to post it.

ETA-I am 100% rooting for everyone in here.  I just don't feel having built in excuses is helpful.  I want everyone to keep fighting the fight.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Not sure the reason to blame every day issues on things that everyone deals with regardless of their circumstance.  We all have stuff...so not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to post it.

Could be that I'm not blaming anything at all, other than myself being lazy and habituated to dealing with every day stress by eating crap food. Could be that my stress levels are a thousand times higher than yours, or anybody else's on this board, and you don't know jack. Could be that maybe you read it wrong. Could be that I'm searching for motivation to get back on the wagon, and trying to be funny. Could be a whole lotta things.

But, your uncertainty is duly noted. Feel better?

 

[xulf]

Could be that I'm not blaming anything at all, other than myself being lazy and habituated to dealing with every day stress by eating crap food. Could be that my stress levels are a thousand times higher than yours, or anybody else's on this board, and you don't know jack. Could be that maybe you read it wrong. Could be that I'm searching for motivation to get back on the wagon, and trying to be funny. Could be a whole lotta things.

But, your uncertainty is duly noted. Feel better?

Well, I included an ETA just before you posted.  I'm not trying to hate or discourage...and yes, I don't know the full jack...I only know what you posted, which is what I'm responding to.

 

[NutterButter]

Same boat.

Stressful job. Check

wife and kids. Check

dont really give a crap about your appearance anymore, because Middle aged married dad. Check.

know what to do, but motivation comes and goes really fast. Check.

ice cream endorphin rush trumps pipe dreams of completely yoked self destroying competition in a Spartan Race. Check.

I'm throwing down the gauntlet, GB. We are better than this. Or, at least, I am. I know I can drop 20 lbs by this deadline. Pretty sure I'm over 250 right now  .

There's 2 kinds of people in the world: those sodomizing the monkey, and those holding the tail. Are you in, or are you out? Cause if you're out, get some work gloves on, because you're holding the tail.

What happened to the potatoes?  Just knocked one down with some sour cream.  That's been my go to for a few weeks now.    Not as healthy as with just salt, but a lot more sustainable.