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AAABatteries
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Yeah...7 hour moderate effort (a lot of walking expected). Probably 5600 cal burn. Should intake about 1500-2000 during the event and a heavier meal that night will mean around 3500 net loss.
Right. The ideal is 30 bananas a day. (The people who run that site are completely nuts, both about diet and just in general. But one truth that's hard to deny is that fruitarians are the skinniest people on the internet.)
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Binky The Doormat
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James Daulton
Footballguy
Rise and shine #####es. We're at the halfway point of the week, and most of our lives. Wouldn't a little bit of muscle definition to go with those man boobs be nice this summer?
Let's Go!
Let's Go!
kutta
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
ragincajun
Footballguy
@Sand
279.3
Cliff Notes:
Started at 280. Sunday I was at 285.9! Wife signed me up for Weight Watchers and started Monday morning. Today I am 279.3. Granted water weight but I will take it.
I am allowed 51 points a day. As an example fruits and veggies are zero points. A scoop of ice cream from Baskin Robbins is 13 points. A bloomin onion at outback is over 100 points.
279.3
Cliff Notes:
Started at 280. Sunday I was at 285.9! Wife signed me up for Weight Watchers and started Monday morning. Today I am 279.3. Granted water weight but I will take it.
I am allowed 51 points a day. As an example fruits and veggies are zero points. A scoop of ice cream from Baskin Robbins is 13 points. A bloomin onion at outback is over 100 points.
Keerock
Footballguy
>100 points for some breading and oil? The onion should be free, right? Seems excessive.
The Gator
Footballguy
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
ragincajun
Footballguy
I mean 100 give it take 50. It's bad lol.
rick6668
Footballguy
Good luck to you, I have done this 3 times in the past. It always worked for me. Went from 250 to 198 the first time and then hung around there for a month or 2 and then just stopped. 2nd time I was 260+ and got down to 230 when I quit. The last time (Last year) I went from 296 to 250 before the session were not renewed at work and I went back to eating like an idiot. Never used my flex or exercise points. I've found myfitnesspal has been great and similar to the weight watchers tracking. I need to track what I eat, I've tracked on myfitnesspal for 50 straight days, and that includes every single thing I have eaten.
rick6668
Footballguy
It's listed as 38 points here:
http://onemorepound.com/2010/03/28/outback-steakhouse-weight-watcher-point-values/
Terrible for you though.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Keerock
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I get your point but if a particular "diet" causes someone to lose 50 lbs is it really the diets fault when the person stops doing it and gains it all back? I'm in a similar boat as Rick in that I've lost 60-70 lbs twice before (and smaller amounts in between) and on my way to doing it again. Each time the "diet" I chose helped me lose that weight - I have no reason to believe that choosing a different "diet" would make me not be a ####### and start eating/drinking whatever I want once I lose the weight. Culdeus basically implies surgery is the only solution and while that may be the case I have no plans to do it. I think it comes down to lifestyle change for long-term success - whether that is never buying bad stuff, to limiting eating out, to exercising, to new hobbies that require physical activity. I understand that my willpower will eventually give out - I can see that right now, but I still think it's misplaced to blame the "diet".
rick6668
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Almost every person that tries the "diet" experiences the same pattern of weight loss followed by weight gain. I don't see how it makes any sense to blame each individual rather than acknowledging that the diet sucks.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I would agree with you if the people remained on the diet and gained it back. I'd venture that's not the case 99% of the time. FFA is known for dumb analogies so let me add one more - if I'm an idiot with my finances and put a financial plan in place that keeps me on a budget and has me saving money and then 6 months later I stop following that plan and start blowing all my money on stupid stuff should I blame the financial plan or me? Now if your argument is that there's a diet out there that would not only make me lose weight but would then make it easy for me to keep it off after I stop following it then I would agree but I don't think that exists.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
If lots of other people also try the financial plan and they all give up after six months, then I would blame the plan.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
So, is your issue just with him saying it works?
Also, are you saying there's a diet out there that will let you go back to your old ways and not gain weight back or are you saying all diets are stupid?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
If the quibble is with saying it works then I guess we are just arguing semantics - it worked for him to lose weight and I think that's all he meant. I'm firmly in the camp that no diet will "work" if you go back to bad habits.
Knowing FGILC's beliefs, he's going to lean towards the individual not be responsible for their actions.
shadyridr
Footballguy
IMO the difference between a diet and a lifestyle change is "is it sustainable?" Does rick think that weight watchers plan is sustainable? If so, I would say that's a lifestyle change. But then the question is, why has it not been sustainable 3 times in the past? In that case, it does not seem sustainable. I'll speak from my own experience. The only time I lost real weight and kept it off for 3+ years was in 2012 when I changed my whole lifestyle and started tracking everything in myfitnesspal. It was sustainable to me because I continued to use it for 3 years. Even when I stopped using myfitnesspal, I still generally knew how many calories I should eat every day and was able to add things up in my head. I was so proud to keep it off for all those years. The reason Im back in here now is because I stopped caring last year due to obvious stress related reasons. Now that I am determined, I am confident I will take off the weight and keep it off for many years. What Im doing I dont consider a diet.
Curious where you would take this...
If lots of people bang you wife and don't give up banging her after six months, then who would you blame for her cheating on you?
1. Your wife
2. You
3. The guys banging your wife.
4. Sex in general.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I wouldn't go quite this far, but I believe that dieters tend to greatly overemphasize the impact of the conscious choices we make or don't make regarding food/exercise. Routines, habits, and environments are much more important. From my perspective, an overweight person is destined to fail if he says "I'm keeping everything about my life the same but I'm just going to make different food and exercise choices."
AcerFC
Footballguy
People dont get fat bc they are on a bus too long to get to work
They get fat bc they eat garbage and dont excerise.
HTH, YIC,
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
That bus ride may be one of the factors in why they eat garbage and don't exercise.People dont get fat bc they are on a bus too long to get to work
They get fat bc they eat garbage and dont excerise.
HTH, YIC,
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I agree but I think fatguy is implying that it doesn't work because lots (maybe most) gain the weight back. Hopefully I'm not putting words in his mouth.
Again, it seems like semantics - it works for losing weight, it doesn't for work for losing weight and keeping it off. I think we would all agree that the latter is more important but as I stated before I'm not aware of any diet that does that when people make bad choices and I don't know of any diet that helps people not make bad choices after they are off of it.
cheeseypoof
Footballguy
This is where I'm at. I don't consider what I'm doing a diet but lifestyle change. I've lost over 40 lbs since the beginning of December mainly through better/healthier choices and portion control. I'm not following a specific diet. I've cut out soda and sweets, less processed foods, smaller portions, more fresh fruits and vegetables, etc. Granted mine was precipitated by a medical issue and I really don't have much choice but to try and sustain it or deal with the medical issues related to uncontrolled diabetes.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I can tell how well it works by all of the healthy and slim Weight Watchers graduates I see around.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yes, you've got the idea, but I think it's more than just semantics. If you are looking at a failure and calling it a success, it's going to make it impossible to find real success.AAABatteries said:
Also, when you say "maybe most" you are severely understating the failure rate. It's not "maybe most." I believe it's over 90% that gain the weight back.
As far as I'm aware, the diet with the best track record, backed by data, for helping people keep weight off after the initial weight-loss period is the Rice Diet. Sixty-three percent of patients kept their weight off for a year after leaving the treatment facility, and I think about 45% regained no more than six pounds after five years (going from memory -- I'll see if I can find the actual stat). For most diets, the commonly cited statistic is that only about 5% of people are able to keep weight off in the long term, though there is some dispute about how accurate that is. In any case, 45% is really impressive.AAABatteries said:
(The rice diet is the one where people were originally allowed to eat only rice, fruit, fruit juice, and sugar. Later versions also allowed occasional fish and chicken and maybe a few other things. People were expected to eat this way only while at the facility. Once they went home, they were supposed to eat normally but sensibly.)
There are no long-term stats that I'm aware of for the potato diet or for water-only fasting, but I'd expect them to also do relatively well for the same reason as the rice diet -- namely, blandness. (As with the rice diet, people are not expected to stay on just potatoes or just water for the long term. The point is to use them to normalize appetite so that eating sensibly becomes easier going forward.)
The trick to making it easier to keep weight off in the long term is to adjust your bodyweight set-point, which would otherwise defend against fat loss by ramping up appetite. I'm only a few chapters into the Guyenet book and he hasn't touched on this yet, but I expect that he'll spend a fair number of words on it given that it's an area of his own research.
I personally recommend chemotherapy for weight loss (though I generally recommend against it in cancer-free subjects for other reasons). I've been losing weight for months despite consciously trying not to.
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AcerFC
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Back at 200.8 this morning. Back on keto. Amazing how quickly you can put 7 pounds on.
shadyridr
Footballguy
And Im talking in generalities about Weight Watchers. For some people, it definitely works. They learn how to eat better and learn portion control. Then after they stop doing WW they keep the weight off. For those people it worked. For someone who tried it 3 times and gained back the weight after stopping each time, it definitely did NOT work.
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