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Owens takes a shot at McNabb (1 Viewer)
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
That is EXACTLY what he said, it's not taken out of context.If he said that, he's a jerk. That's a pretty tacky thing to say about a guy who tried to rough it out - if anything it's the O-Line's fault he got hurt and was yakkin'. It's not that he was tired.
A couple of years ago my best friend cut on me and called me fat. I wasn't that fat, but I did lose 20 lbs in the following months. Take a look at McNabb, you can't tell me that there is no room for improvement in his physique. Maybe he needed to hear that? Sometimes the truth hurts. Mcnabb is a professional athlete for god sake get rid of the beerbelly and double chin!
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Chris Brown upright would be Dickerson.And Chris Brown not upright would be OJ.Don't worry, Ryan Leaf in Indy would have been Peyton Manning.:rotflmao:
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so you are saying CB = OJ?Chris Brown upright would be Dickerson.And Chris Brown not upright would be OJ.Don't worry, Ryan Leaf in Indy would have been Peyton Manning.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
This thread, with useful commentary, would be worth reading.
packersfan
Footballguy
The question isn't whether McNabb could take steps to improve his game. The question is whether Owens should be ripping him in the media. And despite Drew Rosenhaus' denials, Owens clearly ripped McNabb and it clearly was uncalled for. To McNabb's credit, he's taking the high road.But somewhere Jeff Garcia is probably laughing.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Trouble is, there is no correlation between athletic ability and IQ. Yet, when these guys get interviewed by the media, we somewhat expect that Terrell Owens or a Vanderjagt will show flashes of Einstein.Some are bright, some are dumb. We know which Owens is.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think you need to be Einstein to realize you shouldn't be taking shots at your teammates or head coach in the media -- especially if it's unprovoked. You could make a very good case that Vanderjagt's comments about Dungy and Manning were accurate and you could make a case that McNabb did let his team down in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, but that still doesn't excuse Vanderjagt and Owens from making stupid comments in the media. I don't think we have set the bar too high here -- it's common sense really. But I do agree that when we see a consistent pattern of behavior (as clearly has been the case with Owens) we can definitely form some pretty strong conclusions about the type of person he is.
maddawg2020
Footballguy
Here comes the mcNabb haters-- look, Owens is OUT-of-LINE and anyone who cant see has only half-a-brain. mcNann does not have BEER BELLY you freaking dope! He's ALL MUSCLE!Hey, I dont mind when all the mindless McNabb-haters come out though because they are usually peeps from other towns that are jealous that don't have GREAT, franchise QB's or they are the local idiots that wanted AJ Feeley to take over last year when mcNabb had five bad games. Where is Aj now? oh yeah, that's right, in Miami where they have the #2 pick in the draft. Where is McNabb? Oh yeah, coming off a super bowl appearance.
In the six years before McNabb came to Philly...
Regular Season Record: 44-51-1
Post-Season Record: 1-2
Division Titles: 0
NFC Title Games: 0
Super Bowl: 0
In the six years since McNabb came to Philly...
Regular Season Record: 63-33
Post-Season Record: 7-5
Division Titles: 5
NFC Title Games: 4
Super Bowls: 1
Maybe not any championships and maybe not exactly a hall-of-fame boxscore when compared to all-time greats, but certainly absolutely FANTASTIC when compared most of his current counterparts. With the exception of Tom Brady, there hasn't been another NFL QB today that has had as much sustained success over the last six seasons as McNabb has.
The comments you are made are flat out STUPID and no one with a whole brain agrees with you.
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maddawg2020
Footballguy
I agree alot with these comments. And I can certainly make an the arguement that McNabb let his team down; as a life time Iggles' fan and season ticket holder, I can assure you that no one hurts more than we Bird-Lovers; but TO is out of line. I understand if he wanted to make some of those incentive and roster and options bonuses guaranteed to protect himself down the road, but the way he has gone about it is completely wrong, 100% stupid and absolutely arrogant.My frustration is when a handful of idiots come and make dumb comments on this board, like comments about McNabb having a beer belly, which is completely stupid and has ZERO validity. Yes, mcNabb and the Eagles' choked in the last 2 minutes of the Super Bowl. I blame Reid and McNabb but Owens was on the field too and I dont recell him doing anything to help the situation during those last 58 seconds they blew. his comments only came out after he decided he deserved more money! this is his hope to get the team to just "SHUT HIM UP."
hey terrell, it ain't gonna work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jurb26
Footballguy
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing about this news. TO's has the same problem that nearly every super talented WR has, he is selfish. There is really little else to this story IMO. :rotflmao: Did you Philly guys really think TO woudl be able to keep his trap shut? I mean I don't know of any miricle workers in the Philly area.... do you?
maddawg2020
Footballguy
I think you're right... I guess I'm one of the stupid/arrogant Philly homers that believed things would be different if TO was here in Philly rather than SanFran. not sure why I did think that? I guess maybe I'm just insane....
JAA
Footballguy
1. Owens never asked for a new contract. When Phi and TO have renegotiated his contract to better spread out the 9 million he is due over the next two seasons (1.5 and then 7.5), both will come out and say this was best for TO and Phi for TO to retire an Eagle.2. You have only conjecture and insinuation that TO was talking about McNabb. I cant tell if TO is talking about McNabb, Stinkston, or some other player who wasnt pushing it during the game in TOs eyes.
Sorry, but this is just another case of peoples "lovin to hate".
JAA
fatness
Footballguy
Thanks for the reply. What you say may be what comes out of the contract situation for now. Until next year, when he wants to renegotiate again, in my opinion.There is more than insinuation saying that Owens was talking about McNabb. There is Owens's long tradition of badmouthing his QB when things do not go his way. It's not "hating" making him look like a loud jerk. It's what he says and does.
JAA
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
And the hits just keep on coming: Owens interviewed by Steven A. Smith
If they give in to giving him more money this year, they have other players lined to trying to do the same. If they don't, they have to put up with Owens mouthing off constantly about it.
I guess that makes the Eagles' front office "haters" too.
If they give in to giving him more money this year, they have other players lined to trying to do the same. If they don't, they have to put up with Owens mouthing off constantly about it.
JAA
Footballguy
TO is worth every penny the market will share. Phi can cut him anytime they want, I dont have a problem with TO trying to renegotiate his contract anytime as long as he shows up for camp.Are you against contract renegotiations?And the hits just keep on coming: Owens interviewed by Steven A. Smith
I guess that makes the Eagles' front office "haters" too.
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Pigskin Fanatic
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what's the gripe here? TO has a valid point. and there's nothing wrong with him "mouthing off". although I been a big big TO hater while he was with the niners, i find it refreshing that he gives straight answers instead of the generic "we played a great game, they outplayed us, we'll try again" blah blah blah.
i don't think the eagles will grant a new contract nor do i think they should, i also dont think TO will hold out over it. even if he did, it's just the business of nfl. more power to TO for playing the game with the big boys in the front office. you think the eagles would hesitate to cut pinkston if this was him asking for a new contract whether or not he was under an old contract? ALL CONTRACTS are for one year in the nfl. you screw up, you are gone.
"here is your new 6 year 80 million dollar deal. but if you trip over your dog in the driveway and can't play in the first year, we'll cut you and pay you the first year salary only of 2 million dollars, mr. griese." but i digress.
JAA, i'd hate to disagree but i think it was pretty clear TO was talking about McNabb. a huge mcnabb fan here saying TO is right. McNabb looked terrible in the end. i was hoping for a news that he contracted some sickness while on the field. blame the coaching staff for not having a game plan, but i would have expected more from McNabb in a situation like that. Favre would have been drooling for that situation, down one score with two minutes left in the big game...
i don't think the eagles will grant a new contract nor do i think they should, i also dont think TO will hold out over it. even if he did, it's just the business of nfl. more power to TO for playing the game with the big boys in the front office. you think the eagles would hesitate to cut pinkston if this was him asking for a new contract whether or not he was under an old contract? ALL CONTRACTS are for one year in the nfl. you screw up, you are gone.
"here is your new 6 year 80 million dollar deal. but if you trip over your dog in the driveway and can't play in the first year, we'll cut you and pay you the first year salary only of 2 million dollars, mr. griese." but i digress.
JAA, i'd hate to disagree but i think it was pretty clear TO was talking about McNabb. a huge mcnabb fan here saying TO is right. McNabb looked terrible in the end. i was hoping for a news that he contracted some sickness while on the field. blame the coaching staff for not having a game plan, but i would have expected more from McNabb in a situation like that. Favre would have been drooling for that situation, down one score with two minutes left in the big game...
Boone22
Footballguy
Eagles | Owens' Days in Philadelphia Numbered? - from www.KFFL.comThu, 14 Apr 2005 10:42:08 -0700Updating ongoing reports, Stephen A. Smith, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens made it clear he wants to remain with the Eagles and catch touchdown passes from QB Donovan McNabb. However, he also made it clear he wants a new contract and to be a top-10 paid player in the game. Owens feels the Eagles used leverage against him a year ago when he signed a long-term deal because they knew he wanted to leave the Baltimore Ravens to join them. And now, after a very solid season, he is going to use his leverage to his advantage. While he is saying it is not about him being "greedy" or "selfish," he said he is a top player in the game and his "current contract doesn't justify that." He went on to note that his signing of the contract and being under contract does not factor into anything because the Eagles, for any reason they want, can cut him at any time not to pay him. Owens said he cannot let it just go. Eagles coach Andy Reid went to Owens saying that when he signed the contract, he promised he would not cause any problems. Owens said he had to let him know this is not a problem; it is a misunderstanding because it is all about business. It would appear Owens' days in Philadelphia are numbered.
Rocky J. Squirrel
Footballguy
McNabb eats too much Chunky Soup! 
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Family Matters
Footballguy
For those feeling Owens is wrong to ask for a new deal, consider this:NFL contracts are not guarenteed. Either team can demand a change in the contract. How many times has a team asked a player to restructure or be cut? We see it every year. It's how the NFL operates now. Don't hate the man for wanting to be paid "fair market value" for his services. Keep in mind he's not one of the highest paid players (or WR's for that matter) in the NFL. Yet he is argueably the best WR in the game. If there was any doubt he erased it last year and put an exclamation point on it in the Super Bowl.Also, when he broke his leg it's possible things could of worked out differently and might not have been able to play again. The only compensation he gets is the signing bonus he was paid when they signed the contract. I'm sure Teddy B is feeling the issue right now.So let Owens (and any other player for that matter) get what they can. Let them negotiate what they and their teams think they're worth. Each and everyone of you would do the same thing.
jurb26
Footballguy
None of this is the point to most i don't think. The point is that he couldn't keep his trape shut about his QB yet again! I know, I know we don't know for sure. It was certainly implied rather well though. I could care less about TO going after more money. He seems to have earned that right. You gotta love how its not him being selfish though... its about business. Yeah OK, is there really a difference there? I mean I thought he went to Philly to be a part of a winner, not simply to grab a big pay check.
It seems to me that both sids delivered on their end of the bargan.
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railman305
Footballguy
owens saying he want to be paid like top10 WR is bogus, over the life of his contract he easily averages the top 5 salary for WRs, that like saying that manning is not paid in top QBs, cause he is only making under a million in his base salary this year,next year owens base salary is under a million, hes being a #### and stephen a smith doesnt no anything
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Eagle Eye
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I believe he was the 2nd highest paid WR in the league when he signed his contract. Sounds pretty fair to me, hardly a "low-ball" offer.There is nothing stopping a player from negotiating a guarenteed contract, or at least a portion of the money guarenteed. Its rare in the NFL and teams are loathe to do it obviously, but if that's what he wanted and he was willing to take less as a total package then he could have held out for that. He went for the 9 MILLION up front instead.
Family Matters
Footballguy
The part that matters is the guarenteed money which is the signing bonus. The rest of the contract is useless because he may never see the money like so many players before.
Eagle Eye
Footballguy
Its useless if you make an ### out of yourself. But if you go out and have another great year its a no-brainer for the Eagles to pay you the 7 MILLION roster bonus to keep you for a third year. He's got insurance in the case of injury. So, for 3 years he'd get 16 million is bonuses not including his salary, another 7-8 million over the 3 years.If he wanted to start complaining after the third year I might be inclined to listen, but he stands to make well over 20 million over the first 3 years of this contract.
Family Matters
Footballguy
As long as he's healthy and the Eagles don't release him. That's were the difference is and that's what he wants to protect against. As for the insurance, it won't replace what his contract will pay him. Merely a portion.
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fatness
Footballguy
No, I'm not. Teams suggest it with players each year, so it seems fair for players to do it also. Eagle Eye said it pretty well:
Owens got a lot of money up front last year. Now he wants to renegotiate and get a lot up front this year. Next year he'll want to renegotiate (or is it still "restructure"?) to get more money up front then. Coupled with that he's going to increasingly irritate his teammates and front office by frequent badmouthing of them. The Eagles don't have a history of giving into contract demands like this, but in his case they might, and if they do they'll wish they had not opened that door.Are you suggesting that they should follow the Dan Snyder policy of throwing money around?
There's a Rumor around that the league is concerned about players forcing trades (Coles) and new contracts (Owens) and wants teams to cut down on it.
Boone22
Footballguy
Eagles | Rosenhaus Comments About Owens' Contract - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:35:56 -0700
Updating ongoing reports, during an interview on ESPNews, Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said Owens simply is not making enough money ($3.25 million base salary for 2005) in comparison to what he has done for them. He said Owens has already out-played his contract, which is just one year old, and the most honorable thing to be done would be for the Eagles to give them a new deal. He went on to say Owens cannot honor the current deal, which he termed "flat out unfair." Rosenhaus said Owens needs to look out for his family, is "grossly underpaid" and they will not rest until they receive a new deal. He added the Eagles have not had a "warm reception" to the notion of a new deal, but he is very optimistic something can be worked out. He also said an option for Owens is to hold out, but he is hopeful it will not come to that.
Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:35:56 -0700
Updating ongoing reports, during an interview on ESPNews, Philadelphia Eagles WR Terrell Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said Owens simply is not making enough money ($3.25 million base salary for 2005) in comparison to what he has done for them. He said Owens has already out-played his contract, which is just one year old, and the most honorable thing to be done would be for the Eagles to give them a new deal. He went on to say Owens cannot honor the current deal, which he termed "flat out unfair." Rosenhaus said Owens needs to look out for his family, is "grossly underpaid" and they will not rest until they receive a new deal. He added the Eagles have not had a "warm reception" to the notion of a new deal, but he is very optimistic something can be worked out. He also said an option for Owens is to hold out, but he is hopeful it will not come to that.
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