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kupcho1
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OK, so some of the discussion here prompted me to go back and re-watch seasons 1-3 and the first half of season 4. Based on a few of the revelations I picked up on the second time through, I've come up with a theory as to who actually hired the PI.
There's been one person that's been consistently ahead of the curve throughout the series.
It all blew up though when Navarro, unbeknownst to Three, had Helen killed.
Also, I think you'll see that Three, with his extensive background in auto repair, is the one that sabotaged the Byrde's vehicle to cause the accident.
Mark my words, Three will be revealed as the main player in the back half of S4.
There's been one person that's been consistently ahead of the curve throughout the series.
- Was the first to provide background (outside of the Byrdes) on Omar Navarro when he entered the picture
- Noticed that Cade's guns were gone after he was shot down on the road as he was leaving
- Was well aware of the Snell's heroin operation from the get-go
- Subtly influenced Wyatt to hook up with Darlene
It all blew up though when Navarro, unbeknownst to Three, had Helen killed.
Also, I think you'll see that Three, with his extensive background in auto repair, is the one that sabotaged the Byrde's vehicle to cause the accident.
Mark my words, Three will be revealed as the main player in the back half of S4.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
offdee
Footballguy
beer 30
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simey
Footballguy
It looked to me like the accident was caused by a big rig trying to pass a car, and the rig was in Marty's lane so he had to swerve to the grass to miss it, and he lost control of the van.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Agreed. To me it seemed obvious during that scene they focused on the fact that Marty wasn't paying much attention to driving at the time given the amount of screen time focusing on him driving and sort of daydreaming somewhat at the time.
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Soulfly3
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Dude....with all due respect, no one should be in this thread now and not expect spoilers.well.... guess ill remember to act shocked around the wife when we watch ep7 tonight.
I intentionally didn't read this thread for the first 5 days after release for fear of a spoiler.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Maya wanted him to do time. When he made the deal with her bosses to work for them and avoid jail, she still had him arrested. Then Javi made the deal and Omar got sent back to Mexico iirc, so Maya is double pissed that he still avoided jail.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
luckily i barely watch tv/series and dont care overall if i hear spoilers and such. i just always thought there was a spoiler rule in these threads... but again, shows you how little i watch overall, and how little time ive spent in these threads.
getting to it tonight, days after I said I would... that's my religious level
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jamny
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Glad Darlene is gone. Her character jumped the shark awhile ago killing anyone she feels like without any retaliation.
chet
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I was having a hard time following the subtleties of who was getting over on who at the end there.
belljr
Footballguy
No the Head guy FBI changed the deal they all thought they were meeting for
Byrdes didn't care which deal as long as they were out. So when the FBI guy switched it, The Byrdes talked Omar into taking that deal. Remember Omar said they will #### him after the 5 years was up, when they had the "sidebar" in the mall
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GordonGekko
Footballguy
FBI accountant Maya is such a realistic character.
She's angry that she can't catch Marty. Until Marty, she's racked up win after win in her law enforcement career doing it "her way". If she has to pick doing her job or fulfilling her need to validate her self righteousness, she'll pick the latter.
She only brought the Navarro surrender deal to her superiors because after what happened in S3( She was demoted for refusing to follow up on actionable intel Marty had given her on a real crime) , she couldn't risk Marty finding another way around her then telling her superiors she refused to bring in the offer Navarro made.
Marty doesn't care how he feels and he doesn't care how anyone else feels. Sometimes he has to pretend to care about how other people feel because social order requires it of him. The closest he gets to that is with Ruth, because there is no malice in her. There's no deep hidden motive or long term scheme against him. Even Helen Pierce is impressed by Ruth's bold surface level honesty and simplicity.
What Maya really wants is to heel Marty. She is silently enraged he's so much more skilled than her and that it's not even an effort for him to run circles around her. It's why she wanted him to become " contractor " ( for her, no doubt) so she could keep securing wins in her career and prove Marty was less than her at the same time.
Horrible human beings do their best hiding in plain sight.
But I thought Omar never wanted to set foot in a prison and that was the original deal and the FBI changed it to them wanting him to run the cartel for 5 more years. Neither of those deals included prison time.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
My money says the bobcats are still pulling all the strings in this saga. Can't wait for their big reveal.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
PI gonna have any real role here or just a side story?
offdee
Footballguy
He has to, otherwise if this is all it is, it's a completely unnecessary character to introduce.
Thinking about the opening scene:
1. Jonah still has a stick up his ###, but Wendy seems out of her manic phase
2. Family seems to have worked out a deal with FBI - one more meeting.
3. Seems a little touch-and-go - asking about "their temperature"
4. Can't believe they are walking away if Javi is still alive and running the cartel
5. Sounds like the are not "running" since they still have the casino, and presumably the Byrde Foundation.
So, I am expecting some kind of civil war in the Navarro Cartel, where Omar ousts/kills Javi. If the Byrdes are cutting a deal with the FBI - they must be providing intel, and most likely cash from the cartel. Maybe the cartel implodes in the civil war, and Marty is able to get the money out and to the FBI before anyone of consequence knows anything about it.
Knowing the Byrde's luck, I think the accident will impact their ability to complete their deal with the FBI - perhaps they survive the accident, but I don't see this as a happily ever after show.
1. Jonah still has a stick up his ###, but Wendy seems out of her manic phase
2. Family seems to have worked out a deal with FBI - one more meeting.
3. Seems a little touch-and-go - asking about "their temperature"
4. Can't believe they are walking away if Javi is still alive and running the cartel
5. Sounds like the are not "running" since they still have the casino, and presumably the Byrde Foundation.
So, I am expecting some kind of civil war in the Navarro Cartel, where Omar ousts/kills Javi. If the Byrdes are cutting a deal with the FBI - they must be providing intel, and most likely cash from the cartel. Maybe the cartel implodes in the civil war, and Marty is able to get the money out and to the FBI before anyone of consequence knows anything about it.
Knowing the Byrde's luck, I think the accident will impact their ability to complete their deal with the FBI - perhaps they survive the accident, but I don't see this as a happily ever after show.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Perhaps everything ultimately works out for the Byrdes with respect to the FBI and the cartel. And then they all die in a car accident at the end of the series finale.
Yeah, the way the showrunner was talking (saying as much as the Byrdes seem to able to control situations sometimes life has other plans) I have a feeling that is what is going to happen as well and it would absolutely SUCK.
If they die in a car crash that is lazy writing. It would leave a bad mark on an awesome show.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Right, if they did actually die that way they would want it to come out of nowhere. They wouldn't want to leave it hanging over the whole season for people to dissect and come to that conclusion. I still think they may take advantage of the situation to fake their death (not planned but since the accident happened why not type of decision).
kupcho1
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
kinda how I looked at it. If they did that, you’d have to think it would be like the end of No Country for Old Men but they don’t survive.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Honestly, the move that should have been made was the kids should have taken that money and bolted for the PNW like they talked about. I’m not sure they owe Marty and Wendy anything and they are in the crosshairs. I’m not sure if I would have had the balls at 18 and 15 (or whatever they are supposed to be) to do it but they had a great chance to get out.
Enderdog
Footballguy
offdee
Footballguy
Could the ending still possibly be in the works and yet to be filmed? They show the car crash scene with a number of “ideas” in mind for the ending, but ultimately they use the coming months to read stuff like this thread and dissect what the public thinks would be a great ending, a crappy ending, or come up with something that nobody is really theorizing.
With the 2 part finale and months in between they have the time to do it. Also takes away any risk of the actors/staff leaking the ending.
With the 2 part finale and months in between they have the time to do it. Also takes away any risk of the actors/staff leaking the ending.
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James Bond
Footballguy
I think it's all just a dream sequence and then Marty wakes up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m rooting for Marty to get his revenge on Wendy at some point. Outside that I don’t really care how it ends, although I have a feeling that Ruth may “win” and somehow go from white trash to drug overlord. Which will seem ridiculous but most of the show is - in a great way though.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I don't think Ruth with end up as drug overlord. I think she'll get out of it safely. But it will look like she's broke. And screwed. But it will turn out that Marty, who died, had set her up with a bunch of cash and a new life, etc. So his final act will have been saving her.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Beat me to it.
I agree that would be the ending I think we'd be happy with but I'm also sure the writers watched BB and don't intend to mimic the ending. That would be lazy writing IMO and drop it down a notch for me. I'm pulling for Marty & Ruth to get out of this clean but I can't see a path if they stick to how the show has gone so far. Somebody gonna die.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I definitely think they let Ruth "win" but give her an actual happy ending -- Jesse Pinkman style. Gets away clean with the money or something like that.
Wendy seems more likely to be burned at the stake.
Marty, flip a coin.
Julia Garner deserves all the awards too. What a great character and a great performance.
