Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Well that doesn't look good for PT owners. That means he wont play IMO.
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P. Thomas injury? (1 Viewer)
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Bloom is high on him. What I think it comes down to is how banged up is Chris Ivory? Betts would not pass a healthy Ivory on the depth chart IMO. Althouh I'll admitt Ivory did not look good in the situations he was put in last game. He looked pretty rusty but then again he had been out 4 weeks with an injury himself and was questionable to play against the Falcons. I think either way you are taking a gamble with the Saints back field this week and the situation is going to be short term. Bush could be back sooner than expected and PT could be back by next week so you may be only filling in for a game or two at best. I would look elsewhere if it were me.
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
Except for that he was returning a kick on that play...
shadyridr
Footballguy
Payton said they might sign him anyway
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Payton indicated yesterday that regardless of Perre's status; they would likely activate Wynne for depth - so this neither increased nor decreases the likelihood that Thomas or Ivory can play. That said, I'd still count on not counting on Thomas this week.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Hector and Victor - do not mess with these demigods or your fantasy season will be in the balance.
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http://twitter.com/MacFarlaneCOXTV
Chris Ivory to get 2/3 carries in Saints - Panthers game
http://twitter.com/MacFarlaneCOXTV
Chris Ivory to get 2/3 carries in Saints - Panthers game
Trig2U
Footballguy
hmm... Well, I don't know who this Scott McFarlane guy of "COX TV" is, but that tweet looks to be just some personal prediction pulled completely out of his @55, and if his NFL insight is at the same level as his political perspective, I'd say Ivory is due for a big day tomorrow.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
This is getting annoying now. I'm a PT owner and I just dropped Ivory for Betts yesterday based on the nuggets that Betts is getting 1st team reps b/c Ivory's pass protecting is suspect. Now, who knows?
PT should be back next week (even if he misses this week) but Reggie Bush is coming back soon too and the Saints can barely run anyway.
I'm starting to think that these backup RBs on these pass-first offenses (Betts, Ivory, Hart, Kuhn, Nance) are all a wild goose chase.
PT should be back next week (even if he misses this week) but Reggie Bush is coming back soon too and the Saints can barely run anyway.
I'm starting to think that these backup RBs on these pass-first offenses (Betts, Ivory, Hart, Kuhn, Nance) are all a wild goose chase.
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TheArchitect
Footballguy
Obviously, this is a backfield to avoid this week... but, some can't (due to byes) and the big question is going to come if Thomas IS ACTIVE. Do you start him over either Betts or Ivory? If this game turns into a blowout, it seems unlikely that Thomas would be in there grinding it out in the 2nd half (IMO).
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
I'm in a bind too b/c I was a Grant owner, have bye week issue and don't want to start a gimpy PT even if he is active. But I'm not gonna roll Betts out there either without knowing how the carries will be allocated.I'm going in another direction and starting Snelling. At least I know ATL can and will run a lot. And I know Turner had 30 carries last week and coupdl probably use a break (especially if ATL is up late on SF).Obviously, this is a backfield to avoid this week... but, some can't (due to byes) and the big question is going to come if Thomas IS ACTIVE. Do you start him over either Betts or Ivory? If this game turns into a blowout, it seems unlikely that Thomas would be in there grinding it out in the 2nd half (IMO).
Trig2U
Footballguy
This is based on merely a couple of things I've read and deduced, but my understanding is that they prefer Betts' blocking skills and they want to protect Drew on passing downs.
But I'd bet that Ivory is still going to see carries, especially around the goal line and when they need a first down, etc. That would be his floor; and he could get more work than that, depending on how quickly and how far they get on top of Carolina.
I'd be *very* wary of betting my game this week on Ladell Betts. The guy is a journeyman RB, nothing more, nothing less, and a 31 year old one at that.
Obviously, this is a tough situation but I if I was in a pinch this week I'd roll the dice on Ivory. The kid has talent and a waaay better chance of breaking a big play and especially of getting into the end zone on Sunday.
My two cents.
But I'd bet that Ivory is still going to see carries, especially around the goal line and when they need a first down, etc. That would be his floor; and he could get more work than that, depending on how quickly and how far they get on top of Carolina.
I'd be *very* wary of betting my game this week on Ladell Betts. The guy is a journeyman RB, nothing more, nothing less, and a 31 year old one at that.
Obviously, this is a tough situation but I if I was in a pinch this week I'd roll the dice on Ivory. The kid has talent and a waaay better chance of breaking a big play and especially of getting into the end zone on Sunday.
My two cents.
TheArchitect
Footballguy
Regardless of who's active, PT and Ivory are both dinged, the Saints have no roster depth at the position, and the game could get out of hand early... am I the only one thinking Betts could get a ton of 2nd-half touches (see: PT in Week 1) 
Not at all...I think that is the upside here, though it is awfully difficult to determine whether it will be Betts or Ivory.Regardless of who's active, PT and Ivory are both dinged, the Saints have no roster depth at the position, and the game could get out of hand early... am I the only one thinking Betts could get a ton of 2nd-half touches (see: PT in Week 1)
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Dont know him but Ivory is a lock for at least 10 carries. If it were not for his injury situation I would say more than that. This is what throws this Sunday into a gray area for me. If Ivory were 100% I would pick him up and start him with confidence over Betts. Who knows really other than Sean Payton who is being very tight lipped about injuries to keep opposing defenses confused. There is also the chance that the Saints just pass pass pass the whole game. It depends on what the defense of the Panthers give them.
Im staying away myself.
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GSWarriors
Footballguy
Can ivory catch like Pierre? Or will betts be the receiving threat on those screen plays payton loves to call?Not at all...I think that is the upside here, though it is awfully difficult to determine whether it will be Betts or Ivory.Regardless of who's active, PT and Ivory are both dinged, the Saints have no roster depth at the position, and the game could get out of hand early... am I the only one thinking Betts could get a ton of 2nd-half touches (see: PT in Week 1)
Way too small of a sample size to truly know. From what I saw he can catch, but that and a 5 spot will get you something at Starbucks.Can ivory catch like Pierre? Or will betts be the receiving threat on those screen plays payton loves to call?Not at all...I think that is the upside here, though it is awfully difficult to determine whether it will be Betts or Ivory.Regardless of who's active, PT and Ivory are both dinged, the Saints have no roster depth at the position, and the game could get out of hand early... am I the only one thinking Betts could get a ton of 2nd-half touches (see: PT in Week 1)
Nero
Footballguy
PT is not playing. I think those expecting him back next week will be disappointed. Payton said PT didn't have a high ankle sprain. He is full of ####, I saw the injury. I have PT on several teams. I wouldn't play him if he was active this week, next week, or maybe even the week after that.
As for who to pick up, I think Ivory's talent level is way overrated based on one big play. Betts was described as a journeyman, but he has had success in the league. I would rather hang my hat on that than what I have seen from Ivory.
As for who to pick up, I think Ivory's talent level is way overrated based on one big play. Betts was described as a journeyman, but he has had success in the league. I would rather hang my hat on that than what I have seen from Ivory.
Nero
Footballguy
Just my opinion based on my observation of the injury. It was pretty bad. It was a minor miracle he came in for the one play after it happened. The suggestion that there is a chance he will play this week is just gamesmanship. The Saints offense will be a lot easier to defend minus Bush and Thomas. May as well make the opponent prepare as if Thomas is going to play.
Tenacious
Footballguy
That's just it though. I don't see how he comes back for that next play and yet misses the next 2 games as you suggest he could. That does not compute. This is murky, but I won't be surprised if he plays tomorrow at all. Not that you should start a gimpy Thomas if he does play, but nobody in this thread knows what they're talking about anymore than I do. I think he'll play.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I think the shark move is Ivory over Betts, especially if this thing goes several weeks.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Reggie Bush should be back in a few weeks or less.
Koya
Footballguy
It's too soon to tell. Ivory may have more NFL talent and upside, but this is a loaded, passing drive offense. It's not as if the saints need a great runner - a solid back that knows their assignments, can block, hold onto the ball and catch some passes is fine. As such, if Betts looks competent as a runner he may hold onto decent value in this offense.Then again, the real shark move may be to recognize both backs will have a role and it's week to week luck as to who gets a lucky td or the like.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Sorry to bump such an old thread, I got tired of looking for a more current one. Is this the week that Thomas returns, or is it logical to think that with Ivory's game (I know it was vs. TBB) they hold him back? If he sits this week and NOR wins, I think that the bye in week 10 might come into play sort of thing [2 more weeks buys you a month]. One more thing to add; is Ivory the pick up here or is he just as good as the rest of the recent WW pick-ups such as Tolbert and Torain?
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