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Packer writer not very high on Samkon Gado (1 Viewer)

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Packers by position: Injuries a major concern at running back

By Pete Dougherty

pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com

Ted Thompson couldn't try to fill every hole on the Green Bay Packers' roster this year via the NFL draft.

After all, even with the Javon Walker trade, the team's general manager had only five first-day draft picks, and those are the spots where NFL teams have the best chance of finding immediate help.

So one potential problem not addressed on draft day was at running back, where Thompson has taken a calculated risk on the return to health of his top two backs from the past three years rather than a draft pick or free agent who might have started.

Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport are coming back from severe season-ending injuries last year, with the four-time Pro Bowler Green returning from an especially serious injury (torn quadriceps tendon) for an aging running back who turned 29 in the offseason.

Green was one of the NFL's top five or six runners from 2001 through 2004, but after his injury on Oct. 23 at Minnesota, it's almost impossible to project him getting the Packers' running game back to the upper-tier position it held when he was healthy and in his prime. The question is whether his decline will be mild or significant, and whether Davenport will still have his speed after a broken ankle ended his 2005 season.

It's a prospect that has to leave the Packers feeling a little uneasy after last season, when the team's injury-wrecked running game ranked a disastrous No. 30 in the league in rushing yards per game and No. 31 in yards gained per rush.

"I don't know if uneasy is the word," said Jeff Jagodzinski, the Packers' offensive coordinator. "I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do. I know what Ahman can do, and if we can get him back to where he feels comfortable and confident with his injury and rehab, he'll be fine."

"Najeh's always been a good player, he's just never been able to stay health," Jagodzinski said. "I just think there's a question mark on how fast they come back in the preseason."

Green's injury ruined whatever chances he had of signing a lucrative contract in free agency this offseason. He averaged only 3.3 yards a carry in five early-season games behind an overmatched offensive line, then re-signed with the Packers six months after his surgery for $2 million plus incentives.

Likewise, the 27-year-old Davenport's first foray in free agency was useless because of the broken ankle that required surgery Oct. 10, and he signed a one-year, $655,000 deal to return to the Packers.

Neither will be ready to practice at the start of training camp, but the Packers expect both on the field before the preseason finishes, which means they should be available for the regular-season opener against Chicago.

Coach Mike McCarthy and Jagodzinski will try to incorporate them into an entirely revamped running attack based on the zone-blocking scheme that Jagodzinski learned from Alex Gibbs, the secretive former Denver and current Atlanta assistant.

"I believe in the push-and-pull concept," McCarthy said. "You need to establish ball control, because you can't have your defense out there all the time. Our starting point will be running the football and stopping the run."

Samkon Gado, in the meantime, was the Packers' feel-good story last season when he gained 582 yards rushing and averaged 4.1 yards a carry in eight games after the undrafted rookie had been cut from Kansas City's practice squad. He showed enough last season to suggest he's at least a capable backup and perhaps more, though he's been too indecisive in the new zone-blocking scheme that requires the backs to make one cut and go.

In fact, Noah Herron had moved ahead of Gado with the No. 1 offense by the organized-team activities practices in June, though Gado is the superior talent. Neither Green nor Davenport was healthy enough to practice.

"(Gado) thinks too much. He overanalyzes things," Jagodzinski said. "When he didn't think about it in the first minicamp, I thought, 'This kid's going to be OK in this deal.' And then he started thinking about things rather than just hitting it up in there like he did the first camp. He'll be fine.

"When he starts getting smacked around, he'll get that thing downhill in a hurry, I promise you. He's not going to sit there second guessing himself. He's going to have to get up in there. He will. I saw him do it last year (on videotape)."

Fullbacks

At fullback, McCarthy and Jagodzinski aren't looking for a 250-pound glorified guard that most teams want. Though the fullback also is mostly a blocking position in the zone scheme, there's still an emphasis on quickness so he can make blocking reads on the move. Also, the fullbacks preferably are fast enough to be backup halfbacks, which is something Denver has generated in recent years.

"That's what you're looking for, because you can find those guys without putting a big premium on it," Jagodzinski said. "There's just not a lot of fullbacks around anymore, but there's a lot of halfbacks that can play fullback."

That means Herron's chances of making the team have improved, because at 224 pounds, he has just enough size to play some fullback in this scheme, and though he's on the slow end for halfbacks, he's still fast enough to play the position.

Last year's backup, Vonta Leach, is more of a prototypical battering-ram blocker at fullback at 250 pounds but also is a good special-teams cover man, which keeps him in the running for a job.

William Henderson returns for a 12th NFL season at age 35, as long as his abilities haven't fallen off the table in the offseason.
 
Ummm...that did not seem all that critical of the guy.

Posted only that Herron passed him with the first team from time to time...but had the OC talking that he would be fine.

 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back. Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.

 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back. Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.
:no: Green might be ready when camp opens. He will be ready by mid-August, and will be 100% by week 1.

Gado is your classic backup RB who performs admirably when duty calls. He is not a starting caliber RB. A quick look at his splits and time regression are all spot on with every other career backup who has a decent stretch and is never heard from again.

 
Ummm...that did not seem all that critical of the guy.

Posted only that Herron passed him with the first team from time to time...but had the OC talking that he would be fine.
As a Gado owner, I wasn't happy about the zone-blocking comments and that Herron had passed him on the dept chart..but what really got me is that in a 32 line article about the Packers RB it took them until line 24 to even mention young Samkon

 
Many things change when the pads go on. So let's see what happens then as far as the Green Bay RB situation is concerned. I'll stand by my pre-season thought that even if Green is the Week 1 starter, he won't start the entire season and he's likely done as a starting RB in the league. I think Gado stands a very good chance of leading the team in carries this season but I also believe we could see a situation where Green, Gado and Davenport all start games for the Packers this season.

In short, it's a mess but if I was evaluating them from a fantasy perspective at this time, I'd view Gado as having the highest upside; Davenport being a good value pick very late; Green being someone I wouldn't want at all and Herron the longest of long shots to have any meaningful value.

 
Many things change when the pads go on. So let's see what happens then as far as the Green Bay RB situation is concerned. I'll stand by my pre-season thought that even if Green is the Week 1 starter, he won't start the entire season and he's likely done as a starting RB in the league. I think Gado stands a very good chance of leading the team in carries this season but I also believe we could see a situation where Green, Gado and Davenport all start games for the Packers this season.

In short, it's a mess but if I was evaluating them from a fantasy perspective at this time, I'd view Gado as having the highest upside; Davenport being a good value pick very late; Green being someone I wouldn't want at all and Herron the longest of long shots to have any meaningful value.
packersfan,With Favre returning, and a new coaching staff in town, how important will pass-blocking ability be when the rubber hits the road and a starter is named at RB? Do you think Gado can handle the likes of Urlacher and Hillenmeyer and be a complete player this year?

 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back. Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.
:no: Green might be ready when camp opens. He will be ready by mid-August, and will be 100% by week 1.

Gado is your classic backup RB who performs admirably when duty calls. He is not a starting caliber RB. A quick look at his splits and time regression are all spot on with every other career backup who has a decent stretch and is never heard from again.
Green will probably never be 100%, AGAIN.
 
Many things change when the pads go on. So let's see what happens then as far as the Green Bay RB situation is concerned. I'll stand by my pre-season thought that even if Green is the Week 1 starter, he won't start the entire season and he's likely done as a starting RB in the league. I think Gado stands a very good chance of leading the team in carries this season but I also believe we could see a situation where Green, Gado and Davenport all start games for the Packers this season.

In short, it's a mess but if I was evaluating them from a fantasy perspective at this time, I'd view Gado as having the highest upside; Davenport being a good value pick very late; Green being someone I wouldn't want at all and Herron the longest of long shots to have any meaningful value.
packersfan,With Favre returning, and a new coaching staff in town, how important will pass-blocking ability be when the rubber hits the road and a starter is named at RB? Do you think Gado can handle the likes of Urlacher and Hillenmeyer and be a complete player this year?
Pass blocking is key without question. Something to keep in mind is that with Tony Fisher gone the Packers need a third-down RB. Fisher isn't a standout RB by any means but he's very good at picking up blitzes and pass protection. He had taken on a lot of that role from Green in recent seasons but now that job is up for grabs. If Gado can make strides in terms of pass blocking that will obviously help his chances to have a more vital role in the offense. Keep in mind that even if Green is ready for Week 1, he will get plenty of rest every game due to his asthma condition. So the snaps will be there for one or more other RBs. The one who emerges as the best pass blocker could be the one who earns the third-down role should Green be ready to start. Can Gado do that? I believe he can but he has plenty of work to do.
 
Many things change when the pads go on. So let's see what happens then as far as the Green Bay RB situation is concerned. I'll stand by my pre-season thought that even if Green is the Week 1 starter, he won't start the entire season and he's likely done as a starting RB in the league. I think Gado stands a very good chance of leading the team in carries this season but I also believe we could see a situation where Green, Gado and Davenport all start games for the Packers this season.

In short, it's a mess but if I was evaluating them from a fantasy perspective at this time, I'd view Gado as having the highest upside; Davenport being a good value pick very late; Green being someone I wouldn't want at all and Herron the longest of long shots to have any meaningful value.
packersfan,With Favre returning, and a new coaching staff in town, how important will pass-blocking ability be when the rubber hits the road and a starter is named at RB? Do you think Gado can handle the likes of Urlacher and Hillenmeyer and be a complete player this year?
Pass blocking is key without question. Something to keep in mind is that with Tony Fisher gone the Packers need a third-down RB. Fisher isn't a standout RB by any means but he's very good at picking up blitzes and pass protection. He had taken on a lot of that role from Green in recent seasons but now that job is up for grabs. If Gado can make strides in terms of pass blocking that will obviously help his chances to have a more vital role in the offense. Keep in mind that even if Green is ready for Week 1, he will get plenty of rest every game due to his asthma condition. So the snaps will be there for one or more other RBs. The one who emerges as the best pass blocker could be the one who earns the third-down role should Green be ready to start. Can Gado do that? I believe he can but he has plenty of work to do.
:goodposting: I'm there with you on Gado - he was my prized waiver-wire pickup last year in several leagues, so I paid close attention to his performance prior to his injury. I felt that he improved in the blocking department markedly as he gained more "live-game" experience vs. starting NFL linebackers/linemen, but I am still on the fence regarding his ability to handle the top-notch guys (like Urlacher) who'll be lining up across from him during the coming season.

If Gado can handle pass-blocking assignments and still release as a safety valve, then he'd become an every-down guy (which is getting to be a rare commodity in the NFL and, obviously, = fantasy gold). So, when I watch the Packers' preseason games, I'll be looking at his performance in passing situations as much as I consider his burst hitting the hole while handling running assignments.

 
Do you think Gado can handle the likes of Urlacher and Hillenmeyer and be a complete player this year?
Mark - FYI - Urlacher has been William Henderson's girlfriend since entering the league. When Henderson plays, Urlacher spends most of the day on his back. This is well-known.
 
boy is this a misleading thread title.
:goodposting:
as i mentioned in a previous post.. what was more telling than anything was that the first mentino of Gado does not happened until about 3/4 into the article..After last year, I would have thought he would have been a bigger part of the discussion... at least a bigger part than Davenport who is always always always either hurt or stuck in a closet

 
Gado does not impress me as much as he impresses other Packer fans around here. I like the talent and potential he showed last year, but I'm not sure his head can keep up. I remember hearing rumors last year that when Gado was starting the coaches had to really simplify alot of the running plays for him. As a new addition to the team I can understand that, but it doesn't seem like he has come as far along this year as the the coaches were hoping for.

I wish I was as optomistic about him as others, but if Green can't make it back, I don't see this situation working out as well as others believe. Gado has a lot to prove mentally before I jump on his bandwagon.

 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back.  Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.
:no: Green might be ready when camp opens. He will be ready by mid-August, and will be 100% by week 1.
do you have next week's Texas Lotto number handy? PM please. TIA.
 
After last year, I would have thought he would have been a bigger part of the discussion... at least a bigger part than Davenport who is always always always either hurt or stuck in a closet
For what it's worth, I think Davenport is the most talented RB on the roster (again, I think Green is pretty much done). Talent has never been the issue with Davenport. He simply cannot stay healthy and I wouldn't expect that to change this season. But he is talented.
 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back.  Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.
:no: Green might be ready when camp opens. He will be ready by mid-August, and will be 100% by week 1.

Gado is your classic backup RB who performs admirably when duty calls. He is not a starting caliber RB. A quick look at his splits and time regression are all spot on with every other career backup who has a decent stretch and is never heard from again.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...ic=252310&st=50 See post 57 brandon. this 100% by week 1 is wishful thinking on your part.

QUOTE(The Man With No Name @ Jul 19 2006, 12:31 AM)

Here are some other players that have had the same injury(some torn quadriceps are more serious than others, from what I have read.

Mike McCoy, Packers cb, 10/30/83. Never played again. Tore it again 7/23/84.

Santana Dotson, Packers dt, 11/27/00. Played 16 games in 2001. that was it.

Steve Warren, Packers dt, 12/03/00. Missed all of 2001, played 12 games in 2002. That was it.

Darrell Ashmore, Raiders og, 08/06/02. Never played again.

Brandon Christenson, Raiders te, 1/2003 during playoff game. Never played again.

Frank Middleton, Raiders og, 10/12/03. Played 7 games in 2004. That was it.

Joe Johnson, Packers de, 08/2003. Never played again.

Leon Searcy, Jaguars ol, 2000 training camp. Never played again.

Lawrence Smith, Bills ot, 08/2005. ???????? Hasn't played since

Tank Johnson, Bears dt, 03/2006. ????????

Kevin Barry, Packers og, 05/2006. ????????

Brett Conway, Skins k, 09/2002. Played 8 games in 2003. That was it.

Some more-

Anthony Parker, 49ers cb, 07/24/99. Played 16g in 2000, 5 in 2001 for Oakland.

He was the 99th player selected in the '99 draft.

Bernard Holsey, Bears dt, 02/2004. Hasn't played since.

Belton Johnson, Bengals ot, 06/24/04. hasn't played since.

Chad Scott, Steelers cb, 10/17/04. Missed 9 games, played season finale and 2 playoff games, but didn't start them. Played 3 games(4 tackles) in 2005 for Pats. Started 88 of 91 games in Steelers career.

 
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Gado does not impress me as much as he impresses other Packer fans around here. I like the talent and potential he showed last year, but I'm not sure his head can keep up. I remember hearing rumors last year that when Gado was starting the coaches had to really simplify alot of the running plays for him. As a new addition to the team I can understand that, but it doesn't seem like he has come as far along this year as the the coaches were hoping for.

I wish I was as optomistic about him as others, but if Green can't make it back, I don't see this situation working out as well as others believe. Gado has a lot to prove mentally before I jump on his bandwagon.
:goodposting: Lots of RBs look great in limited duty.Sell high! Sell high!

 
For those of you unfamiliar with the Packer running backs, I'll just let you know that Gado is far and away the RB on the roster right now who is most likely to be physically ready to play by Opening Day.....and most gamedays during the season.

Green MIGHT be back.  Davenport will almost certainly be nursing one injury or another.

Gado will get a lot of carries this year....he might actually lead the team this year.
:no: Green might be ready when camp opens. He will be ready by mid-August, and will be 100% by week 1.

Gado is your classic backup RB who performs admirably when duty calls. He is not a starting caliber RB. A quick look at his splits and time regression are all spot on with every other career backup who has a decent stretch and is never heard from again.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...ic=252310&st=50 See post 57 brandon. this 100% by week 1 is wishful thinking on your part.

QUOTE(The Man With No Name @ Jul 19 2006, 12:31 AM)

Here are some other players that have had the same injury(some torn quadriceps are more serious than others, from what I have read.

Mike McCoy, Packers cb, 10/30/83. Never played again. Tore it again 7/23/84.

Santana Dotson, Packers dt, 11/27/00. Played 16 games in 2001. that was it.

Steve Warren, Packers dt, 12/03/00. Missed all of 2001, played 12 games in 2002. That was it.

Darrell Ashmore, Raiders og, 08/06/02. Never played again.

Brandon Christenson, Raiders te, 1/2003 during playoff game. Never played again.

Frank Middleton, Raiders og, 10/12/03. Played 7 games in 2004. That was it.

Joe Johnson, Packers de, 08/2003. Never played again.

Leon Searcy, Jaguars ol, 2000 training camp. Never played again.

Lawrence Smith, Bills ot, 08/2005. ???????? Hasn't played since

Tank Johnson, Bears dt, 03/2006. ????????

Kevin Barry, Packers og, 05/2006. ????????

Brett Conway, Skins k, 09/2002. Played 8 games in 2003. That was it.

Some more-

Anthony Parker, 49ers cb, 07/24/99. Played 16g in 2000, 5 in 2001 for Oakland.

He was the 99th player selected in the '99 draft.

Bernard Holsey, Bears dt, 02/2004. Hasn't played since.

Belton Johnson, Bengals ot, 06/24/04. hasn't played since.

Chad Scott, Steelers cb, 10/17/04. Missed 9 games, played season finale and 2 playoff games, but didn't start them. Played 3 games(4 tackles) in 2005 for Pats. Started 88 of 91 games in Steelers career.
It's good info and research, but some of these cases can be misleading. Santana Dotson was 30/31 when he injured his quad. He came back but later injured his knee at 32, and then at 33 during training camp had an achilis injury that sealed the deal on him never playing again. If there is some sort of proof that the quad injury set off the others, I would much more of a believer.A few of the others listed were just never that good to begin with, and even if they never had the quad injury they may have ended up backups at best. If/when I have more time, I may have to take a closer look into each one of their injuries and see if there were others involved as well.

I'm not ruling out what happened to others and it severely hurting their careers. I just don't believe that the overall situations with each of these players are similar enough to make any sort of hard proof comparison to Green's. I have always been a believer in no two injuries are alike, and no two players will receover eaqually.

 

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