Packers OL will use "cut-blocking" technique (1 Viewer)

[CletiusMaximus]

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_26416899.shtml

It was in the cards the day they hired Jags as the new OC and he announced his intention to use the Gibbs/Denver "zone blocking" scheme. Cut-blocking is a crucial component of that scheme.

As a Packer fan and a fan of good OL play, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, there's the "anything to get a W" school, as long as its legal. I used to cut-block myself quite often as an undersized center many years ago in high school football - it was very effective in the right situation.

On the other hand, I admit to having been somewhat critical of Denver in the past for their unabashed use of this sometimes-dangerous technique.

The only live cut blocking the Packers will do is in games, because even in training camp, teams don’t cut block their own players.

WTF ??Here's the not-so-enlightened quote from Jagodzinski:

“Yeah, we’re going to cut block,” Jagodzinski said. “They’re going to try to tackle us, aren’t they?”

 

[Sabertooth]

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_26416899.shtml

It was in the cards the day they hired Jags as the new OC and he announced his intention to use the Gibbs/Denver "zone blocking" scheme. Cut-blocking is a crucial component of that scheme.

As a Packer fan and a fan of good OL play, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, there's the "anything to get a W" school, as long as its legal. I used to cut-block myself quite often as an undersized center many years ago in high school football - it was very effective in the right situation.

On the other hand, I admit to having been somewhat critical of Denver in the past for their unabashed use of this sometimes-dangerous technique.

The only live cut blocking the Packers will do is in games, because even in training camp, teams don’t cut block their own players.

WTF ??Here's the not-so-enlightened quote from Jagodzinski:

“Yeah, we’re going to cut block,” Jagodzinski said. “They’re going to try to tackle us, aren’t they?”

I feel like you do. I consider this a somewhat bush-league tactic and yet I don't want to suffer through another 4-12 debacle. I'd just as soon see the league outlaw this technique.

 

[R.White]

Posted yesterday on the Footballguys News Blogger

June 13, 2006, 08:55

Packers :: OL

Packers’ OC Jagodzinski Adds Cut Blocks

Pete Dougherty, PackersNews.com - [Full Article]

The Packers’ offensive linemen have been practicing a technique that will be a more prominent and likely a controversial part of their repertoire in their new zone-blocking scheme: cut blocking. The Packers have practiced cut blocking several times this offseason in their minicamps and organized team activities, something they rarely, if ever, did under their last three coaching staffs. The offensive linemen practice it by running and diving at low-placed blocking dummies.

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[Ditkaless Wonders]

I don't like this development though I do realize that all teams employ it from time to time. I do not like Denver's use of the technique which ranges from dangerous to dirty. The Packers public adoption of the technique will potentially open the floodgates to other teams using the technique more and more. Injuries to d-lineman are almost certain to follow and potentially become epidemic. The league needs to address this.

Mark me a lifelong Packer fan who today is disappointed.

 

[perry147]

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_26416899.shtml

It was in the cards the day they hired Jags as the new OC and he announced his intention to use the Gibbs/Denver "zone blocking" scheme. Cut-blocking is a crucial component of that scheme.

As a Packer fan and a fan of good OL play, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, there's the "anything to get a W" school, as long as its legal. I used to cut-block myself quite often as an undersized center many years ago in high school football - it was very effective in the right situation.

On the other hand, I admit to having been somewhat critical of Denver in the past for their unabashed use of this sometimes-dangerous technique.

The only live cut blocking the Packers will do is in games, because even in training camp, teams don’t cut block their own players.

WTF ??Here's the not-so-enlightened quote from Jagodzinski:

“Yeah, we’re going to cut block,” Jagodzinski said. “They’re going to try to tackle us, aren’t they?”

I feel like you do. I consider this a somewhat bush-league tactic and yet I don't want to suffer through another 4-12 debacle. I'd just as soon see the league outlaw this technique.

The NFL needs to make it a 15 yard penalty and loss of down if a lineman blocks below the waist while he is anywhere but heads up on this opponent.Doctor Z from CNNSI had a great article awhile back about this issue, and he said that the NFLs desire to protect their offensive stars is the reasoning behind its nonaction.

 

[Jason Wood]

The more I read, the more I think Green Bay finished 10th in this year's coaching carousel :X

 

[higgins]

This is nothing new -- iirc DEN, ATL, HOU, WASH, NO and now GB either use zone and cut blocking or will start to implement soon.

 

[mcjc4]

I assume they got Brett's approval on this or will they need to change this once he disagree's with the coach's decision again?

 

[Aaronstory]

The more I read, the more I think Green Bay finished 10th in this year's coaching carousel :X

Why? Because the HC hired an OC that is implementing a proven technique? Yeah, that's just the sign of a horrible coach.

 

[Sabertooth]

Atlanta sucked at running last year dude. WTF would Jags know about running the ball?

 

[BlueOnion]

I have no qualms with the cut-block; it is risky but only because defensive lineman have focused on becoming larger and more powerful instead of agile.

If defensive linemen were more agile, people would be up in arms about 350 pound offensive linemen drive blocking smallish defensive linemen.

There has to be a balance.

 

[Crimedogg32]

Atlanta sucked at running last year dude.

If you consider leading the NFL in rushing last year yea they sucked...

 

[GroveDiesel]

Honestly, if more teams are going to use this, I'd like to see defenses start to use the same technique. Have the defensive lineman cut the offensive lineman so that a blitzing LBer or DB can then shoot the hole. We'll see how long that would last before the league decided to finally outlaw the cut block.

 

[GregR_2]

I have no qualms with the cut-block; it is risky but only because defensive lineman have focused on becoming larger and more powerful instead of agile.

If defensive linemen were more agile, people would be up in arms about 350 pound offensive linemen drive blocking smallish defensive linemen.

There has to be a balance.

Is that kind of like, kidney punches and clothes-lining are risky, but only because the running backs aren't agile enough to avoid them?Don't think you've sold me on this argument.

 

[perry147]

I have no qualms with the cut-block; it is risky but only because defensive lineman have focused on becoming larger and more powerful instead of agile.

If defensive linemen were more agile, people would be up in arms about 350 pound offensive linemen drive blocking smallish defensive linemen.

There has to be a balance.

 

[perry147]

Honestly, if more teams are going to use this, I'd like to see defenses start to use the same technique. Have the defensive lineman cut the offensive lineman so that a blitzing LBer or DB can then shoot the hole. We'll see how long that would last before the league decided to finally outlaw the cut block.

No what you need to do is bring a DB off the corner at drive into the Tackles exposed knee while he is occupied with the defensive end.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Honestly, if more teams are going to use this, I'd like to see defenses start to use the same technique. Have the defensive lineman cut the offensive lineman so that a blitzing LBer or DB can then shoot the hole. We'll see how long that would last before the league decided to finally outlaw the cut block.

No what you need to do is bring a DB off the corner at drive into the Tackles exposed knee while he is occupied with the defensive end.

Well, that is actually still against the rules for both offensive and defensive linemen. A player can not hit another player below the waist while he is engaged with another player. The problem is that the players are still allowed to cut an opponent at the knees as long as they are one-on-one. It's why defensive linemen are injured 20% more often than offensive linemen.

 

[Slinger]

Atlanta sucked at running last year dude. 

If you consider leading the NFL in rushing last year yea they sucked...

He was being sarcastic.

 

[BlueOnion]

I have no qualms with the cut-block; it is risky but only because defensive lineman have focused on becoming larger and more powerful instead of agile. 

If defensive linemen were more agile, people would be up in arms about 350 pound offensive linemen drive blocking smallish defensive linemen.

There has to be a balance.

Is that kind of like, kidney punches and clothes-lining are risky, but only because the running backs aren't agile enough to avoid them?Don't think you've sold me on this argument.

Technically I don't think there is anything dangerous about a cut block. What makes the cut block dangerous at the NFL level is the type of athlete being cut blocked. Usually they are 6'3 and 285 pound monsters who are just carrying too much weight on their frame to adequately avoid injury while being cut blocked.Edited - How many linebackers or defensive backs have been hurt by an incorrect cut block (chop block)?

 

[Jason Wood]

The more I read, the more I think Green Bay finished 10th in this year's coaching carousel :X

Why? Because the HC hired an OC that is implementing a proven technique? Yeah, that's just the sign of a horrible coach.

Oh no...because Mike McCarthy hired Jeff Jagodzinski and is likely to be poorly imitating a proven yet dirty technique (plus many many other reasons which have been discussed in separate threads).In all seriousness, let's remember that not every coach who implemented the WCO was Bill Walsh...not everyone who tried the run 'n shoot flourished, not every 4-6 worked, etc...just because someone from a coaching tree is bringing a technique with him doesn't mean it's going to be effective.

 

[Sea Bass]

Atlanta sucked at running last year dude. WTF would Jags know about running the ball?

 

[SSOG]

http://www.packersnews.com/archives/news/pack_26416899.shtml

It was in the cards the day they hired Jags as the new OC and he announced his intention to use the Gibbs/Denver "zone blocking" scheme. Cut-blocking is a crucial component of that scheme.

As a Packer fan and a fan of good OL play, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, there's the "anything to get a W" school, as long as its legal. I used to cut-block myself quite often as an undersized center many years ago in high school football - it was very effective in the right situation.

On the other hand, I admit to having been somewhat critical of Denver in the past for their unabashed use of this sometimes-dangerous technique.

Highlighted for emphasis. People talk about the cut block as if Denver's the only team that ever does it. Every team in the NFL cut blocks. Every kid who has ever played lineman in Pop-Warner has been taught how to cut block. It is a fundamental football technique, and not some invention of Denver's. People harping on Denver for it would be like if Denver came up with a pass-rushing technique where they just had every Defensive Lineman perform a swim move at the same time. It just doesn't make sense.I agree that sometimes players will perform certain techniques with the intent to injure, and that these are "dirty" players... but for the most part, Denver's linemen are not at all dirty (the big exception being Dan Neil, who I am convinced sometimes intended to injure). With that said, how is cut blocking any different than a safety laying the wood on a receiver going over the middle? I mean, what logical purpose does leaving your feet and blowing up a WR serve? The only benefit of it is that it hurts the other player and makes them hesitant to go over the middle again. And yet, while it shares the same basic philosophy as cut blocking (make the other guy nervous), and has probably an even MORE malicious intent (lots of people cut block without meaning to hurt the other guy, but no one has ever laid wood without intentionally trying to inflict some pain)... and cut blocking is somehow this villanous act, while big hits are celebrated and ENCOURAGED. I don't get it.

I don't like this development though I do realize that all teams employ it from time to time. I do not like Denver's use of the technique which ranges from dangerous to dirty. The Packers public adoption of the technique will potentially open the floodgates to other teams using the technique more and more. Injuries to d-lineman are almost certain to follow and potentially become epidemic. The league needs to address this.

Mark me a lifelong Packer fan who today is disappointed.

I've seen studies on the matter over the past decade. The studies have found that Denver does not injure defensive linemen at a statistically higher rate than any other offense does. It also said that the severity of injuries incurred by D-Linemen against Denver was in line with the severity of injuries incurred against other teams.

The NFL needs to make it a 15 yard penalty and loss of down if a lineman blocks below the waist while he is anywhere but heads up on this opponent.

Doctor Z from CNNSI had a great article awhile back about this issue, and he said that the NFLs desire to protect their offensive stars is the reasoning behind its nonaction.

Don Shula, who I think we'll all agree is a pretty good offensive mind, has said before that eliminating cut blocking would cause a drastic drop in offense. I don't think cut blocking is allowed because it protects offensive stars, I think it's allowed because it protects offensive production, and everyone knows that offense sells tickets.

Honestly, if more teams are going to use this, I'd like to see defenses start to use the same technique. Have the defensive lineman cut the offensive lineman so that a blitzing LBer or DB can then shoot the hole. We'll see how long that would last before the league decided to finally outlaw the cut block.

No what you need to do is bring a DB off the corner at drive into the Tackles exposed knee while he is occupied with the defensive end.

That's not cut blocking. That's chop blocking. Chop blocking is absolutely, 100% illegal. Worth noting is that, iirc, no Denver offensive lineman has been called for chop blocking in years- a claim that many other teams cannot make. Just something to consider before arguing that Denver's line is so dirty.

 

[SSOG]

The more I read, the more I think Green Bay finished 10th in this year's coaching carousel :X

Why? Because the HC hired an OC that is implementing a proven technique? Yeah, that's just the sign of a horrible coach.

Oh no...because Mike McCarthy hired Jeff Jagodzinski and is likely to be poorly imitating a proven yet dirty technique (plus many many other reasons which have been discussed in separate threads).In all seriousness, let's remember that not every coach who implemented the WCO was Bill Walsh...not everyone who tried the run 'n shoot flourished, not every 4-6 worked, etc...just because someone from a coaching tree is bringing a technique with him doesn't mean it's going to be effective.

First off, Cut Blocking is not dirty. Every single team in the NFL does it- as does every single team in college football, and the majority of high school and pop warner teams.Second off, it's the "46" defense, not the "4-6" defense. 4-6 implies 4 Defensive Lineman and 6 Linebackers (which would leave 1 defensive back, and would be defensive suicide, personnel-wise). The "46" defense implies a philosophy rather than a personnel grouping- the concept of doing anything and everything to get to the QB.

I agree with the idea, though. There's a lot more to Denver's system than just cut blocking. There's also the one-cut running style, and there's the little matter of personnel (Denver's are perfectly suited for the job, Green Bay's... are not). I think anticipating any great results this season is overly optimistic. As I said in another thread, if you take out Michael Vick's rushing numbers, Atlanta's rushing offense actually DECLINED the first season they implemented the cut blocking scheme.

 

[perry147]

The more I read, the more I think Green Bay finished 10th in this year's coaching carousel :X

Why? Because the HC hired an OC that is implementing a proven technique? Yeah, that's just the sign of a horrible coach.

Oh no...because Mike McCarthy hired Jeff Jagodzinski and is likely to be poorly imitating a proven yet dirty technique (plus many many other reasons which have been discussed in separate threads).In all seriousness, let's remember that not every coach who implemented the WCO was Bill Walsh...not everyone who tried the run 'n shoot flourished, not every 4-6 worked, etc...just because someone from a coaching tree is bringing a technique with him doesn't mean it's going to be effective.

Did any team flourish using the run n' shoot?aka the chuck and duck?

 

[Big Score]

Did any team flourish using the run n' shoot?

aka the chuck and duck?

June Jones used the run n' shoot with the Falcons 1994 through 1996.During that time, he had the run n' shoot offense ranking in the top 10 twice...7th & 6th.

 

[perry147]

Did any team flourish using the run n' shoot?

aka the chuck and duck?

June Jones used the run n' shoot with the Falcons 1994 through 1996.During that time, he had the run n' shoot offense ranking in the top 10 twice...7th & 6th.

Nice find but did they go deep into the playoffs?

 

[Big Score]

Did any team flourish using the run n' shoot?

aka the chuck and duck?

June Jones used the run n' shoot with the Falcons 1994 through 1996.During that time, he had the run n' shoot offense ranking in the top 10 twice...7th & 6th.

Nice find but did they go deep into the playoffs?

Heck no. June Jones was all offense all the time and didn't care about the defense. Their D was ranked 28th, 29th & 29th. They couldn't stop a pop warner team.

I'm thinking the old Houston Oilers also ran a version of the run n' shoot too, didn't they?

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Ain't nothing wrong with a cut-block if you are 1-1 on your opponent. I played football in High School and it was a fundamental technique that if you thought your opponent was gonna beat you to take out his legs. It wasn't dirty - it was dam* affective.

Cut blocking in a 2-1 situation or from behind is definately dirty...............

 

[Sabertooth]

Atlanta sucked at running last year dude. 

If you consider leading the NFL in rushing last year yea they sucked...

:whoosh:

 

[SSOG]

Did any team flourish using the run n' shoot?

aka the chuck and duck?

June Jones used the run n' shoot with the Falcons 1994 through 1996.During that time, he had the run n' shoot offense ranking in the top 10 twice...7th & 6th.

Nice find but did they go deep into the playoffs?

Heck no. June Jones was all offense all the time and didn't care about the defense. Their D was ranked 28th, 29th & 29th. They couldn't stop a pop warner team.

I'm thinking the old Houston Oilers also ran a version of the run n' shoot too, didn't they?

Yes, Warren Moon and the Oilers were the ones that popularized the Run n' Shoot in the first place, iirc.

Ain't nothing wrong with a cut-block if you are 1-1 on your opponent. I played football in High School and it was a fundamental technique that if you thought your opponent was gonna beat you to take out his legs. It wasn't dirty - it was dam* affective.

Cut blocking in a 2-1 situation or from behind is definately dirty...............

 

[MrPack]

For everyone ripping this, do you guys even know what a 1 on 1 cut block is?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I played O lineman in high school, and was never taught cut blocking tecniques. Our coaches hated it, and it was not considered a fundamental tecnique. At the pro level, I think that changes a bit.

 

[BlueOnion]

Honestly, if more teams are going to use this, I'd like to see defenses start to use the same technique.  Have the defensive lineman cut the offensive lineman so that a blitzing LBer or DB can then shoot the hole.  We'll see how long that would last before the league decided to finally outlaw the cut block.

No what you need to do is bring a DB off the corner at drive into the Tackles exposed knee while he is occupied with the defensive end.

That's not cut blocking. That's chop blocking. Chop blocking is absolutely, 100% illegal. Worth noting is that, iirc, no Denver offensive lineman has been called for chop blocking in years- a claim that many other teams cannot make. Just something to consider before arguing that Denver's line is so dirty.

Chop blocking is 'dirty' and personally I don't even think it is in the same concept of cut blocking.

Chop Block (illegal double-team) - One offensive lineman holds up a defensive player so another offensive player can dive at said defensive player's legs from the side or from behind.

Cut Block (one-on-one) - To impeed a defensive players progress but blocking him at the waist down (from the front).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Chop Block (illegal double-team) - One offensive lineman holds up a defensive player so another offensive player can dive at said defensive player's legs from the side or from behind.

Cut Block (one-on-one) - To impeed a defensive players progress but blocking him at the waist down (from the front).

I agree there is often confusion as to what a cut-block is, as opposed to a "chop-block" or other illegal block. Packer fans will likely recall the "chop-block" being the Cowboys' favored means employed to [try to] stop Reggie White in the mid-90's.The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." For example, I can't see Mike Whale or Frankie Winters being very happy with an OC that asks them to use cut-blocks. That said, if Ahman is romping through huge holes and Favre actually has a pocket to set up and throw from this season, I'm sure I'll be fine with it.

 

[BlueOnion]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

 

[B-Deep]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

 

[BlueOnion]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective.  In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." 

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

 

[B-Deep]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

 

[BlueOnion]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective.  In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." 

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

Okay, now you are just fishing.

 

[B-Deep]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

and if it is a clean play, why do they only practice it against tackling dummies? It's clean, but they don't want THIER Defensive line suffering the torn knees and broken anklesit's a cheap dirty play. It should be illegal, or greatly restricted.

 

[B-Deep]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

Okay, now you are just fishing.

how so?most people agre that the cutblock is dangerous and should not be legal, yet I am fiushing because I agree with that? I think Gene Upshaw has a LITTLE bit more knowledge of blocking techniques than you OR I, I am pretty sure he knows the difference between a cut block and a chop block, and HE wants rules against them.

Perhaps big Gene is fishing too.

 

[perry147]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

and if it is a clean play, why do they only practice it against tackling dummies? It's clean, but they don't want THIER Defensive line suffering the torn knees and broken anklesit's a cheap dirty play. It should be illegal, or greatly restricted.

Exactly - The NFL wants to protect their offensive superstars and does not care if the lowly Defensive Tackle gets his ankle broken or knee ripped up.

 

[BlueOnion]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective.  In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." 

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

and if it is a clean play, why do they only practice it against tackling dummies? It's clean, but they don't want THIER Defensive line suffering the torn knees and broken anklesit's a cheap dirty play. It should be illegal, or greatly restricted.

Good question. And I wonder why Ronnie Lott was not permitted to tee-off on Jerry Rice running crossing patters at practice?

 

[Aaronstory]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective.  In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." 

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

and if it is a clean play, why do they only practice it against tackling dummies? It's clean, but they don't want THIER Defensive line suffering the torn knees and broken anklesit's a cheap dirty play. It should be illegal, or greatly restricted.

Good question. And I wonder why Ronnie Lott was not permitted to tee-off on Jerry Rice running crossing patters at practice?

 

[BlueOnion]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective.  In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you." 

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

Okay, now you are just fishing.

how so?most people agre that the cutblock is dangerous and should not be legal, yet I am fiushing because I agree with that? I think Gene Upshaw has a LITTLE bit more knowledge of blocking techniques than you OR I, I am pretty sure he knows the difference between a cut block and a chop block, and HE wants rules against them.

Perhaps big Gene is fishing too.

Because you are describing a cut block as 'diving at the side of a guy's knee'.

 

[B-Deep]

The main problem I have with the cut-block is that its kind of cheesy, albeit effective. In a sense, you are saying "I can't block you 1-on-1, so I'm going to trip you."

Sometimes being effective requires an athlete to be smarter, not necessarily just bigger muscles.

and if it rips other players knees up, so be it!

So you want me to be sympathetic to guy with more muscles who is trying to rip the other player's head off?

ripping someone's head off is, I believe, illegaldiving at the side of a guys knee and ripping it to shreds is not

unless it is a QB you are diving at of course...

Okay, now you are just fishing.

how so?most people agre that the cutblock is dangerous and should not be legal, yet I am fiushing because I agree with that? I think Gene Upshaw has a LITTLE bit more knowledge of blocking techniques than you OR I, I am pretty sure he knows the difference between a cut block and a chop block, and HE wants rules against them.

Perhaps big Gene is fishing too.

Because you are describing a cut block as 'diving at the side of a guy's knee'.

the side is not the back right?he's not engaged and you are not behind him you are free to target his career, I mean knees, within the tackle box. Isn't that the rule?