ChrisCooleyFan
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With out reading anything yet. I don't understand why Henry gets 8, and PacMan 16. To me Henry should have the 16.
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Pacman gets 16 games - Henry 8 games (1 Viewer)
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How should the NFL treat guys who plea bargain for reduced sentences vs those that are convicted? Because that is the case wth Pacman and Henry and they are repeat offenders.Granted, their crimes aren't murder or cocaine drug trafficing, but that's really a quality over quantity type issue.
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It has been a couple hours now since the announcement. On top of that, I'm sure the players union knew of the suspensions well before the general public. I for one beleive the player's union would have already made a statement that they were going to appeal the suspensions, if in fact that was their plan.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Seriousness of the matter (nobody died or was even shot in Henry's incidents). More police investigations with Pac Man. Pac Man did not report at least a couple of the arrests right away as required by NFL rules.-QG
J-Rock
Footballguy
arrested 10 times - never convicted.involved in a shooting - allegedlyWhy would you disagree. A fight at practice is worse than a guy who was arrested 10 times and was involved in a shooting?I disagree. If this is true I'm afraid for our society.I think you are missing the point, there are fewer people who will stop watching the NFL because Romo punched a teammate in practice , than will stop watching after a player is arrested 10 times and causes a incident in a strip club where people got shot. $$$Will the NFL kindly remove their heads from their a**es!!
16 games for hanging out with the wrong crowd? If I'm not mistaken, Pacman has not been convicted of any crime since he joined the league. The issue here is that he has been charged. Basically they can confirm that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (by choice) but the law has never been able to prove that he has done anything illegal.
Don't misunderstand this as Pacman support. I have no allegiance to Pacman, the Titans or West Virginia.
Here is what really drives me crazy:
Albert Haynesworth Stomped on a guys face opening a 30 stitch gash uncomfortably close to his eye and he gets 5 games.
Shaun Merriman gets caught on the juice and he gets 4 games.
Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams' orbital bone and received 0 games from the NFL (1 day from the Raiders)
Rickey Williams gets 16 games (full season) for getting caught smoking pot too many times.
What is the NFL saying with this suspension? What is the message they are sending?
- It's ok to cheat if it sells more tickets and you don't get caught too many times.
- We have only a small issue with players who put their colleagues careers in jeopardy with brutal and obsessive violence on the field.
- We are unwilling to tolerate "thugs" who hang out with the wrong people or get baked after practice.
IMO the NFL's suspension practices are a complete farce. Someone need to get their priorities straight.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
How many times have you been arrested? How many times were involved in a shooting? This is not normal behavior for anyone. I think it's great that the NFL is taking a stand.arrested 10 times. Not convicted yet. How many plea bargains?arrested 10 times - never convicted.involved in a shooting - allegedlyWhy would you disagree. A fight at practice is worse than a guy who was arrested 10 times and was involved in a shooting?I disagree. If this is true I'm afraid for our society.I think you are missing the point, there are fewer people who will stop watching the NFL because Romo punched a teammate in practice , than will stop watching after a player is arrested 10 times and causes a incident in a strip club where people got shot. $$$Will the NFL kindly remove their heads from their a**es!!
16 games for hanging out with the wrong crowd? If I'm not mistaken, Pacman has not been convicted of any crime since he joined the league. The issue here is that he has been charged. Basically they can confirm that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (by choice) but the law has never been able to prove that he has done anything illegal.
Don't misunderstand this as Pacman support. I have no allegiance to Pacman, the Titans or West Virginia.
Here is what really drives me crazy:
Albert Haynesworth Stomped on a guys face opening a 30 stitch gash uncomfortably close to his eye and he gets 5 games.
Shaun Merriman gets caught on the juice and he gets 4 games.
Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams' orbital bone and received 0 games from the NFL (1 day from the Raiders)
Rickey Williams gets 16 games (full season) for getting caught smoking pot too many times.
What is the NFL saying with this suspension? What is the message they are sending?
- It's ok to cheat if it sells more tickets and you don't get caught too many times.
- We have only a small issue with players who put their colleagues careers in jeopardy with brutal and obsessive violence on the field.
- We are unwilling to tolerate "thugs" who hang out with the wrong people or get baked after practice.
IMO the NFL's suspension practices are a complete farce. Someone need to get their priorities straight.
Its ridiculous to defend actions like this!
dparker713
Footballguy
A nolo contendre or guilty plea still needs to be entered into the record for a plea bargain, so I don't see the problem there. I just feel, that given the propensity for athletes to be falsely accused, any preemptive discipline should not be conducted by the league.How should the NFL treat guys who plea bargain for reduced sentences vs those that are convicted? Because that is the case wth Pacman and Henry and they are repeat offenders.Granted, their crimes aren't murder or cocaine drug trafficing, but that's really a quality over quantity type issue.
I'm pretty sure the league does its own investigation before taking any disciplinary action.
J-Rock
Footballguy
I should really clarify this statement. I'm not saying steroids are worse than what Pac has been involved in. I'm saying that if more people in our society are going to stop watching the NFL because of guys like Pacman than because of guys like Merriman that is a problem.When we decide to stop following a sport because of some of the lifestyle choices of it's athletes but are more willing to tolerate guys enhancing their performance with illegal substances or brutally assaulting another player, that is a problem IMO.Really? Really? This might be the biggest stretch ever.I disagree. If this is true I'm afraid for our society.I think you are missing the point, there are fewer people who will stop watching the NFL because Romo punched a teammate in practice , than will stop watching after a player is arrested 10 times and causes a incident in a strip club where people got shot. $$$Will the NFL kindly remove their heads from their a**es!!
16 games for hanging out with the wrong crowd? If I'm not mistaken, Pacman has not been convicted of any crime since he joined the league. The issue here is that he has been charged. Basically they can confirm that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (by choice) but the law has never been able to prove that he has done anything illegal.
Don't misunderstand this as Pacman support. I have no allegiance to Pacman, the Titans or West Virginia.
Here is what really drives me crazy:
Albert Haynesworth Stomped on a guys face opening a 30 stitch gash uncomfortably close to his eye and he gets 5 games.
Shaun Merriman gets caught on the juice and he gets 4 games.
Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams' orbital bone and received 0 games from the NFL (1 day from the Raiders)
Rickey Williams gets 16 games (full season) for getting caught smoking pot too many times.
What is the NFL saying with this suspension? What is the message they are sending?
- It's ok to cheat if it sells more tickets and you don't get caught too many times.
- We have only a small issue with players who put their colleagues careers in jeopardy with brutal and obsessive violence on the field.
- We are unwilling to tolerate "thugs" who hang out with the wrong people or get baked after practice.
IMO the NFL's suspension practices are a complete farce. Someone need to get their priorities straight.
If Romo broke a guys orbital bone outside a strip club in Vegas instead of on the practice field does that make the act more brutal or any less tolerable?
Merriman's and Haynesworth's actions cheapen the game. Pacman's and Henry's really don't effect the game nearly as much.
Why is being a "bad guy" or a "thug" more detrimental to the league than ripping a team mates helmet off and punching him in the face until his skull cracks (Romo) or driving your cleats into another players face on the field (Haynesworth)???
If the NFL is trying to set a good example for the kids or the community they need to seriously consider the message they send.
I'm pretty comfy saying Goodell is getting his personal conduct policy going to put an end to this. We're at day 1, give him a little time. It seems he has a decent system in placeWill the NFL kindly remove their heads from their a**es!!
16 games for hanging out with the wrong crowd? If I'm not mistaken, Pacman has not been convicted of any crime since he joined the league. The issue here is that he has been charged. Basically they can confirm that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (by choice) but the law has never been able to prove that he has done anything illegal.
Don't misunderstand this as Pacman support. I have no allegiance to Pacman, the Titans or West Virginia.
Here is what really drives me crazy:
Albert Haynesworth Stomped on a guys face opening a 30 stitch gash uncomfortably close to his eye and he gets 5 games.
Shaun Merriman gets caught on the juice and he gets 4 games.
Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams' orbital bone and received 0 games from the NFL (1 day from the Raiders)
Rickey Williams gets 16 games (full season) for getting caught smoking pot too many times.
What is the NFL saying with this suspension? What is the message they are sending?
- It's ok to cheat if it sells more tickets and you don't get caught too many times.
- We have only a small issue with players who put their colleagues careers in jeopardy with brutal and obsessive violence on the field.
- We are unwilling to tolerate "thugs" who hang out with the wrong people or get baked after practice.
IMO the NFL's suspension practices are a complete farce. Someone need to get their priorities straight.
I don't think it's ever been proven that fans will stop following a sport because of player's behavior. Buy less merch, go to less games, not seek out their autograph, bad mouth them and hope they don't get an award or into the hall but....I don't recall that the american public ever stopped watching a sport due to this
J-Rock
Footballguy
I'm not defending his actions. I'm not even saying I think the suspension is too long. What I'm saying is that they need to take the same kind of stand on guys like Merriman and Haynesworth.The number of games a player is suspended indicates the NFL's stance on the severity of the actions (like it or not it does).How many times have you been arrested? How many times were involved in a shooting? This is not normal behavior for anyone. I think it's great that the NFL is taking a stand.arrested 10 times. Not convicted yet. How many plea bargains?arrested 10 times - never convicted.involved in a shooting - allegedlyWhy would you disagree. A fight at practice is worse than a guy who was arrested 10 times and was involved in a shooting?I disagree. If this is true I'm afraid for our society.I think you are missing the point, there are fewer people who will stop watching the NFL because Romo punched a teammate in practice , than will stop watching after a player is arrested 10 times and causes a incident in a strip club where people got shot. $$$Will the NFL kindly remove their heads from their a**es!!
16 games for hanging out with the wrong crowd? If I'm not mistaken, Pacman has not been convicted of any crime since he joined the league. The issue here is that he has been charged. Basically they can confirm that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (by choice) but the law has never been able to prove that he has done anything illegal.
Don't misunderstand this as Pacman support. I have no allegiance to Pacman, the Titans or West Virginia.
Here is what really drives me crazy:
Albert Haynesworth Stomped on a guys face opening a 30 stitch gash uncomfortably close to his eye and he gets 5 games.
Shaun Merriman gets caught on the juice and he gets 4 games.
Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams' orbital bone and received 0 games from the NFL (1 day from the Raiders)
Rickey Williams gets 16 games (full season) for getting caught smoking pot too many times.
What is the NFL saying with this suspension? What is the message they are sending?
- It's ok to cheat if it sells more tickets and you don't get caught too many times.
- We have only a small issue with players who put their colleagues careers in jeopardy with brutal and obsessive violence on the field.
- We are unwilling to tolerate "thugs" who hang out with the wrong people or get baked after practice.
IMO the NFL's suspension practices are a complete farce. Someone need to get their priorities straight.
Its ridiculous to defend actions like this!
What I understand from the 3 suspensions is that although the NFL does not tolerate any of the actions of the suspended players;
Taking steroids is not as bad as stomping on another players face, and stomping on another palyers face is less than half as bad as being Pacman Jones.
JAA
Footballguy
from league or TB?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
What's self-righteous about any of this? These guys are recidivist lawbreakers who reflect poorly on their employers and the league they represent. Perfectly appropriate reaction, in my opinion, to lay down the hammer on this kind of behavior. That's not being self-righteous--it's just being sensible.
YeahThe players union and a panel of players are all for it. Seems to me like only Henry or Pacman would call it self righteous but otherwise the reaction of players has been extremely favorable today. If the individual player thinks he's more important than the team well ......"Morals clauses" are becoming more and more common in US businesses. This is almost like the NFL's version
J-Rock
Footballguy
Just to be clear, I never said fans would stop watching football bacause of all this. I was responding to this post.Anyways, I'm done for now.Happy posting.
renesauz
IBL Representative
That's my point Chase. All too often celebrities (I'm including movie stars, music stars, etc.) are cut FAR more slack on their behavior then the average JOe simply because they have a rare talent, and make a lot of money for both themselves and their employers. Many of us average Joes RESENT that fact. Most of us would have lost our jobs with half the rap sheet of either of these two thugs, and rightfuly so.I can understand the NFL not wanting to permanently fire them, and it is STILL a double standard that they are still technicaly employed, but the suspension, and the money these players are losing sends a strong, clear message that the NFL, at least, will NOT be as tolerant of ridiculous, damaging, and embarassing behavior of it's employess then the other big money entertainment industries are.Don't you guys get it? THESE GUYS ARE STILL BEING TREATED AS SOMETHING SPECIAL, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE JOBS! Now...how is that even remotely unfair to these players?As far as the Hainesworth incident....I thought that deserved at least a one year suspension. IMHO...he should have been arrested and charged with malicious wounding, as any of us would have been had we done that in a park pick-up game.Romanowski got off a little light, but he lost his temper in practice..hardly unforgiveable.The drug policy is still too leniant.
Billy1x
Footballguy
Per Sirius, Pacman can get re-instated after 10 games if he accomplishes a bunch of requirements meaning he can finish the season and play in the playoffs.Alos, not sure it was mentioned, they said the team has to pay the salary to charity and it counts against the cap.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm simply responding to your point that their employer doesn't want then anymore; that's not the case. The Titans still want Jones. This is a significantly different story (and much more worrisome, IMO) than if the Titans released or suspended Jones.That's my point Chase. All too often celebrities (I'm including movie stars, music stars, etc.) are cut FAR more slack on their behavior then the average JOe simply because they have a rare talent, and make a lot of money for both themselves and their employers. Many of us average Joes RESENT that fact. Most of us would have lost our jobs with half the rap sheet of either of these two thugs, and rightfuly so.I can understand the NFL not wanting to permanently fire them, and it is STILL a double standard that they are still technicaly employed, but the suspension, and the money these players are losing sends a strong, clear message that the NFL, at least, will NOT be as tolerant of ridiculous, damaging, and embarassing behavior of it's employess then the other big money entertainment industries are.Don't you guys get it? THESE GUYS ARE STILL BEING TREATED AS SOMETHING SPECIAL, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE JOBS! Now...how is that even remotely unfair to these players?As far as the Hainesworth incident....I thought that deserved at least a one year suspension. IMHO...he should have been arrested and charged with malicious wounding, as any of us would have been had we done that in a park pick-up game.Romanowski got off a little light, but he lost his temper in practice..hardly unforgiveable.The drug policy is still too leniant.I see you are saying that they have already been hired. I think the point is that in any normal job if a guy keeps getting arrested and has a rap sheet as long as these guys they would be hard pressed to find(keep) a job.If no employer in his right mind would hire Jones or Henry, why does the Commissioner need to suspend them?
enfuego
Footballguy
I do think this issue is worthy of discussion: Why Jones gets 16 vs. Henry's 8? Let's take a look here:
Jones's off-field conduct has included "10 incidents" where he was interviewed by police. According to ESPN, they are (there is only one charge pending) :
Here are the arrests/allegations:
July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested ...and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007...although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges.
Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication...accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.
Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student.
Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones.All in all PacMan's rap record = assault/vandalism, alleged obstruction, spitting x 2, and the alleged Vegas Stripper Rain Man incident...
Chris Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span between December 2005 and June 2006:
Marijuana possession (pleaded guilty)
Carrying a concealed weapon (pleaded guilty)
Providing alcohol to minor females
DUI (charge was reduced to reckless operation in a plea deal).So, when you compare what Jones has done vs Henry's record, does DOUBLE the punishment really wash here?
I dont' think so...
Jones's off-field conduct has included "10 incidents" where he was interviewed by police. According to ESPN, they are (there is only one charge pending) :
Here are the arrests/allegations:
July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested ...and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007...although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges.
Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication...accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.
Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student.
Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones.All in all PacMan's rap record = assault/vandalism, alleged obstruction, spitting x 2, and the alleged Vegas Stripper Rain Man incident...
Chris Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span between December 2005 and June 2006:
Marijuana possession (pleaded guilty)
Carrying a concealed weapon (pleaded guilty)
Providing alcohol to minor females
DUI (charge was reduced to reckless operation in a plea deal).So, when you compare what Jones has done vs Henry's record, does DOUBLE the punishment really wash here?
I dont' think so...
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renesauz
IBL Representative
I agree..sorry if I misread your earlier comment. Were I the Titans, I'd cut him...but I'm not about to judge them too harshly if they take a "wait and see" approach.If I were an owner, I would not be very tolerant of guys who continuously get into trouble. (NOTE the word continuously. A one time incident is a different story.)
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renesauz
IBL Representative
Actually...yes. Henry's violations were primarily against himself...drunk driving, pot, etc. (One charge of providing liquor to a minor...anyone know how old the "minor" was? I mean...16 is a lot different then 20.)Jones' were of a much more serious, VIOLENT type involving other people, a couple of whom WERE SHOT!I do think this issue is worthy of discussion: Why Jones gets 16 vs. Henry's 8? Let's take a look here:
Jones's off-field conduct has included "10 incidents" where he was interviewed by police. According to ESPN, they are (there is only one charge pending) :
Here are the arrests/allegations:
July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested ...and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007...although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges.
Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication...accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.
Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student.
Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones.All in all PacMan's rap record = assault/vandalism, alleged obstruction, spitting x 2, and the alleged Vegas Stripper Rain Man incident...
Chris Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span between December 2005 and June 2006:
Marijuana possession (pleaded guilty)
Carrying a concealed weapon (pleaded guilty)
Providing alcohol to minor females
DUI (charge was reduced to reckless operation in a plea deal).So, when you compare what Jones has done vs Henry's record, does DOUBLE the punishment really wash here?
He's lucky it's only double, IMHO.
buster c
Footballguy
I'm talking about the shock & horror from the FBG's here - a caliber of men who'd never think of driving intoxicated, carrying a weapon, smoking pot, etc..
renesauz
IBL Representative
I appreciate the humor.If it were simply a simple, single DUI, or a bag of weed, they wouldn't have gotten into anything close to this sort of trouble with the commish.kingmalaki
Footballguy
My money is on Brazell (one Z, not two)!!!!
fixing cars
Footballguy
I think that comparing past incidents and what the players received for punishments vs. what happened today is a waste of time. We have a new CBA, and a new commissioner who is looking to establish himself and set a tone. There is a new sherriff in town and he is laying down the law. It will be very interesting to see what happens for future various incidents and the punishments that come out of them.
And for those saying that the punishments are too harsh and/or what these guys did isn't really that bad. Think of it this way. When Jay Leno and other comedians are constantly making jokes about the NFL and particular teams and their problems with the law, you know that the league is going to have to do something to help it's tarnished image.
This is the first step towards taking an aggressive stance to clean up public perception about the NFL.
And for those saying that the punishments are too harsh and/or what these guys did isn't really that bad. Think of it this way. When Jay Leno and other comedians are constantly making jokes about the NFL and particular teams and their problems with the law, you know that the league is going to have to do something to help it's tarnished image.
This is the first step towards taking an aggressive stance to clean up public perception about the NFL.
fixing cars
Footballguy
One other thing. Does anyone know how this affects the teams' cap numbers? Do the teams get cap relief for a suspended player or is this part of their "punishment" also?
You married with a young child?Seems to me like a good percent of the FBG community are while another large percentage is single guys still "partying".Two completely different viewpoints that a few diapers quickly changeI'm talking about the shock & horror from the FBG's here - a caliber of men who'd never think of driving intoxicated, carrying a weapon, smoking pot, etc..
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I saw this blurb "on another network" so to speak . . .
that is in the nfl.com article. nice job Mort.
OK guys, this one's for buster c. Let's have a show of hands from all of those who've been arrested 10 times in the past three years.OK, go . . . Anyone????C'mon, he knows dozens of you are out there.I'm talking about the shock & horror from the FBG's here - a caliber of men who'd never think of driving intoxicated, carrying a weapon, smoking pot, etc..
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
I used to be a huge NBA fan. But to me, the players were getting out of hand and I finally just decided to stop supporting the sport. Haven't watched or attended a game in over 7 years. I think modern athletes tend to think they are above the law, and as a group, I don't have much respect for them. When I was growing up, athletes in general were respected.Bri said:
enfuego
Footballguy
Wow...I don't want this this thread hijacked to a debate on public morality ... but I hardly think DUI is a "crime against himself". Do you really think that?Actually...yes. Henry's violations were primarily against himself...drunk driving, pot, etc. (One charge of providing liquor to a minor...anyone know how old the "minor" was? I mean...16 is a lot different then 20.)Jones' were of a much more serious, VIOLENT type involving other people, a couple of whom WERE SHOT!I do think this issue is worthy of discussion: Why Jones gets 16 vs. Henry's 8? Let's take a look here:
Jones's off-field conduct has included "10 incidents" where he was interviewed by police. According to ESPN, they are (there is only one charge pending) :
Here are the arrests/allegations:
July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested ...and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007...although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges.
Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication...accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.
Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student.
Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones.All in all PacMan's rap record = assault/vandalism, alleged obstruction, spitting x 2, and the alleged Vegas Stripper Rain Man incident...
Chris Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span between December 2005 and June 2006:
Marijuana possession (pleaded guilty)
Carrying a concealed weapon (pleaded guilty)
Providing alcohol to minor females
DUI (charge was reduced to reckless operation in a plea deal).So, when you compare what Jones has done vs Henry's record, does DOUBLE the punishment really wash here?
He's lucky it's only double, IMHO.
The kids that he gave alcohol to were ages 18, 16, and 15...all girls....got any daughters or sisters?
The arrests on Jones were 1) getting into a fight & broke a necklace, 2) spitting, and 3) allegedly being involved the Vegas situation.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I agree completely with the suspension. I also agree with the others that there is no way this is going to be reduced. I don't know what drugs the people are on that actually think the suspension will be reduced. I will bet anyone for any amount of money that these suspensions will stand (assuming we can find an honest 3rd party to hold the money).
Also, I made a poll abou this yesterday but it appears to have ben removed. But it basically just reinforced that the NFL made the right move here.
Also, I made a poll abou this yesterday but it appears to have ben removed. But it basically just reinforced that the NFL made the right move here.
renesauz
IBL Representative
Yes, I have daughters, including a teenage one. I was trying to point out the fact that Henry's crimes are of the non-violent variety. Pac-Mans aren't.Wow...I don't want this this thread hijacked to a debate on public morality ... but I hardly think DUI is a "crime against himself". Do you really think that?Actually...yes. Henry's violations were primarily against himself...drunk driving, pot, etc. (One charge of providing liquor to a minor...anyone know how old the "minor" was? I mean...16 is a lot different then 20.)Jones' were of a much more serious, VIOLENT type involving other people, a couple of whom WERE SHOT!I do think this issue is worthy of discussion: Why Jones gets 16 vs. Henry's 8? Let's take a look here:
Jones's off-field conduct has included "10 incidents" where he was interviewed by police. According to ESPN, they are (there is only one charge pending) :
Here are the arrests/allegations:
July 13, 2005: Two weeks before training camp is scheduled to begin, Jones is arrested by Nashville police at Titans headquarters. He is charged with assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation.
Feb. 6, 2006: Jones is arrested ...and charged with a felony count of obstruction and two misdemeanors of obstructing police. The drug charge is dismissed in January 2007...although his mother Deborah and a friend, Marcus Bowens, are convicted of possession of marijuana. Jones will appear in court later this month to face the obstruction charges.
Aug. 25, 2006: Jones is arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication...accused of assault by Toya Garth, who says Jones spit in her face and she spit back. A judge sentences Jones six months probation provided he stays out of further trouble.
Oct. 26, 2006: Jones is cited for misdemeanor assault at Club Mystic, a Nashville nightclub, where he allegedly spits in the face of a female college student.
Feb. 19, 2007: Jones is present when an early morning brawl breaks out at Minxx Gentlemen's Club in Las Vegas. Three people are shot. Club co-owner Robert Susnar claims the shooter -- still at large -- acted on Jones' behalf. Jones denies this. No charges have been brought against Jones.All in all PacMan's rap record = assault/vandalism, alleged obstruction, spitting x 2, and the alleged Vegas Stripper Rain Man incident...
Chris Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span between December 2005 and June 2006:
Marijuana possession (pleaded guilty)
Carrying a concealed weapon (pleaded guilty)
Providing alcohol to minor females
DUI (charge was reduced to reckless operation in a plea deal).So, when you compare what Jones has done vs Henry's record, does DOUBLE the punishment really wash here?
He's lucky it's only double, IMHO.
The kids that he gave alcohol to were ages 18, 16, and 15...all girls....got any daughters or sisters?
The arrests on Jones were 1) getting into a fight & broke a necklace, 2) spitting, and 3) allegedly being involved the Vegas situation.
I'm afraid I am fairly ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the alcohol to minor charges. If one of my daughters teeange girlfriends stole one of my beers....technically I could be charged with the same thing.
I am, by no means, condoning the actions of either one of these punks.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
OK guys, this one's for buster c. Let's have a show of hands from all of those who've been arrested 10 times in the past three years.OK, go . . . Anyone????C'mon, he knows dozens of you are out there.I'm talking about the shock & horror from the FBG's here - a caliber of men who'd never think of driving intoxicated, carrying a weapon, smoking pot, etc..
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I heard on NFL network Total Access with Deion that there is also a curfew of 1am for Jones and he cannot visit nightclubs. Is this also correct? Anyone comment on this in this thread that I missed?
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
WHo would they appeal to? The commish? Ever heard of a judge overturning his own ruling?
Skinsfansince72
Footballguy
You are absolutely correct. We the public couldn't possibly care less about the off field activities of players. We watch no matter what. For all of the whining that takes place, at the end of the day it's of no concern to us if a player is arrested 20 times. As long as he's able to play and he's out on the field, that's what matters to the public. It's no different than if a movie star gets busted (of course self righteous sports writers and talking heads pretend that it's different but the proof is in the pudding. Check the NFL ratings).
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I believe the appeal would go through Gene Upshaw and the NFLPA (NFL Players Union). The thing is, there's no way that the union or Gene would side with the player. At the annual meeting the commish discussed the matters and said he was going to come down very hard on these guys. The union and Gene are totally behind his decision. So, in my opinion, there is no way these suspensions get reduced.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree.
It would be ruled on by the Commissioner.mightyeskimo said:
