southeastjerome
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Can someone explain to me why fruit is not good for this diet? I know it is allowed, but didn't cavemen eat fruit like bananas and berries?
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Paleo / Primal Blueprint type diets (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Fruit is fine just limit the ones that have more sugar - limiting carbs is the key if losing weight. For maintenance just about any fruit is good IMO.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/best-and-worst-fruits/#axzz2smJgYnLH
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think in one of the books it is stated that there is a lot more sugar in fruit now than their was before.
Yes, our ancestors have been eating fruit since before they were human.
The skinniest people on the internet are the ones who eat nothing but sugary fruit. (I'm not saying that's a good idea, but it won't prevent weight loss.)
People say this, but it's not necessarily true.
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SacramentoBob
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I originally started with 5 sets of 30s on 30s rest at 180 RPM and eventually went to Tabata intervals of 7 sets of 20s on 10s rest at 180 RPM.
culdeus
Footballguy
I feel strongly the first thing people should do is exercise first. Even before diet changes. This isn't backed up with research, however.Sabertooth said:
Resistance/weight training is showing much more long term weight loss retention than other methods. There are a zillion reasons why this is so, but it doesn't mean a 10k isn't a great goal. Best program is what you like and can stick to without getting hurt.
If you lift and get enough protien you will recover fine even in ketosis. You won't bulk much, but that's not really your goal is it?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not yet it isn't. My goal is truly looking good naked at the beach. Stronglifts really didn't change my physique much in three months but maybe I need to have another go at it. Of course with all the fat I am carrying, maybe I just couldn't see it. THe strength gains were there.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Sis son also linked to Denise Mingers blog post busting the myth he also published her book. Mark is pretty good about following new research and acknowledging changes in his thinking. He's not so good at revising old content at his website.
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"The evidence for wild legume consumption by humans is as strong as it is for any plant food consumed during the Paleolithic." -- Stephan Guyenet
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Glad to see I can eat beans again. 
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
If I understand correctly, the scientific consensus has always held that they were good for your heart.Glad to see I can eat beans again.
Keerock
Footballguy
Also known as a fruit. The musical variety.If I understand correctly, the scientific consensus has always held that they were good for your heart.Glad to see I can eat beans again.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Good article here from National Geographic: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/evolution-of-diet/
The more appropriate title would be: low carb beats standard American diet. (I think low-fat diets are misguided, but if you're going to test a low-fat diet, it should actually be low in fat. Most low-fat diets recommend getting around 10%-15% of calories from fat. In that study, the "low fat" diet was 30% fat, which is pretty close to the standard American diet.)
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Mister CIA
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The primal diet extols the benefits of liver, kidneys, brains etc., but it's a pretty safe bet that I will never get past the mental gag-reflex that prevents me from eating the aforementioned. My question for those that know, can I get the same benefits from chicken skin and fish skin? I love skin long time.
Some. One of the problems with eating a lot of muscle meat without also eating the organs, skin, connective tissue, etc., is that you ingest a messed up ratio of amino acids -- too much methionine, not enough glycine, or something. Eating chicken skin and fish skin will help correct that.
But the main benefits of eating liver and other organs is that they're just loaded with a high concentration of vitamins and minerals. Skin, not so much.
If you think liver is gross, you can get capsules.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Might check that out. Thanks
Definitely not a liver lover (just ask my liver). Mom used to make liver and onions for dinner. I loved the smell and sat down to the dinner table with a fairly open mind, but my taste buds had the final say. Is there any hope I could like kidneys? ... Wait, what about hot dogs? Aren't they made from offal and butts?
cosjobs
Footballguy
Pan fry some organic chicken livers to a warm pink center, close your eyes and you'll probably change your mind.
Or you can make it into a mousse, which adds cream, butter, brandy and shallots. Cream, butter, brandy and shallots can make most anything taste good.
A lot of the other organ meats (which you should definitely splurge for grass fed, organic) you can grind oe mince it and make into sausages, meatloaf mix, burgers, stir frys etc. Mix it with some grassfed hamburger or buffalo or elk or venison to dilute the texture and taste until you get used to it. Start out about 80/20 and you won't even notice. Within 10 meals you should be able to do 20/80.
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
This sweet potato breakfast skillet has been a staple at our house on weekends for the past few months. Very tasty.
culdeus
Footballguy
yes.
At some point you just have to ask for sliced pork belly at the meat counter and add salt and pepper when you use it.
I've actually smoked a pork belly myself and it's really good and cheap/easy. Paleo bacon can run upwards of 7 bucks a pound and pork belly is about 3.49/# and can be found as low as 2.50/# when sams has it, it wouldn't be organic, but it isn't cured either.
Rick James
Footballguy
plus, if you purchase pork belly you have the option of making pancetta or smoked bacon. win/win.
cosjobs
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
So I am about 17 days into a 30 day diet program that is very similar to Paleo. I work for a fitness company on the business development side and we have partnered with the folks that write the whole 30 and whole nine materials. Very similar to Paleo plus they still counsel to avoid legumes and dairy for your 30 day metabolic reset.
I am absolutely amazed at how I feel and look after 17 days. I've lost about 9 pounds on the scale but I look about 25 pounds lighter due to the elimination of inflammation in the gut and the lack of water retention in my tissue and muscle. I am also doing a high-intensity strength training program which focuses on heavy weights lifted slowly to failure. Of the 9 pounds that I have lost, I have put on a couple pounds of lean muscle mass so I've probably lost 11 pounds of water weight and body fat.
The hardest thing for me on this nutrition plan is that since I have gone into a mild state of ketosis i'm simply not hungry enough to consume a reasonable amount of calories to even continue my fairly aggressive weight loss. Over the last week eating three times a day including foods that are high in protein and good fats like beef, fish, chicken, turkey, almonds and avocado and olive oil's and coconut, and eating a very generous amount of leafy vegetables and vegetables high in carbohydrates, I have a very hard time eating enough food to even get to 1500 cal per day.
This nutrition plan does allow for mild use of white potato and generous amount of use of sweet potato which I do rely on to try to get some more calories in my body but I don't want to eat several potatoes a day because they do bring a higher carbohydrate load then I'm trying to target.
Has anyone else found that they were having a hard time getting enough calories in there buddy to support normal daily function plus a little bit of exercise or high intensity exertion?
I am absolutely amazed at how I feel and look after 17 days. I've lost about 9 pounds on the scale but I look about 25 pounds lighter due to the elimination of inflammation in the gut and the lack of water retention in my tissue and muscle. I am also doing a high-intensity strength training program which focuses on heavy weights lifted slowly to failure. Of the 9 pounds that I have lost, I have put on a couple pounds of lean muscle mass so I've probably lost 11 pounds of water weight and body fat.
The hardest thing for me on this nutrition plan is that since I have gone into a mild state of ketosis i'm simply not hungry enough to consume a reasonable amount of calories to even continue my fairly aggressive weight loss. Over the last week eating three times a day including foods that are high in protein and good fats like beef, fish, chicken, turkey, almonds and avocado and olive oil's and coconut, and eating a very generous amount of leafy vegetables and vegetables high in carbohydrates, I have a very hard time eating enough food to even get to 1500 cal per day.
This nutrition plan does allow for mild use of white potato and generous amount of use of sweet potato which I do rely on to try to get some more calories in my body but I don't want to eat several potatoes a day because they do bring a higher carbohydrate load then I'm trying to target.
Has anyone else found that they were having a hard time getting enough calories in there buddy to support normal daily function plus a little bit of exercise or high intensity exertion?
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culdeus
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First off, there's simply no way to add more than a pound of muscle a month unless you are on roids or you are 18 years old. So put aside that notion. You can put on a little bit of beginner gains, but these are mostly pump type gains and not real mass.
If eating fewer calories than you are burning you are going to have a tremendously difficult time putting on any lean mass without roids. Especially if low carb.
Most keto dieters don't do high intensity workouts for the reasons you describe. It's too easy to burnout of them. Keto is best suited for doing something plyometric or body weight based/yoga.
Option 2 is to use carb backloading where you try sustain your anabolic state post workout with 90% of your daily carb intake during the 2 hour period post workout. No promises about continued fat loss here though. You can still eat clean carbs during this period. Oats are my favorite.
My process has been a very, very slow uptake. Goal of 1 pound of mass a month while keeping fat % below 15. It's really, really hard.
mr roboto
Footballguy
^^^ fair enough and I haven't tracked body comp/lean muscle mass. Let's take those bad assumptions off the table.
Forget my exercise portion for a second. I still can't seem to eat more than 1,500 cal without gorging on nuts or coconut or high fat snacks. Maybe it's just right now at this stage my appetite isn't there.
Forget my exercise portion for a second. I still can't seem to eat more than 1,500 cal without gorging on nuts or coconut or high fat snacks. Maybe it's just right now at this stage my appetite isn't there.
culdeus
Footballguy
Are you trying to bulk, or cut. If you are cutting then don't worry about it. I have the same issue. I have to damn near force myself to eat and I try to get to 3000 calories a day. I've moved to eating 4 meals and heavy snacks between.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Right now I'm trying to learn to eat better and this 30 day program is designed to reset your metabolism from primarily burning sugars to learning how to live off of proteins and fats in your food and excess fat stores in your body. Our exercise protocol focuses on 30 to 40 minutes of strength training per week with an emphasis on working to failure and very little long duration cardio. When clients come into our personal training studios we encourage them to go on this 30 day metabolic reset and we do work with them to continue strength training during that time. I am younger and stronger then our average client so my ability to exert and fatigue is higher than most of our clients. I've spoken to a number of our trainers and they have told me that clients notice the difficulty eating enough calories around weeks 2 to 4 of this diet.I would be more than willing to continue a calorie deficit and remove the strength training while I cut some body fat. I started out at 6 foot weighing 218 pounds and with my body composition I would look best in function best at around 190 pounds. I either need to force myself to eat more and snack on higher fat foods or focus on eating until I'm full which may continue a caloric deficit and simply remove the strength training until I can add back some carbs and dairy to supplement my caloric intake.
culdeus
Footballguy
Then checkout leangains forums. They have ideas that can fit your lifestyle. It doesn't sound like you'd have any issue with intermittent fasting.
You can also get these. They taste good. They don't have a lot of liver (they are 35% organ meats, including liver), but you don't need a lot.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Here's a great easy to read article that talks about fat loss, working out during caloric deficit and explaining the potential negative metabolic adaptations of steady state long duration exercise combined with low cal low protein diet. (This is not my company so no shameless plug).
http://www.muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
http://www.muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
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John Bender
Footballguy
To me, one of the biggest benefits to these types of diets (Paleo, Low Carb, etc) is how you wind up feeling...
Usually 4-5 weeks into Low Carb I start: sleeping better (and needing less sleep), feeling less tired throughout the day, stop snoring, skin clears up (dry skin and acne seem to just disappear), less issues with digestive system, among other things.
I'd be interested to see if you wind up noticing similar.
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
When I process my own deer, I save the heart, liver, and kidneys when field dressing then add the liver and kidneys when I do my ground meat. I then benefit nutritionally without the lousy taste
Steeler
Footballguy
I've started a 30 day primal challenge, but my wife is against the idea of primal eating (she hates meat -- go ahead with the jokes). Our cabinets are full of granola bars, cereal, pasta, canned crap, etc. but I've been able to ignore all that during the challenge. Also, she doesn't really cook anything from scratch, everything is frozen or from a can.
So I found some paleo/primal recipes and I've just started making dinner myself. She's on board with organic vegetables, fruits, and nuts... but we haven't gone to any of the "high-end" beef, chicken, pork, fish or eggs. We've used egg land's best eggs for a while now, always have used Purdue chicken... but we've never used grass-fed beef or Alaskan salmon or whatever.
My typical diet on this challenge has gone something like this:
Breakfast: some kind of eggs, bacon or sausage, vegetables if I have an omelete and sometimes a whole avocado -- sometimes I get breakfast at my work cafeteria
Lunch: I typically get something from the cafeteria at my work: beef, chicken, fish plus I load up on whatever vegetables are available -- weekends are usually leftovers from Dinner
Dinner: Some Paleo recipe, mostly a crock pot type dinner so there are some leftovers. -- usually some type of meat and vegetables, or a big salad
Snacks are mostly nuts - almonds, cashews, whatever (but not peanuts)
I'm also having a hard time eating "enough" calories but I don't really feel hungry either. The couple times I checked my intake I was at around 60/30/10 -- protein/fat/carbs... probably should be more fat and less protein, right?
Workouts are mostly body weight exercises plus some dumbbell work -- nothing too advanced. Also a lot of low level activity like walking and some sprints thrown in.
I guess I rambled on a bit there... anyway, since I'm not really fully paleo (eating at work means I don't know how they cooked it and they certainly aren't serving the highest quality foods, not eating any of the organ meats, etc.)... is it worthwhile to go only half way? I think this is clearly better that eating a Bagel and creme cheese for bfast, a sandwich/burger/etc with fries for lunch, and then a frozen pizza or pasta with jarred sauce for dinner. But is this "good enough"? Or, what should I do to continue moving toward Paleo/Primal eating?
So I found some paleo/primal recipes and I've just started making dinner myself. She's on board with organic vegetables, fruits, and nuts... but we haven't gone to any of the "high-end" beef, chicken, pork, fish or eggs. We've used egg land's best eggs for a while now, always have used Purdue chicken... but we've never used grass-fed beef or Alaskan salmon or whatever.
My typical diet on this challenge has gone something like this:
Breakfast: some kind of eggs, bacon or sausage, vegetables if I have an omelete and sometimes a whole avocado -- sometimes I get breakfast at my work cafeteria
Lunch: I typically get something from the cafeteria at my work: beef, chicken, fish plus I load up on whatever vegetables are available -- weekends are usually leftovers from Dinner
Dinner: Some Paleo recipe, mostly a crock pot type dinner so there are some leftovers. -- usually some type of meat and vegetables, or a big salad
Snacks are mostly nuts - almonds, cashews, whatever (but not peanuts)
I'm also having a hard time eating "enough" calories but I don't really feel hungry either. The couple times I checked my intake I was at around 60/30/10 -- protein/fat/carbs... probably should be more fat and less protein, right?
Workouts are mostly body weight exercises plus some dumbbell work -- nothing too advanced. Also a lot of low level activity like walking and some sprints thrown in.
I guess I rambled on a bit there... anyway, since I'm not really fully paleo (eating at work means I don't know how they cooked it and they certainly aren't serving the highest quality foods, not eating any of the organ meats, etc.)... is it worthwhile to go only half way? I think this is clearly better that eating a Bagel and creme cheese for bfast, a sandwich/burger/etc with fries for lunch, and then a frozen pizza or pasta with jarred sauce for dinner. But is this "good enough"? Or, what should I do to continue moving toward Paleo/Primal eating?
glvsav37
Footballguy
I eat pretty much all paleo since last year. Love the way I feel on it when I am strict.
Like Steeler said, lunches are tough. For my lunches, I subscribe to this service. They deliver to my crossfit gym (on Long Island) 2x a week and the meals are awesome. There is a fridge in gym and I go in a pick them up after my workout. You could check with your local crossfit place and see if they know of any similar services. I guess you don't need to be a member of the gym b/c it is a whole separate service.
100%, I say that there is no way I would have been so successful on this diet if I didnt have these. Lunch is so hard with trying to get 2 kids out the door in the am for school, that I never prepared anything for myself.
GL Fellas!
Like Steeler said, lunches are tough. For my lunches, I subscribe to this service. They deliver to my crossfit gym (on Long Island) 2x a week and the meals are awesome. There is a fridge in gym and I go in a pick them up after my workout. You could check with your local crossfit place and see if they know of any similar services. I guess you don't need to be a member of the gym b/c it is a whole separate service.
100%, I say that there is no way I would have been so successful on this diet if I didnt have these. Lunch is so hard with trying to get 2 kids out the door in the am for school, that I never prepared anything for myself.
GL Fellas!
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John Bender
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glvsav37
Footballguy
they are...honestly I love foods now that i would never have had made at home. Brussels Sprouts?? Really? love them! Butternut Squash? yep. My wife looks at me when i come home from the grocery store like "WTF is this thing?" lol
Ned
Footballguy
Statcruncher
Footballguy
This is simply wrong. I'm not saying all people can add >1lb muscle per month like clockwork forever, but to suggest that only roiders and 18y/o's can do it is ridiculous. And just about anyone can beat that rate when regaining lost muscle.
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JetMaxx
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Wife has an awesome recipe with butternut squash, maple syrup, fresh garlic and EVO, baked until done then mashed. Healthy, simple and fantastic
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