Paleo / Primal Blueprint type diets (2 Viewers)

[Scrooloose]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

I'll just follow you into the young earth creationist thread, as you clearly don't value science at all

I do value science and try to keep up with it but with conflicting research results, what do you believe?All I can do is try various plans and stick with what works.I basically eat everything in moderation (with an emphasis on whole grain, beans and supplements), excercise and sleep well. I am 6'2" 180.BTW, I am far from a creationist.

 

[Rick James]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

who's advocating for the atkins diet in this thread?

 

[Scrooloose]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

who's advocating for the atkins diet in this thread?

The whole anti-grain crowd is atkinish.

 

[Scrooloose]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

I'll just follow you into the young earth creationist thread, as you clearly don't value science at all

I do value science and try to keep up with it but with conflicting research results, what do you believe?All I can do is try various plans and stick with what works.I basically eat everything in moderation (with an emphasis on whole grain, beans and supplements), excercise and sleep well. I am 6'2" 180.BTW, I am far from a creationist.

I believe a lot of what Maurile posted. I'm not even a paleo guy - I'll happily eat brown rice, lentils, quinoa, and beans, but I do very much appreciate the whole food part of the paleo diet.

Lets just say I do too, with modification

 

[GreatLakesMike]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

who's advocating for the atkins diet in this thread?

The whole anti-grain crowd is atkinish.

I think you need to do a bit of research and understand the difference between the Atkins diet and the Paleo diet. Atkins restricts carbs, Paleo doesn't.I'm not a guy who buys into fad diets and I understand that nutrition is not an exact science. That said, I think the Paleo has separated itself from fad diets. There is a lot of history and research behind their results and conclusions. The Paleo diet seems more like a study to me, which makes me feel a bit safe trying it. I'm not trying to drop 20 lbs in a month. I'm trying to fix my diet. The way I look at it, read as much as you can and try and find what works for you. I haven't followed the Paleo diet to a T, but I'm gradually implementing their suggestions. My primary change was eliminating grains except for a nice weekend Italian dish (pizza, pasta, etc.). The weight has been dropping off and I feel good. I'm losing a pound or two a week. That's healthy.Do whatever works for you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Statcruncher]

I am 6'2" 180.

Alright, I gotta admit my views are wrong, this guy clearly has the correct answers.

 

[culdeus]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

who's advocating for the atkins diet in this thread?

The whole anti-grain crowd is atkinish.

I think you need to do a bit of research and understand the difference between the Atkins diet and the Paleo diet. Atkins restricts carbs, Paleo doesn't.

Your definition of restricts needs some broadening.

 

[Scrooloose]

you people are delusional. Go ahead and follow atkins and RIP

who's advocating for the atkins diet in this thread?

The whole anti-grain crowd is atkinish.

I think you need to do a bit of research and understand the difference between the Atkins diet and the Paleo diet. Atkins restricts carbs, Paleo doesn't.I'm not a guy who buys into fad diets and I understand that nutrition is not an exact science. That said, I think the Paleo has separated itself from fad diets. There is a lot of history and research behind their results and conclusions. The Paleo diet seems more like a study to me, which makes me feel a bit safe trying it. I'm not trying to drop 20 lbs in a month. I'm trying to fix my diet. The way I look at it, read as much as you can and try and find what works for you. I haven't followed the Paleo diet to a T, but I'm gradually implementing their suggestions. My primary change was eliminating grains except for a nice weekend Italian dish (pizza, pasta, etc.). The weight has been dropping off and I feel good. I'm losing a pound or two a week. That's healthy.Do whatever works for you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Agreed and I have read some stuff on the paleo and it makes sense. The problem is, I have been doing it a differnet way for 2 years and feel great. So I may try to incorporate some paleo like eggs and butter. I also like the idea of shorter cardio sessions

 

[moleculo]

I've been doing a paleo-inspired diet and have lost 15 lbs over the last three months...except my 15 pounds is off of a much smaller frame than a lot of others here. I went from 159 to 144 (on a 5'5" frame), and feel great. I'm 37 years old and am now within 5 lbs of what I weighed when I graduated college.

My diet is essentially a restriction on grains, potatoes, dairy, vegetable oils, and sugar as much as possible. Everything else is fair game, and I'm not counting calories or watching portion size, yet continue to loose weight. I grew up eating cereal for breakfast every day - now, it's bacon, eggs, and a glass of OJ. Lunch used to be a sandwich and a bag of chips from a deli, now it's mostly salads. My favorite dinner always has been a cheeseburger and fries - now, it's a cheeseburger (no bun) and sweet potato fries. for snacks, I eat a lot of fruit and nuts now instead of chips. I've completely cut out soft drinks, but I do continue to drink as much beer as I want to.

note - I said restrict, not eliminate. I will cheat. I might have a bowl of cereal once every couple of weeks. Maybe once a week, i'll eat a sandwich with bread. I will eat a bag of chips every now and then. I'll have some candy once or twice a week - I've got a terrible sweet tooth and can't really resist an occasional candy bar.

To be honest, I don't miss the old foods. I do miss the convenience though, cereal is much easier to make in the AM than bacon and eggs. It's hard to eat a salad while driving. Eating healthy isn't as easy, but to me it is just as fulfilling.

My diet isn't nearly as strict as some of the paleo types propose, but it works for me. IMO, to do this, you don't have to jump in 100%, if you go in 75% or 50%, you can still see significant results without really sacrificing the foods you are accustomed to.

 

[Random]

I've been doing a paleo-inspired diet and have lost 15 lbs over the last three months...except my 15 pounds is off of a much smaller frame than a lot of others here. I went from 159 to 144 (on a 5'5" frame), and feel great. I'm 37 years old and am now within 5 lbs of what I weighed when I graduated college.

My diet is essentially a restriction on grains, potatoes, dairy, vegetable oils, and sugar as much as possible. Everything else is fair game, and I'm not counting calories or watching portion size, yet continue to loose weight. I grew up eating cereal for breakfast every day - now, it's bacon, eggs, and a glass of OJ. Lunch used to be a sandwich and a bag of chips from a deli, now it's mostly salads. My favorite dinner always has been a cheeseburger and fries - now, it's a cheeseburger (no bun) and sweet potato fries. for snacks, I eat a lot of fruit and nuts now instead of chips. I've completely cut out soft drinks, but I do continue to drink as much beer as I want to.

note - I said restrict, not eliminate. I will cheat. I might have a bowl of cereal once every couple of weeks. Maybe once a week, i'll eat a sandwich with bread. I will eat a bag of chips every now and then. I'll have some candy once or twice a week - I've got a terrible sweet tooth and can't really resist an occasional candy bar.

To be honest, I don't miss the old foods. I do miss the convenience though, cereal is much easier to make in the AM than bacon and eggs. It's hard to eat a salad while driving. Eating healthy isn't as easy, but to me it is just as fulfilling.

My diet isn't nearly as strict as some of the paleo types propose, but it works for me. IMO, to do this, you don't have to jump in 100%, if you go in 75% or 50%, you can still see significant results without really sacrificing the foods you are accustomed to.

Holy crap, I could have wrote that. Here's mine:I've been doing a paleo-inspired diet and lost 20 lbs over three months (note - i've been doing this for about a year)...except my 20 pounds is off of a much smaller frame than a lot of others here. I went from 155 to 135 (on a 5'9" frame, however I purposely put back on 10 lbs so I'm about 145), and feel great. I'm 37 years old and am now in much better shape than when I graduated college.

My diet is essentially a restriction on grains, potatoes, dairy, vegetable oils, and sugar as much as possible. Everything else is fair game, and I'm not counting calories or watching portion size. I grew up eating cereal for breakfast every day - now, it's bacon, eggs, and a glass of OJ (weekends) and yogurt and berries with coffee (weekdays). Lunch used to be a sandwich and a bag of chips from a deli, now it's mostly salads. My favorite dinner always has been a cheeseburger and fries - now, it's meat/fish and veggies. for snacks, I eat a lot of fruit and nuts now instead of chips. I've completely cut out soft drinks, but I do continue to drink as much beer as I want to.

note - I said restrict, not eliminate. I will cheat. I might have a bowl of cereal once every couple of months (lost the urge for this). Maybe once a month, i'll eat a sandwich with bread. I will eat a bag of chips every now and then. I'll have some candy once or twice a month - I've got a terrible sweet tooth and really enjoy dark chocolate (70%+). Occasionally go out for milkshakes with the family.

To be honest, I don't miss the old foods. I do miss the convenience though, cereal is much easier to make in the AM than bacon and eggs. It's hard to eat a salad while driving. Eating healthy isn't as easy, but to me it is just as fulfilling.

My diet isn't nearly as strict as some of the paleo types propose, but it works for me. IMO, to do this, you don't have to jump in 100%, if you go in 75% or 50%, you can still see significant results without really sacrificing the foods you are accustomed to.

ETA: I do eat quite a bit of quinoa.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Agreed and I have read some stuff on the paleo and it makes sense. The problem is, I have been doing it a differnet way for 2 years and feel great. So I may try to incorporate some paleo like eggs and butter. I also like the idea of shorter cardio sessions

I don't think it's a problem that you feel great. The paleo diet works for a lot of people, but it's not the only diet that works. It's overly restrictive for people who tolerate grains, dairy, and legumes well. But being overly restrictive might be why it works well for many people. First, it's a godsend for people who really don't tolerate grains well (but hadn't realized it). And second, psychologically, I think compliance is made easier for many people if certain foods are taboo. "Everything in moderation" makes it easy to rationalize a cheat at any given time, which for some people means that the "moderation" part is dead-on-arrival. By making all grains off limits, period, there's no way to rationalize eating a Ding-Dong. People may still cheat, but without being able to rationalize it so easily, it should happen less often.

Finally, if you look at the foods that really wreck a lot of people's diets by causing them to binge — donuts, Doritos, Oreos, etc. — most of them are highly-processed combinations of vegetable oil, wheat flour, and added sugar and/or salt. Paleo seeks to avoid all of those except for salt (unless you follow Loren Cordain, whose plan does restrict salt). So while avoiding all forms of wheat flour, including all bread and pasta, may be overkill for some people, it has the benefit of making the worst junk foods taboo, and therefore aiding compliance when it comes to avoiding the worst-offending diet-wreckers. (With any diet, compliance is obviously the key.)

In any case, for people who tolerate grains well and don't struggle with compliance in avoiding junk food, I don't think breakfast cereals or bran muffins will prevent them from being healthy or feeling great.

I think a decent overarching principle is: if you want to eat healthy, find a culture renowned for the health of its people and emulate their diet.

Our paleolithic ancestors were quite healthy compared to their neolithic descendants, so the paleo diet is one example of that principle in action; but it's not the only example. To pick a highly contrasting dietary tradition, the Swiss mountaineers of a century ago were famous for their hartiness and health, and they subsisted mainly on rye and dairy, both of which are excluded from a true paleo diet.

In other words, I think it's hard to go wrong with a paleo diet; but it's also hard to go wrong with a traditional Swiss diet, a traditional Okinawan diet, a traditional Mediterranean diet, a traditional Inuit diet, etc., etc., etc. All such diets have certain features in common, however, such as eschewing modern American junk food.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

In other words, I think it's hard to go wrong with a paleo diet; but it's also hard to go wrong with a traditional Swiss diet, a traditional Okinawan diet, a traditional Mediterranean diet, a traditional Inuit diet, etc., etc., etc. All such diets share certain features in common, however, such as eschewing modern American junk food.

Has anybody that you know of done a study on what these diets have in common?

The one I know of is Weston A. Price, who reported his conclusions in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. He traveled the world looking for very healthy cultures, he analyzed their diets, and found that they had certain features in common.For one thing, they were all much higher in vitamins A, D, E, and K than the modern American diet. All contained at least some animal foods. All contained at least some raw foods. Many contained at least some fermented foods. I'd have to crack open the book to remember the rest.

 

[Scrooloose]

I am 6'2" 180.

Alright, I gotta admit my views are wrong, this guy clearly has the correct answers.

177 yesterday, eating a slab of charred carne today ETA: getting my carbs from a fermented hop/barley mixture.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

In other words, I think it's hard to go wrong with a paleo diet; but it's also hard to go wrong with a traditional Swiss diet, a traditional Okinawan diet, a traditional Mediterranean diet, a traditional Inuit diet, etc., etc., etc. All such diets share certain features in common, however, such as eschewing modern American junk food.

Has anybody that you know of done a study on what these diets have in common?

The one I know of is Weston A. Price, who reported his conclusions in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. He traveled the world looking for very healthy cultures, he analyzed their diets, and found that they had certain features in common.For one thing, they were all much higher in vitamins A, D, E, and K than the modern American diet. All contained at least some animal foods. All contained at least some raw foods. Many contained at least some fermented foods. I'd have to crack open the book to remember the rest.

Thanks. Just placed a hold on it at my local library.

The pictures are fun, but on the whole it's a dry read. Great info, but dry.Note that he was writing before vitamin K was well known. He found a nutrient that he concluded was important for the health of bones and teeth and called it "Activator X." It was later determined that what Dr. Price called Activator X was in fact vitamin K.

 

[Scrooloose]

I don't think it's a problem that you feel great.

I am what I consider in good shape but the defined abs have eluded me. I wonder if it is wheat belly? That would really piss me off I am gonna try a modified version of this diet. What do you think about supplements like coq10, etc.?Sorry if this topic was dicussed, didnt read entire thread.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I am gonna try a modified version of this diet. What do you think about supplements like coq10, etc.?

CoQ10 is an important nutrient. It's really expensive as a supplement, though. A few bites of organ meats (especially heart, kidney, or liver) every so often would have you covered in the CoQ10 department. In fact, that would have you covered for almost every vitamin and mineral. There's a good list of food-sources of vitamins and minerals here.I think supplements can be great, but they can get pretty expensive if you take a lot of them. (And some of the most reasonably priced ones are some of the best, IMO: liver, cinnamon, cayenne, curcumin...)

 

[SacramentoBob]

The thought of eating liver or any organ meat makes :X .

 

[Scrooloose]

The thought of eating liver or any organ meat makes :X .

You took the words right outta my head

 

[Scrooloose]

I am gonna try a modified version of this diet. What do you think about supplements like coq10, etc.?

CoQ10 is an important nutrient. It's really expensive as a supplement, though. A few bites of organ meats (especially heart, kidney, or liver) every so often would have you covered in the CoQ10 department. In fact, that would have you covered for almost every vitamin and mineral. There's a good list of food-sources of vitamins and minerals here.I think supplements can be great, but they can get pretty expensive if you take a lot of them. (And some of the most reasonably priced ones are some of the best, IMO: liver, cinnamon, cayenne, curcumin...)

Thanks, should be very helpful but I see some anti-paleo stuff like peanuts, beans, seeds

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Agreed and I have read some stuff on the paleo and it makes sense. The problem is, I have been doing it a differnet way for 2 years and feel great. So I may try to incorporate some paleo like eggs and butter. I also like the idea of shorter cardio sessions

I don't think it's a problem that you feel great. The paleo diet works for a lot of people, but it's not the only diet that works. It's overly restrictive for people who tolerate grains, dairy, and legumes well. But being overly restrictive might be why it works well for many people. First, it's a godsend for people who really don't tolerate grains well (but hadn't realized it).

Maurile, just wanted to say thanks. You do help, big time. I never realized it until I tried Paleo, but I do not tolerate grains well. I love Italian dishes, mac & cheese, some biscuits for breakfast, etc... But when I eat those foods, they tend to stay in my stomach and I gain weight. Now, I kill any vegetable, almonds, walnuts, etc. and I'm slowly incorporating fruit into my diet. It works for me and this is what I've been saying, don't go gung ho into any diet plan. Find what works for you. Btw, my mom and I hunted mushrooms and walnuts when I was a kid. It's come full circle again. Actually, you don't really hunt walnuts... they are in the Walnut tree... not real complicated. Mushrooms, you hunt. Blah, blah, blah...

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Tomorrow will be a nice day.

I'm going to marinate (locally made Italian dressing) and grill locally produced chicken breasts and then cook around 2/3 quarts of half runner green beans. Will saute home grown onions and peppers for whomever wants them. Going to throw in a mediterranean salad with home grown tomatoes.

Little sun tea in the mix... good stuff and we'll all eat well.

Not trying to overemphasize the "local" aspect, but the "businesses" are pretty legit.

ETA: I know chicken is not thought of real well with the Paleo.... baby steps.

 

[Scrooloose]

Here is another question that may have been covered:

Its seems to me that most of, if not all the meat eaten by primal man was raw and found on carcasses left by other predators.

They couldnt have killed much big game with the weapons of their day so they must have eaten more plants/fruits and insects than meat.

So how do you simulate that?

 

[Vrana]

One theory on how they had a steady supply of meat is persistence hunting.

 

[Scrooloose]

One theory on how they had a steady supply of meat is persistence hunting.

ok, and game may have been more plentiful back then. That would also make long cardio a must though.I can imagine also that there were periods of time with no food. Do you guys fast?

 

[AAABatteries]

Zen Macrobiotics for Americans

Basically it says the Japenese Okinawins are the healthiest people on earth because of their diets.

I lost 55 pounds on this lifestyle change.

I'm much too lazy and don't really have the time or the brain to be an expert in this stuff but I did skim this and it seems like on several main points this is the exact oppostie of Paleo. In particular on wheat, meat and eggs. I've started Paleo a couple weeks back and doing well so far. I plan to stick with it for a while and see what results I get (I needed to lose ~60 lbs)

 

[AAABatteries]

Ok, so a few questions:

1. Exercise - I'm swimming pretty much daily and then throw some walks in too. Swimming is .5 a mile to a 1 mile each day at a somewhat slow pace (I'm not a very good technical swimmer). I mainly do swimming because I enjoy it but also it's very easy on my knees/ankles versus jogging/running Question is do I need to change what I'm doing in any way to take this in to account?

2. Drinks - I've been exclusively water except for a couple of glasses of Dasani Sensations (basically flavored water but I'm sure some added chemicals). I don't like coffee so I won't be drinking that. Seems like my only other option is tea (I'm trying to cut out dairy for now). So, my question is - are all teas ok, does it need to be decafeinnated? Are there any sweetners (I've seen MT talk about honey) that I can use and still be "strict" or are all sweetners somewhat cheating? I'm fine with just straight water but also wouldn't mind a little variety.

3. Salad Dressing - exactly how bad are store bought dressings? I love salads so I can do a BAS but don't want to sabotage myself with the dressing. I saw a few folks mention making it at home and I'll check in to that but wanted to see if it's an absolute must or just the "next level".

In general doing this diet is a dramatic change in my diet. I was a horrible eater - I averaged fast food probably once a day, drank a lot of soda - eating out all the time. I feel (or felt) tired and sluggish ALL the time. I wasn't sleeping well and had to pee 2-3 times a night.

 

[Scrooloose]

Zen Macrobiotics for Americans

Basically it says the Japenese Okinawins are the healthiest people on earth because of their diets.

I lost 55 pounds on this lifestyle change.

I'm much too lazy and don't really have the time or the brain to be an expert in this stuff but I did skim this and it seems like on several main points this is the exact oppostie of Paleo. In particular on wheat, meat and eggs. I've started Paleo a couple weeks back and doing well so far. I plan to stick with it for a while and see what results I get (I needed to lose ~60 lbs)

This is the diet I lost 55 lbs with (I was 216 and went to 161) in about 6 months. It was too much so I started eating more meat and dairy and went to 185 which I maintained for a year now. After reading about Paleo, I stopped eating bread and dairy (again) and lost 5 pounds in a week. I also increased the intensity of my workouts and I weighed in today at 172.So since I dont want to lose any more weight, I need to increase my calorie intake with more meat and maybe some cornbread. It looks like I will end up with a hybrid of the two.

BTW, swimming is still the best exercise, IMO. ETA: I dring only water and Green Tea and some herbal teas from YOGI.

 

[mr roboto]

The goal of exercise should be to sufficiently stress and work the muscles to produce an adaptation both in the strength of the muscles as well as the metabolic systems within the body. Exercise is not primarily about calories burned during exercise.

 

[Jayded]

We find that it works for us, but we aren't especially strict on the diet whatsoever. More than anything, joining CrossFit and having them push the diet just raises my awareness of what I actually am eating. We don't keep breads in the house, but if I go out for lunch with coworkers, I don't always specifically avoid it. But limiting my exposure to processed foods and grains did help me lose some weight and make me feel better overall.

I think the full blown paleo diet is too restrictive to be maintained long term for most people because they don't make the change as a lifestyle, but as a "diet" that they think will help them drop a ton of pounds, only to find when they go back to their typical diet that they gain it all back. As anything, eating in moderation and finding a "diet" that matches your lifestyle along with proper exercise will lead you to success.

 

[cosjobs]

I've been doing this a couple of months now and I'm down abut 25#. There was a q about fasting. I do a lot of what the Bulletproof Exec calls "Intermittent Fasting" where I have nothing but coffee and cream until mid afternoon, then only eat in the following six hours. The BE also mixes butter in his coffee and I do not care for that, but I do put a healthy dose of heavy cream in each cup.

Another thing that has helped- when I fall off the diet, I try and never do it more than an hour. THat was some sort of Atkins type diet I tried long long ago. It seems if you contain the bad eating within a one hour period, its not nearly so detrimental and cheating just a little bit throughout the day.

Another thing that really helps is when i cook vegetables, I cook a LOT. Two heads of cabbage or 5# of green beans, or five # of turnip greens or whatever. Then I store them if the fridge so that for most meals I only need to cook a protein and just heat up some of the veggies to serve with it.

Have foods that you need to keep on the diet. IMO potatoes, corn and rice are all tons better to cheat with than breads and cakes. So I will have small portions of these a few times a week. IT really helps keep the cravings down by doing this. A couple of crispy tacos or enchiladas a few times a week is not that many carbs and they are from corn.

I am more interested in a lifestyle I do not mind living, than a diet.

As far as booze, dry wine or whiskey/vodka and soda I drink on a regular basis.

For salad dressing - vinegar and evoo with some herbs is very good. For creamy dressings I use a base of half full fat organic buttermilk and half home made mayo. I usu crumble up some feta in that with lots of black pepper (blue cheese works best, but even tho i do not restrict dairy, I think feta is better for me than blue. You can also put parmasean, cucumbers or about anything in that bmilk/mayo base and its delicious and completely abstinent on the paleo plan (if you accept dairy).

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Here is another question that may have been covered:

Its seems to me that most of, if not all the meat eaten by primal man was raw and found on carcasses left by other predators.

They couldnt have killed much big game with the weapons of their day so they must have eaten more plants/fruits and insects than meat.

So how do you simulate that?

Our ancestors have been cooking some portion of their meat for at least a few hundred thousand years, and possibly as long as 1.8 million years. At least one anthropologist has argued that cooking, more than anything else, is what drove the evolutionary changes that made us human (larger brain, smaller gut).We Americans tend to think that eating insects is disgusting, but they are a dietary staple in many parts of the world. Check out girlmeetsbug for serving suggestions.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Have foods that you need to keep on the diet. IMO potatoes, corn and rice are all tons better to cheat with than breads and cakes.

Potatoes should not be considered a cheat on the paleo diet. Potatoes are about as paleo as beef is.Corn and rice are grains, so they're not true paleo foods, but they seem like sensible cheats. White rice seems perfectly harmless, and corn eaten occasionally as a whole food (instead of as Doritos) is probably fine as well.

 

[AAABatteries]

I've been making my own salad dressing. Olive oil soaked in lots of rosemary and garlic mixed with mustard and orange muscat vinegar from trader Joe's. It's pretty outstanding.

Proninja - This sounds good - mind sharing the full recipe? I'm not a cook so I need some help.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I've been making my own salad dressing. Olive oil soaked in lots of rosemary and garlic mixed with mustard and orange muscat vinegar from trader Joe's. It's pretty outstanding.

Proninja - This sounds good - mind sharing the full recipe? I'm not a cook so I need some help.

I had a salad from Wendy's tonight and I went through all the dressings I had in my kitchen and rejected them all because of sugar or vegetable oils.

 

[SacramentoBob]

then put some jack daniel's mustard in.

Dijon or Old No. 7?

 

[Controller]

 

[Scrooloose]

that Cavemen that drank milk survived longer

 

[Voice Of Reason]

TheMy goal of exercise should beis to sufficiently stress and work the muscles to produce an adaptation both in the strength of the muscles as well as the metabolic systems within the body. My Exercise is not primarily about calories burned during exercise.

fyp

 

[Random]

I've been making my own salad dressing. Olive oil soaked in lots of rosemary and garlic mixed with mustard and orange muscat vinegar from trader Joe's. It's pretty outstanding.

Proninja - This sounds good - mind sharing the full recipe? I'm not a cook so I need some help.

That's the recipe. I use costco's organic olive oil, and I threw a bunch of rosemary in the old bottle when I got a new bottle and filled the old bottle half up. I pour that about halfway up an old salad dressing container (we save old containers, they're remarkably useful), chop up about 8 cloves of garlic finely, then fill up to the 3/4 mark with this from trader joe's, then put some jack daniel's mustard in. Shake it all up, and the longer it sits the better it gets. It'll come out of the freezer hard, but if you bring it out in advance it's no big deal. I don't use a recipe or measurements, just throw in what I have. I've made it with red wine vinegar, without mustard when I was out, and without garlic when I was out. It's not as good with those substitutions, but still works fine. It's hard to screw salad dressing up if you're putting in things that all taste good.

fantastic dressing. Just curious, equal parts mustard, olive oil, and vinegar?

 

[Balco]

Need to get a couple books for my kindle. What are some good paleo books? I am a novice, starting paleo after my vacation next week. I need a book that goes into detail about what foods to eat/ignore. Thanks.

 

[Balco]

Need to get a couple books for my kindle. What are some good paleo books? I am a novice, starting paleo after my vacation next week. I need a book that goes into detail about what foods to eat/ignore. Thanks.

Just eat meat, fruit, vegetables, and nuts/book

I am starting to read through this thread and find it very informative. But I have been reading there are some fruits to avois and some vegetables to avoid? A book that goes into these topics would be helpful.

 

[-jb-]

Need to get a couple books for my kindle. What are some good paleo books? I am a novice, starting paleo after my vacation next week. I need a book that goes into detail about what foods to eat/ignore. Thanks.

Just eat meat, fruit, vegetables, and nuts/book

I am starting to read through this thread and find it very informative. But I have been reading there are some fruits to avois and some vegetables to avoid? A book that goes into these topics would be helpful.

The Primal Blueprint by Mark SissonThe Paleo Solution by Robb WolfBoth guys have their own websites, and each have slight variations in philosophy.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The best paleo book, IMO, is Perfect Health Diet, by Jaminet.

 

[Balco]

Need to get a couple books for my kindle. What are some good paleo books? I am a novice, starting paleo after my vacation next week. I need a book that goes into detail about what foods to eat/ignore. Thanks.

Just eat meat, fruit, vegetables, and nuts/book

I am starting to read through this thread and find it very informative. But I have been reading there are some fruits to avois and some vegetables to avoid? A book that goes into these topics would be helpful.

The Primal Blueprint by Mark SissonThe Paleo Solution by Robb WolfBoth guys have their own websites, and each have slight variations in philosophy.

Cool. Thanks.

 

[Balco]

The best paleo book, IMO, is Perfect Health Diet, by Jaminet.

Thanks, I will check it out.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I am starting to read through this thread and find it very informative. But I have been reading there are some fruits to avois and some vegetables to avoid? A book that goes into these topics would be helpful.

I can't think of any fruits or vegetables that should be avoided. Some things that people think of as vegetables, like corn or soy, are not really paleo. But they're not really vegetables, either.Which reminds me of another book I really like, although it's not explicitly paleo. The 100 Healthiest Foods On Earth (or something close to that), by Johnny Bowden.

 

[-jb-]

I am starting to read through this thread and find it very informative. But I have been reading there are some fruits to avois and some vegetables to avoid? A book that goes into these topics would be helpful.

I can't think of any fruits or vegetables that should be avoided. Some things that people think of as vegetables, like corn or soy, are not really paleo. But they're not really vegetables, either.Which reminds me of another book I really like, although it's not explicitly paleo. The 100 Healthiest Foods On Earth (or something close to that), by Johnny Bowden.

He might have seen something on nightshades.

 

[Maelstrom]

An update, since starting a modified paleo diet aboit a month ago, I have lost almost 20 lbs. Modified for me means I am eating/drinking dairy, plus the normal meat, fruits, nuts and veggies. Started it primarily to lose weight, but also cause I knew my old diet (meat & pasta and fast food) was not good.

 

[cosjobs]

I've been making my own salad dressing. Olive oil soaked in lots of rosemary and garlic mixed with mustard and orange muscat vinegar from trader Joe's. It's pretty outstanding.

Proninja - This sounds good - mind sharing the full recipe? I'm not a cook so I need some help.

That's the recipe. I use costco's organic olive oil, and I threw a bunch of rosemary in the old bottle when I got a new bottle and filled the old bottle half up. I pour that about halfway up an old salad dressing container (we save old containers, they're remarkably useful), chop up about 8 cloves of garlic finely, then fill up to the 3/4 mark with this from trader joe's, then put some jack daniel's mustard in. Shake it all up, and the longer it sits the better it gets. It'll come out of the freezer hard, but if you bring it out in advance it's no big deal. I don't use a recipe or measurements, just throw in what I have. I've made it with red wine vinegar, without mustard when I was out, and without garlic when I was out. It's not as good with those substitutions, but still works fine. It's hard to screw salad dressing up if you're putting in things that all taste good.

fantastic dressing. Just curious, equal parts mustard, olive oil, and vinegar?

more olive oil than either mustard or vinegar. We're getting into "it varies" and "I'm not sure" - this didn't come from a recipe, this is just something I threw together when we were having friends over and didn't have any salad dressing. I liked it, so I kept making it.

traditional salad dressings are two parts oil, one part vinegar. Mustard counts as vinegar (mayo counts as oil).

 

[cosjobs]

Need to get a couple books for my kindle. What are some good paleo books? I am a novice, starting paleo after my vacation next week. I need a book that goes into detail about what foods to eat/ignore. Thanks.

Just eat meat, fruit, vegetables, and nuts/book

I use about 60-70% of Bulletproof Executive's chart