Paleo / Primal Blueprint type diets (1 Viewer)

[Mister CIA]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

If eating out, my #1 go-to is the Big-### Salad bar. Jason's Deli works well for me. Navigating the dressing selection is difficult (I assume they are full of soybean oil, which along with wheat is one of two ingredients I try to avoid most). I've adapted my taste buds to enjoy a dry salad if olive oil and vinegar are not available. I might cheat and add a little cole slaw or hummus (I assume soybean oil is used to make these) to moisten the dish up.Locally, pulled-pork platter with side of greens is readily available for me. For Mexican, I'll do fajitas and pass on the tortillas.

 

[Slapdash]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

If eating out, my #1 go-to is the Big-### Salad bar. Jason's Deli works well for me. Navigating the dressing selection is difficult (I assume they are full of soybean oil, which along with wheat is one of two ingredients I try to avoid most). I've adapted my taste buds to enjoy a dry salad if olive oil and vinegar are not available. I might cheat and add a little cole slaw or hummus (I assume soybean oil is used to make these) to moisten the dish up.Locally, pulled-pork platter with side of greens is readily available for me. For Mexican, I'll do fajitas and pass on the tortillas.

Yeah, I like the salad bar at Jason's a great deal but something in there doesn't sit right with me a lot of the time. Even if I go with the EVOO and vinegar.

 

[cosjobs]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

If eating out, my #1 go-to is the Big-### Salad bar. Jason's Deli works well for me. Navigating the dressing selection is difficult (I assume they are full of soybean oil, which along with wheat is one of two ingredients I try to avoid most). I've adapted my taste buds to enjoy a dry salad if olive oil and vinegar are not available. I might cheat and add a little cole slaw or hummus (I assume soybean oil is used to make these) to moisten the dish up.Locally, pulled-pork platter with side of greens is readily available for me. For Mexican, I'll do fajitas and pass on the tortillas.

I don't think its good to run around on empty all day. But a couple of cups of coffee with organic heavy cream and maybe even a little coconut oil (see Bulletproof Exec) tides me over all day on days where lunch options are not good. Otherwise the Fajita or BBQ joints are a usually good option. If you are going for weight loss, the coffee cream works surprisingly well. Once you start eating other food, stop after eight hours and the weight loss can be fairly dramatic.

 

[Chaka]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

 

[Slapdash]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

If eating out, my #1 go-to is the Big-### Salad bar. Jason's Deli works well for me. Navigating the dressing selection is difficult (I assume they are full of soybean oil, which along with wheat is one of two ingredients I try to avoid most). I've adapted my taste buds to enjoy a dry salad if olive oil and vinegar are not available. I might cheat and add a little cole slaw or hummus (I assume soybean oil is used to make these) to moisten the dish up.Locally, pulled-pork platter with side of greens is readily available for me. For Mexican, I'll do fajitas and pass on the tortillas.

I don't think its good to run around on empty all day. But a couple of cups of coffee with organic heavy cream and maybe even a little coconut oil (see Bulletproof Exec) tides me over all day on days where lunch options are not good. Otherwise the Fajita or BBQ joints are a usually good option. If you are going for weight loss, the coffee cream works surprisingly well. Once you start eating other food, stop after eight hours and the weight loss can be fairly dramatic.

The BBQ idea is a good tip since I'm in NC. I think I'll try that out to today. I'm not going for weight loss as much as not spending half of my afternoon feeling like #### and using the restroom because I've had gluten or soybean oil.I've been doing a lot of sashimi lately, but that gets expensive quick.

ETA: The bulletproof coffee is really solid.

 

[Slapdash]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I do chicken nuggets and french fries or fish and chips...

like this weekly.

 

[Mister CIA]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

Not sure what oil(s) are included, but you could do worse than the mixed-garden salad (or caesar salad) combined with the roasted potatoes at Sbarros if you find yourself stuck in a mall.

 

[Chaka]

ETA: The bulletproof coffee is really solid.

I have seen that bulletproof coffee before it's an interesting thought. I do something similar, to my daily coffee I add 1 tbsp of coconut oil and 2 tbsp of coconut milk. I love it and it is very satiating.

 

[Chaka]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

I agree with your simple solution, is there a reason you don't implement it? I find in most chain, non-fast food, places (of the Chili's, TGIF, On The Border variety) typically have fajitas or a protein (chicken breast, salmon or shrimp typically) with steamed veggies option, you can always ask for steamed veggies. If you give us a list of restaurants in your area I bet you would get a lot of suggestions for what you can order that would fit your needs.

 

[Slapdash]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

If eating out, my #1 go-to is the Big-### Salad bar. Jason's Deli works well for me. Navigating the dressing selection is difficult (I assume they are full of soybean oil, which along with wheat is one of two ingredients I try to avoid most). I've adapted my taste buds to enjoy a dry salad if olive oil and vinegar are not available. I might cheat and add a little cole slaw or hummus (I assume soybean oil is used to make these) to moisten the dish up.Locally, pulled-pork platter with side of greens is readily available for me. For Mexican, I'll do fajitas and pass on the tortillas.

I don't think its good to run around on empty all day. But a couple of cups of coffee with organic heavy cream and maybe even a little coconut oil (see Bulletproof Exec) tides me over all day on days where lunch options are not good. Otherwise the Fajita or BBQ joints are a usually good option. If you are going for weight loss, the coffee cream works surprisingly well. Once you start eating other food, stop after eight hours and the weight loss can be fairly dramatic.

The BBQ idea is a good tip since I'm in NC. I think I'll try that out to today. I'm not going for weight loss as much as not spending half of my afternoon feeling like #### and using the restroom because I've had gluten or soybean oil.I've been doing a lot of sashimi lately, but that gets expensive quick.

ETA: The bulletproof coffee is really solid.

That didn't work.

 

[Slapdash]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

I agree with your simple solution, is there a reason you don't implement it? I find in most chain, non-fast food, places (of the Chili's, TGIF, On The Border variety) typically have fajitas or a protein (chicken breast, salmon or shrimp typically) with steamed veggies option, you can always ask for steamed veggies. If you give us a list of restaurants in your area I bet you would get a lot of suggestions for what you can order that would fit your needs.

I bought some earlier this week just haven't rememberd to bring it along. The places around are more fast-food oriented like Moe's, Chick-Fil-A, Wild Wings, Firehouse Subs, Jersey Mike's, Newks, Five Guys, and assorted sandwhich or hibachi places. A slew of pricey restaurants too, but I'd rather go hungry than get in the habbit of spending over 15 on lunch. I can find low-carb options pretty well, it just seems like everything is cooked in stuff or has added ingrediants that upset my stomach. Very hard to isolate, maybe I have celiac's but the oil seems to do it too. Only things that reliably don't do that are hard-boiled eggs or sashimi.

 

[phrozen]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

I agree with your simple solution, is there a reason you don't implement it? I find in most chain, non-fast food, places (of the Chili's, TGIF, On The Border variety) typically have fajitas or a protein (chicken breast, salmon or shrimp typically) with steamed veggies option, you can always ask for steamed veggies. If you give us a list of restaurants in your area I bet you would get a lot of suggestions for what you can order that would fit your needs.

I bought some earlier this week just haven't rememberd to bring it along. The places around are more fast-food oriented like Moe's, Chick-Fil-A, Wild Wings, Firehouse Subs, Jersey Mike's, Newks, Five Guys, and assorted sandwhich or hibachi places. A slew of pricey restaurants too, but I'd rather go hungry than get in the habbit of spending over 15 on lunch. I can find low-carb options pretty well, it just seems like everything is cooked in stuff or has added ingrediants that upset my stomach. Only things that reliably don't do that are hard-boiled eggs or sashimi.

bringing lunch from home down?

 

[cosjobs]

One thing about these diets is it makes it impossible to figure out what to get for lunch when I'm at work. Avoiding gluten and seed oils is pretty much impossible. I seem intolerant of both of those so I often just end up skipping lunch.

Why is it impossible? What are the options at your work?

There are tons of chain fast food and other places. I just don't see a lot of options that can avoid those two things. It seems like everything I try doesn't sit well. Even getting a salad doesn't work out well ( I suspect that is because of the dressing. Simple solution is to bring in EVOO and vinegar from home, I know). I'm not sure if the amount of coffee I drink is making me more sensitive to this stuff or not.

I agree with your simple solution, is there a reason you don't implement it? I find in most chain, non-fast food, places (of the Chili's, TGIF, On The Border variety) typically have fajitas or a protein (chicken breast, salmon or shrimp typically) with steamed veggies option, you can always ask for steamed veggies. If you give us a list of restaurants in your area I bet you would get a lot of suggestions for what you can order that would fit your needs.

I bought some earlier this week just haven't rememberd to bring it along. The places around are more fast-food oriented like Moe's, Chick-Fil-A, Wild Wings, Firehouse Subs, Jersey Mike's, Newks, Five Guys, and assorted sandwhich or hibachi places. A slew of pricey restaurants too, but I'd rather go hungry than get in the habbit of spending over 15 on lunch. I can find low-carb options pretty well, it just seems like everything is cooked in stuff or has added ingrediants that upset my stomach. Very hard to isolate, maybe I have celiac's but the oil seems to do it too. Only things that reliably don't do that are hard-boiled eggs or sashimi.

Sounds like you have some gut issues. You should try adding lots of fermented food to your diet- kim chi, sauer kraut, yougurt. If that doesn't work, maybe look into a fecal transplant.

 

[Slapdash]

bringing lunch from home down?

Apparently that's not an option

Sure it is an option, I'd just rather skip lunch if that is my only other one. I've skipped breakfast for years already. Just seems like this is getting worse.

 

[Chaka]

bringing lunch from home down?

Apparently that's not an option

Sure it is an option, I'd just rather skip lunch if that is my only other one. I've skipped breakfast for years already. Just seems like this is getting worse.

I believe in the value of intermittent fasting but no breakfast and no lunch on a regular basis doesn't seem like a recipe for gut health.Don't take this as a dig, because I really don't mean it to be, but an attitude adjustment re: preparing lunch (which is not difficult at all) may be in order. For now bringing in the olive oil seems like a great start.

 

[Slapdash]

bringing lunch from home down?

Apparently that's not an option

Sure it is an option, I'd just rather skip lunch if that is my only other one. I've skipped breakfast for years already. Just seems like this is getting worse.

I believe in the value of intermittent fasting but no breakfast and no lunch on a regular basis doesn't seem like a recipe for gut health.Don't take this as a dig, because I really don't mean it to be, but an attitude adjustment re: preparing lunch (which is not difficult at all) may be in order. For now bringing in the olive oil seems like a great start.

I get you. I've been doing this thing for over three years at this point. It has gotten harder to prepare and eat the same things for one over and over again, particularly as I work longer hours. Trying to find quick solutions for variety, that is all.I agree, it seems like my gut is in pretty bad shape. It always has felt that way. Breakfast has never sat well for me and I feel worse if I eat lunch at work than if I skip it.ETA: I'm really worried it could be coffee that is making these effects worse. 4 or more cups a day are typical.

 

[Random]

I like to hit Chipotle when I need to grab something. If thats not available the new taco bell bowl will do (I'm sure its far from ideal, but you could do worse).

 

[Rick James]

Anyone try a Keto diet?

 

[culdeus]

Anyone try a Keto diet?

I think I'd opt for lap band first.

 

[cosjobs]

Anyone try a Keto diet?

I think I'd opt for lap band first.

Some pretty amazing health implications such as shutting down cancer growth among other things. But I sure do not like how I feel when in "ketosis," so I do not do it very often.My link

 

[Franknbeans]

The Worst: Eating Like a Caveman

The hugely popular Paleo Diet is based on the theory that our bodies are optimized for eating the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate: fruits, vegetables, and meat. Problem is, our lifestyles aren’t, Giancoli says. “It’s not like our ancestors were hunting cows or chickens. They were hunting super-lean wild game, and most people today can’t go out and consume wild game all of the time,” she says. Domesticated farm animals aren’t as lean as wild game, so diets heavy in their meats include more saturated fat than is healthy. While the strict fruits-veggies-and-meat diet will result in weight loss by eliminating refined sugars and preservatives, results are far from sustainable, as the restrictions make the diet difficult to keep up. What’s more, by prohibiting the consumption of fiber-filled legumes and whole grains as well as calcium- and vitamin D-rich calcium, it can set dieters up for cravings and nutritional deficiencies. 



Bottom Line: A diet based in fruits and veggies is great, as is shunning refined sugars and preservatives. But to be sustainable, diet plans need to meet all of the body’s nutritional needs, Giancoli says. Whenever it requires cutting out healthy foods (like whole grains, dairy, legumes), it doesn’t.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The Worst: Eating Like a CavemanThe hugely popular Paleo Diet is based on the theory that our bodies are optimized for eating the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate: fruits, vegetables, and meat. Problem is, our lifestyles aren’t, Giancoli says. “It’s not like our ancestors were hunting cows or chickens. They were hunting super-lean wild game, and most people today can’t go out and consume wild game all of the time,” she says. Domesticated farm animals aren’t as lean as wild game, so diets heavy in their meats include more saturated fat than is healthy. While the strict fruits-veggies-and-meat diet will result in weight loss by eliminating refined sugars and preservatives, results are far from sustainable, as the restrictions make the diet difficult to keep up. What’s more, by prohibiting the consumption of fiber-filled legumes and whole grains as well as calcium- and vitamin D-rich calcium, it can set dieters up for cravings and nutritional deficiencies. 

Bottom Line: A diet based in fruits and veggies is great, as is shunning refined sugars and preservatives. But to be sustainable, diet plans need to meet all of the body’s nutritional needs, Giancoli says. Whenever it requires cutting out healthy foods (like whole grains, dairy, legumes), it doesn’t.

Yeah, I see stuff like this come up all the time. Listen, there are some aspects of Paleo or ancestral health or whatever that is probably full of what scientists call "woo". But that is at least equally true for "traditional" nutritional science. That excerpt is full of "woo."We know from archeological data and from studying those hunter/gatherer societies that still exist that hunters focused on the fattiest organs of the animals. It's true that we don't consume meat like cavemen. Because cavemen ate a lot more organ meat (because organ meat is mad nutritious). But organ meat is also fatty. It's also hard to find plant sources that are as nutritionally dense as meat. Whole grain isn't even close.

 

[cosjobs]

The Worst: Eating Like a Caveman

The hugely popular Paleo Diet is based on the theory that our bodies are optimized for eating the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate: fruits, vegetables, and meat. Problem is, our lifestyles aren't, Giancoli says. "It's not like our ancestors were hunting cows or chickens. They were hunting super-lean wild game, and most people today can't go out and consume wild game all of the time," she says. Domesticated farm animals aren't as lean as wild game, so diets heavy in their meats include more saturated fat than is healthy. While the strict fruits-veggies-and-meat diet will result in weight loss by eliminating refined sugars and preservatives, results are far from sustainable, as the restrictions make the diet difficult to keep up. What's more, by prohibiting the consumption of fiber-filled legumes and whole grains as well as calcium- and vitamin D-rich calcium, it can set dieters up for cravings and nutritional deficiencies. 



Bottom Line: A diet based in fruits and veggies is great, as is shunning refined sugars and preservatives. But to be sustainable, diet plans need to meet all of the body's nutritional needs, Giancoli says. Whenever it requires cutting out healthy foods (like whole grains, dairy, legumes), it doesn't.

Wow, that's really what passes for an argument against paleo? That's pathetic.

Link to the author and article.Internet fluff

 

[Rick James]

The Worst: Eating Like a Caveman

The hugely popular Paleo Diet is based on the theory that our bodies are optimized for eating the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate: fruits, vegetables, and meat. Problem is, our lifestyles aren't, Giancoli says. "It's not like our ancestors were hunting cows or chickens. They were hunting super-lean wild game, and most people today can't go out and consume wild game all of the time," she says. Domesticated farm animals aren't as lean as wild game, so diets heavy in their meats include more saturated fat than is healthy. While the strict fruits-veggies-and-meat diet will result in weight loss by eliminating refined sugars and preservatives, results are far from sustainable, as the restrictions make the diet difficult to keep up. What's more, by prohibiting the consumption of fiber-filled legumes and whole grains as well as calcium- and vitamin D-rich calcium, it can set dieters up for cravings and nutritional deficiencies. 



Bottom Line: A diet based in fruits and veggies is great, as is shunning refined sugars and preservatives. But to be sustainable, diet plans need to meet all of the body's nutritional needs, Giancoli says. Whenever it requires cutting out healthy foods (like whole grains, dairy, legumes), it doesn't.

Wow, that's really what passes for an argument against paleo? That's pathetic.

Seriously. What part of whole grains is healthy?Also, most things I read cite dairy as passable as long as you can tolerate it. How do you know if you can tolerate it? Cut it out of your diet completely, then slowly work it back in. If your gut doesn't throw a hissy fit, then you're good to go.

Legumes-- a lot of people suggest sweet potatoes a couple times a week, for paleo.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Legumes-- a lot of people suggest sweet potatoes a couple times a week, for paleo.

Sweet potatoes are not legumes.

 

[Rick James]

Legumes-- a lot of people suggest sweet potatoes a couple times a week, for paleo.

Sweet potatoes are not legumes.

i knew that

 

[Mister CIA]

Beer is a helluva drug. Just finished off a tasty late night snack of Brussels sprouts well-sizzled in coconut oil.

 

[Mister CIA]

Beer is a helluva drug. Just finished off a tasty late night snack of Brussels sprouts well-sizzled in coconut oil.

bacon fat>>>>>>>>>>>>coconut oil

What about organic extra-virgin coconut oil?ETA: Nevermind, I've answered my own question.

 

[cosjobs]

Beer is a helluva drug. Just finished off a tasty late night snack of Brussels sprouts well-sizzled in coconut oil.

bacon fat>>>>>>>>>>>>coconut oil

Sure, if you prefer nitrates over medium chain fats

 

[Sabertooth]

Intermittent fasting, anyone do this?

 

[culdeus]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

With respect to what? The ability to stay on it?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

With respect to what? The ability to stay on it?

OK, that's clearly how the author meant it, but that's still an incredibly stupid point. Because every "diet" ever studied has been shown to be unsustainable. There's no evidence that backsliding from Paleo or low-carb or whatever is any more pronounced than backsliding from Weight Watchers or whatever low fat diet the author seems to think is more "proven."To the extent that it's easy to fall of the paleo wagon in today's food environment, that would seem to be far more an indictment of the food environment than paleo itself.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Personally, I find primal reasonably sustainable compared to any other healthy diet I've tried. And I tried a bunch of junk before going against the grain. For me the key difference in primal and paleo is Sisson's 20% cushion that allows/encourages me to have some pizza.

Sabertooth, a form of intermittent fasting called the Warrior diet is what led me eventually to a primal lifestyle. You can search it, but basically, you fast by day eat by night. This works for me though I don't follow any diet faithfully at this point. I have never craved breakfast. I function fine without lunch. I eat at night, even late night snacks. That's warrior style intermittent fasting. Do it with 80% paleo foods and you're a primal intermittent faster and should lean out naturally.

I'm a little wierd about fasting in general, but I come from a family of obese Italian diabetics and refuse to join them. I think various/most forms of fasting are great for general health and maintanence. Intermittent as a lifestyle, small doses of other types as a form of discipline, cleansing, maintenance, spiritual, etc. I am on a more aggressive intermittent fast right now. For two weeks I am eating every other day just to focus and lean out after holiday backsliding. The last bite of food I have currently had was Monday evening. I feel great. Some coconut flour biscuits and sausage gravy is heating in the kitchen as I type. I will water fast for as long as I feel like it once a year in the heat of summer. Our ancestors were adapted to feast or famine, so why not me? I've gone over a week with just water, and I've caved after three days. I've done this for a decade. I will also do an extended juice fast every fall to preempt the holidays. I've gone as long as 30 days (lost 40 pounds) and I've quit in a week. Research on juice fasting is spotty at best, but I really enjoy it. Last year I "milk" fasted for a week after something Maurile wrote led me to look into that. I put it in quotes because it became a homemade yogurt fast (cultured milk). I came off that eating only raw organic unwashed veggies for two days. This was a major gut flora/probiotic reset after an unfortunate need for an antibiotic cycle. Anyway, pretty sure I'm rambling because I'm 36 hours into a fast... soo... mmmm sausage.

 

[cosjobs]

Intermittent fasting, anyone do this?

I was doing it a lot last year with great success. I plan on starting back up any day now.Are you doing the coffee with cream or coconut oil all day. Then when you start eating, stop within 8 hours and repeat the next day? Really pretty easy for me if I can fend it off the hunger til 2pm or so.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Sabertooth, a form of intermittent fasting called the Warrior diet is what led me eventually to a primal lifestyle. You can search it, but basically, you fast by day eat by night. This works for me though I don't follow any diet faithfully at this point. I have never craved breakfast. I function fine without lunch. I eat at night, even late night snacks. That's warrior style intermittent fasting. Do it with 80% paleo foods and you're a primal intermittent faster and should lean out naturally.

I didn't realize this was some kind of "diet". This has been how I've eaten almost my entire life. I never eat breakfast and almost never eat lunch.

 

[Chaka]

Intermittent fasting, anyone do this?

I try to do one day a week.

 

[moleculo]

starting a 28 day "rehab" cycle today. My neighbor teaches seminars and has a pamphlet called "28 to Life" where she instructs clients on a paleo-esque diet, we are following her program.

She references the Hatwigs, Wolf, Sisson, Taubes, and Pollan in her guide. In essence, every meal should be 1/3 vegetable, one additional 1/3 fruits or vegetables, 1/3 protein, and then some fat to accompany. An example of fat is a handful of nuts, or olive oil dressing, or something like that. no dairy, no sugar, no grains, no legumes. This diet is about eliminating gut irritants and restoring hormonal balance.

I'm in pretty good shape, about 3-4 lbs over my pre-holiday minimum. I'm hoping to lose these 3 or 4 lbs over the next month. More importantly, I'm hoping to feel great like I did last time I was eating this way consistently.

 

[moleculo]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

 

[phrozen]

listening to this today during work ->

 

[Sabertooth]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

So you put on weight be eating ####ty food? Wow. Weird.

 

[phrozen]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

I think the paleo/primal lifestyle is sustainable, what is not sustainable is people's focus and willpower to adapt to the way of eating long term. If you go into the paleo/primal lifestyle as a 'diet' that you will only stay on for a certain period of time to achieve your goal weight then go back to your original way of eating, then yes you will gain weight and after a period of time will likely weigh more than your original weight.The carb binge that you went on around the holidays does not speak to the sustainability of the lifestyle, it speaks more to your lack of willpower to avoid those foods. If you subscribe to this way of living, then you believe those desserts and other carbohydrates are major contributors to inflammation, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, weight gain, etc. so avoiding them is essential to long term health and wellness. I used to have a big sweet tooth too, and over time my palette adjusted and my desire for sweets greatly diminished.Also I don't buy the fact that the lifestyle is not sustainable if you have to travel as I travel between 75 - 100k miles a year for my job and I am able to find the right foods and maintain the paleo/primal lifestyle while I am on the road.

 

[moleculo]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

I think the paleo/primal lifestyle is sustainable, what is not sustainable is people's focus and willpower to adapt to the way of eating long term. If you go into the paleo/primal lifestyle as a 'diet' that you will only stay on for a certain period of time to achieve your goal weight then go back to your original way of eating, then yes you will gain weight and after a period of time will likely weigh more than your original weight.The carb binge that you went on around the holidays does not speak to the sustainability of the lifestyle, it speaks more to your lack of willpower to avoid those foods. If you subscribe to this way of living, then you believe those desserts and other carbohydrates are major contributors to inflammation, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, weight gain, etc. so avoiding them is essential to long term health and wellness. I used to have a big sweet tooth too, and over time my palette adjusted and my desire for sweets greatly diminished.Also I don't buy the fact that the lifestyle is not sustainable if you have to travel as I travel between 75 - 100k miles a year for my job and I am able to find the right foods and maintain the paleo/primal lifestyle while I am on the road.

yes, I have very little will-power (which is odd since that's the name of two of my fantasy football teams). I will readily admit that. A diet that is sustainable long term has to account for that.don't get me wrong - I lost about 15 lbs prior to my binge, which on my frame is quite a lot. i'm not at all in bad shape even after adding 4-5 more lbs. It wasn't a complete slip, I knew what I was eating wasn't the best. I know that you are allowed "cheat days"; I just had too many consecutive cheat days to the point where the exception became the rule.What really got me though was the traveling bit. That is something I really struggled with. I'd like to hear tips on maintaining healthy eating habits while on the road.

 

[culdeus]

My wife recently got a Dexcom Glucose Monitor to treat Type1. This checks BG every 3 minutes. She's not tech savvy so I'm considering using it for 2-3 days to figure it out so I can debug any issues she has with it. I'm halfway thinking about having a normal diet day for me then following it up with eating the worst #### I can find. I'm curious how much my BG swings.

 

[phrozen]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

I think the paleo/primal lifestyle is sustainable, what is not sustainable is people's focus and willpower to adapt to the way of eating long term. If you go into the paleo/primal lifestyle as a 'diet' that you will only stay on for a certain period of time to achieve your goal weight then go back to your original way of eating, then yes you will gain weight and after a period of time will likely weigh more than your original weight.The carb binge that you went on around the holidays does not speak to the sustainability of the lifestyle, it speaks more to your lack of willpower to avoid those foods. If you subscribe to this way of living, then you believe those desserts and other carbohydrates are major contributors to inflammation, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, weight gain, etc. so avoiding them is essential to long term health and wellness. I used to have a big sweet tooth too, and over time my palette adjusted and my desire for sweets greatly diminished.Also I don't buy the fact that the lifestyle is not sustainable if you have to travel as I travel between 75 - 100k miles a year for my job and I am able to find the right foods and maintain the paleo/primal lifestyle while I am on the road.

yes, I have very little will-power (which is odd since that's the name of two of my fantasy football teams). I will readily admit that. A diet that is sustainable long term has to account for that.don't get me wrong - I lost about 15 lbs prior to my binge, which on my frame is quite a lot. i'm not at all in bad shape even after adding 4-5 more lbs. It wasn't a complete slip, I knew what I was eating wasn't the best. I know that you are allowed "cheat days"; I just had too many consecutive cheat days to the point where the exception became the rule.What really got me though was the traveling bit. That is something I really struggled with. I'd like to hear tips on maintaining healthy eating habits while on the road.

If my traveling involves flying, then I get to the airport a little earlier so that way I can sit down at one of the airport restaurants and have breakfast/lunch/dinner. These places have a larger selection of choices that I can work with. If you get to the airport late and have little time before you board, then you will go run to Subway (or the like) to grab something quick. At the restaurants, I will usually go for a burger, no bun, and swap the fries out for a Cesar salad. I have to fly to California a lot for my job so I usually will bring a small pack of nuts (no peanuts) in case I get hungry on the 5 1/2 hour flight.When I am traveling, I usually do research on places around the office and the hotel so I can find a couple of good restaurants to eat while I am there. I have the luxury of visiting the same cities & hotels when I travel so the restaurants I identify serve me during my multiple trips during the year. If I can't go out for some reason, hotel room service is usually an option. Most hotels have a cobb salad on the menu which is low carb and high protein.I will give you traveling by car can be a challenge but with smartphones, GPS, etc. finding a good place to eat is much easier than it was in the decades prior. When I travel by car, I avoid the usual suspects, McD's/Wendy's/Burger King etc. and try to find other places. If I can find a Chipotle then I get a bowl with no rice or beans, extra fajita veggies, double meat, tomato salsa, green & red salsa, and guac. If I can find a Panera bread then I get a large salad. Now obviously it is hard to eat a bowl or salad while driving down the interstate so you have to be purposeful to stop, sit, and eat. A lot of times, places have other ethnic restaurants where I can find good options as well.

 

[moleculo]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

I think the paleo/primal lifestyle is sustainable, what is not sustainable is people's focus and willpower to adapt to the way of eating long term. If you go into the paleo/primal lifestyle as a 'diet' that you will only stay on for a certain period of time to achieve your goal weight then go back to your original way of eating, then yes you will gain weight and after a period of time will likely weigh more than your original weight.The carb binge that you went on around the holidays does not speak to the sustainability of the lifestyle, it speaks more to your lack of willpower to avoid those foods. If you subscribe to this way of living, then you believe those desserts and other carbohydrates are major contributors to inflammation, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, weight gain, etc. so avoiding them is essential to long term health and wellness. I used to have a big sweet tooth too, and over time my palette adjusted and my desire for sweets greatly diminished.Also I don't buy the fact that the lifestyle is not sustainable if you have to travel as I travel between 75 - 100k miles a year for my job and I am able to find the right foods and maintain the paleo/primal lifestyle while I am on the road.

yes, I have very little will-power (which is odd since that's the name of two of my fantasy football teams). I will readily admit that. A diet that is sustainable long term has to account for that.don't get me wrong - I lost about 15 lbs prior to my binge, which on my frame is quite a lot. i'm not at all in bad shape even after adding 4-5 more lbs. It wasn't a complete slip, I knew what I was eating wasn't the best. I know that you are allowed "cheat days"; I just had too many consecutive cheat days to the point where the exception became the rule.What really got me though was the traveling bit. That is something I really struggled with. I'd like to hear tips on maintaining healthy eating habits while on the road.

If my traveling involves flying, then I get to the airport a little earlier so that way I can sit down at one of the airport restaurants and have breakfast/lunch/dinner. These places have a larger selection of choices that I can work with. If you get to the airport late and have little time before you board, then you will go run to Subway (or the like) to grab something quick. At the restaurants, I will usually go for a burger, no bun, and swap the fries out for a Cesar salad. I have to fly to California a lot for my job so I usually will bring a small pack of nuts (no peanuts) in case I get hungry on the 5 1/2 hour flight.When I am traveling, I usually do research on places around the office and the hotel so I can find a couple of good restaurants to eat while I am there. I have the luxury of visiting the same cities & hotels when I travel so the restaurants I identify serve me during my multiple trips during the year. If I can't go out for some reason, hotel room service is usually an option. Most hotels have a cobb salad on the menu which is low carb and high protein.I will give you traveling by car can be a challenge but with smartphones, GPS, etc. finding a good place to eat is much easier than it was in the decades prior. When I travel by car, I avoid the usual suspects, McD's/Wendy's/Burger King etc. and try to find other places. If I can find a Chipotle then I get a bowl with no rice or beans, extra fajita veggies, double meat, tomato salsa, green & red salsa, and guac. If I can find a Panera bread then I get a large salad. Now obviously it is hard to eat a bowl or salad while driving down the interstate so you have to be purposeful to stop, sit, and eat. A lot of times, places have other ethnic restaurants where I can find good options as well.

yeah, the problem with my roadtrip is that it was a really, really long drive and we didn't really want to take the time to do a full-bore sitdown meal. Sitting down for a proper table-service meal would have taken too long, especially given the length of the trip. It took us 15 hours between Charlotte and Ft Myers as it was, that included sitting down for breakfast and lunch in fast-food joints. On a hell trip like that, you also don't really want to venture too far off of the interstate. I think the optimal plan would be to better prepare food prior to the trip and bring your own stuff with you...maybe something we need to do a better job of.

 

[Slapdash]

If I were describing a diet that people thrived on for 2.6 million years, "unsustainable" would not be the first word that came to mind.

You know why it's not sustainable? It's difficult to stay consistent on this diet given the modern lifestyle. You have to go out of your way to avoid sugary, processesed foods and/or grains.I was doing a good job on this type of diet between May and November of last year. Around mid November, my sweet tooth got the best of me and I finally started dipping into the kids Halloween candy. Shortly after that was Thanksgiving, with all of the stuffing, pies, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, etc. Just after that was Christmas which includes egg nog, Christmas cookies, and holiday feasts. Also Christmas related was a huge road trip - driving from Charlotte, NC to basically Ft Myers, FL and then to Nashville, TN before coming back to Charlotte. It's really, really hard to stay on track when you are eating on the road and fast-food is your only real option.This 6 or 7 stretch of falling off the wagon, so to speak, was enough for me to pack back on 4-5 lbs.

I think the paleo/primal lifestyle is sustainable, what is not sustainable is people's focus and willpower to adapt to the way of eating long term. If you go into the paleo/primal lifestyle as a 'diet' that you will only stay on for a certain period of time to achieve your goal weight then go back to your original way of eating, then yes you will gain weight and after a period of time will likely weigh more than your original weight.The carb binge that you went on around the holidays does not speak to the sustainability of the lifestyle, it speaks more to your lack of willpower to avoid those foods. If you subscribe to this way of living, then you believe those desserts and other carbohydrates are major contributors to inflammation, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, weight gain, etc. so avoiding them is essential to long term health and wellness. I used to have a big sweet tooth too, and over time my palette adjusted and my desire for sweets greatly diminished.Also I don't buy the fact that the lifestyle is not sustainable if you have to travel as I travel between 75 - 100k miles a year for my job and I am able to find the right foods and maintain the paleo/primal lifestyle while I am on the road.

yes, I have very little will-power (which is odd since that's the name of two of my fantasy football teams). I will readily admit that. A diet that is sustainable long term has to account for that.don't get me wrong - I lost about 15 lbs prior to my binge, which on my frame is quite a lot. i'm not at all in bad shape even after adding 4-5 more lbs. It wasn't a complete slip, I knew what I was eating wasn't the best. I know that you are allowed "cheat days"; I just had too many consecutive cheat days to the point where the exception became the rule.What really got me though was the traveling bit. That is something I really struggled with. I'd like to hear tips on maintaining healthy eating habits while on the road.

I am not sure it is an issue with your willpower. Anytime that you don't have the option to prepare your own food it is a pretty difficult diet to follow.

 

[Random]

I'm sure they dont have the best ingredients, but cant you get a salad at McD's? Surely its better than a DoubleQPwC value meal.

 

[Chaka]

This diet is completely sustainable from the perspective that it can be incorporated into daily routine to the point that it becomes natural and easy to find and make paleo choices. It is not a matter of willpower either IMO, if you want that doughnut or cupcake or whatever then knock yourself out and enjoy it. You should enjoy eating and not view it as a negative. The tough part is the initial phase where you work on making the changes and sustaining it long enough that it becomes your natural state.

For me this occurred over the course of maybe 4-5 years and came only after I did massive amounts of reading up on the issue. The process of getting from there to here was long and it took work but now it has gotten to the point that I don't even think twice about my food choices wherever I go.

My introduction into truly understanding my food supply began about five years ago when I read The Omnivore's Dilemma which appalled me enough and made me curious enough that I started reading more and more about what really goes into the food I eat. Off the top of my head, since that point I have read Fast Food Nation, The Paleo Diet, The Primal Blueprint, Good Calories Bad Calories, The Perfect Health Diet, The Biology of Belief, The Omega Diet, The Vegetarian Myth, Why We Get Fat, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and probably 5-10 more books on the topic that I can't remember at the moment. Not to mention the countless blogs, message boards and pretty much anything posted by Maurile in here. It took all of that to get me to the point that I don't think twice about my food choices and my indulgences into non Paleo food choices are extremely infrequent and often a disappointment. Eat paleo for long enough and your palate will change to the point that most processed food will taste...processed.

I find eating paleo to be extremely easy at this point. The really, extremely, incredibly difficult part was breaking the mental attachment, established over decades, to the comfort foods in the S.A.D. That part took me years.