pantherclub
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They have only lost by 7 or less 4 times and were outright killed by the Giants.The Panthers are close
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Panthers fire Marty Hurney. (1 Viewer)
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solorca
Footballguy
That would have made more sense...but I have to think there is some reason for the move happening now. That reason could be as simple as just making a statement though, so who knows.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Olsen is the 5th most targeted TE over the past month. Stats guys, stats.
Why?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Because it is straight reactionary to Cam Newton acting like a baby after the game yesterday.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The inmates are running the asylum now.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Most games are close. A winning team is clutch in the 4th when it counts.
No its not. The losingest team in NFL since 09. 6 games out in the division after the bye. Considering how the talent is utilized vs how they are paid, there is a clear disconnect with GM and staff. If you are ready to move on, the sooner the better.If you think this firing has anything to do with Cam you aren't following the Panthers closely.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
my thoughts exactly. Cam makes comment, Richardson reacts. The problem with this organization is Richardsons love affair with Cam. When they get a new GM and eventually new staff and those guys stand up to Cam how will he react?
The Commish
Footballguy
You're right. It has nothing to do with the numerous blunders in the draft or the fact that the Panthers have had 1 winning season in the last 8 years. It's all because of Cam
The problem with this organization is a 3-4 year streak of terrible drafting and salary cap management
solorca
Footballguy
Yeah, one comment from Cam Newton is clearly the reason that Hurney was fired. Anyone trying to pin this on him is just someone who is digging to find something else to make Cam look bad. There are a few posters on this board that I've lost a ton of respect for based on their insistence of putting everything bad in Carolina onto Cam.
3 winning seasons in 11 years, and a 1-6 start this season has nothing to do with it. Not to mention his fantastic history of drafting, free agent signings, and traded draft picks to get players like Armanti Edwards and Everette Brown.
3 winning seasons in 11 years, and a 1-6 start this season has nothing to do with it. Not to mention his fantastic history of drafting, free agent signings, and traded draft picks to get players like Armanti Edwards and Everette Brown.
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Banger
Footballguy
or even if it isn't, maybe Richardson would say it is unrelated and it was just time to make a move, it totally looks like a knee jerk reaction to Cam's criticism.
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If you don't know anything about JR, maybe
solorca
Footballguy
If Richardson made this move to pacify anyone, it's the Carolina fanbase, not Newton. The fanbase has been calling for his head for years now, and after a 1-5 start, this is a way to make a statement to the fanbase. It's an easy move for Richardson, because Hurney was working without a contract (so no legal/contract issues to deal with) and was almost definitely gone after the season anyway.
Rivera and his staff are next, but Hurney is the creator of the entire team/staff, so this was a big statement by Richardson that the Carolina Panthers are going in a new direction.
Rivera and his staff are next, but Hurney is the creator of the entire team/staff, so this was a big statement by Richardson that the Carolina Panthers are going in a new direction.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Sorry...I don't buy the "pacifying the fanbase" nonsense. He didn't give two ####s about the fanbase during the lockout.
pantherclub
Footballguy
are you high?
pantherclub
Footballguy
linkRichardson is extremely hands off
B-Deep
Footballguy
I saw that richardson/ jerry jones interview thing.
As a cowboys fan let me warn Panthers fans to keep your owner as far away from Jerry as possible. Jerry is not a good influence.
Even though Cam was a good pick, you do not want your owner thinking he can and should decide on players.
As a cowboys fan let me warn Panthers fans to keep your owner as far away from Jerry as possible. Jerry is not a good influence.
Even though Cam was a good pick, you do not want your owner thinking he can and should decide on players.
JFS171
Footballguy
This is accurate. Look at Hurney's record of draft picks. He can nail a first round pick - always been good at that. But rounds 2-5 are a complete coin flip with Hurney, and more often than not came up empty for the Panthers. I've followed this team since it's inception, and was at the age where I was just starting to get excited about the NFL when the Panthers came into existence. Hurney has been a problem for YEARS.
The problem with this organization is a 3-4 year streak of terrible drafting and salary cap management
As to Cowher, I'd be shocked if Richardson hired him as a coach/GM. The last time the organization brought in a GM/Coach in the same position, it ended very, VERY poorly (Seifert). Richardson seems to like the separation of Church and State.
As to predictions, I'd honestly be surprised if a big name was brought in. That's not Richardson's MO. He's got friends all over the league in front offices and owners boxes, and will thoroughly vet any new candidates. I would expect calls to Foxboro, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc. for recommendations. And I would think the new GM is someone we've barely heard of, if ever.
As to Rivera, I wasn't 100% on board with that hire in the first place, though I liked the ACs he brought in. The problem with the situation, however, is Rivera's complete lack of ability to reign in the assistants and ensure they follow the overall gameplan. Fox wasn't a great "coach" in the traditional sense, but he was amazing when it came to captaining the ship, determining the direction of the team, acting as a sort of CEO, and delegating to his assistants to execute that gameplan. He was overly conservative, which eventually became a problem. But he ensured the assistants followed the blueprint - Rivera hasn't done that AT ALL.
Barnwell over at Grantland nailed the problems with Hurney a few months ago... I'd encourage any skeptics of the move to read it.
As a franchise-long fan, I've been waiting for this day for a very long time... I'm on cloud 9.
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solorca
Footballguy
You don't know Richardson then. The fan base is always at the top of his priority list, almost to a fault. The lockout was a situation where he was playing hardball and the fans were screwed over as a side effect of the situation. Outside of that small period of time, he's been all about the fan base.
The sad truth about this move is that more changes (and more rebuilding) are coming in the near future. As a fan, it is highly frustrating to watch your team go through this year after year. Hurney's personnel moves have been puzzling to say the least over the past few seasons; I wonder if he got a little bit too comfortable.
I hope we bring in a GM who is ruthless and not loyal to players - a Jerry Reese type. You can't be afraid to let veterans go. We need someone fresh overlooking talent evaluation. There are pieces to build around; it's just a matter of using them the right way.
I hope we bring in a GM who is ruthless and not loyal to players - a Jerry Reese type. You can't be afraid to let veterans go. We need someone fresh overlooking talent evaluation. There are pieces to build around; it's just a matter of using them the right way.
JFS171
Footballguy
While I agree with the bolded, I was never confident in Hurney to get the job done in the first place. Following the 2-14 season, Richardson should have cleaned house. They specifically let bad money expire on their books in the uncapped year so they would have a fresh start moving forward. They entered last year with tons of $$ to spend, the #1 overall pick, etc. Hurney should have been let go with Fox, but instead was allowed to stay on. He then signed horrible contracts with DW, Charles Johnson, Olindo Mare, etc. He routinely wasted draft picks, took the wrong players, failed to address very real roster needs, etc.
At least with this move today, I'm more confident about the rebuild moving forward. This team NEVER posted back-to-back winning seasons during Marty Hurney's tenure. He needed to go to move forward. It's a year and a half too late, but it needed to be done regardless.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Did they play twice? The Cowboy team I saw barely got out with a win.
NCCommish
Footballguy
solorca
Footballguy
The Cowboys suck, Carolina sucks more. If Carolina would have spent the bye week re-evaluating the idiotic run option scheme, they would have easily won the game. Just because the game was close doesn't mean that Carolina wasn't outcoached I'll admit though, the Panthers coaching staff did less wrong yesterday than they have in most games this year (even though they were still horrible). I seem to recall Chudzinski doing a great job in Cleveland, turning the offense around, only to have it all completely fall apart as a result of getting overcomplicated the following year. It seems he's repeating the same thing in Carolina. Rivera is guilty by association, and by refusing to see the problems on offense and forcing a change.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
The Cowboys are supposed to be a contender, they should be pounding on Carolina, no offense.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah what I saw was two teams that both had problems. The Cowboys had slightly less of them. Not sure I would give them much credit.
solorca
Footballguy
The Cowboys are always supposed to be a contender. Saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
B-Deep
Footballguy
I actually agree. None the less, the Cowboys were a game from the playoffs last year and the panthers were 6-10 last year and only had one win coming in this year. The Cowboys should win those games easily.
SlaX
Footballguy
Unless you count 8-8 seasons as winning seasons, the team has NEVER posted back-to-back winning seasons since its inception.
lod01
Footballguy
The headscratching part is the guy doesn't even drink or use profanity, had a full NCAA investigation that came out clean, and by all reports puts in my hours than any other Panther.
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The Commish
Footballguy
I've watched him from day one and the lockout was the first time he had to choose between the fans and something else
He chose the something else.
simey
Footballguy
I've watched him from day one and the lockout was the first time he had to choose between the fans and something else
JFS171
Footballguy
True, but Hurney presided over the majority of the team's existence.Team started play in 1995, meaning this is it's 18th season. Hurney presided over 10.5 of those seasons... he wasn't without blame.I think the whole staff is gone, and frankly, depending on the new GM, wouldn't be shocked to see Newton traded if the offer was right (it'd have to be a HUGE offer, but I wouldn't be shocked). I agree with the earlier sentiment that the Panthers need a ruthless GM without blind loyalty to players. Team first, individual second - just like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, NY Giants, etc.
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