Parsons traded to Green Bay (3 Viewers)

[Willy]

For some reason, this move reminded me of a great Reggie White moment. Remember that time he threw Cris Carter at Warren Moon?

Generational talents do amazing things.

 

[Chaka]

Raiders fan here. Am I to understand that some Cowboys fans are happy about this trade?

Yep. They think it was a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry

More bull ****.
Unless you have a link?

I'm not trying to start anything, I am just sincerely curious about the pro-trade side from a Cowboys perspective.

I assume it's about the money.

The money is one thing
I posted here Numerous times last year “just trade him”.
It’s obvious to anyone paying attention he wasn’t liked by everyone in the locker room. Hooker called him out last year. Lawrence who was a team leader and great player got into it with Parsons on twitter as soon as he left Dallas.
Now hearing from people who are actually in the know about some behind the scenes stuff with Parsons I’m glad he’s gone. I wish we had gotten more in return but it is what it is

I remember Hooker's comments and Lawrence too. Parsons wants to be a brand, can't say I blame him. It's a path to insane generational wealth.

And, FTR Hooker should have kept that to himself and dealt with it in private, even if Parsons was talking out of school on his podcast.

Still, it feels like they were a better team today with him than without. And, the likelihood of them replacing Parsons with equivalent talent, even in numbers seems questionable.

But, it's done and week 4 is probably going to be the most watched game outside the Super Bowl this year.

 

[Joe Bryant]

With regard to spending money in other places beyond the cap:

I've not been to all the team's facilities, but I've been to the Cowboys' facility and stadium.

Opinions are subjective, but I'll say this: looking around at what they've built and guessing what it must have cost to build, the idea that they're not willing to spend money is the last thing I'd think.

My thought was, "I can see why players want to be here." I would say it's one of the top 5 in the league when it comes to Facilities and Stadium.

The NFLPA conducts an annual survey of players, asking them to rate their team. It's informal but seems to line up.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article/nflpa-report-cards-rankings-for-all-32-teams-211831678.html

I personally put weight on things like that, for where a team and ownership invest money they don't have to. I understand other people may not.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often in the NFL. It happens all the time in MLB or the NBA.

If you can’t win with a stud player you trade them at their peak value. Buy low. Sell high. Pretty standard stuff.

Dallas wasn’t winning with Micah. Pay him a ton of money and stay mediocre or try something else? Pretty obvious to me. So weird they’re getting crushed for it. Or not? It’s Jerry and the Cowboys.

Both things can be equally true:
Thing 1. Yes, your take is accurate. Sell high, buy low, all that stuff.

Thing 2. Jerruh isn’t some sort of savant mastermind who planned this out for the reasons you described. He’s more like the farmhand who was shoveling hay in the barn, tripped & fell out of the loft window, landed safely in a hay pile where he discovered bank robbers had hidden a bag of cash & gold.

So yeah - trading Parsons worked out for them financially. But IMO that well-reasoned approach you described is not at all applicable to what went down here, and folks are totally justified to crush DAL/Jerruh for it in that light.

 

[Terpman22]

PFT

Here’s an unsolicited text that arrived from a long-time agent during Friday’s edition of PFT Live:

“You have no idea how damaging this episode is for the Cowboys as it relates to the entire agent community. We all talk and nobody would ever willingly steer their clients to that team. Make no mistake, they’ve never been a honest or good organization, but since [Jerry] so brazenly disrespected and went behind the back of a top player’s top agent, they are in serious trouble moving forward. This is really one of those ‘time to take the car keys away’ moments.”

Ultimately, money goes a long way toward getting players and agents to do business with a team. But that could require the Cowboys to overpay to get the guys they want. No team should want to have to do that.

Ideally, a team becomes the obvious choice when the dollars are equal. Even better, a team wants to be the preferred destination, even if other teams are offering more.

Jerry’s insistence that agents are simply bystanders and not equal partners will not endear him to other agents. He has displayed — for months — a fundamental lack of respect for agent David Mulugheta. And, yes, other agents have noticed."

This right here is the important stuff. This is going to have a lasting effecf for the rest of the time Jerry is the owner/rest of his life as Cowboys owner.

And I keep hearing about all this extra cap space as if the Cowboys are big players in free agency to begin with.

What an end to the week

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

HFS. Two 1sts and Kenny Clark.

And at this point do we assume Dallas is eyeballing a rebuild or do they actually believe they just made their team better? I mean you only do this when you're ready to continue firesaling right?

And so bump the **** out of Dak and Lamb. And Jaydon Blue IMHO as I wouldn't be surprised if they moved Javonte for a ham sandwich.

They aren't getting a ham sandwich, come on.

Honestly, this feels like a lot more than I would have expected for Dallas. 2 1sts and a quality starter for a guy who wanted the biggest non-QB contract ever.

I don't see this as a firesale at all. If they felt Parsons wasn't going to play for them (and they felt he was using the back as an excuse) then yes, trading him makes them better.

Dak/Lamb/Pickens may have absolutely just become discount Burrow/Chase/Higgins. Well, Lamb isn't really discount (might honestly be better than Chase) but the idea is the same.

Kenny isn't so much a quality starter at this stage, maybe they can get a little juice out of him yet, but his best days are behind him.

While this is true he still was the best interior lineman they had.

Yes, but "was" is key. He fell off last year and I've seen guys go over the cliff, it happens fast. GB seems to have a knack for knowing when it's time to move on from a player.

I like Kenny and hope he's got some gas left in the tank, but I'm ok with him being the player to go along with the picks vs one of the young guys.

 

[Doubles]

Fantasy speaking, is the move to pick up GB DST? I drafted the Pats everywhere but GB wasn’t bad at all last season in my leagues.

While I was happy with Detroit as my base D, I swapped them out for GB as soon as I could get to a device upon hearing the news.

Thanks. Not sure if I missed the fantasy implications of the GB D side of the ball here. I think I should get them everywhere. Seeing Parsons’ defensive effect on Dallas’ D with him on the field; and without.

 

[Bankerguy]

This trade is a microcosm of Jerry and my Cowboys. Even when Jerry makes the right move, he still messes it up.

Trading Parsons was the right move, but at the wrong time and poorly conceived. No real evidence of a long term plan and Jerry being Jerry. Compensation was a little light, but not egregious. I’m personally not sad to see Parsons go.

Hey Jerry:

Why re-up Dak then?

Why not trade Parson’s pre draft?

Trade for futures, but claim all in?

Hire yet another puppet coach?

I don’t believe Parsons is:
Worth 47 million/year
A leader
Dominate player
Competent against the run

He is:
Freak athlete
Elite situational pass rusher
Individual contributor
Semi - over rated
Not a leader of men or a dawg

This is exactly why I have been on a Cowboys sabbatical since the last year.

Edit - Also, if Jerry signed this guy for 47 million he would have been crucified by most in our fanbase. The media would also jump on it.

I’m by no means defending Jerry. The media loves to attack whichever side.

 

[Terpman22]

This trade is a microcosm of Jerry and my Cowboys. Even when Jerry makes the right move, he still messes it up.

Trading Parsons was the right move, but at the wrong time and poorly conceived. No real evidence a long term plan and Jerry being Jerry. Compensation was a little light, but not egregious. I’m personally not sad to see Parsons go.

Hey Jerry:

Why re-up Dak then?

Why not trade Parson’s pre draft?

Trade for futures, but claim all in?

Hire yet another puppet coach?

I don’t believe Parsons is:
Worth 47 million/year
A leader
Dominate player
Competent against the run

He is:
Freak athlete
Elite situational pass rusher
Individual contributor
Semi - over rated
Not a leader of men or a dawg

This is exactly why I have been on a Cowboys sabbatical since the last year.

So all I can say about Jerry is that if they literally did a full tear down re build - the team would be talked about in a negative way or namely not paid attention to at all.

I think he is chasing those euphoric highs and while he would love to win another Super Bowl, I personally believe IMO, that those Quincy Carter days and post Emmitt Smith when they were just a door mat until Bill Parcells found Tony Romo mid aughts and once they were "relevant" again, he has been doing anything/everything to keep them in the news.

Just my personal take, bc the drum I've been beating re: Jerry is nothing makes logical sense

 

[travdogg]

HFS. Two 1sts and Kenny Clark.

And at this point do we assume Dallas is eyeballing a rebuild or do they actually believe they just made their team better? I mean you only do this when you're ready to continue firesaling right?

And so bump the **** out of Dak and Lamb. And Jaydon Blue IMHO as I wouldn't be surprised if they moved Javonte for a ham sandwich.

They aren't getting a ham sandwich, come on.

Honestly, this feels like a lot more than I would have expected for Dallas. 2 1sts and a quality starter for a guy who wanted the biggest non-QB contract ever.

I don't see this as a firesale at all. If they felt Parsons wasn't going to play for them (and they felt he was using the back as an excuse) then yes, trading him makes them better.

Dak/Lamb/Pickens may have absolutely just become discount Burrow/Chase/Higgins. Well, Lamb isn't really discount (might honestly be better than Chase) but the idea is the same.

Kenny isn't so much a quality starter at this stage, maybe they can get a little juice out of him yet, but his best days are behind him.

While this is true he still was the best interior lineman they had.

Yes, but "was" is key. He fell off last year and I've seen guys go over the cliff, it happens fast. GB seems to have a knack for knowing when it's time to move on from a player.

I like Kenny and hope he's got some gas left in the tank, but I'm ok with him being the player to go along with the picks vs one of the young guys.

Yeah, I agree he's no longer a difference maker, but I think he's still at least a starting caliber guy. I'd probably consider him the equivalent of like a late 3rd/early 4th rounder.

 

[fatness]

Micah Parsons:

“In March, I met with Mr. Jones to talk about leadership,” Parsons, 26, said in his initial trade request. “Somehow the conversation turned into him talking contract with me. Yes I engaged in a back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a formal negotiation and I informed Mr. Jones afterward my agent would reach out thinking this would get things done.

“But when my agent reached out and spoke to [ESPN’s] Adam [Schefter] he was told the deal was pretty much already done. My agent of course told him that wasn’t the case and also reached out to Stephen Jones. Again the team decided to go silent.”

 

[travdogg]

Fantasy speaking, is the move to pick up GB DST? I drafted the Pats everywhere but GB wasn’t bad at all last season in my leagues.

While I was happy with Detroit as my base D, I swapped them out for GB as soon as I could get to a device upon hearing the news.

Thanks. Not sure if I missed the fantasy implications of the GB D side of the ball here. I think I should get them everywhere. Seeing Parsons’ defensive effect on Dallas’ D with him on the field; and without.

Of note with GB, the schedule is awful for them. Det/Was the 1st 2 weeks, then Cle, then Dal, then bye week, then Cin. I don't know how much I want a D I'm only gonna feel great about starting once, maybe twice, in the first 6 weeks.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

This right here is the important stuff. This is going to have a lasting effecf for the rest of the time Jerry is the owner/rest of his life as Cowboys owner.

Time will tell

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Yes, but "was" is key. He fell off last year and I've seen guys go over the cliff, it happens fast. GB seems to have a knack for knowing when it's time to move on from a player.

I read he hurt his foot in week one and it bothered him the rest of the year. Obviously I don’t know if that’s true or not

 

[massraider]

While this is true he still was the best interior lineman they had.

Without a doubt. And he may be a useful DT for a while longer yet.

But this is definition of sell high. He's 30 this year and has big salaries the next two years. If he didn't have a great 2025, the Packers were cutting him. (2026 $31 mill cap number.)

Now the Cowboys have taken on 20 mill cap numbers for 31/32 year old Kenny Clark. He is 50/50 to be on the team 2 years from now. Packers can eat all of the dead Clark money this year, and gain 31 mill in cap space in 2026.

Just want to throw this out there for whenever the real numbers get announced: Very good chance that Parsons cap number in 2026 is close to what the Pack was carrying for Clark (31 mill).

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Edit - Also, if Jerry signed this guy for 47 million he would have been crucified by most in our fanbase. The media would also jump on it.

No doubt

And as a Boys fan since the 70s, I’d rather get what we got than give him the money GB did

 

[Terpman22]

Heard on a podcast this is the first time in NFL History a player made the Pro Bowl his first 4 years and on the 5th year he was on a different team.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

 

[LawFitz]

https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1961443900092022843

March 5 — Maxx Crosby signs three-year, $106.5M deal ($35.5M APY)
March 9 — Myles Garrett signs four-year, $160M deal ($40.0M APY)
July 17 — T.J. Watt signs three-year, $123M deal ($41.0M APY)
August 28 — Micah Parsons agrees to four-year, $188M deal ($47M APY)

I mean, there ya go. Sign your studs as fast as you can

Wow. Raiders were genius to get ahead of this curve. Maxx keeps signing value deals for what he brings to the team. He is right in line with the other three in terms of game-changing impact.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

Yes, but "was" is key. He fell off last year and I've seen guys go over the cliff, it happens fast. GB seems to have a knack for knowing when it's time to move on from a player.

I read he hurt his foot in week one and it bothered him the rest of the year. Obviously I don’t know if that’s true or not

Yes, the foot injury hampered him much of last year . I don't think he's totally washed, but i also don't think he's going to produce like he had. Last year was a very down year and maybe he'll return to form, but I'm not so sure. He's older, paid a lot of money, and with all the young talent (some the jury is still out on though) seemed like the right guy to me if that's what it took to get the deal done.

He's likely not a liability, but we won't know how much of his down year was injury until we see him on the field. He will be a great locker room guy though.

I really liked him as a Packer, but seems the perfect time to move on. I do wish him success, just not week 4

 

[massraider]

Wow. Raiders were genius to get ahead of this curve. Maxx keeps signing value deals for what he brings to the team. He is right in line with the other three in terms of game-changing impact.

Giving him that 2nd deal so fast was GD genius. No one really talked about it much, but the Raiders had him signed for two more years--and gave him that deal. That 2nd deal also has no void years,

His cap number is 38 mill this year, then goes DOWN for the next 4 years, and after 2026, the Raiders have Crosby on a series of one year contracts for less than 30 mill. With no dead cap.

I would bet there is no other player of his caliber that has as team-friendly a deal as Maxx does.

 

[LawFitz]

Yes, but "was" is key. He fell off last year and I've seen guys go over the cliff, it happens fast. GB seems to have a knack for knowing when it's time to move on from a player.

I read he hurt his foot in week one and it bothered him the rest of the year. Obviously I don’t know if that’s true or not

Yes, the foot injury hampered him much of last year . I don't think he's totally washed, but i also don't think he's going to produce like he had. Last year was a very down year and maybe he'll return to form, but I'm not so sure. He's older, paid a lot of money, and with all the young talent (some the jury is still out on though) seemed like the right guy to me if that's what it took to get the deal done.

He's likely not a liability, but we won't know how much of his down year was injury until we see him on the field. He will be a great locker room guy though.

I really liked him as a Packer, but seems the perfect time to move on. I do wish him success, just not week 4

Money trail says Clark was thrown into this deal b/c he's playing on a 1-yr $2.3 MM contract, with team options for 2026-27 in the low $20MM per year range, should he return to prior form. He's potentially a very declining asset with a very team-friendly contract should he go in either direction. The problem I have with this is peeps who seem to be valuing him as if this were 2022/23. Those days may or may not be long gone, but they certainly aren't sure to be back... And if not, you gotta wonder what Clark's value was at this moment - based on last year, I'd suggest 4rd-5th rounder at best.

So basically, the Cowboys traded Parsons for two (highly likely) low 1st rounders, plus a late pick. That's worse than what the Raiders received for Mack, considering they picked the Bears (over the Packers) b/c they were/are the Bears and the picks were likely to be mid-high 1sts. Heard an analyst say this morning they received $.60 on the dollar for Parson's actual value, which sounds right. And awful.

All of this just reeks of the BS I saw from the Raiders during the last 20 years of Al Davis' life - which they are still trying to turn the corner on a decade and a half after his death... The parallels between Jerruh and Al are remarkable in so many ways.

 

[massraider]

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[Joe Schmo]

1

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

To keep the ball rolling, since the 2000 season 15 of 16 NFC teams have made at least one NFC Conference Championship game. The only one not to is the Dallas Cowboys. 13 of the 15 teams went to at least 2 games.

In the NFC East, NFCC Gm records:
Phil: 4-4
NYG: 3-0
Wash: 0-1
Dal: 0-0

That's a long 25 year track record of a not winning team and yet it has the "stability" of the same GM running the organization for that time period. Definition of insanity=Cowboys.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'll reserve judgment on this deal until I see what Dallas does with the picks. Jerry has been more miss than hit on his drafting recently so Green Bay will probably win the deal in the long run.

 

[Da Franchise]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

 

[IHEARTFF]

1

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

To keep the ball rolling, since the 2000 season 15 of 16 NFC teams have made at least one NFC Conference Championship game. The only one not to is the Dallas Cowboys. 13 of the 15 teams went to at least 2 games.

In the NFC East, NFCC Gm records:
Phil: 4-4
NYG: 3-0
Wash: 0-1
Dal: 0-0

That's a long 25 year track record of a not winning team and yet it has the "stability" of the same GM running the organization for that time period. Definition of insanity=Cowboys.

Dallas has had a + point differential in 14 of the last 20 seasons with a record well over .500. They're a pretty consistent winning team, but clearly they have not done well post season during that time.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

 

[Da Franchise]

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[Da Franchise]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

 

[Joe Schmo]

1

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

To keep the ball rolling, since the 2000 season 15 of 16 NFC teams have made at least one NFC Conference Championship game. The only one not to is the Dallas Cowboys. 13 of the 15 teams went to at least 2 games.

In the NFC East, NFCC Gm records:
Phil: 4-4
NYG: 3-0
Wash: 0-1
Dal: 0-0

That's a long 25 year track record of a not winning team and yet it has the "stability" of the same GM running the organization for that time period. Definition of insanity=Cowboys.

Dallas has had a + point differential in 14 of the last 20 seasons with a record well over .500. They're a pretty consistent winning team, but clearly they have not done well post season during that time.

Yes, when it matters most the Cowboys come up small while every other franchise has found a way to rise to the top at least once. Good for the Cowboys on the point differential, they should be awarded the participation trophy for the case.

 

[IHEARTFF]

1

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

To keep the ball rolling, since the 2000 season 15 of 16 NFC teams have made at least one NFC Conference Championship game. The only one not to is the Dallas Cowboys. 13 of the 15 teams went to at least 2 games.

In the NFC East, NFCC Gm records:
Phil: 4-4
NYG: 3-0
Wash: 0-1
Dal: 0-0

That's a long 25 year track record of a not winning team and yet it has the "stability" of the same GM running the organization for that time period. Definition of insanity=Cowboys.

Dallas has had a + point differential in 14 of the last 20 seasons with a record well over .500. They're a pretty consistent winning team, but clearly they have not done well post season during that time.

Yes, when it matters most the Cowboys come up small while every other franchise has found a way to rise to the top at least once. Good for the Cowboys on the point differential, they should be awarded the participation trophy for the case.

If we're getting technical, the top is the top. And if you're not NE, KC, Philly, Baltimore, or a few others, then you've had a bad 21st century.

 

[Joe Schmo]

1

Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.

Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.

You don’t need to pay for the premium acct to know who’s at the bottom of this list:

Fewest Playoff Wins This Century

At least the three teams immediately below them (Washington, Detroit, Chicago) seem to have a plan to get out of the cellar. That leaves Dallas hanging around with Miami and Cleveland. What is the common denominator with those teams?

To keep the ball rolling, since the 2000 season 15 of 16 NFC teams have made at least one NFC Conference Championship game. The only one not to is the Dallas Cowboys. 13 of the 15 teams went to at least 2 games.

In the NFC East, NFCC Gm records:
Phil: 4-4
NYG: 3-0
Wash: 0-1
Dal: 0-0

That's a long 25 year track record of a not winning team and yet it has the "stability" of the same GM running the organization for that time period. Definition of insanity=Cowboys.

Dallas has had a + point differential in 14 of the last 20 seasons with a record well over .500. They're a pretty consistent winning team, but clearly they have not done well post season during that time.

Yes, when it matters most the Cowboys come up small while every other franchise has found a way to rise to the top at least once. Good for the Cowboys on the point differential, they should be awarded the participation trophy for the case.

If we're getting technical, the top is the top. And if you're not NE, KC, Philly, Baltimore, or a few others, then you've had a bad 21st century.

True, but the Cowboys are closer to the Browns than to those teams by that same metric.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Micah Parsons:

“In March, I met with Mr. Jones to talk about leadership,” Parsons, 26, said in his initial trade request. “Somehow the conversation turned into him talking contract with me. Yes I engaged in a back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a formal negotiation and I informed Mr. Jones afterward my agent would reach out thinking this would get things done.

“But when my agent reached out and spoke to [ESPN’s] Adam [Schefter] he was told the deal was pretty much already done. My agent of course told him that wasn’t the case and also reached out to Stephen Jones. Again the team decided to go silent.”

I've seen Dez Bryant and Romo talking about Jerry doing this to them, and Andrew Brandt talked about it on his podcast this morning - he called it "hotboxing" a player. Romo spoke about Jones and Parcells intimidating him outside the presence of his agent and threatening to not play him if he didn't sign. In my profession, speaking to a counter-party outside the presence of his representation is sanctionable conduct - absolutely forbidden and something that could destroy a career.

 

[massraider]

I've seen Dez Bryant and Romo talking about Jerry doing this to them, and Andrew Bryant talked about it on his podcast this morning - he called it "hotboxing" a player. Romo spoke about Jones and Parcells intimidating him outside the presence of his agent and threatening to not play him if he didn't sign. In my profession, speaking to a counter-party outside the presence of his representation is sanctionable conduct - absolutely forbidden and something that could destroy a career.

NFL rules are clear on this, and Jerry broke them.

 

[Ilov80s]

I said earlier in the summer that I think the Cowboys could end up being one of the worst teams in the league and their Schotty could be a 1 and done disaster of a HC. This certainly adds to that concerns. Pickens is still a great value but I am not touching anyone else in Dalls.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".

 

[LawFitz]

Pickens is still a great value

I'm not sold on this. If the team spirals, he's a prime cancer candidate. Also not convinced having a bad D is good for this offense. Dak/Lamb/Pickens <> Burrow/Chase/Higgins if/when wheels fall off and running game becomes moot. Poor version of Cincy is the best case scenario, but there's a different, ugly, meltdown scenario for this whole team... A lot will depend on whether they rally around the loss of Micah or become pouty and divided.

 

[Da Franchise]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".

Did you read it? He cites the NFLPA and includes direct links to the NFLPA twitter account where the data was hosted. Again, he’s far from the only person documenting this.

Spotrac and overthecap are generally very good sources but they are still just third party aggregators at the end of the day. Maybe they are measuring something different. Don’t know.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".

Did you read it? He cites the NFLPA and includes direct links to the NFLPA twitter account.

Yes, I read it. The NFLPA Twitter post he cited was from 2016.

It's interesting, and I'm not saying the anonymous blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there. Thanks.

 

[Ilov80s]

Pickens is still a great value

I'm not sold on this. If the team spirals, he's a prime cancer candidate. Also not convinced having a bad D is good for this offense. Dak/Lamb/Pickens <> Burrow/Chase/Higgins if/when wheels fall off and running game becomes moot. Poor version of Cincy is the best case scenario, but there's a different, ugly, meltdown scenario for this whole team... A lot will depend on whether they rally around the loss of Micah or become pouty and divided.

I agree, the wheels fall off and Pickens could become a problem but he's coming with a 5th round price tag around players like Calvin Ridley and Jerry Jeudy who could just find themselves on dysfunctional offenses with poor rookie QB play. Pickens carries bust risk with him but he's also a player who has shown improvement getting paired with the best QB and offense of his career. In 2023, Dak threw for 4500 yards and Lamb had an even better season than Chase just had. In the 5th round, I am willing to take the gamble on getting a piece of a narrow 4000 yard passing attack even if there a meltdown scenario in play.

 

[Da Franchise]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".

Did you read it? He cites the NFLPA and includes direct links to the NFLPA twitter account.

Yes, I read it. The NFLPA Twitter post he cited was from 2016.

It's interesting, and I'm not saying the blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there. Thanks.

Then you clearly missed something because the NFLPA links directly to info for 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2021, 2022, and 2023. The other years relies on Jason LaCanfora reporting, which is also linked.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.

Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.

Those links don’t seem to work but I’ve seen Spotrac and Overthecap’s cash numbers and I have no idea how they are calculating them because they are incorrect.

Here is a good breakdown using figures provided by the NFLPA: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...hen-jones-family-cash-spend-prorate-contracts

There are a number of twitter accounts that have monitored it as well. Joey Ickes is the best I’ve found. He’s a financial analyst who is a Cowboys fan and has done a great job tracking it.

It’s not an opinion. The Cowboys have become one of the cheapest teams in the league in terms of cash outlay and have been for some time.

The link from OverTheCap isn't working for you?

Cash Spending | Over the Cap

NFL cash spending and payroll estimates

overthecap.com

It's working for me.

You're saying Over The Cap is wrong?

Correct. The info I shared is straight from the NFLPA. It’s been well chronicled.

Thanks. That's interesting. The info you shared was a 2024 blog post from "one cool customer". I'm not saying your blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there.

I don't know if there's a tracking for overall spending in the business but I'd be interested in the finances on how teams spend overall also including Facilities and Stadium.

I realize others may not agree, but I factor that as well when I say whether a team is "under investing".

Did you read it? He cites the NFLPA and includes direct links to the NFLPA twitter account.

Yes, I read it. The NFLPA Twitter post he cited was from 2016.

It's interesting, and I'm not saying the blogger is wrong. But I have always put stock in Over The Cap's numbers and I know many do. I will see what more I can find there. Thanks.

Then you clearly missed something because the NFLPA links directly to info for 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2021, 2022, and 2023. The other years relies on Jason LaCanfora reporting, which is also linked.

Thanks. Always possible. I'll continue to look. I've got a call into Over The Cap to see more on their end. I know they'll be interested to hear people think their numbers are incorrect. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[LawFitz]

Pickens is still a great value

I'm not sold on this. If the team spirals, he's a prime cancer candidate. Also not convinced having a bad D is good for this offense. Dak/Lamb/Pickens <> Burrow/Chase/Higgins if/when wheels fall off and running game becomes moot. Poor version of Cincy is the best case scenario, but there's a different, ugly, meltdown scenario for this whole team... A lot will depend on whether they rally around the loss of Micah or become pouty and divided.

I agree, the wheels fall off and Pickens could become a problem but he's coming with a 5th round price tag around players like Calvin Ridley and Jerry Jeudy who could just find themselves on dysfunctional offenses with poor rookie QB play. Pickens carries bust risk with him but he's also a player who has shown improvement getting paired with the best QB and offense of his career. In 2023, Dak threw for 4500 yards and Lamb had an even better season than Chase just had. In the 5th round, I am willing to take the gamble on getting a piece of a narrow 4000 yard passing attack even if there a meltdown scenario in play.

Fair enough. Sematics, but I don't consider him a 'great value.' Fair value, maybe, depending on how you stack odds between upside and meltdown scenarios.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

And on the 7th day, God made the Cowboys.

This will never, ever get old. I was sad when the Cowboys and McCarthy parted ways because, well, McCarthy. But Jerry is King Trainwreck. Love it.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

21 different teams have played in the Super Bowl since the Cowboys last did.

ETA: 24 corrected to 21.

 

[eighsse2]

24 different teams have played in the Super Bowl since the Cowboys last did.

I'm 36. The Cowboys have played in a Super Bowl??

 

[packdog]

if you count micah's current year left on the contract the total investment for the pack is $210m for 5 years of service. 42m average

 

[wgoldsph]

This might have been posted and I missed it... Does anyone know roughly the WAR for Parsons? In that case what does the metric of "success" become? Does he need to increase GB win total by an entire game? Genuinely asking because I don't have any answers.

Also for those who are "sky is falling" about the cap... In two years this won't even crack the top five for non-qb contracts. Signing a player NOW has only ever backfired during the COVID season when the cap shrank. Even if the contract is insane, it just means parity will kick in eventually and every starting DE is going to want close to those numbers. Yes GB paid a ton now for an open 2 year window. But that "ton" is going to be "more than average" fairly soon, and that window involves a generational pass rusher. It's been said before, but maybe Dallas can use one of those two picks to find a generational pass rusher, but in all likelihood every blue chip can't miss prospect will be long gone before those GB firsts. You will never in a million years convince me that the cap situation matters more than skill when the Saints basically ignored it through out Bree's career.

 

[packdog]

This might have been posted and I missed it... Does anyone know roughly the WAR for Parsons? In that case what does the metric of "success" become? Does he need to increase GB win total by an entire game? Genuinely asking because I don't have any answers.

Also for those who are "sky is falling" about the cap... In two years this won't even crack the top five for non-qb contracts. Signing a player NOW has only ever backfired during the COVID season when the cap shrank. Even if the contract is insane, it just means parity will kick in eventually and every starting DE is going to want close to those numbers. Yes GB paid a ton now for an open 2 year window. But that "ton" is going to be "more than average" fairly soon, and that window involves a generational pass rusher. It's been said before, but maybe Dallas can use one of those two picks to find a generational pass rusher, but in all likelihood every blue chip can't miss prospect will be long gone before those GB firsts. You will never in a million years convince me that the cap situation matters more than skill when the Saints basically ignored it through out Bree's career.

the WAR is 2 since 2021. trailing only garret for defensive players