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Parsons traded to Green Bay (3 Viewers)

I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:

They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.

They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.

As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.

Thanks. We'll differ there.

I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.

I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.

Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
Do you know who Jane Slater is?
Sure. Dallas Cowboys reporter always on the NFL Network. I believe I first learned about her from the way she found out her husband was cheating on her. She's plugged in.
 
I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:

They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.

They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.

As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.

Thanks. We'll differ there.

I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.

I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.

Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
Do you know who Jane Slater is?
Sure. Dallas Cowboys reporter always on the NFL Network. I believe I first learned about her from the way she found out her husband was cheating on her. She's plugged in.

Classy as usual.
 
I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:

They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.

They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.

As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.

Thanks. We'll differ there.

I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.

I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.

Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
Do you know who Jane Slater is?
Sure. Dallas Cowboys reporter always on the NFL Network. I believe I first learned about her from the way she found out her husband was cheating on her. She's plugged in.

Classy as usual.
I'm being honest, but I'm sure you have a point for brining her up - what the "75% of the locker room would agree with this take" ? Sure, so that leaves what 13 players or so that are not for it. The players will get a chance to speak today we will see how the tone goes.

As for the city of Dallas, I have family there, they are telling me the whole city "is sad" and its tough to take after the Luka stuff earlier in the year (they have season tickets)

This was a big one buddy.
 
I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:

They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.

They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.

As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.

Thanks. We'll differ there.

I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.

I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.

Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
Do you know who Jane Slater is?
Sure. Dallas Cowboys reporter always on the NFL Network. I believe I first learned about her from the way she found out her husband was cheating on her. She's plugged in.
Wow 🙄

Watch her interview from GMFB this morning when you have a few minutes and see if your mind is changed on some things you’ve been spouting in here
 
I'm being honest, but I'm sure you have a point for brining her up - what the "75% of the locker room would agree with this take" ? Sure, so that leaves what 13 players or so that are not for it.
Never mind what I said. I’m sure you know more about what’s going on with the Dallas Cowboys than Jane Slater. My bad, carry on
 
I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:

They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.

They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.

As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.

Thanks. We'll differ there.

I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.

I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.

Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
Do you know who Jane Slater is?
Sure. Dallas Cowboys reporter always on the NFL Network. I believe I first learned about her from the way she found out her husband was cheating on her. She's plugged in.
Wow 🙄

Watch her interview from GMFB this morning when you have a few minutes and see if your mind is changed on some things you’ve been spouting in here

He doesn't know WTF hes talking about. Actual Cowboys fans aren't heartbroken but this his dude is putting out propaganda like hes the Iraqi minister of misinformation.



"It's a big one buddy" Still talking about Paying Zeke. Wild boy! . :lmao: Acting like this is the Kennedy assassination. GTFO :lmao:
 
I'm being honest, but I'm sure you have a point for brining her up - what the "75% of the locker room would agree with this take" ? Sure, so that leaves what 13 players or so that are not for it.
Never mind what I said. I’m sure you know more about what’s going on with the Dallas Cowboys than Jane Slater. My bad, carry on
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.

We both know Jerry did this to himself my dragging out the negotiations of many star players.

I did the same thing when LeSean McCoy got traded, I talked myself into it.

"Not a bad thing, hes just a Running back"

Not exactly the same, but we all collectively hate chip kelly bc of that and what he did with Desean Jackson.
 
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.
There’s no trick here and I don’t believe I’ve said that. Both sides are to blame for this played out

I was just trying to give you an idea of how most if not all that you’ve written on the subject is bull **** 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.
There’s no trick here and I don’t believe I’ve said that. Both sides are to blame for this played out

I was just trying to give you an idea of how most if not all that you’ve written on the subject is bull **** 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just listened/watched the interview. I get the point you're trying to make.

The locker room was questionable of him.

He marches to the beat of his own drum.

Micah wants to be celebrated.

Maybe, and I know this sounds crazy, but maybe if Jerry had paid this guy when he was FIRST eligible for an extension, this never would have happened maybe?

Sure both sides are to blame here, but if I were to assign blame, we are looking like 75/25 here. They both did things to antagonize one another.

Hey maybe he just wanted his first name pronounced correctly and not be called "Michael" we may never know.

But the whole Jerry saying Mommy/Daddy/Little Rascal analogy - I guess the Packers are the Foster Home that were willing to give the Little Rascal what he wanted and probably what he actually deserved.
 
Of course there's some risk committing a huge amount of guaranteed $$ to one player for several years, but one thing to consider about the "mortgaging the future" angle is that the Packers turned an aging Aaron Rodgers into six players just two years ago, four of whom are starters or solid contributors and one of which is a valuable OL depth piece. They turned the Adams trade into one starter (Walker) and used the other pick to trade up for Christian Watson, their best WR if he can get healthy. All of these players are still on their rookie contracts. So for me if we're getting into semantics its more like drawing down some home equity rather than mortgaging. It is pretty shocking from the perspective of a Packers fan as they have been somewhat (in)famously conservative since the Ron Wolf days in the 90's.

I feel like the starting point on any trade offers for a player of this quality is two first round picks, and the only question was what else you have to put into the deal to get him. I love Kenny Clark. He's been a great Packer for a decade, but is coming of the worst season of his career (by far), in part due to injury. I expect him to bounce back and have a good season but I am stunned that he was the throw-in piece as I would have expected the Packers would have to give up at least one of their proven young players as the sweetener if not two. I don't see any reasonable conclusion to be drawn from this other than that the Joneses completely botched this transition.
 
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.
There’s no trick here and I don’t believe I’ve said that. Both sides are to blame for this played out

I was just trying to give you an idea of how most if not all that you’ve written on the subject is bull **** 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just listened/watched the interview. I get the point you're trying to make.

The locker room was questionable of him.

He marches to the beat of his own drum.

Micah wants to be celebrated.

Maybe, and I know this sounds crazy, but maybe if Jerry had paid this guy when he was FIRST eligible for an extension, this never would have happened maybe?

Sure both sides are to blame here, but if I were to assign blame, we are looking like 75/25 here. They both did things to antagonize one another.

Hey maybe he just wanted his first name pronounced correctly and not be called "Michael" we may never know.

But the whole Jerry saying Mommy/Daddy/Little Rascal analogy - I guess the Packers are the Foster Home that were willing to give the Little Rascal what he wanted and probably what he actually deserved.
This dude is gonna get Reggie love in Green Bay if he plays like we've seen in his career. If he wants respect, love, pats on the back it shouldn't be an issue anymore.
 
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.
There’s no trick here and I don’t believe I’ve said that. Both sides are to blame for this played out

I was just trying to give you an idea of how most if not all that you’ve written on the subject is bull **** 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just listened/watched the interview. I get the point you're trying to make.

The locker room was questionable of him.

He marches to the beat of his own drum.

Micah wants to be celebrated.

Maybe, and I know this sounds crazy, but maybe if Jerry had paid this guy when he was FIRST eligible for an extension, this never would have happened maybe?

Sure both sides are to blame here, but if I were to assign blame, we are looking like 75/25 here. They both did things to antagonize one another.

Hey maybe he just wanted his first name pronounced correctly and not be called "Michael" we may never know.

But the whole Jerry saying Mommy/Daddy/Little Rascal analogy - I guess the Packers are the Foster Home that were willing to give the Little Rascal what he wanted and probably what he actually deserved.
I’ll give you credit for watching and posting.
There’s more to it. Garrett said this morning that Parsons has always been a great practice player when the cameras are in training camp then not so much when the season starts. He just wants to play on Sundays
Maybe Dallas is better off without him. Maybe not
 
I'll watch it, but if the trick here is to get me coming away with "Wow Dallas made a good move" its not gonna work.
There’s no trick here and I don’t believe I’ve said that. Both sides are to blame for this played out

I was just trying to give you an idea of how most if not all that you’ve written on the subject is bull **** 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just listened/watched the interview. I get the point you're trying to make.

The locker room was questionable of him.

He marches to the beat of his own drum.

Micah wants to be celebrated.

Maybe, and I know this sounds crazy, but maybe if Jerry had paid this guy when he was FIRST eligible for an extension, this never would have happened maybe?

Sure both sides are to blame here, but if I were to assign blame, we are looking like 75/25 here. They both did things to antagonize one another.

Hey maybe he just wanted his first name pronounced correctly and not be called "Michael" we may never know.

But the whole Jerry saying Mommy/Daddy/Little Rascal analogy - I guess the Packers are the Foster Home that were willing to give the Little Rascal what he wanted and probably what he actually deserved.
I’ll give you credit for watching and posting.
There’s more to it. Garrett said this morning that Parsons has always been a great practice player when the cameras are in training camp then not so much when the season starts. He just wants to play on Sundays
Maybe Dallas is better off without him. Maybe not
Who is Garrett?
 
Raiders fan here. Am I to understand that some Cowboys fans are happy about this trade?
Yep. They think it was a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry
More bull ****.
Unless you have a link?
Just go back and read this thread.

I don't think many are saying it's a "a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry".

I think some are saying they don't love it for Green Bay as it was a lot to pay and give up. Some are saying they don't hate it for Dallas not putting that much money into Parsons.

Social media loves to paint "the other" side as incompetent or delusional or stupid. For whatever reasons, some people love to hate Dallas. A few others teams get that treatment too.

Threads like this can be good when they focus on football. They're not good when they spiral down to the normal snark and condescension usual in social media.

We do better I think keeping it more on football. Let's please do that.
 
Man, Jones just needs to get out of his own way. I think the Packers did great here—but even the Cowboys fans that are a fan of the trade need to admit that the chaotic way that it went down makes it so even trying to spin it that way feel like a cope. The Cowboys just seem like an organization where there is no elegance or professionalism at all when it comes to player/personnel issues—and in the rare times they actually might make a smart move—the lack of elegance still makes them look like a joke.
 
Raiders fan here. Am I to understand that some Cowboys fans are happy about this trade?
Yep. They think it was a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry
More bull ****.
Unless you have a link?
Just go back and read this thread.

I don't think many are saying it's a "a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry".

I think some are saying they don't love it for Green Bay as it was a lot to pay and give up. Some are saying they don't hate it for Dallas not putting that much money into Parsons.

Social media loves to paint "the other" side as incompetent or delusional or stupid. For whatever reasons, some people love to hate Dallas. A few others teams get that treatment too.

Threads like this can be good when they focus on football. They're not good when they spiral down to the normal snark and condescension usual in social media.

We do better I think keeping it more on football. Let's please do that.
Huh? I’m not the person who created the snarky tone in this thread.

But whatevs, I’ll just duck out and enjoy Parsons being in Green Bay.
 
At first glance and in my opinion it sure appears Packer are a solid #3 now in NFC rankings. So much on Love now. He has the roster to do something if he can take a step forward. Gonna be interesting to watch unfold. Is this one of those scenarios, with this roster, that if he fails now, they may look to move on from him?
Who is Love going to throw to?
 
As a Packers' fan I'm super stoked about this trade. Not concerned, at all with the picks the Packers gave up. Clark's leadership loss will be felt more than anything. Great locker room dude and was a very good player for the Packers. Though I don't think he was a great fit in Hafley's defense and was just ok last year. I wish nothing but the best for Clark in Dallas.

The Packers' future salary cap is more concerning, but only slightly as the cap keeps going up and most of GB's young talent is locked up. Guessing guys like Doubs and maybe Quay will be gone after this season but they have guys that can step into those spots. One thing they have going for them is Russ Ball is a cap genius and will be able to figure it out.

Ultra talented guys don't come available often and I'm stoked the Packers went for it. Maybe this works and maybe it doesn't but the fact they are throwing punches rather than sitting back and taking the conservative approach, like they almost always have historically done, is what Packer nation is excited about.
 
At first glance and in my opinion it sure appears Packer are a solid #3 now in NFC rankings. So much on Love now. He has the roster to do something if he can take a step forward. Gonna be interesting to watch unfold. Is this one of those scenarios, with this roster, that if he fails now, they may look to move on from him?
Who is Love going to throw to?
They have such a weird wr room. When you look at it, they have talent. They just have a bunch of wr3 type guys and no wr1 or even wr2 type guys. So to answer your question. Who the heck knows. Ha ha
 
I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.
 
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At first glance and in my opinion it sure appears Packer are a solid #3 now in NFC rankings. So much on Love now. He has the roster to do something if he can take a step forward. Gonna be interesting to watch unfold. Is this one of those scenarios, with this roster, that if he fails now, they may look to move on from him?
Who is Love going to throw to?
They have such a weird wr room. When you look at it, they have talent. They just have a bunch of wr3 type guys and no wr1 or even wr2 type guys. So to answer your question. Who the heck knows. Ha ha
Golden is getting talked up like crazy, you'd think he'd be the preseason darling but he's slipping under the radar a little. Maybe due to fantasy people focusing on Egbuka and Bill as the hot tickets at the moment
 
Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.
Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.
 
Dating myself here but some of these takes keep reminding me of the Charlie Bucket quote "You know... I bet those golden tickets make the chocolate taste terrible." Lol, just having some fun.

TBH I see both sides, though I do think it's a huge W for the Packers. It's just that doesn't automatically make it a huge L for the Cowboys; doesn't have to be a definitive IF/THEN correlation like that. If I had to point at an L anywhere for the Cowboys, it would have to go back to last season and not extending Parsons then. Feels like they made up their mind at that point they were ok with losing him; especially seeing the quote they expected him to play on the option this year.

And really, this brings me back to last year, prior to the DK trade. I really wonder if the Steelers could have netted similar compensation for Watt and pushed into a rebuild; and if that would have put us in a better place moving forward then we are now. It's hard as a fan not to get optimistic as I do think we wound up putting together a competitive roster for this year and should at least be fun to watch. But OTOH, now we got Heyward sitting out and threatening to miss season games...

To throw some fantasy into the thread; I do think this is a bump for all the Dallas offensive skill players as their defense 100% got worse and have to figure the team will now be Bengals-esque (not as bad, but you get what I mean) in that they will have to rely on outscoring their opponents a bit more. Meanwhile, if Parsons hits his stride early, GB may be able to avoid pushing Love and their passing attack as hard relying on the defense more to keep games close. Wouldn't say I'm dropping the value of any of their key guys; but I think there is now a little less upside attached to the depth receiving threats outside Golden/Kraft.
 
At first glance and in my opinion it sure appears Packer are a solid #3 now in NFC rankings. So much on Love now. He has the roster to do something if he can take a step forward. Gonna be interesting to watch unfold. Is this one of those scenarios, with this roster, that if he fails now, they may look to move on from him?
Who is Love going to throw to?

Look at the best WRs of the last 20 years. Moss, Fitzgerald, Owens, Calvin Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Anquon Bolden, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson. Now tell me how many Super Bowls they won. I believe that answer is ZERO. It's likely I missed a SB, but if so the point is WRs don't win SBs. QBs and OLs make offenses work. WRs may be huge in FF. But not that important for winning SBs.
 

Jerry Jones’ stubborn missteps led the Cowboys into this Micah Parsons trainwreck

By Michael Silver

The enduring narratives are so ingrained, they’re almost boring.

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, recently rechristened “The Gambler,” is an 82-year-old man who, we’re assured, is desperate to win another Super Bowl. He’s not shy about engaging in high-profile contract standoffs but has a knack for theatrical deal-striking in the nick of time.

Conversely, the Green Bay Packers, a franchise without an actual owner, exist on the other end of the NFL continuum. Risk averse and partial to playing the long game, the Packers’ Powers That Be, for as long as we can remember, have quietly implemented a draft-and-develop strategy while shying away from splashy acquisitions.

Those are the stereotypes attached to the people in charge of these franchises with massive, multinational fan bases — until now.

Thursday, one of the biggest blockbuster trades in NFL history smashed all of that to pieces, like a cheesehead crushing a cowboy figurine.

A week before America’s Team will open the regular season in Philadelphia against the defending Super Bowl champions, Jones traded star pass rusher Micah Parsons to the Packers for two first-round draft picks and three-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Kenny Clark.

It’s a reasonably impressive haul for the Cowboys, but it hardly screams “all in” for 2025. With an untested rookie coach in Brian Schottenheimer and a big “L” in a messy standoff with a star player and his powerful agent, Jones can’t even pretend to flex. He might be a master at generating hype, but this is reality: His franchise appears even further from ending a three-decade run without a conference title game appearance than it did a day ago.

As for the Packers? Well, welcome to the 21st century. For all the frustrations endured by players, coaches and fans during a 30-year stretch in which the front office coasted off the excellence of first-ballot Hall of Fame-caliber quarterbacks Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers — while declining, for the most part, to take big swings — a sense of urgency has finally arrived in Titletown.

By trading for a 26-year-old superstar, and paying Parsons $188 million over four years (more than any non-quarterback in NFL history), the Packers have made it clear that they’re the real gamblers.
Beginning next Sunday at Lambeau Field, when Green Bay opens its season against the NFC North-rival Detroit Lions, fans might want to replace those “Go Pack Go” chants with “Go for Broke.”

Jones can comfort himself by lauding the short-term importance of acquiring Clark, who turns 30 in October (while playing a less-marquee position than Parsons), and the long-term potential garnered via the draft capital.

Good luck with that.

The hard, cold truth is that, unless and until the Cowboys win another Super Bowl, this deal will be framed as a resounding defeat.

In this case, Jones earned the enmity coming his way from the team’s fans. To review: The owner/GM tried to bamboozle Parsons, and circumvent NFL Players Association protocol, by discussing contract terms without the involvement of agent David Mulugheta. When Parsons subsequently balked at the alleged “deal,” Jones essentially pitched a fit, refusing for months to engage with the agent.

Three weeks ago, when my colleague Dianna Russini reported on how badly the situation had degenerated — after which Parsons, who never believed a deal had been struck, publicly requested a trade — Jones pooh-poohed it, telling fans (via the media), “Don’t lose any sleep over it.”

As I wrote at the time: Dream on.

It turns out that Stay woke would have been a better mantra. Either the owner didn’t understand who had the leverage, or he was committed to self-sabotage — but he definitely made some unforced errors.

Last week, for example, Jones further inflamed the situation by telling ex-Cowboys great Michael Irvin, on the Hall of Fame receiver’s podcast, that after he and Parsons had discussed numbers in March, “When we wanted to send the details to the agent, the agent told us to stick it up our ***.”

Yes, it was hyperbole and should have been regarded as such.

No, it wasn’t helpful.

Even worse, Jones’ tone was delusional. Throughout the saga, he acted like the party with all the power. Jones insisted he could force Parsons to play on the fifth-year option of his rookie deal and, potentially, apply the franchise tag for each of the next two seasons. He also had many people convinced that a deal might be struck in the final days before the season opener, mirroring past signings of offensive stars Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliott and CeeDee Lamb.

However, Jones seems to have underestimated his opponents. Parsons, citing a back injury, refrained from practicing and might have been willing to insist he was too hurt to play once the real games began. Mulugheta, who employed a similar strategy with client Jalen Ramsey that successfully forced a trade during the 2019 regular season, does not come off as a man who cavalierly bluffs.
 
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In the end, Jones blinked. To his credit, he got a nice return from the Packers under the circumstances. Yet, at least for now, that won’t stop many in the Dallas Metroplex from comparing him to Mavericks general manager Nico Harrison, whose decision in February to trade then-25-year-old superstar Luka Dončić to the Los Angeles Lakers has been lambasted as one of the most disastrous in NBA history.

In retrospect, Jones — if unwilling to negotiate with Mulugheta — should have seen this trainwreck coming and traded Parsons in April, when he could have used at least one of those Green Bay-provided draft picks to get his team some immediate help. Now, he’ll likely have to wait until spring to try to find another elite edge rusher.

Meanwhile, at Lambeau Field, they’re harboring visions of another Lombardi Trophy. As the 2025 season approaches, all that glitters is green and gold.

The Packers have made the playoffs in each of the past two seasons and five times since Matt LaFleur became the coach in 2019. Could Parsons’ presence help get them over the hump, the way the free-agent signing of future first-ballot Hall of Fame defensive end Reggie White did 32 years ago?

We can’t give you that answer conclusively, but it should be a hell of a lot of fun finding out.

General manager Brian Gutekunst, once reportedly derided by Rodgers in group texts as “Jerry Krause” for what the quarterback deemed a ruinous approach to team-building, now has that Howie Roseman glow as he struts around Lambeau.

And as for newly installed Packers CEO Ed Policy? At the next owners’ meeting, he should roll up rocking Gucci slippers and a Hugh Hefner-style red velvet smoking jacket.

Policy, 54, presumably has many more years to cultivate that image, should he so choose.

Jones, for all the attention being generated by his recently dropped Netflix docuseries, has to feel a bit jealous.

The bottom line is this: The Gambler just got rid of one of the league’s best players, a young man seemingly entering the prime of his career, because of the owner’s own flaws: stubbornness, a lack of urgency, and miscalculations of his adversaries and of the market.

As a result, Green Bay just got glitzier — and America’s Team appears pretty damn far from Super.
 
Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:

TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)

Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.
Add in
GB: 6-7 (0-3 Conf Ch Gms)
Minn: 2-5 (0-1 Conf Ch Gms)

Dallas is the epitome of mediocre which equates to stuck in no man's land. Good enough to be in the playoff hunt, not good enough to compete with the better teams in the conference. They need a better GM. One that recognizes when and how to do an extension on the best players on the team.
To add, since 2000 Dallas has only 4 playoff wins. Only 5 teams out of the other 31 have fewer than 4. That's also 2 less than the expansion Texans who only became a team starting in the 2002 season.
 
We can disagree. This was an all in move. The pieces are in place and the trade puts them in the conversation with the best of the NFC. They're trending in the right direction, have been the last two years, another year of experience, and one massive upgrade at their weakest link. Eagles and lions, that's the cream of the NFC, Packers are right there with them.
Yep, only this wasn't all-in. This is a last piece of the puzzle to compete now move, but this isn't mortgaging the future like what the Rams did a few years ago. This team is young and under team control.
Yes but they just spent about 50M a year on one player, albeit a great one. This is pretty much an all-in move, they won’t be able to add a lot more.
The way their contracts are structured they will. They've got ~$62m in 2026 base salaries of those aged 28 or less that can be converted into bonuses and kick most of that cap space down the road. That increases to ~$80m if they decide to also work with Elgton Jenkins contract.

Now, like what Detroit is doing now, they may exercise caution as they'll need to start re-signing their own after 2026. If they allocate more resources to upgrades in 2026 then that will shrink the window and limit who from the current team they can keep, but the point is they have options.
 
Fantasy speaking, is the move to pick up GB DST? I drafted the Pats everywhere but GB wasn’t bad at all last season in my leagues.
While I was happy with Detroit as my base D, I swapped them out for GB as soon as I could get to a device upon hearing the news.
 
PFT

Here’s an unsolicited text that arrived from a long-time agent during Friday’s edition of PFT Live:

“You have no idea how damaging this episode is for the Cowboys as it relates to the entire agent community. We all talk and nobody would ever willingly steer their clients to that team. Make no mistake, they’ve never been a honest or good organization, but since [Jerry] so brazenly disrespected and went behind the back of a top player’s top agent, they are in serious trouble moving forward. This is really one of those ‘time to take the car keys away’ moments.”

Ultimately, money goes a long way toward getting players and agents to do business with a team. But that could require the Cowboys to overpay to get the guys they want. No team should want to have to do that.

Ideally, a team becomes the obvious choice when the dollars are equal. Even better, a team wants to be the preferred destination, even if other teams are offering more.

Jerry’s insistence that agents are simply bystanders and not equal partners will not endear him to other agents. He has displayed — for months — a fundamental lack of respect for agent David Mulugheta. And, yes, other agents have noticed."
 
Raiders fan here. Am I to understand that some Cowboys fans are happy about this trade?
Yep. They think it was a well planned, expertly orchestrated master move by Jerry
More bull ****.
Unless you have a link?
I'm not trying to start anything, I am just sincerely curious about the pro-trade side from a Cowboys perspective.

I assume it's about the money.
The money is one thing
I posted here Numerous times last year “just trade him”.
It’s obvious to anyone paying attention he wasn’t liked by everyone in the locker room. Hooker called him out last year. Lawrence who was a team leader and great player got into it with Parsons on twitter as soon as he left Dallas.
Now hearing from people who are actually in the know about some behind the scenes stuff with Parsons I’m glad he’s gone. I wish we had gotten more in return but it is what it is
 
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often in the NFL. It happens all the time in MLB or the NBA.

If you can’t win with a stud player you trade them at their peak value. Buy low. Sell high. Pretty standard stuff.

Dallas wasn’t winning with Micah. Pay him a ton of money and stay mediocre or try something else? Pretty obvious to me. So weird they’re getting crushed for it. Or not? It’s Jerry and the Cowboys.
 
HFS. Two 1sts and Kenny Clark.

And at this point do we assume Dallas is eyeballing a rebuild or do they actually believe they just made their team better? I mean you only do this when you're ready to continue firesaling right?

And so bump the **** out of Dak and Lamb. And Jaydon Blue IMHO as I wouldn't be surprised if they moved Javonte for a ham sandwich.
They aren't getting a ham sandwich, come on.

Honestly, this feels like a lot more than I would have expected for Dallas. 2 1sts and a quality starter for a guy who wanted the biggest non-QB contract ever.

I don't see this as a firesale at all. If they felt Parsons wasn't going to play for them (and they felt he was using the back as an excuse) then yes, trading him makes them better.

Dak/Lamb/Pickens may have absolutely just become discount Burrow/Chase/Higgins. Well, Lamb isn't really discount (might honestly be better than Chase) but the idea is the same.
Kenny isn't so much a quality starter at this stage, maybe they can get a little juice out of him yet, but his best days are behind him.
While this is true he still was the best interior lineman they had.
 
I do think people need to understand or realize that the cowboys organization do not value winning at all costs and have no desire to spend cash more than what the cap allows. It is clear.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by where they'd spend cash beyond what the salary cap allows?

Facilities and Stadium seem like the obvious other areas.

Where would you roughly rank the Cowboys' Facilities and Stadium among the 32 teams?

Are you saying it's clear Dallas has subpar Facilities and Stadium?

He’s talking about how increasing cash spending can allow you to invest well over the salary cap into the roster in a given season. Which is the point I was making yesterday as to why the Cowboys are no longer trying to win. Stephen is running it as just another business in the Jones portfolio. When a team operates that way, it shrinks the margin for error considerably. It’s not impossible to win but it sure does make it more difficult, especially when a sizable chunk is dedicated to a quarterback that isn’t elite.

That’s called cash over cap.

The things you mentioned in your post (facilities, coaches, etc) would be spending in the margins; areas that can create an advantage that aren’t limited by the salary cap. I’m not familiar enough with their facilities to comment about them. I can however point to them hiring cheap coaches and refusing to fire them when they’ve clearly failed and letting their contracts play out to save money as further proof of them prioritizing profit over winning.


Andrew Brandt did a good segment on Cash over Cap a couple of years ago on McAfee's show, breaking it down. https://youtu.be/Gqb1bTSIfHs?si=pUHUP1lQdDQBlWM7

The very popular site OverTheCap breaks it down by year. https://overthecap.com/cash-spending

And as you can see, it changes year to year.

Looking at the data and actual numbers on https://overthecap.com/cash-spending, I don't have the same takeaway that you do that the Cowboys are no longer spending money over the cap.

And certainly, based on the actual numbers, I don't have the same takeaway that they don't care about winning. We'll disagree there. But thanks for sharing your opinion. Different takes are what makes the game fun.
 
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