Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
They also have their own first rders and can use the 2 to move up if they choose to.
Even if they stay put the last line you wrote is a stretch
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Even if they stay put the last line you wrote is a stretch
irish eyes
Footballguy
He's not, what did Dallas win with him... Nothing, they stunk.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Raises an interesting question: Are there other teams for whom the exact same trade would have been better?
As a Lions fan, my first thought was that Parsons for two firsts would be a no-brainer, but then I started thinking about how Lions will have to pay all their young stars in the next year or two and this would probably mean even more of them are out the door, so now I'm not sure. They're already going to have trouble keeping Branch, LaPorta, Jamo and Gibbs; would this contract put one of their core stars (Sewell, Hutch, ARSB) at risk, too?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
So does that mean Garrett, Nick Bosa and both Watt brothers are also nothing special?
They also have $45MM of space to add talent in FA next spring
massraider
Footballguy
When Stafford was Jordan Love's age, he was Jordan Love.
25 TD and 11 INT
22 TD and 12 INT
From their age 26 season.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Or resign their own FA, like Pickens, if they want
massraider
Footballguy
Where they get that?
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
I don’t know where you are coming from with this. No one is laughing because they lack talent. It’s a circusI know it's the thing toat Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Isn’t that roughly his annual guaranteed money?
irish eyes
Footballguy
I was hoping Steelers would trade Watt before they extended him. They've done nothing since he's been there & he disappeared at the end of last year. All great players but no issue with trading any of them.
massraider
Footballguy
Cowboys have 7 mill in cap space next year
That's before they add Kenny Clark's 20 mill cap number. They are over the cap right now for next year--And Pickens is a free agent
In 2026, the Cowboys might wind up making more tough cap decisions than the Packers.
I get what you're saying, they don'gt have to pay him 45 mill a year, but I would hold off on that 45 mill number. Unless you think his cap number next year will be 45 mill?
massraider
Footballguy
Not many people were seeing it in DET with Staff when he was 26, that's all I'm saying.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s fair. I thought Stafford was better in DET than I think Love is in GB.
Stafford always seemed to come up big in big moments, while Love has played rather poorly under pressure. The stats are eerily similar though, so maybe you’re right.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.
They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.
As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.
That's a fair point.
It seemed like it wasn't working with him there. I can see trying something else.
massraider
Footballguy
It's not apples to apples, clearly. Stafford was on bad teams, but he was also a lot more experienced by the time he was 26. Love sat for a while. I feel like Love still has runway to get better.
I don't really take a strong stand on whether he IS a franchise guy, I ain't really seen enough.
And the whole team is a bunch of embryos. Everyone that matters is 26 and under. I just don't want to get caught underestimating anyone over there.
I don’t know where you are coming from with this. No one is laughing because they lack talent. It’s a circusI know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
Where I'm coming from is just what I said. I judge a GM by the team they put on the field.
massraider
Footballguy
2026:
Jordan Love cap number: 36 mill
Dak Prescott cap number: 74 mill
Jordan Love+Micah Parsons cap numbers=Dak Prescott
Jerry Math!
Jordan Love cap number: 36 mill
Dak Prescott cap number: 74 mill
Jordan Love+Micah Parsons cap numbers=Dak Prescott
Jerry Math!
I know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.
They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.
As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.
Thanks. We'll differ there.
I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.
I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
What has Buffalo won with Josh Allen? Baltimore with Lamar?
Only one team can win it all, you just need to put yourself in the best position to win. No doubt Parsons on the Cowboys gives them the best chance to win.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I think his Rams tenure -- specifically his SB run -- has clouded our view of his time with the Lions. When Stafford was in Detroit it was considered a cinch that the Lions would lose any big games where a) they were facing a playoff team, b) they were on the road and/or c) it was below 40 degrees.
Neither view is completely true. Stafford is tough as nails and a great competitor, but he also wasn't able to transcend his circumstances in a dysfunctional environment in Detroit
Do you believe that they will move those picks to win now? I understand what the Jones’ say, but they have to say that.
If they do IMO that would actually make me like the move less. Dallas needs to rebuild and this move helps them do that.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Cmon, this is a great trade for Green Bay, the youngest team in the league is now knocking on the door of a Super Bowl.
Forgot the picks. Take a look at their last 15 firsts or so, take the player.
Window closing early? The damn window just opened for years.
I'm amazed people don't see this as a massive win for the Packers.
Forgot the picks. Take a look at their last 15 firsts or so, take the player.
Window closing early? The damn window just opened for years.
I'm amazed people don't see this as a massive win for the Packers.
massraider
Footballguy
Why do the Bengals persist with Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Don’t worry, it’s not like this is the sort of forum where someone would quote you from 23 years ago to point out how comically wrong you were about something.
massraider
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The 8 game stretch to finish his first year was very good and came up big in Dallas in the playoffs. Has to be more consistent for sure. No doubt about that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Did I somehow Rip Van Winkle my way to week 16? Did the packers lock up the 1-seed while I was asleep or something?
This seems just a smidge premature.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
I’m not here to debate the whole “it’s the players job once they take the field” which is silly in its own right seeing how Dallas hasn’t won a thing in decades. But do you really need a refresher on things that have gone on in Dallas under their watch? And if not, it’s your position that none of that matters if they assemble a mediocre roster?I don’t know where you are coming from with this. No one is laughing because they lack talent. It’s a circusI know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
Where I'm coming from is just what I said. I judge a GM by the team they put on the field.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
We'll see. They've been trending up and for as young a team as this is have been pretty dangerous. They needed to address the pass rush and did in a big way. Really doesn't feel premature to me.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's a slam dunk for the Packers
Micah Parsons trade grades: Packers get this generation's Reggie White; Cowboys' franchise set back for years
What Jerry Jones just did to the Cowboys is malpractice
www.cbssports.com
EgoBoy D-
The Two 1st round picks are likely to be late or in the 20s
-Jordan Love could possibly be the fly in the ointment if he regresses or continues to miss time but this is clearly a huge win for the Packers tonight
No question it pushes them up in the super competitive NFC North
MAC_32
Footballguy
Your grade for the Cowboys is too generousIt's a slam dunk for the Packers
Packers A+Micah Parsons trade grades: Packers get this generation's Reggie White; Cowboys' franchise set back for years
What Jerry Jones just did to the Cowboys is malpractice
EgoBoy D-
The Two 1st round picks are likely to be late or in the 20s
-Jordan Love could possibly be the fly in the ointment if he regresses or continues to miss time but this is clearly a huge win for the Packers tonight
No question it pushes them up in the super competitive NFC North
Last 10 seasons, NFC playoff record:
TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)
Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.
TB: 6-4 (1-0 SB))
Philly: 10-5 (2-1 SB's)
SF: 8-4 (0-2 SB's)
LAR: 8-5 (1-1 SB's)
Dal: 2-5 (0 Conf Ch Gms)
Det: 2-3 (0-1 Conf Champ)
Either the players the GM assembled in Dallas aren't working or the the coaching staff the GM hired are failing the players or some combination of both, but whatever it is the situation in Dallas the last 10 years is not good when it really matters most.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The #1 pick overall gets about ~$50M guaranteed. Micah just got $136M guaranteed.
They paid him like he’s +2.5 #1 overall picks and gave up two 1sts + a player to do it.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Cowboys have 7 mill in cap space next year
That's before they add Kenny Clark's 20 mill cap number. They are over the cap right now for next year--And Pickens is a free agent
In 2026, the Cowboys might wind up making more tough cap decisions than the Packers.
I get what you're saying, they don'gt have to pay him 45 mill a year, but I would hold off on that 45 mill number. Unless you think his cap number next year will be 45 mill?
darksideofoz
Footballguy
players that have only proven they are good at JV football. 2.5x for a proven player, possibly generational. seems like good maths.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The player has to agree to sign. They know the landscape. They know the salary cap is going up. You think Parsons and his agent didn’t know Garrett and Watt and Crosby were coming up for deals? They do.
Honestly, the Bengals are the team crushing this with Hendrickson. They get clowned, but they’re getting the same production for a fraction of the price.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Yes. It’s clear most posters in here and football fans in general don’t have much foresight.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Both the Bengals and Cowboys front offices are embarrassments when it comes to contract negotiations.
need2know
Footballguy
If jordan love plays great i think they have a great shot. I dont think he is though and will let them down in the playoffs
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I think having a stud edge rusher is necessary but not sufficient to having a championship team. In any event, the Quinn Era Dallas D was one of the league's best, and Parsons was a huge part of that
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Why? Because they don’t just bend over?
Hendrickson dwarfs Parsons’ production the last two years. They’ve got him for a song.
I’m not here to debate the whole “it’s the players job once they take the field” which is silly in its own right seeing how Dallas hasn’t won a thing in decades. But do you really need a refresher on things that have gone on in Dallas under their watch? And if not, it’s your position that none of that matters if they assemble a mediocre roster?I don’t know where you are coming from with this. No one is laughing because they lack talent. It’s a circusI know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
Where I'm coming from is just what I said. I judge a GM by the team they put on the field.
I'm pretty refreshed. But thanks.
Willy
Footballguy
The Packers hit rate on 1st round picks is like 1 good/great every 5 years. This is the team that passed on TJ Watt and instead traded down to get Kevin King. Yeah, IMO they aren't going to miss those picks compared to the production they get in Parsons. I find the argument that the $$ cost of Parsons plus the picks is really a lot to be more compelling than talking about the picks alone.
Fair point.
That Ricky Bobby logic is the worst. Its like saying actually the Chiefs sucked last year, because they didn't win the Super Bowl. Its asinine. Many of the best players in NFL history, including best of all-time at their position guys, never won a Super Bowl.
Everything needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, and in this case, I feel like this is a pretty good deal for both sides. Dallas got more than I expected, and saved a ton of money. They weren't gonna contend this year, so they sold a guy close to peak value. Green Bay desperately needed a gamechanger, and now they have one. Time will tell how good that makes them, as I think Love is still a huge question mark, but they clearly believe in him.
I think Parsons is HOF level talent, obviously losing him makes Dallas worse in 2025, but Dallas in 2026, 2027, 2028, I don't know that, and that's assuming he even would have stayed.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
They also get their money much sooner and avoid the injury risk. It’s not Dak, Lamb, or Parsons that drew this out.
Hendrickson is completely different situation because of his age. You’re right to lump Dallas in with the Bengals for the cheap franchise awards though. Both are run like B list baseball teams. Only difference is Burrow is elite so they do actually have a shot. Dak isn’t.
Terpman22
Footballguy
What is the effect of signing future players to extensions though? What message does it send that you aren’t willing to pay your BEST DRAFT PICK this decade? Drafting well is great, but you have to eventually sign players and make them happy to stick around.I know it's the thing to
But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.
Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.
This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams
Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are.
They have drafted very well over the last handful of years and sure, they’ve put out decent teams mostly for that reason.
They aren’t doing everything they can to win, though. It’s fairly well documented how they’ve chosen to keep the purse strings tight on the cash, while the teams trying to win will prioritize cash over cap all day long. And on the Dak and Lamb contracts, it emded up costing them more to keep them because they waited until the last possible minute to get them signed. It’s comically poor management and this time it resulted in painting themselves in a corner they couldn’t escape. And it’s not only with players. It’s why they 1- hire retread or inexperienced head coaches and 2- keep them no matter how much they should be fired until their contract expires. It’s saves money. It’s cheap. And it leaves them with no chance of winning a Super Bowl.
As I said, it’d be sad if I could stop laughing long enough to call it that.
Thanks. We'll differ there.
I think they've done a pretty good job of drafting well and assembling competitive rosters.
I won't say any team that does that has no chance for a ring.
Jerry really paid a running back like Zeke but wouldn’t pay only the 2nd guy in NFL history to start his career with 12+ sacks in the first 4 years. Crazy.
