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Parsons traded to Green Bay (5 Viewers)

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I think he is a generational linebacker like Ray Lewis, LT, Butkus. Those 3 changed the game. If Dallas really is going to rebuild then cool but it seems odd after grabbing Pickens. If they want to compete now then it's a terrible move. Pay the generational player whatever the **** he asks for. Unless you don't believe in Dak (I don't) but again they went and grabbed Pickens.

Maybe more moves to come is what I'm wondering.
the weird thing is they (over)paid Dak. They paid Lamb. They paid Ferguson. They paid Diggs, Osa, Booker - pretty much everyone BUT the guy everyone thought would get paid got paid.

I don’t see the vision by Dallas here at all. They should have locked up Parsons for the foreseeable future.

I agree they painted themselves into a corner, ruined the relationship & this was plan B. It might well work out for them, but they’d be better with Parsons. You can’t easily replace that level of talent. And if they blow either or both of those 1sts on a bad pick, hoo boy this will go down as a franchise altering move.
All those guys didn't try to "Be in Power" like Micah did. Once Jerry realized Micah wasn't going to play by the rules Jerry set (which might even be against the NFLPA rules but I digress), the writing was on the wall. Its why Jerry never pays for a big free agent anymore. You are gonna get paid by him, you WILL do things the way HE wants.

He's that insane
lmfao
I understand you got a thing for Terp but what part of this do you disagree with? Jerry and his son are a mess. It’s reached a point where I feel bad for fans of the team just like Washington with Snyder.
The entire post. Is he in the room down there? Where’s he come up with this ****?

Parsons has 12,14,13 n 12 sacks. I don’t think he ever had one after Christmas.
He hasn’t played the run well and his stupid podcast is annoying and a distraction. I’m on the record on this board last year saying just trade his ***. You think they should have paid him $50 mil per??
Yet Mr Terp is in here chirping like he’s the smartest guy in the room. And he’s the first to get butthurt if anyone posts anything in the eagles thread that isn’t pro Philly.
Coming back to this. How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas? That’s not easy to answer. It’s true that sometimes it’s best to part with a superstar and build a ****ing team. But from where I’m sitting Dallas isn’t ready to build anything until they rethink the whole culture down there.
 
i don't know how anyone can say dallas won this trade. parsons is the betting favorite for DPOY. dallas wanted to keep him. jerry thought he did keep him. but then jerry lost parsons and in the wake, lost this trade. parsons was bringing a big return no matter what but you don't find a player of this caliber at that position very often. not through trade, not through free agency, and not through 1st round picks. if you have a chance to get one you go ahead and do it. no matter the cost. it's the kind of move that's earth shaking and can vault a franchise to greater heights. and green bay pounced. all possible because of jerry's bruised ego
I'm a Bears fan. The only ones saying this is a bad deal for GB is salty Dallas fans

I'm far from a salty Dallas fan and I don't love it for Green Bay. :shrug:
 
How much of that $188 is guaranteed will matter, but that is a huge number. Detroit is still better than GB.
136 lol
Thats a lot of cheddar. Are the people laughing at my post Packers fans? Do people think GB > Detroit now?
I think this narrows the gap big time. Their glaring weakness was pass rush. Takes a lot of pressure off the corners.
Gary is also a pretty awesome guy to have opposite Parsons. This is gonna be fun.
Loosens him up and Van Ness has been showing improvement. Should elevate them, lets Edgerrin Cooper not have to rush the qb and free up the corners and Mckinney on the back end.
 
What did they give?

Hopefully not a ton given that contract
Gonna be huge if they actually dealt him.
I doubt it, honestly. If it's more than a single 1st, Green Bay is really "paying" quite the price
Kenny Clark and two 1sts
It’s pretty rare the team trading for the stud player needing huge money wins one of these. Especially for a non-QB. That’s a haul PLUS the mega contract.

Everyone overreacts because Micah is a known commodity. I got clowned the same way when Russell Wilson got traded to Denver and I said immediately Seattle won the deal.

The Packers’ window is shortened to like two years with this trade.

Dallas just opened theirs.
Dallas already has a ton of ridiculous contracts. Dallas did nothing other than add trade ammo if they decide to trade up for a qb this year. Even than, the GB picks will be, at worst, mid- 20s.
A ton? Who? Dak and Lamb? You need to look at Dak’s contract. This isn’t a move for a QB. They have two firsts in the next two years to put high end players around all those guys now.

And they have cap space to pay others by not paying Parsons.

And they might be able to stop the run now with Clark.

They haven’t won anything with Micah on his rookie deal and they accepted that they were definitely not winning anything with him on a max deal.
Another salty Boys fan apparently
 
Thor Nystrom:


Am I the only one who doesn’t like the Parsons trade for the Packers?

No cap flexibility or draft equity for the foreseeable future, and the roster, which still has serious holes, will start hemorrhaging contributors starting this coming offseason.All chips pushed in for 2025.

It may be just me and Thor on the island, but I'm with him.

I know everyone hates Dallas and thinks Jones is an idiot. But that's a lot to give up. Granted, they got a lot in Parsons.

But I don't love this for Green Bay.

I'm ok with it.

I like taking huge swings even if it means mortgaging the future. But that's a lot.
I’m with you more than Thor. I’m ok with it but can’t hate on it at all. This is about keeping up in an arms race for Green Bay. Detroit is loaded. Minnesota and Chicago are looking feisty. If they think Love is the guy, they have to give him every chance to win and Parsons is going to do that more than late first in 26/27.

Yes. That's what I mean about how I can appreciate taking a big swing and going all in. The Rams showed how that can work.

Will be fascinating to see.

Either way, I love the discussion and the salary cap game puzzle. It's fascinating.

One thing I love about the NFL much more than MLB.
 
Thor Nystrom:


Am I the only one who doesn’t like the Parsons trade for the Packers?

No cap flexibility or draft equity for the foreseeable future, and the roster, which still has serious holes, will start hemorrhaging contributors starting this coming offseason.All chips pushed in for 2025.

It may be just me and Thor on the island, but I'm with him.

I know everyone hates Dallas and thinks Jones is an idiot. But that's a lot to give up. Granted, they got a lot in Parsons.

But I don't love this for Green Bay.

I'm ok with it.

I like taking huge swings even if it means mortgaging the future. But that's a lot.

You absolutely are not. Forget the contract, Micah does not set the edge or stop the run. I said it in another thread and got attacked for thinking about it from a fantasy lens. I am not. Every time the announcers bloviate on and on about the pass rush they're missing him get washed out when the other team tries to run.

I know I'll take garbage for it, but it's what I see.
 
i don't know how anyone can say dallas won this trade. parsons is the betting favorite for DPOY. dallas wanted to keep him. jerry thought he did keep him. but then jerry lost parsons and in the wake, lost this trade. parsons was bringing a big return no matter what but you don't find a player of this caliber at that position very often. not through trade, not through free agency, and not through 1st round picks. if you have a chance to get one you go ahead and do it. no matter the cost. it's the kind of move that's earth shaking and can vault a franchise to greater heights. and green bay pounced. all possible because of jerry's bruised ego
There are short term wins and long term wins. If the Packers win a championship with Micah they’ll be happy.

I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

100%. And I could see both those things happening.

And I'll be happy for both.

Not every trade has to have a winner and loser. They both could benefit here.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?
Dallas should have had a plan for one of their best assets. That should not have included trying to negotiate with him without his agent then belittling him to the press.
Want to keep him? Pay him. If not, find a suitable trade at a time where he has max value. A week before the season isn’t it.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?
Dallas should have had a plan for one of their best assets. That should not have included trying to negotiate with him without his agent then belittling him to the press.
Want to keep him? Pay him. If not, find a suitable trade at a time where he has max value. A week before the season isn’t it.
How much more do you think they could have received?
 
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I think he is a generational linebacker like Ray Lewis, LT, Butkus. Those 3 changed the game. If Dallas really is going to rebuild then cool but it seems odd after grabbing Pickens. If they want to compete now then it's a terrible move. Pay the generational player whatever the **** he asks for. Unless you don't believe in Dak (I don't) but again they went and grabbed Pickens.

Maybe more moves to come is what I'm wondering.
the weird thing is they (over)paid Dak. They paid Lamb. They paid Ferguson. They paid Diggs, Osa, Booker - pretty much everyone BUT the guy everyone thought would get paid got paid.

I don’t see the vision by Dallas here at all. They should have locked up Parsons for the foreseeable future.

I agree they painted themselves into a corner, ruined the relationship & this was plan B. It might well work out for them, but they’d be better with Parsons. You can’t easily replace that level of talent. And if they blow either or both of those 1sts on a bad pick, hoo boy this will go down as a franchise altering move.
Also, with all of the other hold-ins this summer, you could understand the team's rationale even if you didn't agree with it. Hendrickson is a little old to be giving a massive extension. Ditto McLaurin. Cook is an RB. But there is literally no rationale for not paying a 26-year-old generational edge rusher. Along with a QB, this is what you're always trying to get out of the draft. The Cowboys had one and they gave it away for a Mystery Box.

Anyone spinning this as part of Jerry's strategic vision is either related to him or has OD'd on Kool-Aid
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?
Dallas should have had a plan for one of their best assets. That should not have included trying to negotiate with him without his agent then belittling him to the press.
Want to keep him? Pay him. If not, find a suitable trade at a time where he has max value. A week before the season isn’t it.
I’ve not defended Dallas GM, nor have I said I was a huge fan of this trade. And you didn’t answer my question
 
As far as GB goes, I think the idea of "boom or bust" and mortgaging the future is a little overblown. They have their QB. They have an elite playmaker on the D-Line. They won't be as pressed to have to pay one of their upcoming WR free agents if Golden pans out. Jacobs has a team friendly contract. Sure, missing two 1's isn't optimal to sustaining a long run...but if Love and Parsons are the guys they think they are...they'll still be playoff competitive in the year or two they have to readjust their payroll/personnel.
 
Thor Nystrom:


Am I the only one who doesn’t like the Parsons trade for the Packers?

No cap flexibility or draft equity for the foreseeable future, and the roster, which still has serious holes, will start hemorrhaging contributors starting this coming offseason.All chips pushed in for 2025.

It may be just me and Thor on the island, but I'm with him.
He's not really forthcoming on the players they are losing, and the cap restrictions. Yeah, they gave up two #1s. That's a lot? I guess, but Parsons is worth two late 1s in any draft. Falcons traded two #1 picks for Pearce. Khalil Mack was two 1s, a 3rd, and a 6th.

Considering we don't know the deal parameters, I don't know how he can really say they are cap restricted. We can expect big cap numbers at some point, for sure. Their top free agents next year are Quay Walker, Doubs, and Watson. 2027: Jayden Reed, Tucker Kraft, Van Ness. . OK, Quay Walker might be a priority. But there is not any other free agent next year they have that is worth worrying about. They will clearly lose good players, and the Parsons deal

Kenny Clark's cap number was 31.365 mill next year!! :lmao: So the Pack traded a guy who was a potential cap casualty next year. Parsons cap number next year might only be a few mill more than Clark's.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.
Not with Jerry Jones calling the shots.
No? I’d say the only mistake is not doing it before this years’ draft. But, he was still trying to sign the guy for a reasonable number.

He’s not as good as Garrett or Watt and wanted more than them.

Seems to me like he’s learning from previous mistakes.
 
What did they give?

Hopefully not a ton given that contract
Gonna be huge if they actually dealt him.
I doubt it, honestly. If it's more than a single 1st, Green Bay is really "paying" quite the price
Kenny Clark and two 1sts
It’s pretty rare the team trading for the stud player needing huge money wins one of these. Especially for a non-QB. That’s a haul PLUS the mega contract.

Everyone overreacts because Micah is a known commodity. I got clowned the same way when Russell Wilson got traded to Denver and I said immediately Seattle won the deal.

The Packers’ window is shortened to like two years with this trade.

Dallas just opened theirs.
Dallas already has a ton of ridiculous contracts. Dallas did nothing other than add trade ammo if they decide to trade up for a qb this year. Even than, the GB picks will be, at worst, mid- 20s.
A ton? Who? Dak and Lamb? You need to look at Dak’s contract. This isn’t a move for a QB. They have two firsts in the next two years to put high end players around all those guys now.

And they have cap space to pay others by not paying Parsons.

And they might be able to stop the run now with Clark.


They haven’t won anything with Micah on his rookie deal and they accepted that they were definitely not winning anything with him on a max deal.
We must not be talking about the same Kenny Clark. He was abysmal against the run last year
 
As far as GB goes, I think the idea of "boom or bust" and mortgaging the future is a little overblown. They have their QB. They have an elite playmaker on the D-Line. They won't be as pressed to have to pay one of their upcoming WR free agents if Golden pans out. Jacobs has a team friendly contract. Sure, missing two 1's isn't optimal to sustaining a long run...but if Love and Parsons are the guys they think they are...they'll still be playoff competitive in the year or two they have to readjust their payroll/personnel.
Plus the overpay today is underpaid tomorrow. Dallas could have signed Parsons for 30-35 per if they were proactive and didn't let the situation fester for headlines or Jerry's personal satisfaction. In two years when the schedule is increased to 18 games and three more different streaming deals are struck the cream of the crop players will make those paid today seem underpaid if they are still producing. And then the cycle begins anew
 
Anyone spinning this as part of Jerry's strategic vision is either related to him or has OD'd on Kool-Aid
Unless I missed it noone has done that
I thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Anyway, my point wasn't to attack anyone here, it was to attack Jones for this trade
 
Anyone spinning this as part of Jerry's strategic vision is either related to him or has OD'd on Kool-Aid
Unless I missed it noone has done that
I thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Anyway, my point wasn't to attack anyone here, it was to attack Jones for this trade
I’m not saying it was some strategic ploy. I think Jerry wanted to sign the guy and failed.

I do think this was a nice haul for a player expecting a huge money contract when Jones and the Cowboys didn’t have much leverage other than letting him rot.

Two 1sts and a good player for 1 player needing top of the market money is a good deal for the selling team.

This is rare and historically works out better for the selling team.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.
Not with Jerry Jones calling the shots.
No? I’d say the only mistake is not doing it before this years’ draft. But, he was still trying to sign the guy for a reasonable number.

He’s not as good as Garrett or Watt and wanted more than them.

Seems to me like he’s learning from previous mistakes.
Seems to me that he has no plan, he dithers and backs himself into corners of his own making, and his team would be better off with someone else making decisions besides him.
 
Anyone spinning this as part of Jerry's strategic vision is either related to him or has OD'd on Kool-Aid
Unless I missed it noone has done that
I thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Anyway, my point wasn't to attack anyone here, it was to attack Jones for this trade
I’m not saying it was some strategic ploy. I think Jerry wanted to sign the guy and failed.

I do think this was a nice haul for a player expecting a huge money contract when Jones and the Cowboys didn’t have much leverage other than letting him rot.

Two 1sts and a good player for 1 player needing top of the market money is a good deal for the selling team.

This is rare and historically works out better for the selling team.
Saying that he salvaged a bad situation is certainly a reasonable thing to argue. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, and we've certainly seen plenty of the trades you're talking about in recent years (Russ, Jamaal Adams) that ended up being way more disastrous than people thought at the time. Even the Khalil Mack trade, which initially looked like a huge steal for the Bears, ended up being mostly a wash (in part because the Raiders totally fumbled the picks). Also, I jokingly compared it to the Luka trade earlier, but I will certainly concede that two first-rounders > Anthony Davis.

But man, whatever you think of what he did today, I think we can all agree that him letting it get to this point is an all-time fail.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?

No, they should have signed him for $35M at their first opportunity over a year ago.

Regardless of whether the return is enough, or if it ends up working out down the road, they’re only here right now because Jerry Jones has turned Dallas into an unserious, loser franchise that operates on a $200M cash budget and prioritizes profit over winning. All while being the most valuable franchise and having more personal wealth than just about any other owner in the league. You’d think he’d give a crap about something other than dollars like, idk, adding a Super Bowl in the post-modern era to his legacy, but he doesn’t.

As a Washington fan, I’d call it sad if I could stop laughing long enough to get the words out.
 
thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Not speaking for @Grahamburn but I think this absolutley opens a window for them longer term. For sure it was a strategic move.

I'm not sure there's any other way to see it than that.
 
I think Dallas opened a window to get better long term.

How much of Parsons antics are on him and how much is it a direct result of the culture in Dallas?
That’s all you took from my post?
Just re-read it. Don’t see anything else relevant to the discussion other than you said he’s bad against the run, which I agree with.
should Dallas have paid him 50 mil per?

No, they should have signed him for $35M at their first opportunity over a year ago.

Regardless of whether the return is enough, or if it ends up working out down the road, they’re only here right now because Jerry Jones has turned Dallas into an unserious, loser franchise that operates on a $200M cash budget and prioritizes profit over winning. All while being the most valuable franchise and having more personal wealth than just about any other owner in the league. You’d think he’d give a crap about something other than dollars like, idk, adding a Super Bowl in the post-modern era to his legacy, but he doesn’t.

As a Washington fan, I’d call it sad if I could stop laughing long enough to get the words out.
As long as Jones is alive, Dallas will never win another super bowl. UNLESS, of course, he brings an actual football mind in to be their GM. His ways are outdated and terrible for the future of that franchise.
 
thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Not speaking for @Grahamburn but I think this absolutley opens a window for them longer term. For sure it was a strategic move.

I'm not sure there's any other way to see it than that.
I disagree that scrambling to salvage a bad situation is strategic. Strategic would have been what the Vikings did in trading Diggs and then immediately drafting Jefferson as his replacement (one could argue that the Titans were being similarly strategic wtih the AJ Brown trade and just honked the draft pick).

There is simply no way you would come up with a strategy for months of cable yak-show drama and a trade a week before the season
 
thought I saw that, but maybe you're right. Maybe I was thinking of @Grahamburn saying this opens a window for Dallas to be better long-term, which kinda sounds like he's arguing it was a strategic move, but I don't want to be putting words in his mouth.

Not speaking for @Grahamburn but I think this absolutley opens a window for them longer term. For sure it was a strategic move.

I'm not sure there's any other way to see it than that.
It's an incredibly risky move for the long term. It's going to be very hard to replace Parsons and come out ahead somehow with 2 late 1st round picks. Just replacing Parsons with one of those picks is going to be extremely difficult. Getting both picks to hit with high-end starters is almost impossible. I can see a world where Clark is the only starter DAL winds up getting from this deal.
 
It's an incredibly risky move for the long term. It's going to be very hard to replace Parsons and come out ahead somehow with 2 late 1st round picks. Just replacing Parsons with one of those picks is going to be extremely difficult. Getting both picks to hit with high-end starters is almost impossible. I can see a world where Clark is the only starter DAL winds up getting from this deal.

Micah Parsons is great and all but two first round picks could be anything!! They could even be Micah Parsons!!!
 
the more I think about this, the more I side with those saying I don’t love it for GB.

It’s a lot of $, and draft capital to spend on 1 guy, and I’m not exactly seeing the parallels to the Rams here.

Rams went all in with Matt Stafford. Jordan Love is… well, he’s Jordan Love. I’m not entirely sold on Love as a “take the team to the SB” guy, but maybe I’m on an island here.

Packers have the run game and defense. I question whether they have the QB & receivers to get it done. That, to me, is a big difference between what the Rams did and what the Packers are doing.

Hey maybe I’m way wrong and they just became the favorites for a Lombardi. I’ve been wrong before, I’ll be wrong again.
 
How much of that $188 is guaranteed will matter, but that is a huge number. Detroit is still better than GB.
I live in Detroit and I'm not so sure. Parsons will feast on Decker. Our interior line isn't as good.
And while green Bay has Gary and Parsons, Detroit has Hutch off a serious injury and Davenport who probably got hurt reading about the trade.
 
Detroit has Hutch off a serious injury
From everything I’ve read (and I’ve been following the Hutch news closely as I traded for him this offseason) he’s looking every bit as good as he did before the injury. And he looked like a lock for DPOY before the injury.

Still have to see it in real games, but this one may not be a big concern.
 
I know it's the thing to :lmao: at Jerry and Steven Jones for their GM job.

But I judge a GM mostly on the team they put on the field.

Outside of injury (that a GM obviously can't control) I usually feel like Dallas has a competitive roster. Again, that's how I judge a GM.

This year they're # 18 per ESPN. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-ranking-starting-lineups-projection-32-teams

Seems about right. Not great. But not the laughing stock many seem to think they are. :shrug:
 

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