Pat Angerer (1 Viewer)

[avsfan91]

Hey,

Just wanted to see what you guys think of Pat Angerer who had 13 total tackles in week one. What kind of season is he looking at? Was this just a one time thing or will he have a breakout season?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Never heard of the guy. What team does he play for?

 

[Diamond]

Angerer is a 2nd year LB for Indy. Pretty sure Gary Brackett (MLB) and Ernie Sims (WLB?) got banged up in that game. I thought Angerer was at SLB, but not sure what happened after the other guys went out. If they move him to the middle (where he filled in for Brackett last year), he will be a stud. But if both those guys return next week, it could put a damper on his stats. Both Brackett and Sims have a long injury history, so Angerer is definitely worth holding.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I was being facetious. If you scroll down there is another thread on him.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=610505

 

[MindCrime]

Indy Star stating that Brackett out this week. Gotta bump angerer.


#Colts Caldwell said MLB Gary Brackett and OLB Ernie Sims are out for Sunday. Can't remember last time coach has said something like this.

 

[Colts Rule!]

Indy Star stating that Brackett out this week. Gotta bump angerer.https://twitter.com/pwilson24/status/114022373270880256#Colts Caldwell said MLB Gary Brackett and OLB Ernie Sims are out for Sunday. Can't remember last time coach has said something like this.

Colts homer here and Angerer fan as well. Some locals here seem to be fools that don't like Pat. Me, I think he's twice the MLB Brackett is. Gary, I love ya. You're a great leader of this defense and great guy overall. But Angerer is vastly superior in the middle. Watch...as long as Brackett's out and Angerer's in the middle he'll rack FF points up with the best of them. Then Brackett will come back and get his job back and get his 3-4 tackles a game and send Angerer back to the strong side crushing his value in IDP land. Dynasty IDPers better be stashing this guy though if he is actually still available. He'll have that MLB job soon enough and he'll be an every week starter when he does. For now, just enjoy the run while Brackett sits especially while Peyton Hillis runs right through our sorry front 4 35-40 times this weekend. Angerer had 13 tackles last week. Yeah, he could have 25 this week! Oh, it is painful to say that but it's almost not an exaggeration...

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Just passing along a Gary Brackett story from a buddy who lives in Indianapolis, and runs a sports/clothing store there. My buddy is too lazy to ever post on FBGs. (I shared this story with Jene via PM a few days before the regular season)Quote from friend:

"So Gary Brackett comes into the store today and I tell him I need some tackles from him this year because he is on my fantasy team. He tells me,"Ah man, I'm too old, you better trade me for Pat." I said, "Angerer"? He says, "Yeah that guy goes pretty hard." I told him he's on my team too, and he replied, 'Man, you need some LB help. I hope you make some moves before the season starts.'"

Read into it whatever you want.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

 

[Bdub]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight. For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now. I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

 

[flapgreen]

Killing it. Glad I picked up this guy.

 

[CataclysmicThunder]

What a tackling MONSTER. He's all over the field. He's definitely earned the right to permanently man the middle.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

 

[Bdub]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

I just watch games man, I'm not digging up 10 year old examples. I'll throw in 12 other guys if that helps. Lewis was just the first that came into my head. Zach Thomas was given probably twice as many solos as he earned. It happens. Back to Angerer...

 

[Gary Davenport]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

I just watch games man, I'm not digging up 10 year old examples. I'll throw in 12 other guys if that helps. Lewis was just the first that came into my head. Zach Thomas was given probably twice as many solos as he earned. It happens. Back to Angerer...

How about two year old statistics? Or any, really, since that's what we IDP guys get our grooves on about. Otherwise, you come across as the scruffy old dude in the yellow shorts and black socks that's still p****d about a game in '02 where Zach Thomas got a solo you thought should be an assist.So far as Angerer, great statistical game, great dynasty linebacker, great redraft sell high.

 

[krsone21]

Pat Angerer was in beast mode yesterday. I'm a huge Hawkeye fan and I'm happy to see Angerer do so well in the pros, he was a beast for the Iowa Hawkeyes.

 

[kapp]

Very interested to see what Indy does with this situation when Gary Brackett is ready to come back.

 

[Sleeperz]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

I just watch games man, I'm not digging up 10 year old examples. I'll throw in 12 other guys if that helps. Lewis was just the first that came into my head. Zach Thomas was given probably twice as many solos as he earned. It happens. Back to Angerer...

How about two year old statistics? Or any, really, since that's what we IDP guys get our grooves on about. Otherwise, you come across as the scruffy old dude in the yellow shorts and black socks that's still p****d about a game in '02 where Zach Thomas got a solo you thought should be an assist.So far as Angerer, great statistical game, great dynasty linebacker, great redraft sell high.

The fact is, there are huge differences between tackles and assisted tackles awarded between the scorekeepers out there for every home team. I put something out last year for everyone to see and plan on doing it again this week. Hopefully I have enough time to keep it going all year. You only really need a few weeks or so to see the trends. This is the main reason why I pass on guys like Laurinaitis for someone of equal value at my drafts. He literally gets screwed unless he is there all by his lonesome making the tackle. He is just one example and Lewis is another for the opposite reasons. I have personally seen Lewis barely get a hand on a guy and get awarded an assist, or even a solo when he wasn't the first guy to the ball carrier. It is 100% true.On Angerer....pissed that I missed on him this year, got taken 2 picks before me in my main IDP league. I think he will play himself into a bigger role this year even when Brackett comes back. I wouldn't sell high. I can't see Brackett playing anywhere else than MLB though and I can't see them benching him for Pat. He is still the team capt.

 

[tonka]

Anyone have any idea what's going to happen when Brackett is ready to return?

 

[Khy]

Anyone have any idea what's going to happen when Brackett is ready to return?

Yea, was kind of wondering the same thing. With Brackett coming back does it hurt his production a ton? Or is it worth looking else where starting this week?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

I just watch games man, I'm not digging up 10 year old examples. I'll throw in 12 other guys if that helps. Lewis was just the first that came into my head. Zach Thomas was given probably twice as many solos as he earned. It happens. Back to Angerer...

How about two year old statistics? Or any, really, since that's what we IDP guys get our grooves on about. Otherwise, you come across as the scruffy old dude in the yellow shorts and black socks that's still p****d about a game in '02 where Zach Thomas got a solo you thought should be an assist.So far as Angerer, great statistical game, great dynasty linebacker, great redraft sell high.

The fact is, there are huge differences between tackles and assisted tackles awarded between the scorekeepers out there for every home team. I put something out last year for everyone to see and plan on doing it again this week. Hopefully I have enough time to keep it going all year. You only really need a few weeks or so to see the trends. This is the main reason why I pass on guys like Laurinaitis for someone of equal value at my drafts. He literally gets screwed unless he is there all by his lonesome making the tackle. He is just one example and Lewis is another for the opposite reasons. I have personally seen Lewis barely get a hand on a guy and get awarded an assist, or even a solo when he wasn't the first guy to the ball carrier. It is 100% true.On Angerer....pissed that I missed on him this year, got taken 2 picks before me in my main IDP league. I think he will play himself into a bigger role this year even when Brackett comes back. I wouldn't sell high. I can't see Brackett playing anywhere else than MLB though and I can't see them benching him for Pat. He is still the team capt.

This is just a popular misconception. I have watched every down he has played for the last 10 years. For example, Lewis did not get credit for a solo or a forced fumble on this play yesterday. It was blatantly obvious.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/126564973/Getty-Images-Sport

Also, look at the numbers:

105 home games/221 assists = 2.1 assists per home game

108 road games/210 assists = 1.94 assists per road game

If someone was trying to credit anyone with tackles they weren't making, they are doing a rather poor job in my opinion.

The point is, just because you think something is a particular way and don't particularly like a a player doesn't mean that it is true and your opinion without any facts or footage is pretty worthless.

An example of a team getting some charity assists for stat padding purposes would be Week 1 this season Falcons/Bears. The Falcons were credited with 2 total assists while the Bears were credited with 22.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/live/NFL_20110911_ATL@CHI

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Personally, Angerer should have gotten more solos last night... But all I gotta say is he was all over the place, even in Special Teams. If he doesn't get the start in MIKE, Indy's making a big mistake. I can't remember the last time Brackett came close to 10 tackles in a game.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Personally, Angerer should have gotten more solos last night... But all I gotta say is he was all over the place, even in Special Teams. If he doesn't get the start in MIKE, Indy's making a big mistake. I can't remember the last time Brackett came close to 10 tackles in a game.

Tackles can be a misleading statistic. Often times, a top tackling linebacker isn't a tremendous asset to his NFL team. Big tackle numbers could mean a dominant performance (i.e. Patrick Willis) or it could mean well above-average opportunity or a well below-average supporting cast (or both). I think last night was Angerer's best game in some time, but there were still instances of the inconsistent play that's kept him from taking over sooner (in the base defense or nickel packages).Ultimately, assuming Gary Brackett can get back to his usual steady self, the decision comes down to whether the Colts like Brackett/Angerer or Angerer/Wheeler. I'd expect that the team chooses the former until/unless the season spirals further out of control.

 

[Khy]

Ultimately, assuming Gary Brackett can get back to his usual steady self, the decision comes down to whether the Colts like Brackett/Angerer or Angerer/Wheeler. I'd expect that the team chooses the former until/unless the season spirals further out of control.

Would this make Angerer a drop then as it's looking like Brackett should be back this week? And instead pickup Bowman or Chaney someone that will be on the inside as a definite for the remainder of the season?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Ultimately, assuming Gary Brackett can get back to his usual steady self, the decision comes down to whether the Colts like Brackett/Angerer or Angerer/Wheeler. I'd expect that the team chooses the former until/unless the season spirals further out of control.

Would this make Angerer a drop then as it's looking like Brackett should be back this week?

It puts Angerer back in the same situation he was two weeks ago -- a very high upside LB4/LB5, but with upside dependent on depth chart rather than base offensive matchup. In other words, he goes back to where Desmond Bishop was this time last season. I'd prefer not to morph these general threads into team specific advice discussions, but, in the short term, every-down LB3++ like Bowman, Chaney, Lee, Maualuga, etc. will again -- in general -- be better weekly plays than Angerer. This week, the Tampa Bay matchup would probably set up well for him in either role. It's on the road and the Bucs would prefer not to use spread offensive sets as their primary offensive alignment. It'll be a totally different story in Week 5, when Angerer would be at risk of seeing very few snaps as a base defense SLB only at home v KC.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Personally, Angerer should have gotten more solos last night... But all I gotta say is he was all over the place, even in Special Teams. If he doesn't get the start in MIKE, Indy's making a big mistake. I can't remember the last time Brackett came close to 10 tackles in a game.

Tackles can be a misleading statistic. Often times, a top tackling linebacker isn't a tremendous asset to his NFL team. Big tackle numbers could mean a dominant performance (i.e. Patrick Willis) or it could mean well above-average opportunity or a well below-average supporting cast (or both). I think last night was Angerer's best game in some time, but there were still instances of the inconsistent play that's kept him from taking over sooner (in the base defense or nickel packages).Ultimately, assuming Gary Brackett can get back to his usual steady self, the decision comes down to whether the Colts like Brackett/Angerer or Angerer/Wheeler. I'd expect that the team chooses the former until/unless the season spirals further out of control.

Yes I realize that Jene but Pitt ran 28 times for 67 yards. And Angerer had a lot to do with that result.

 

[GeauxTigers]

I don't care. When a LB gets 20 total tackles in one game, the dude will be on the field making plays. I'm starting him every week until he records a bad game.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Gary Brackett to IR today.

Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

 

[DesmondBishop]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

 

[Sleeperz]

Angerer has 9 assists tonight.

For comparison, Laurinaitis has 8 in his 18 career home games. lol

I can't stand Indy's scorekeeper. Pat got screwed on 3 to 4 solos last week with all the assists, and he has tonight too. Same for Conner. If you don't completely "Solo" the tackle in Indy, it seems you get an assist. Touch the guy on the back after he's down and you create assists on the play. It's way different in Indy than when they award Ray Lewis a solo every time he lifts a finger. Either way you look at it, Angerer is ALL over the place tonight. Brackett can't even dream about being in on that many plays anymore. I'm gonna be sad when he comes back and forces Pat back outside. Courtesy veteran obligation is all it is, as the Colts D is a lot better with Angerer on the field every down. He calls in the plays and sets the defense pretty good now.

I saw a shot of him tonight with a bloody mouth, and I swear he was missing a few of his teeth. Did anybody see that? Tough as nails....

Do you have any evidence of this? I have never seen this and I have been a Lewis Owner since 2001.

I just watch games man, I'm not digging up 10 year old examples. I'll throw in 12 other guys if that helps. Lewis was just the first that came into my head. Zach Thomas was given probably twice as many solos as he earned. It happens. Back to Angerer...

How about two year old statistics? Or any, really, since that's what we IDP guys get our grooves on about. Otherwise, you come across as the scruffy old dude in the yellow shorts and black socks that's still p****d about a game in '02 where Zach Thomas got a solo you thought should be an assist.So far as Angerer, great statistical game, great dynasty linebacker, great redraft sell high.

The fact is, there are huge differences between tackles and assisted tackles awarded between the scorekeepers out there for every home team. I put something out last year for everyone to see and plan on doing it again this week. Hopefully I have enough time to keep it going all year. You only really need a few weeks or so to see the trends. This is the main reason why I pass on guys like Laurinaitis for someone of equal value at my drafts. He literally gets screwed unless he is there all by his lonesome making the tackle. He is just one example and Lewis is another for the opposite reasons. I have personally seen Lewis barely get a hand on a guy and get awarded an assist, or even a solo when he wasn't the first guy to the ball carrier. It is 100% true.On Angerer....pissed that I missed on him this year, got taken 2 picks before me in my main IDP league. I think he will play himself into a bigger role this year even when Brackett comes back. I wouldn't sell high. I can't see Brackett playing anywhere else than MLB though and I can't see them benching him for Pat. He is still the team capt.

This is just a popular misconception. I have watched every down he has played for the last 10 years. For example, Lewis did not get credit for a solo or a forced fumble on this play yesterday. It was blatantly obvious.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/126564973/Getty-Images-Sport

Also, look at the numbers:

105 home games/221 assists = 2.1 assists per home game

108 road games/210 assists = 1.94 assists per road game

If someone was trying to credit anyone with tackles they weren't making, they are doing a rather poor job in my opinion.

The point is, just because you think something is a particular way and don't particularly like a a player doesn't mean that it is true and your opinion without any facts or footage is pretty worthless.

An example of a team getting some charity assists for stat padding purposes would be Week 1 this season Falcons/Bears. The Falcons were credited with 2 total assists while the Bears were credited with 22.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/live/NFL_20110911_ATL@CHI

1st point: Like I said, I have seen it with my own eyes as well as a good friend of mine who watches every Ravens game. The guy is a huge Lewis fan. I can recall a few phone calls where we were both laughing at the "Ghost of Ray Lewis" just got another tackle awarded to him. Even one of his biggest fans has seen this. It doesn't happen all of the time, and it doesn't just apply to Lewis, but it does happen regardless of what you say.2nd point: I don't "think something is a particular way". I have seen it happen and have nothing against Lewis, I think hes one of the greats. If I say that I have seen it, it means that I have seen it. who are you to come here and tell me I don't? I don't come here to spew rumors or untruths. I never have. I don't appreciate the comment.

On subject....

I wonder what will happen with Conner now that Brackett is headed to IR. Anyone who has Angerer has struck gold for the remainder of the season. Any chance Conner stays in sub packages even when Simms returns? I heard he was supposed to replace Conner on passing downs.

 

[Colts Rule!]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

Are you guys crazy? Other locals here seem to be. Brackett sucks. He has for a couple years now. And I love the guy. He truly is a warrior. But the dude can't hold Angerer's jock. Hopefully now that Brackett's off to IR where he should be everyone will hush and my Colts can't screw this up and put him back in the middle. It's Angerer's job for a long time boys. Hopefully you jumped before now. Or if you're in a shallow league and he's still out there you best jump now because yeah, he's going to finish as a top 5-10 LB this year almost certainly. What is it that people don't think he does well exactly? The guy's everywhere and he is there faster than anybody this defense has had in a LONG time...maybe ever...

 

[Jene Bramel]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

Are you guys crazy? Other locals here seem to be. Brackett sucks. He has for a couple years now. And I love the guy. He truly is a warrior. But the dude can't hold Angerer's jock. Hopefully now that Brackett's off to IR where he should be everyone will hush and my Colts can't screw this up and put him back in the middle. It's Angerer's job for a long time boys. Hopefully you jumped before now. Or if you're in a shallow league and he's still out there you best jump now because yeah, he's going to finish as a top 5-10 LB this year almost certainly. What is it that people don't think he does well exactly? The guy's everywhere and he is there faster than anybody this defense has had in a LONG time...maybe ever...

Angerer has been inconsistent against the run at times. He's looked much better over the past two weeks, getting off blocks regularly and much more of a downhill presence. That's not to say that Gary Brackett was special in that regard.This is a fantasy discussion. While I/we have argued that Angerer deserves a look in nickel packages, he's been well down the depth chart in subpackages since he began seeing snaps. The "not much" that might hold back are the 10-40 snaps a game he may not be on the field should the Colts decide to use Conner and Sims as their nickel backers. I don't think that happens now that Brackett is on IR, but it's not a trivial consideration.

 

[Khy]

Mannnn... Brackett being placed on IR is really terrible news. I just dropped Angerer earlier this week thinking Brackett would come back this week (read on quite a few sites he would be). Just hoping others in my league really haven't noticed him yet and when he falls of the WW tonight (in an hour) I can get him back on my roster.

 

[Colts Rule!]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

Are you guys crazy? Other locals here seem to be. Brackett sucks. He has for a couple years now. And I love the guy. He truly is a warrior. But the dude can't hold Angerer's jock. Hopefully now that Brackett's off to IR where he should be everyone will hush and my Colts can't screw this up and put him back in the middle. It's Angerer's job for a long time boys. Hopefully you jumped before now. Or if you're in a shallow league and he's still out there you best jump now because yeah, he's going to finish as a top 5-10 LB this year almost certainly. What is it that people don't think he does well exactly? The guy's everywhere and he is there faster than anybody this defense has had in a LONG time...maybe ever...

Angerer has been inconsistent against the run at times. He's looked much better over the past two weeks, getting off blocks regularly and much more of a downhill presence. That's not to say that Gary Brackett was special in that regard.This is a fantasy discussion. While I/we have argued that Angerer deserves a look in nickel packages, he's been well down the depth chart in subpackages since he began seeing snaps. The "not much" that might hold back are the 10-40 snaps a game he may not be on the field should the Colts decide to use Conner and Sims as their nickel backers. I don't think that happens now that Brackett is on IR, but it's not a trivial consideration.

So, theoretically if Conner and Sims became the subpackage guys, who would wear the dot on the helmet? Angerer seems to be doing a good job of getting the defense set to me. If nothing else, wouldn't it be a bit of a hassle for him to come off the field because of that?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

Are you guys crazy? Other locals here seem to be. Brackett sucks. He has for a couple years now. And I love the guy. He truly is a warrior. But the dude can't hold Angerer's jock. Hopefully now that Brackett's off to IR where he should be everyone will hush and my Colts can't screw this up and put him back in the middle. It's Angerer's job for a long time boys. Hopefully you jumped before now. Or if you're in a shallow league and he's still out there you best jump now because yeah, he's going to finish as a top 5-10 LB this year almost certainly. What is it that people don't think he does well exactly? The guy's everywhere and he is there faster than anybody this defense has had in a LONG time...maybe ever...

Angerer has been inconsistent against the run at times. He's looked much better over the past two weeks, getting off blocks regularly and much more of a downhill presence. That's not to say that Gary Brackett was special in that regard.This is a fantasy discussion. While I/we have argued that Angerer deserves a look in nickel packages, he's been well down the depth chart in subpackages since he began seeing snaps. The "not much" that might hold back are the 10-40 snaps a game he may not be on the field should the Colts decide to use Conner and Sims as their nickel backers. I don't think that happens now that Brackett is on IR, but it's not a trivial consideration.

So, theoretically if Conner and Sims became the subpackage guys, who would wear the dot on the helmet? Angerer seems to be doing a good job of getting the defense set to me. If nothing else, wouldn't it be a bit of a hassle for him to come off the field because of that?

Some teams have had a safety wear the communicator. Others have their nickel specialist or an OLB do it. Bethea, Sims and Conner would all be candidates.

 

[kapp]

Brackett on IR? Weren't people reporting that he may come back from injury this week? Very suspicious Indy.

 

[Colts Rule!]

Gary Brackett to IR today.Not much holding Angerer back from a huge year now.

He has a good shot at top 5 now.

Are you guys crazy? Other locals here seem to be. Brackett sucks. He has for a couple years now. And I love the guy. He truly is a warrior. But the dude can't hold Angerer's jock. Hopefully now that Brackett's off to IR where he should be everyone will hush and my Colts can't screw this up and put him back in the middle. It's Angerer's job for a long time boys. Hopefully you jumped before now. Or if you're in a shallow league and he's still out there you best jump now because yeah, he's going to finish as a top 5-10 LB this year almost certainly. What is it that people don't think he does well exactly? The guy's everywhere and he is there faster than anybody this defense has had in a LONG time...maybe ever...

Angerer has been inconsistent against the run at times. He's looked much better over the past two weeks, getting off blocks regularly and much more of a downhill presence. That's not to say that Gary Brackett was special in that regard.This is a fantasy discussion. While I/we have argued that Angerer deserves a look in nickel packages, he's been well down the depth chart in subpackages since he began seeing snaps. The "not much" that might hold back are the 10-40 snaps a game he may not be on the field should the Colts decide to use Conner and Sims as their nickel backers. I don't think that happens now that Brackett is on IR, but it's not a trivial consideration.

So, theoretically if Conner and Sims became the subpackage guys, who would wear the dot on the helmet? Angerer seems to be doing a good job of getting the defense set to me. If nothing else, wouldn't it be a bit of a hassle for him to come off the field because of that?

Some teams have had a safety wear the communicator. Others have their nickel specialist or an OLB do it. Bethea, Sims and Conner would all be candidates.

Sims doesn't know the defense well enough. I know he comes out of the same Tampa 2 but I've got to believe he hasn't been around long enough to get it. I'm not convinced he "got it" when he was in Detroit. Conner is a 2nd year player that was a 6th round pick last year. I love him and think he is fine as a replacement to Session but setting up the D...I don't see it yet. What makes you think he can? Angerer is the only guy other than Brackett that has shown he "can" do it. I didn't address Bethea I suppose simply because I'm not used to seeing a safety do this and have no idea if he can. I guess this is probably more of a question for Larry Coyer or Jim Caldwell but I know they aren't going to answer it if I can even track them down So, I rest either on my own eyes in that Angerer is the only one not on IR that I have seen capable or will settle on whatever reasoning could be out there to back up Sims, Conner, or Bethea. I see those guys as hypothetical fits for IF Angerer can't get it done though and I still don't see what question there would be to suggest he can't.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

24 assists in 3 home games for this guy.

On pace for 64 home assists.

Mayo led the NFL last season in assists with 61 total in all 16 games.

 

[qimqam]

Angerer not so good lately ... definitely not the same on the road ... doesn't get the assists

 

[Khy]

Being in a league where only solo's matter I'm debating dropping him for Hawthorne or Derrick Johnson... can't decide right now though on who is better of the three.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Only solos? Damn that's gotta hurt with Angerer. Half of his tackles are assisted.

 

[Khy]

Only solos? Damn that's gotta hurt with Angerer. Half of his tackles are assisted.

Yea he had a few good weeks for me but right now it seems like Colts score keepers forgot that players do make tackles on their own. Hence me debating snagging Hawthorne or Johnson as they are probably the best options on WW right now.