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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (9 Viewers)
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Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
Seriously? I don't even think your fellow Pats Fans would agree with this. Patriots cheating and tarnished legacy is pretty much an Internet meme at this point. Every article you can find just about mentions some variant of "past cheating" , "bending the rules", etc.
And it's not just a few NFL media members, it's a whole laundry list of all kinds of media/members. I've seen articles in every kind of media, not just niche football fan stuff.
And of course, it's not just based on Mort's word. You're kind of deluded.
12punch
Footballguy
refs couldn't tell the difference. Riiiiiiight
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The NFL could have came out today with a live camera feed that was with the footballs the entire day and he would still would have said cover up.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
And put the blame on the refs? Yeah right. The general public will forget/forgive a megastar for things like this, but if the public found out the refs might not be doing 110% of their job... that's bad. Not to mention the reaction speed for the NFL on any sort of PR nonsense is glacier-like.
ratbast
Footballguy
If they planned to inspect the balls at halftime, why didn't they inspect them at least thoroughly pregame? They could not have been alerted. The NFL would have made sure NE would NOT have tampered. Or at least they should have.
The Colts suspected it during the regular season and supposedly alerted officials before the game, and the league didn't notify NE? that is just dumb by the league. Way to go risk management.
Has it ever been discussed the concept of the balls coming out to the cold and then going back in? Where were they tested and at what temp? Does the up and down temp throw out scientific analysis? Like psi?
As far as we are being told the Indy balls measured within the threshold of psi. Could they be conceivably originally maxed out or even over maxed and now at bare minimum? Perhaps they went thru the same transformation but Luck likes his footballs like Rogers?
This sucks for Pats fans any way we slice it, My guess is there is no conclusive evidence by the NFL and they now will be strict with the testing.
Blah, whatever, I know its reaching. Either way the whole thing has ruined or at least cut down the fun for the Pat's fans. Mission accomplished.
The Colts suspected it during the regular season and supposedly alerted officials before the game, and the league didn't notify NE? that is just dumb by the league. Way to go risk management.
Has it ever been discussed the concept of the balls coming out to the cold and then going back in? Where were they tested and at what temp? Does the up and down temp throw out scientific analysis? Like psi?
As far as we are being told the Indy balls measured within the threshold of psi. Could they be conceivably originally maxed out or even over maxed and now at bare minimum? Perhaps they went thru the same transformation but Luck likes his footballs like Rogers?
This sucks for Pats fans any way we slice it, My guess is there is no conclusive evidence by the NFL and they now will be strict with the testing.
Blah, whatever, I know its reaching. Either way the whole thing has ruined or at least cut down the fun for the Pat's fans. Mission accomplished.
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12punch
Footballguy
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Bucky86
Footballguy
No chance the NFL throws the refs under the bus. Someone big at the Patriots is taking the fall for this. I'm sure the refs "know" things that the NFL doesn't want made public.
Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
This is why you're having such difficulty here. You totally miss the point. The media isn't taking a stand against "ball deflation", they are taking a stand against cheating in sports. Everyone (well, almost everyone) wants a level playing field, even with the minutiae, at the margins of the rules, particularly at this level. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Run It Up
Footballguy
Ive been saying it for a few days now, I don't think they are gonna find anything condemning. They are taking the investigation as seriously as possible because of how much it blew up overnight and they don't want it to look like they are white washing the issue during a two week period where there will be no actual news.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
lets not sweep this tid bit under the rug...the media had this guy being the whistleblower when in fact he never even noticed the ball feeling deflated in the first place ...this is HUGE
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Run It Up
Footballguy
We've known this for days, when Kravitz originally made the claim from an 'unknown source' he also claimed that it was brought to their attention when D'qwell noticed it. D'qwell refuted pretty much immediately, I believe he even said so on Kravitz's show.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right now
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So what do we even know for sure right now? We know the league has spoken to Belichick about this (and not Brady). Anything else? Is Mortinson's report all that this is going on?
Koya
Footballguy
What's huge?
The pattern of cheating has been long established. Only a fool or fanatic could not see that.
And while some of us have a chance to throw a little bait onto the steaming pile of ugly truth and honesty here, the harsh reality is that much as I dislike the Steelers far more than the Pats, I still respect them (although the sideline thing was bs).
So please don't hide behind it's hating because of success. It's hating tainted success and with it, that much doubt and loss of faith in a sport we love.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
who`s WE ? You have a mouse in your pocket? this is the first time its been brought up ...unless you can prove otherwise
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Yeah that should shut everybody up. Another example of something we assumed was a "fact of the case" that turns out to be untrue.
For those that don't read links, DQwell said he never noticed the difference in air pressure in the ball he intercepted.
dschuler
Footballguy
What instrument did they originally use to determine the balls were at 12.5 psi?
What instrument did they use to determine the balls were at 10psi?
What is the accuracy of both of the instruments? if you are familiar with gauges, the error is more than you might think.
At what temperature did they use to measure the psi on the ball?
How much can psi change throughout the course of a day, including a football game?
These things could all easily lead to more than a net change in psi than what occurred in the Pats/Colts game.
What instrument did they use to determine the balls were at 10psi?
What is the accuracy of both of the instruments? if you are familiar with gauges, the error is more than you might think.
At what temperature did they use to measure the psi on the ball?
How much can psi change throughout the course of a day, including a football game?
These things could all easily lead to more than a net change in psi than what occurred in the Pats/Colts game.
shader
Footballguy
I don't recall seeing this once in this thread. If I'm wrong, fine. But people have been running with the "DQwell noticed it but brady and the refs didnt" line all day long.
Koya
Footballguy
1. The Patriots and "credibility" are long lost. Regardless where you think the team is in the Pantheon of great franchises.
2. Deflated balls is NOT the reason the Pats won. That is hardly disputable in fact. They destroyed the Colts. Which makes it that much more infuriating that they may have (probably did in historical context) cheated. Goes back to my Nixon scenario.
Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
Again, not really. You guys are comical in your desperate circling of the wagons. There's reasonable precedent to expect "cover-up" based on the league response to Spy-Gate. Media was almost unanimous in complaining about the lack of transparency in that case.
Then add in their handling of the Ray Rice thing and the supposed "independent" investigation (lead by a former FBI director who apparently was the lead lawyer for the law firm that negotiated the league's last TV contract) and I'd say it's completely reasonable to expect a "cover-up" to some degree at least. They will do anything to protect the brand, it's just a question of what they judge their best response to be based on cost-benefit, which I guess will have only incidental relationship to the truth.
shader
Footballguy
The NFL has some of these answers and still hasn't given us a timeline, which is quite unbelievable. There are only four or five facts that need to be known, and they all could have been established Monday.
Run It Up
Footballguy
From page 29 of this thread, I only posted it cause I had heard from like 20 different places that he denied the rumor that he brought it to anyones attention.
shader
Footballguy
If they wanted to protect their brand, they could have easily killed the story Monday.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Right, but the question then is did they do it in other games too. They beat the Ravens by 4 the week before. What if they did it in that game? There are rumors flying around that both the Colts and Ravens had noticed it prior to the AFC Championship game. Not sure those are fact yet, but if they become as much then that's a pretty big deal. Who knows how far back it goes.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
well it seems to me that the only people making a bigger deal out of this is the haters ...the actual players on the colts team dont have any issues with this whole stupid deflategate crap and they should be the only ones who should
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
well you`re the only one to mention it...seems it got swept away by all the crazy cheaters talk
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
My goodness this drama is what we are being spoonfed prior to the Super Bowl? Who gives A RIP!
Run It Up
Footballguy
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Greg Fitzsimmons @GregFitzShow 15s16 seconds ago
The Pats are not the 1st athletes to illegally deflate their balls #steroids
The Pats are not the 1st athletes to illegally deflate their balls #steroids
12punch
Footballguy
you mean that thing where tomlin tried to tackle a guy on the field?
what's wrong with that?
not like the football was 10% underinflated
Koya
Footballguy
Just about any other team and this isn't a big deal. it's an issue and kinda bs but hey, #### happen.
A repeated history of organisational level, coordinated cheating?
Pats have forever lost any benefit of a doubt and, unfortunately, their success, great as it is, will always be looked at with the *
12punch
Footballguy
noticed it but never said anything, thereby letting the pats keep this tremendous advantage which led to a 4 point win
ok
12punch
Footballguy
12punch
Footballguy
randall146
Footballguy
I don't want to rehash this whole ridiculous thread, but what pattern are you talking about? A pattern would require at least 2 and generally 3 incidents. What "cheating" episodes are you referring to except Spygate (which was really rule-breaking more than cheating)?
dschuler
Footballguy
People should wait for the facts and the investigation. 2.5 psi isn't ####. The NFL is so outdated on so many levels I wouldn't be surprised if they were using a psi gauge from an Autozone. You guys are complaining about air pressure in a ball and we measure first downs with sticks and chains and an old man who looks drunk trying to walk the ball down the field in a straight line. Really?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?
shader
Footballguy
I've always wondered how they KNOW the first down markers are exactly ten yards. It seems like such guesswork, and is even funnier when they go to "instant replay".
Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
when you've been convicted before, you don't get to say that. cheating for a two time felon is bigger than cheating for a first time offender.
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