Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[The Kerminator]

Just got home from work and checking in here. See we have another 5+ pages posted here. Too lazy to read through them all. Any thing new happen I should know about? Cliff notes please.

 

[12punch]

I think #5800 is the most interesting, but it's hard to keep track

edit: also a couple other cheaters documented --- bill walsh and phil jackson, if you're into that stuff

 

[ROCKET]

Just got home from work and checking in here. See we have another 5+ pages posted here. Too lazy to read through them all. Any thing new happen I should know about? Cliff notes please.

It's all over. The Colts admitted to deflating all the balls and the Pats are exonerated. Just waiting for the commish to hand down sentencing now. News conference scheduled for 10 EST tonight.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Just got home from work and checking in here. See we have another 5+ pages posted here. Too lazy to read through them all. Any thing new happen I should know about? Cliff notes please.

It's all over. The Colts admitted to deflating all the balls and the Pats are exonerated. Just waiting for the commish to hand down sentencing now. News conference scheduled for 10 EST tonight.

actually Goodell was overheard saying ''i cant believe the exposure we are getting because of a few under inflated balls that had nothing to do with the game it happened during...but god bless the dumb asses who keep talking about it hahahaha''

 

[Tango]

Lets forget about guilt or innocence for a minute. I have one glaring question aside from all of that.

I would say at this point it is a fair assumption that the NFL set up a sting operation for the AFCG against the Pats after being tipped off about ball psi issues.

A lot of people have said back in the day a commish like Tagliabue would have called the Pats and said knock it off, we are watching etc.

So am I to believe that this will be the leagues policy going forward?

If that were the case I would think we will see another sting operation in the not too distant future as it's very common for teams to question other teams on different aspects of pushing the rules.

What kind of precedent has this set and do you see it continuing?

This idea is the crux of my belief that Goodell will be done as Commissioner. I can't imagine the other 31 owners can look at this and think it's an acceptable tactic (assuming it was a pre-planned sting, vs. a response to in game accusations from the first half) going forward. If it was a sting, I think the owners collectively set the precedent that it's unacceptable, and they do so by forcing Rog to resign.

The sources say it wasnt a sting operation- or at least the refs weren't in on it. Which is why the NFL is scrambling now and cant produce the obvious evidence it should have had if it was a sting. If it was a sting it would be open and shut and they certainly wouldnt have played half an AFC Championship game with illegal balls.

I'm not sure of anything at this point. Maybe the refs were not part of it but it looks pretty premeditated by the league going in. This wasn't all put together after kickoff.

No the Colts were demonstrably going to make a stink about the balls, there's no question about that. Whether Kensil had anything to do with this at all is an open question. I dont suppose its odd for him to be on the sidelines during playoff games, but who knows.

It could well have been an opportunity thing, this is what makes sense to me-

-Colts, being butthurt about their regular season loss and hearing the Ravens ##### about the balls decide they are going to challenge them

-They finally get ahold of a Pats ball near halftime, they convene a braintrust around the ball to decide its under pressured (they were always going to decide it was under pressure).

- Kensil is either called over, or he had an idea that this was going to come up. Maybe he gives his two cents, maybe they measure the ball, maybe Kensil weighs in on the Colts behalf and nudges the refs into checking the balls.

-Refs check, balls swapped, game ends.

-Colts leak the report that the balls were found underpressured.

That could easily have been the case without any preplanned sting. It certainly seems like the Colts were driving this thing.

I either read it or heard it on the radio, but someone reported that the Colts submitted a concern about deflated balls in a document that each team sends to the Officials prior to each game.

Tim Hasselbeck said this on WEEI. He sounded very well informed about it. Basically what he said was:

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

- The Colts report their concerns to the league somehow after the game.

- Before each and every single game, an official has a teleconference with members from the two teams playing. They bring up things that they're going to be on the lookout for. Whatever is being highlighted that week for whatever reason. Like before each Ravens/Steelers game they probably talk about personal fouls or late hits, etc. Stuff like that. Before the AFC Championship game, the officials bring up the deflated ball thing from earlier in the year. Like hey Patriots, we're going to be on the watch for this because the Colts reported it as an issue last time.

- Then, D'Qwell Jackson picks off Tom Brady. D'Qwell Jackson's like OMG Brady's amazing, I can't believe I intercepted a pass from him, I'm going to give this to my grandkids. He gives the ball to the equipment manager to keep. The equipment manager's like WTF this ball is deflated too! He reports it to the league officials (game day operations guy or something), which prompts the balls being tested at half-time.

The rest is history.

that sounds about exacrly what I expected

FWIW, this is exactly what Mort reported on day 1 of this whole thing happening. The FIRST time it was talked about on Sportscenter, this is how it was described.

I have no idea why the web outlets never picked this series of events up, but this is how it was presented literally the first time it was mentioned on television.

Remember, Harbaugh admitted (not a no-source report or Hasselbeck speculation) that the Ravens special teams (yes, special teams..k-balls) complained to him and then viola, the NFL was interviewing them days later. So the Ravens sprung a pretty big leak here.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Jeff Blake says every team deflates footballs:

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12244290

 

[Old Smiley]

Jeff Blake says every team deflates footballs:

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12244290

Yeah, but he's talking about before the 2006 rule change.

 

[Anarchy99]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be — I don't think I used the word exonerated — but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

 

[GoBirds]

Jeff Blake says every team deflates footballs:http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12244290

Yeah, but he's talking about before the 2006 rule change.

Anybody else come out and say it, maybe that's played in the last 10 years?

Gotta love Blake getting him some press, ECU all time great. Had to do some digging to find him haha.

 

[Road Warriors]

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

Anyone know what the weather was like in the Lucas Oil Dome that day? Like, -20C?

And why would a Patriots employee be carrying the balls from the referee's room to the field in Lucas Oil Dome?

We are still on the "locker room attendant piss break" theory, right?

 

[12punch]

Jeff Blake says every team deflates footballs:

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12244290

"So I don't know what the big deal is. It's not something that's not been done for 20 years."

salty trolls might as well be throwing themselves down a flight of stairs for our entertainment

 

[Old Smiley]

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

Anyone know what the weather was like in the Lucas Oil Dome that day? Like, -20C?

And why would a Patriots employee be carrying the balls from the referee's room to the field in Lucas Oil Dome?

We are still on the "locker room attendant piss break" theory, right?

We seem actually to have had something else shiny dangled before the media today.

 

[General Tso]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be — I don't think I used the word exonerated — but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

 

[12punch]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

 

[GoBirds]

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

Anyone know what the weather was like in the Lucas Oil Dome that day? Like, -20C?

My scientific calculations say that's about right...it was due to climate.

 

[GoBirds]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Lets forget about guilt or innocence for a minute. I have one glaring question aside from all of that.

I would say at this point it is a fair assumption that the NFL set up a sting operation for the AFCG against the Pats after being tipped off about ball psi issues.

A lot of people have said back in the day a commish like Tagliabue would have called the Pats and said knock it off, we are watching etc.

So am I to believe that this will be the leagues policy going forward?

If that were the case I would think we will see another sting operation in the not too distant future as it's very common for teams to question other teams on different aspects of pushing the rules.

What kind of precedent has this set and do you see it continuing?

This idea is the crux of my belief that Goodell will be done as Commissioner. I can't imagine the other 31 owners can look at this and think it's an acceptable tactic (assuming it was a pre-planned sting, vs. a response to in game accusations from the first half) going forward. If it was a sting, I think the owners collectively set the precedent that it's unacceptable, and they do so by forcing Rog to resign.

The sources say it wasnt a sting operation- or at least the refs weren't in on it. Which is why the NFL is scrambling now and cant produce the obvious evidence it should have had if it was a sting. If it was a sting it would be open and shut and they certainly wouldnt have played half an AFC Championship game with illegal balls.

I'm not sure of anything at this point. Maybe the refs were not part of it but it looks pretty premeditated by the league going in. This wasn't all put together after kickoff.

No the Colts were demonstrably going to make a stink about the balls, there's no question about that. Whether Kensil had anything to do with this at all is an open question. I dont suppose its odd for him to be on the sidelines during playoff games, but who knows.

It could well have been an opportunity thing, this is what makes sense to me-

-Colts, being butthurt about their regular season loss and hearing the Ravens ##### about the balls decide they are going to challenge them

-They finally get ahold of a Pats ball near halftime, they convene a braintrust around the ball to decide its under pressured (they were always going to decide it was under pressure).

- Kensil is either called over, or he had an idea that this was going to come up. Maybe he gives his two cents, maybe they measure the ball, maybe Kensil weighs in on the Colts behalf and nudges the refs into checking the balls.

-Refs check, balls swapped, game ends.

-Colts leak the report that the balls were found underpressured.

That could easily have been the case without any preplanned sting. It certainly seems like the Colts were driving this thing.

I either read it or heard it on the radio, but someone reported that the Colts submitted a concern about deflated balls in a document that each team sends to the Officials prior to each game.

Tim Hasselbeck said this on WEEI. He sounded very well informed about it. Basically what he said was:

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

- The Colts report their concerns to the league somehow after the game.

- Before each and every single game, an official has a teleconference with members from the two teams playing. They bring up things that they're going to be on the lookout for. Whatever is being highlighted that week for whatever reason. Like before each Ravens/Steelers game they probably talk about personal fouls or late hits, etc. Stuff like that. Before the AFC Championship game, the officials bring up the deflated ball thing from earlier in the year. Like hey Patriots, we're going to be on the watch for this because the Colts reported it as an issue last time.

- Then, D'Qwell Jackson picks off Tom Brady. D'Qwell Jackson's like OMG Brady's amazing, I can't believe I intercepted a pass from him, I'm going to give this to my grandkids. He gives the ball to the equipment manager to keep. The equipment manager's like WTF this ball is deflated too! He reports it to the league officials (game day operations guy or something), which prompts the balls being tested at half-time.

The rest is history.

Matt Hasselback is the Colts backup QB, so Tim probably has a reliable source.

 

[Run It Up]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

Does it ####### matter at all if its disproved?

We all know how this ends, innocent or guilty. The Pats will continue to be the villains for the next decade.

And when Brady finally calls it quits he will usher in the second coming with his eight ringed hand and then you will truly know suffering. I am become Goatroppolo, destroyer of worlds.

 

[Bucky86]

Are we now back to the "everybody does it so it doesn't really matter anymore?"

 

[12punch]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

if I want to debate nonsense with homeless people I can go downtown

 

[PatsWillWin]

Jeff Blake says every team deflates footballs:

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12244290

"So I don't know what the big deal is. It's not something that's not been done for 20 years."

salty trolls might as well be throwing themselves down a flight of stairs for our entertainment

Hey man - we gotta stage on message. Either they didn't deflate balls or they did and it isn't a big deal.

 

[mbuehner]

- In the regular season game, someone intercepted Brady (I think Mike Adams). Mike Adams was like hey, I intercepted the great Tom Brady, I'd like to keep the ball. He gives it to the equipment manager.

- The equipment manager, his profession being to manage equipment, notices that the ball feels a little deflated. Doesn't think anything of it.

- Mike Adams picks off Brady again, and again, says hey, I'd like to keep this ball, and gives it to the equipment manager.

- The manager notices that this ball is deflated too, meaning that ball #1 was not an isolated instance.

Anyone know what the weather was like in the Lucas Oil Dome that day? Like, -20C?

Was the balls 4.5 psi under?

 

[GoBirds]

Are we now back to the "everybody does it so it doesn't really matter anymore?"

It depends on what story comes out that day.

Just read the Yahoo article on the fumble stats and the only guy challenging it was, you guessed it, a Pats fan. Those numbers speak volumes.

 

[espnespn]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

Does it ####### matter at all if its disproved?

We all know how this ends, innocent or guilty. The Pats will continue to be the villains for he next decade.

And when Brady finally calls it quits he will usher in the second coming with his eight ringed hand. I am become Goatroppolo, destroyer of worlds.

Even if the NFL says the Patriots are innocent, the Salty Haters will say this is proof of a "culture of cheating" because Goodell swept it under the rug for Kraft.

The NFL said the Patriots formations were all legal vs. Baltimore, but Salty Haters still say the Patriots used illegal formations.

The NFL said the Tuck Rule was ruled correctly, but Salty Haters still cite it as another "Patriots scandal".

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-england-patriots-scandals-from-spies-to-snowplows/

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

lets be honest...its the equivalent to that of a white lie ...who gives a #### in the end

 

[Tool]

Are we now back to the "everybody does it so it doesn't really matter anymore?"

It depends on what story comes out that day.

Just read the Yahoo article on the fumble stats and the only guy challenging it was, you guessed it, a Pats fan. Those numbers speak volumes.

Only guy challenging it? i don't think so.

 

[espnespn]

Are we now back to the "everybody does it so it doesn't really matter anymore?"

It depends on what story comes out that day.

Just read the Yahoo article on the fumble stats and the only guy challenging it was, you guessed it, a Pats fan. Those numbers speak volumes.

Maybe you should check out Nate Silver's website debunking the fumble stats story as cherry-picked garbage.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/your-guide-to-deflate-gateballghazi-related-statistical-analyses/

 

[12punch]

the day the pats stop producing 100 page threads will be a sad day

 

[The Kerminator]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

 

[mbuehner]

Are we now back to the "everybody does it so it doesn't really matter anymore?"

It depends on what story comes out that day. Just read the Yahoo article on the fumble stats and the only guy challenging it was, you guessed it, a Pats fan. Those numbers speak volumes.

Its been debuknked, revised, debunked again, revised again, and again... wait for it- debunked again.

But the Pats are really, really good at football, and hence they must be cheating.

 

[Run It Up]

Pretty great article by a guy from Hawk Ridge Systems.

Once again, hand calculations are of no use here, but we can have Flow Simulation find us the answer. This time I had to make some larger assumptions: namely, that the balls would be “conditioned,” i.e. rubbed for something like 5 minutes, or until the outside surface of the ball was roughly the temperature of someone’s hands. A bit of research informed me that in a 73˚ F room, the average temperature of a person’s hands is 86˚ F (not quite your internal body temperature of 98.6 ˚). To simulate the friction of the conditioning, I decided to apply a heat generation rate of 10 Watts to the outside of the ball (by comparison, the average human body at rest generates about 70 W of heat).

While it pains me to say so, after plotting the results I was forced to conclude that in this instance, Bill Nye was not, in fact, the Science Guy.

If the outside of the football were warmed in such a manner, the air temperature inside wouldn’t lag far behind, reaching a maximum of about 85 degrees after about 4 ½ minutes. The corresponding increase in pressure turns out to be real, the balls would measure just under 13.1 psi at this point.

The more important part of this being he accounted for a person hand warming the balls, and still shot under that - when in reality they likely used a buffing technique of some kind using a handheld buffer or a mounted one. As seen in the ball prep video

 

[Old Smiley]

Well, let's face it. Bill danced around that pre-game prep procedure stuff pretty widely. I think it might come down to whether or not you believe that the so called 'rubbing' process was intended to give the balls a final scruffing up, or to raise the psi to dodge the pre-game check.

There was also this, the final question at the presser:

Reporter: Do you rub the football vigorously?

Belichick: "We rub it to get it to the proper texture. Yes. I don't know what is vigorous, what isn't. We're not polishing fine china here. We're trying to get a football to the proper texture that a quarterback wants it. Does that stimulate something inside the football to raise the PSI? It does."

 

[Tool]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) — The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFL’s allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

 

[JIslander]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

Good point. This tactic would preclude a cheat AND liar label.

 

[12punch]

here's a crazy unrealistic idea --- tell us what you think

pats have a bunch of nicely broken in footballs sitting around

they throw a bunch in a bag and give them to the refs a couple hours before the game

ref maybe grabs each ball, turns it over and tosses it back in

bag given to nfl employed ball transportation engineer who stops in at the toilet to take a piss on the way to the field

bag handed to refs who put a ball in play

after a bit the balls chill down and lose a psi like every cooler game in the history of football

and nobody notices because NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL GAF ABOUT A ####### PSI

now, I guess at halftime of this particular game they're measured with an electron microscope because some axe grinding **** can't beat the pats on the field, so he's determined to beat them off the field

 

[BassNBrew]

Pretty great article by a guy from Hawk Ridge Systems.

Once again, hand calculations are of no use here, but we can have Flow Simulation find us the answer. This time I had to make some larger assumptions: namely, that the balls would be “conditioned,” i.e. rubbed for something like 5 minutes, or until the outside surface of the ball was roughly the temperature of someone’s hands. A bit of research informed me that in a 73˚ F room, the average temperature of a person’s hands is 86˚ F (not quite your internal body temperature of 98.6 ˚). To simulate the friction of the conditioning, I decided to apply a heat generation rate of 10 Watts to the outside of the ball (by comparison, the average human body at rest generates about 70 W of heat).

While it pains me to say so, after plotting the results I was forced to conclude that in this instance, Bill Nye was not, in fact, the Science Guy.

If the outside of the football were warmed in such a manner, the air temperature inside wouldn’t lag far behind, reaching a maximum of about 85 degrees after about 4 ½ minutes. The corresponding increase in pressure turns out to be real, the balls would measure just under 13.1 psi at this point.

The more important part of this being he accounted for a person hand warming the balls, and still shot under that - when in reality they likely used a buffing technique of some kind using a handheld buffer or a mounted one. As seen in the ball prep video

Wouldn't the temp just come back down in a couple of minutes?

 

[Anarchy99]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) — The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFL’s allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

I find it odd that as far as I can tell, no other media outlets have picked this up. You would think it would be a big puzzle piece to get out in circulation if it could be confirmed to be accurate.

 

[JIslander]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) — The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFL’s allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) — The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFL’s allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

or one day the cops decide to do there jobs after someone called and complained that people were speeding

 

[JIslander]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) — The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFL’s allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hub’s Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

or one day the cops decide to do there jobs after someone called and complained that people were speeding

I don't have a problem with that. Do you?

 

[GoBirds]

I hope it comes out he let a pound of air out after they win the superbowl just to send the salty haters into an apoplectic fury

To prove that the whole tenure of BB has been clouded with cheating?

Wouldn't you rather it be disproven and win?

Does it ####### matter at all if its disproved?We all know how this ends, innocent or guilty. The Pats will continue to be the villains for he next decade.

And when Brady finally calls it quits he will usher in the second coming with his eight ringed hand. I am become Goatroppolo, destroyer of worlds.

Even if the NFL says the Patriots are innocent, the Salty Haters will say this is proof of a "culture of cheating" because Goodell swept it under the rug for Kraft.

The NFL said the Patriots formations were all legal vs. Baltimore, but Salty Haters still say the Patriots used illegal formations.

The NFL said the Tuck Rule was ruled correctly, but Salty Haters still cite it as another "Patriots scandal".

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-england-patriots-scandals-from-spies-to-snowplows/

Does anyone really call tuck rule a scandal, that would be stupid.

 

[mbuehner]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

Naw, per the rules the referee is the final arbiter of what constitutes a legal ball. If he oked it, it IS 12.5psi as far as the league is concerned.

 

[12punch]

I find it odd that as far as I can tell, no other media outlets have picked this up. You would think it would be a big puzzle piece to get out in circulation if it could be confirmed to be accurate.

I wouldn't have any better idea of what goes on pregame than anybody on here, but I would be amazed if they actually got through every ball and check psi with a gauge prior to every game.

even if that reported complaint is legit, I can easily see them just giving the balls a quick squeeze, and there's already been a dozen people in the thread claiming no noticeable difference, including bill nye 'the science guy'.

indy probably stuck a gauge in that one ball they stole, and then cried to the refs about it thinking it would make some kind of difference.

 

[mbuehner]

I find it odd that as far as I can tell, no other media outlets have picked this up. You would think it would be a big puzzle piece to get out in circulation if it could be confirmed to be accurate.

I wouldn't have any better idea of what goes on pregame than anybody on here, but I would be amazed if they actually got through every ball and check psi with a gauge prior to every game.

even if that reported complaint is legit, I can easily see them just giving the balls a quick squeeze, and there's already been a dozen people in the thread claiming no noticeable difference, including bill nye 'the science guy'.

indy probably stuck a gauge in that one ball they stole, and then cried to the refs about it thinking it would make some kind of difference.

Bingo.

 

[JIslander]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

Naw, per the rules the referee is the final arbiter of what constitutes a legal ball. If he oked it, it IS 12.5psi as far as the league is concerned.

If this is true at all, my take is "not properly inspect" means they didn't look at them. So, not there on that section of I-95 to know you were speeding.

 

[Run It Up]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

Naw, per the rules the referee is the final arbiter of what constitutes a legal ball. If he oked it, it IS 12.5psi as far as the league is concerned.

If this is true at all, my take is "not properly inspect" means they didn't look at them. So, not there on that section of I-95 to know you were speeding.

The metaphor would be that they didn't have a radar and saw you and thought you were going the appropriate speed, then another driver saw you called the cops and they came to your house to investigate whether you were murdering someone.

 

[the moops]

"The weight difference in 2PSI is less than that of a dollar bill, and the difference in compression is 1 milimeter."

 

[the moops]

Sport Science Deflategate HD: http://youtu.be/6F4ce1H2QJs

 

[JIslander]

On Tuesday, Brady sat down with Bob Costas of NBC for an interview that will air prior to the Super Bowl. On Wednesday, Costas was a guest on "The Dan Patrick Show" and spoke briefly about the conversation (emphasis ours).

"I asked [brady] at one point, 'so you're telling me, when this investigation is complete, which the [NFL] is now saying will not be until after the Super Bowl, you will be I don't think I used the word exonerated but, be they fan or foe, no one will be able to pin anything on Tom Brady,'" Costas told Dan Patrick. "and he said something to the affect of 'well, let's just wait and see how it comes out.' Which I thought was an intriguing answer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-brady-had-interesting-response-215828546.html

I have to admit, Brady makes me a little nervous. I don't like that answer at all.

I'd agree with this. Brady's answers have been kind of odd. Last Thursday he was asked "Are you a cheater?" Now, what's the obvious answer? NO! Isn't it? Instead he answers "I don't believe so."

I admit i first thought that answer seemed a tad odd. But it depends on the person. Brady's a pretty mellow guy in interviews. You could argue that if he did cheat the response would be a vehement No!

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Its like that section of I-95 you drive by a lot in SC that never has patrols. Then one day you get caught going 90 in a 70. oops.

Naw, per the rules the referee is the final arbiter of what constitutes a legal ball. If he oked it, it IS 12.5psi as far as the league is concerned.

If this is true at all, my take is "not properly inspect" means they didn't look at them. So, not there on that section of I-95 to know you were speeding.

The metaphor would be that they didn't have a radar and saw you and thought you were going the appropriate speed, then another driver saw you called the cops and they came to your house to investigate whether you were speeding.

I'd buy that ...up to the house investigation -- perhaps they were tipped and followed and found you speeding on side roads but were out of their jurisdiction.