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Patriots Rant

Posted by Chase Stuart on Monday, January 15, 2007

Warning: You should check this post first.

Now that that’s out of the way, I’m going to go on a Patriots rant. This might become a two day rant. I’ll probably be jumping around from topic to topic incoherently. Artistic writing this will not be. Maybe Wednesday I’ll try to explain why the Colts are going to beat the Patriots on Sunday (I hope). But for now, this is just a rant. This is what happens after watching another Patriots playoff win. I normally try and ground my posts in well thought out objective analysis (whether I succeed is another matter), but I’ll mince no words here. I hate the Patriots. A lot. For a million reasons. It’s incredibly frustrating watching them win in the playoffs, and this is my current form of therapy.

Let’s get into it. I’m going to give a Green spin on all of this because I feel like it. If you’re partial to the Patriots, you might as well stop reading here. I imagine this is what Yankees haters felt like in the late 90s, only those Yankees were actually really good teams.

January 1997: You may remember this one. The Patriots were headed to the Super Bowl (yes, the Patriots won games before Tom Brady arrived, shocking I know), but Bill Parcells was heavily rumored to be the next Jets head coach. Patriots fans rightly blame Parcells for not having putting 100% of his mind into the Super Bowl, because owner Robert Kraft never makes a mistake.

February 1997: The Jets have the first pick in the draft, and Kraft won’t give up Parcells for anything less than that. So the Jets hired Parcells to be the team consultant (a position above head coach, and therefore Parcells could leave New England for that role without compensation) and hired Parcells’ defensive coordinator in New England to be the Jets new head coach. Because Bill Belichick was getting upgraded from assistant to coach, viola, the Jets got their men and the only casualty was the spirit, and not the letter, of the league rule. The Jets opened acknowledged that Parcells would be the head coach the following season. I can’t defend this action on many moral grounds here, so let’s just move on.

Parcells then signed a six year deal as Consultant/Chief of Football Operations, including four of the years in the contract with him designated as head coach. Parcells said that “I will coach a minimum of four years and hopefully more. I wanted to make sure they knew I was here for the long haul.” He coached three years and then retired, never to be heard from again.

The Patriots and Jets would finally broker a deal to let Parcells coach the Jets in 1997. New England received the Jets 3rd (Sedrick Shaw) and 4th (Damon Denson) round picks in 1997, a 2nd in 1998 (Rod Rutledge) and a 1st in 1999 (Andy Katzenmoyer). Suffice it to say, I don’t think those picks worked out well for New England. They also traded a first and a third in 1998 for Curtis Martin, which became Robert Edwards and Chris Floyd.

The Patriots ended up signing former Jets HC Pete Carroll to be their new HC. Why didn’t Kraft go after Belichick?

I had plans to talk to Bill Belichick about coaching. But Parcells’s departure had created such a whirlwind, a storm, and I couldn’t talk to his people. We were just left in such turmoil and uncertainty, and I knew that Parcells would be taking the staff with him. We thought it was better to start fresh.

Anyway, we’ll move on past this, but one note must be addressed. Remember that number one pick in 1997? Well, it was supposed to be Peyton Manning. But he pulled a reverse Eli Manning, and chose to not go to New York, and instead return to Tennessee for his senior year. The Jets ended up trading the pick to the Rams, who drafted Orlando Pace. This led me to hating Manning more than anyone in the world right up until…well, just keep reading.

So why do I keep harping on all this stuff from 1997? Because in the contracts Belichick and Parcells signed, it called for Belichick to take over as head coach when Parcells stepped down. But after the 1999 season ended, the Patriots wanted Belichick to be their new HC. Parcells had one year left on his contract, but felt very loyal to the late Leon Hess, the Jets owner that had died several months before. Parcells did not want to let Belichick go now, coach the Jets for one more year and retire, and then leave the Jets without either Bill. So on January 3rd, 2000, Bill Parcells stepped down as head coach, and Belichick took over as Jets head coach.

So what did the classy (I’m with you Mr. Tomlinson) Belichick do? Said nothing, as the Jets set up a press conference to announce him to be their new head coach. And as he stepped to the podium…well I’ll let the newspaper take it from here.

He returned to his office and scribbled out a resignation that he delivered to [Jets President Steve] Gutman five minutes before the news conference.

“Due to the various uncertainties surrounding my position as it relates to the team’s new ownership,” it started, “I have decided to resign as the HC of the N.Y. Jets.”

Defensive line coach Romeo Crennell, what do you have to say?

“Bill walked past and said, ‘I’m going to resign,’ ” Crennel said. “That was a shock.”

Ok, but Bill, a handwritten resignation note? Are you serious? How can that be?

“I don’t know how to use a computer.”

Yes folks, the most intelligent person of all time can’t turn on a computer.

But fine, who cares what these suits have to say anyway. What did Belichick say to the team?

“I thought it was weird that after Coach Parcells retired, that Coach Belichick didn’t at least address the team,” [Offensive Tackle Jason] Fabini said. “After Parcells said what he had to say and left the room, there was a lull of 10 or 15 seconds. We’re waiting for Coach Belichick to come in and address us, and tell us something, which was sort of weird, you know. After a while, we just got up and left.”

The next day, Fabini was in the trainer’s room watching television and what he thought was going to be Belichick’s first public comment as the new coach. Instead, Belichick resigned. “I called Jumbo,” said Fabini, speaking of teammate Jumbo Elliott. “He didn’t know what was going on. He thought I was lying to him. I said, ‘John, have you turned on the TV at all?’ ”

Ok, that’s just the players. They don’t sign your contract, right Bill! What about the owner, the late Leon Hess?

Shortly after the AFC title-game loss (where Belichick’s defense allowed 23 points in the second half), Belichick received a $ 1-million bonus from Hess to remain with the team, dismissing overtures from the Kansas City Chiefs and Chicago Bears, among others.

Oh. So a dying man’s wish for you to remain the team + 10,000 Ben Franklins isn’t worth much. Perfectly understandable. What about the thoughts of your mentor, Bill Parcells?

Belichick’s excuse about things changing with the death of Mr. Leon Hess was weak. Mr. Hess had been dead for seven months. The potential buyers of the Jets were all told by Goldman, Sachs that Belichick, by contract, would automatically be the next coach as soon as I stepped down. I don’t know how you can take a million dollars bonus to stay another year to become the head coach and then walk out on the job . . . He tried to tell me after 18 years of being with me, he felt I owed him that opportunity to coach New England if that is what he wanted to do. I wasn’t going to do that.”

So the Jets have a new owner for the first time since 1963, their head coach retired, their replacement head coached bolted town, and their star wide receiver was traded to the Tampa Bay Bucs. Things looked terrible for the Jets, but a draft with Chad Pennington, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Laveranues Coles would help keep the Jets afloat. The Jets had a winning record in 2000, and swept the Patriots and their new HC (nice defense Bill, allowing 2 fourth quarter TDs in a 20-19 loss, and allowing 34 points in the second meeting), and the Pats were 5-11. All was right in the world.

Then the new Jets HC became the old Jets HC, as Al Groh resigned after just one year. But the Jets hired Herm Edwards, who seemed pretty good, and was bringing in some smart assistants. Everything will be fine, I’m sure. In 2001, the Jets started off 1-0, the Pats started off 0-1, and the Jets were winning 10-3 in the Patriots home opener in week 2. The Jets were on track to win the division, and the Pats were on track to get the first pick in the draft. All is good. Let’s just wrap up that final quarter…

Bledsoe was knocked out of the game by Jets linebacker Mo Lewis in the fourth quarter of the Jets’ 10-3 victory. Bledsoe, who has missed just 6 of 130 games in nine years in the N.F.L., was hurt on third-and-10 from his 19 with about five minutes left. He ran around right end for an 8-yard gain before being hit hard by Lewis in front of the Patriots’ bench.

Bledsoe stayed on the ground for about two minutes. He returned for the next possession, but Tom Brady played the final series, with the Patriots needing to score a touchdown to tie or go ahead. Brady was 5 for 10 for 46 yards and led New England to the Jets’ 29 before he threw four incompletions to end the game. Brady, who leapfrogged over the more experienced Damon Huard in training camp to be the No. 2 quarterback, will start Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts.

Hmm. Some guy named Brady against the Colts? That doesn’t sound very good, does it? What’s your prediction ?

COLTS (2-0) at PATRIOTS (0-2) Sunday, 1 p.m. Even with QB Drew Bledsoe, the Patsies would have had little chance here. With him out at least two weeks, their slogan becomes “Going Belly Up With Belichick.” This one looks too easy. The Colts’ offense has shredded the Jets and Bills, allowing a second-rate (at best) defense to slide by. The soft ‘D’ will catch up with Indy in January, but not this week. Bledsoe’s sub, Tom Brady, wasn’t even that good at Michigan, and his line and running game are poor. Although the Colts lost in Foxboro last year, a repeat would be stunning. Peyton Manning names the score. The pick: Colts.

Amazingly enough, Brady’s whole career is a microcosm of his first game. The underdog Patriots beat the Colts, 44-13. And Brady gets the credit…while throwing 13/23, 168 yards and no scores.

I’ve documented why I hate Bill Belichick. I hate Tom Brady just as much, but for an entirely different reason. The best sports comparison is probably how Red Sox fans feel about Derek Jeter. Brady is put up on a pedastal like he’s the greatest QB in the history of the world, and that he can do no wrong. This is what really, really bugs me. His supporters like to say Tom Terrific can never lose a big game, but when the Jets knocked the Pats out of the playoffs in December 2002, Patriots fans said it wasn’t a playoff game so Brady is still immortal. Yes, once Brady knows it’s a playoff game, he becomes superman and can’t lose! Until the Broncos game last year. That was a bummer.

But still, 12-1 all time in the playoffs! This guy is incredible! And then he goes out and throws three INTs against the Chargers, and absolutely should have thrown at least five. The only people with worse hands in the stadium than the Chargers DBs were the Chargers WRs. How in the world does Brady get the credit for that win? I started seeing the signs already, people saying how Brady led them to that victory. The Chargers absolutely gave that game away, and yet Brady supporters will point to that 13-1 record as if Brady should be sainted.

It’s the combination of Belichick/Brady/playoff smugness that Pats fans have that is incredibly frustrating. I told one of my Patriots fans friends how the Pats were very lucky to win that game and were outplayed. He agreed, but said the Pats kept their composure but the Chargers didn’t, and in a close game the better coached team won. Sure, the Pats kept their composure…like when the ref didn’t notice one of the Pats DBs (I think Ellis Hobbs) throw a punch after a play yesterday. These mythical reasons why the Pats win is infuriating. And to make matters worse, hearing any talking head discuss the Pats is sickening. Did you hear Jim Nantz in the booth? I couldn’t tell if he had been replaced by Tom Brady’s father at one point. And of course he quickly brushed off the Hobbs punch and went on to something else. We can’t shatter the image of the Pats being holier than thou.

I hear Pats fans complain all week about Shawne “steroid” Merriman. Last time I checked, the Patriots punter was a known steroid user. But Pats fans like to sweep that under the rug and say “Bill Belichick would never put up with a showboat cheat like Merriman.”

Anyway, let’s get back to Brady.

In the 2001 regular season, Brady did pretty well, and very well for a second year player. Cool. He wasn’t one of the top 10 QBs in the league, but no one thought he was. Then the playoffs came. And the tuck rule came.

I remember exactly where I was when I saw that play unfold. Up until that point, the Jets, Dolphins and Pats had long been battling for AFC East supremacy. All three teams had made the playoffs in recent years, and all three were usually in the region between good and great. I remember watching Charles Woodson celebrate the 4th down incompletion, wave his towel on the sidelines…and then see the call get overturned. And I remember getting a feeling that the Pats were going to win the SB because of this. I quickly brushed it off and said no way, this team just isn’t that good. Then the clutchest playoff kicker to ever miss two chip shot FGs in a Super Bowl comes in and wins the game for the Pats. Ugh.

Somehow, Brady became the story line. He averaged 6.00 yards per attempt, and had 0 TDs and 1 INT in the game. That’s not a good game. Yes, I know it was snowing, but let’s not make a game with zero TDs and one interception (and another should be fumble) into a good game.

But whatever, there’s a little undeserved Brady hype. No big deal. The Steelers should romp the Pats, right? Well let’s just go to the game recap…

On fourth-and-6 from his own 13, Pittsburgh’s Josh Miller punted the ball to the Patriots’ 23 — 64 yards after it skittered behind Brown. But Pittsburgh’s Troy Edwards was called for illegal procedure for stepping out of bounds and coming back in. So the Steelers had to rekick.

Cowher said the officials lined up the ball on the wrong hashmark when they respotted it after the penalty. He said that was one reason Brown punted the ball down the middle. “In my mind that’s inexcusable,” Cowher said. Brown took the ball back down the middle in the other direction for a 55-yard touchdown return that made it 7-0 with 3:42 left in the first period.

OK, so the Patriots get a big break, what’s new. Anything else crazy happen?

Early in the second half, the Steelers moved from their own 32 to the New England 16, where they lined up for a field goal. But Brandon Mitchell blocked it, Troy Brown picked up the ball at the 40 and ran 11 yards before lateraling to Antwan Harris, who took it 49 yards for the score that made it 21-3.

Ok, so two kick returns for TDs go a long way. How’d Brady do? He was 12/18 for 115 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT. Brady got hurt in the first half, and Drew Bledsoe came in and led the Pats to their only offensive TD and a FG, which means Brady wasn’t responsible for any of the 24 points scored by the Pats that day.

Up comes the Super Bowl….that’s where Brady becomes Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas, but better, right? Brady averaged 5.37 yards per attempt that day, in a largely nondescript performance. The Pats had an INT returned for a TD by Ty Law, and an INT returned for 30 yards that set up a FG. In the 4th quarter, with the Rams coming back from their three turnover day, Brady’s Pats went 3 and out twice in the final ten minutes. Finally, New England got the ball back where Brady led “THE DRIVE”. Right?

Starting on the Patriots’ own 17-yard line with 1:21 remaining, Brady picked up a first down with an innocent 8-yard dump to J.R. Redmond for a first down. He hooked up with Redmond again two plays later for an 11-yard reception and another first down at the New England 41. [in between there was a five yard dump to Redmond].

Brady threw incomplete, then connected with Troy Brown over the middle, and Brown managed to turn up field and get out of bounds at the St. Louis 36 for a 23-yard gain. Now, with only 21 seconds left, Brady threw a short pass in the right flat to tight end Jermaine Wiggins, who fought his way to the Rams’ 30-yard line. Brady calmly spiked the ball to stop the clock with seven seconds to play.

Where is the great play here? Was it “calmly” spiking the ball? Brady “led” a drive by dumping the ball off while the Rams played a prevent defense, and then his kicker hit a 48 yarder to win it. Pats fans watch that drive and noticed how poised Brady was, but there was of course nothing special about it.

Brady’s final post-season numbers: 60/97, 572 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT and he led his team to 13 points in four quarters against the Raiders, 0 points against the Steelers, and 10 points against the Rams. Never did a QB get praised more for doing less.

Then the Patriots hype started spinning out of control. The Patriots running out of the tunnel at midfield is “the coolest thing ever” for some reason, in the minds of Patriots fans. We even had to hear talk of how “wonderful” it was that a team named the Patriots won the Super Bowl following the 9/11 attacks. Patriots fans are incredibly defensive about this team and this title, and don’t recognize how lucky New England was to win that Bowl.

As a follow up, the Pats missed the playoffs in 2002. The Jets made it, in large part because they beat the Patriots in Foxboro on national TV in week 16, which I thought was impossible. But we quickly learned that when the Patriots lose a game, it’s never a big game.

Anyway, that’s enough of a rant for now. More on Brady, Belichick and the rest of the Patriots talk tomorrow, if I’m still in a rantin’ kind of mood.

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Patriots Rant: The Second Half

Posted by Chase Stuart on Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Yesterday, I went on a big anti-Patriots rant. Today I’ll conclude it, by looking at the Pats from 2003-2006. Once again, here’s the official PFR Warning from Doug:

I’ve got a busy week ahead, so Chase will be taking over for some/most of the upcoming week.

Chase hates the Patriots.

Chase really, really hates the Patriots.

He has been ordered to use the “rant” categorization instead of trying to pretend like he’s doing honest analysis. P-f-r.com management — which also hates the Patriots, but only the normal amount — will not be held responsible for anything he might say.

While Doug and I enjoy providing logical and dispassionate analysis nearly every day, I think it’s probably good to show that at heart we’re both sports fans, and therefore capable of intense and maybe even irrational hate. Anyway, let’s start off at the beginning of the 2003 season…

The Pats can’t reach an agreement with Lawyer Milloy, and cut him right before the first game. A Boston Globe columnist writes that “Bill Belichick is pond scum again. Arrogant, megalomaniacal, duplicitous pond scum.” The Pats then lose their opening game to the Bills 31-0, and Tom Jackson remarks that Bill Belichick has lost his team. So far, so good. Unfortunately, the Patriots would then win 23 of their next 24 games, and 35 of 38 games, and hoist two Lombardi trophies in the process.

So why did the Pats do that? Well because Tom Brady is the best QB ever! At least that’s the response you get from Patriots fans, who routinely play up this “we’re a great team, we’re morally superior to everyone else” and just flat out don’t recognize the boatloads of talent on the roster. That 2004 team in particular was stacked. And without a doubt, Belichick did an incredible job coaching the past these last few years.

But let’s start with Brady, who I now hate much much more than Peyton Manning. Brady supporters always start their arguments with the number three (which hopefully stays that way forever), but then soon move to “1″. As in Tom Brady led the league in TDs in 2002, so he could compile big time stats if he wanted to. While it’s true that Brady led the league in TDs that year, it’s also true that his 28 TDs were the second fewest to lead the league since the 1982 strike-shortened season. But every Brady conversation inevitably becomes a Brady v. Manning debate, and for the sake of my own sanity, I’ve been forced to become a big time Peyton Manning backer.

Let’s go to the numbers. Obviously Manning just obliterates Brady in the totals (16,000 more yards, 128 more TDs), so let’s look at the averages.

For his career, Brady has an 88.4 QB Rating, has averaged 6.37 adjusted yards per attempt, completed 61.9% of his passes, averaged 7.0 yards per attempt, and owns a 1.88 TD/INT ratio. Manning has a 94.4 QB Rating, has averaged 6.97 adjusted yards per attempt, completed 64.0 % of his passes, averaged 7.7 yards per attempt, and owns a 1.98 TD/INT ratio. That’s not very close.

But some Brady supporters admit he wasn’t that good in his first year, and think we should just compare the two when they started becoming stars. Over the last five years — i.e., starting when Brady led the NFL in TDs — how do Brady and Manning compare to their contemporaries?

Fourteen QBs have attempted 2,000 passes since 2002. Manning laps the field, averaging 7.58 AY/A, while the number two QB (Trent Green) averaged 7.07 AY/A. Marc Bulger’s third, Matt Hasselbeck’s fourth, and Tom Brady’s fifth. Drew Brees and Steve McNair aren’t far behind, either. Donovan McNabb (1,972 attempts) is right behind Trent Green, and Daunte Culpepper (1,895 attempts) is ahead of Brady as well. If you lower the limit even more, Ben Roethlisberger (1,032 attempts), Carson Palmer (1,461) and even Rich Gannon (907) pass Brady.

In other words, if we never watched a game of post-season play, we’d say that Peyton Manning is well ahead of everyone else, Trent Green and Dononvan McNabb are on the next level of passers (and of course McNabb’s a better QB than a passer), and there’s a big group with Bulger, Hasselbeck, Brady, Brees, McNair, Culpepper, Palmer, Gannon and Roethlisberger for the best QBs of this era.

But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.

Yet Patriots fans think he will end his career as The Best QB of All Time. Which I find pretty interesting, considering you’d be hard pressed to point to a single great season Brady has had. Maybe you remember this summer, when I looked at the best QBs of all time in both a single season and for a career. Here are Brady’s ranks:

Year Rank

2005 85th best of all time

2004 182nd best of all time

2003 231st best of all time

2001 480th best of all time

Not a very inspiring list, is it? You may notice that I left out Brady’s 2002 season. That’s because he averaged 5.68 adjusted yards per pass that year, which was below the league average. So in his one “record-breaking” season, Brady finished below the league average for QBs in the single most important statistic. That might have something to do with New England missing the playoffs that year.

So can Brady really be considered among the all-time greats when he his best years weren’t even very good? Six Steve Young seasons rank above Brady’s best year, as do five Peyton Manning years, four Roger Staubach years, three Joe Montana years (along with many others), and even a Ken O’Brien, Vinny Testaverde and Chad Pennington year!

Brady’s got just one season among the top 180 of all time. Steve Young, Joe Montana, Dan Fouts and Roger Staubach all have seven in the top 180. Marino has six, and Ken Anderson, Fran Tarkenton, Trent Green and Peyton Manning all have five (I’d imagine Manning’s 2006 season would also get there, but I haven’t run the numbers for this year just yet). Really, Brady has little to go on other than his post-season success. For his career (pre-2006), Brady ranks as the 27th best regular season QB of all-time, mostly because he hasn’t hurt himself with any bad years yet. But I think you’d be hard pressed to look at his numbers alone and call him anything more than a very good QB. (And his playoff numbers are worse than his regular season numbers).

Anyway, that felt much better. Let’s go back in the timeline now. The Pats are obliterating everyone they face in 2003, and lead the league in points allowed that year. In particular, New England’s incredible against the pass, leading the league in yards per attempt allowed, TDs allowed, and interceptions. Even this year’s Ravens couldn’t do that. So if you want to start giving credit for a 14-2 season, that’s the first place you should look.

Now I was out of the country in January 2004, so I couldn’t see the 2003 playoffs. New England beat Tennessee 17-14, after Brady led New England on a 13 yard drive to kick the eventual game winning field goal. That’s not a 13 play drive, but a 13 yard drive. Patriots supporters would say “Brady did enough to win”, but they needed a 46 yard kick from Vinatieri to win that game, hardly a gimme. Especially since The Most Clutch Playoff Kicker to Ever Miss Two Chip Shots in the Super Bowl had missed from 44 yards earlier. As it was, the kick from 46 just made it over the cross-bar. (Yes, I’m well aware this is Vinatieri’s patented move these days, and I sure hope he can do it again this weekend.)

From what I’ve read, Drew Bennett dropped a 4th down catch in the game’s final minute that could have given Tennessee a great chance to tie the game. Maybe Brady’s aura made his hands go numb. Brady threw for 201 yards on 41 passes, so this certainly was not his finest day. But the defense won it for the Pats, as a Rodney Harrison INT set up their critical TD.

We move to the AFC Championship game, where the Colts fell the Pats, 24-14. This it the Ty Law game, where Law intercepted three Manning passes. The Pats D was the story of the day, with 4 sacks and 4 INTs and a fumble recovery. The Colts defense wasn’t very good that year, but it did allow only one TD to the Pats. Brady played an alright game, but threw an INT at the Colts goal-line, which is inexcusable for any QB not named Brady. The Pats got a safety and five FGs, in part because Brady averaged just 5.46 AY/A. It’s no secret who the hero of this game was. And because I didn’t see the game, I won’t comment on the Patriots’ alleged mugging of the Colts receivers.

So Tom Brady’s 5-0, after being incredibly lucky in the first three playoff games, and having an incredible defense in the last two. Now comes the Super Bowl, where even I’ll admit Brady played an excellent game. He threw for 354 yards and 3 TDs, although to be fair that come on a whopping 48 attempts and he did throw an INT. It wasn’t one of the top ten Super Bowl stat lines of all time by a QB, and it wasn’t even the best by a QB that day. Jake Delhomme ate up The Genius’ D by throwing for 323 yards on 15 fewer passes, and had 3 TDs and zero INTs.

Adam Vinatieri missed two FGs that day, from 31 and 36 yards out. If the Panthers get a 2 point conversion, that game probably goes to overtime. Certainly Brady deserves credit for the W, but I’m not going to gush over him about it.

In 2004, the Pats were good. Scary good. This is an all-time great team, for sure. And just so we don’t forget, Brady had an absolutely miserable game on Monday Night Football against the Fins (maybe the national TV audience pressure got to him), including one of the worst INTs I’ve ever seen. But because it’s Brady, we shrug that off. Unfortunately, that game’s the only thing I’ve got on the Pats all year, outside of getting creamed by the Steelers in mid-season.

In the playoffs, the defense was the story again, holding the Colts to just three points. That might have been the best game plan I’ve ever seen by a coach, so big props to BB for that one. That Colts defense was absolutely terrible, though, and Brady only passed for 144 yards and 1 TD on 27 passes. The Colts were mauled by Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk (34 carries, 200 yards) but still didn’t put many points on the board.

Brady played well in the AFC Championship Game against the Steelers, but the story was again the defense. The Pats had a defensive score and forced four turnovers, and completely overwhelmed Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers. Tom Terrific threw for 207 yards and two scores.

In the Super Bowl, Brady was again very good, throwing for 236 yards and two TDs. The defense forced four turnovers though, and completely shut down the Eagles running game (Brian Westbrook had 15 carries for 44 yards). A great win by the team, but the defense was again the silent hero.

After this year, the Pats suffered a lot of losses, and 2005 wasn’t a great season by New England standards. Having to hear all the “Well now it’s the playoffs” talk by Pats fans was pretty sickening, but fortunately there’s a happy ending. The Pats blew out the Jaguars, who like they do seemingly every other week, decided not to show up. The Pats got an INT returned for a TD and allowed only 3 points, and the Patriots offense amazingly recovered all four of their fumbles.

And then in Denver last year, the Brady/Belichick magical joyride came to an end. Brady was picked off at the goal line again, but this time Champ Bailey ran it back for a TD. Brady threw two picks, and his team scored just thirteen points. Six net points in a road playoff game certainly isn’t very awe inspiring.

This is getting long-winded, even for me. I’m gonna cut things short here and just add a few quick points.

The game Sunday was awful to watch, as the Chargers just gave the Pats the game. As a wise man in red once said, they let them off the hook. Tom Brady’s luck never ceases to amaze me. On third down he gets hit, sacked and fumbles, and if it’s any other QB it’s returned for a TD. Instead his lineman recovers, the Chargers got an Unnecessary Roughness penalty, and New England has a first down. Brady throws an INT, it’s returned and fumbled. These things just don’t normally happen. Sure handed Eric Parker drops a ton of balls, and can’t hold on to a punt. If Vincent Jackson learns how to drag his toe, the Pats lose. If Marty doesn’t waste a timeout on the challenge, the Pats probably lose. If anyone on the Chargers can catch a ball, the Pats lose. Brady should have been picked off five or six times, but every single bounce broke the Pats way. It was like watching the 2001 AFC Championship Game all over again.

So now we get Colts-Pats, with the premiere QB of our time against the man people think is the premiere QB of our time. What do us Pats-haters/Colts-fans have to hang our hats on?

In 2001, the Pats swept the Colts in the regular season, winning two blowouts. In 2002, the teams didn’t play. In 2003, the Colts lost to the Pats at home and then lost in the playoffs on the road. In 2004, the the Colts lost to the Pats on the road, and then lost to the Pats at home.

To recap, the Colts are now 0-6 against the Patriots, including three games in Indianapolis. The Colts stunk against NE in the regular season, and stunk against NE in the playoffs. There’s no playoff curse at work here.

The Pats had a good amount of turnover since then. And guess what? In 2005, the Colts beat the Patriots in Foxboro. In 2006, the Colts beat the Patriots in Foxboro. The Colts have no reason to be afraid of playing New England in the RCA Dome.

If history holds, the team that won in the regular season would win in the playoffs. From 2001-2004, the Pats were always the better team, and that’s why they won. In 2005, the Colts were clearly the better team, and they won. This year, I think the Colts were the better team at the time they played, although I think NE might have been the better team this year.

But there’s little reason to think “Manning against the Patriots in the playoffs” scares the Colts at all, unless the Pats are bringing back Romeo Crennell, Charlie Weis, Eric Mangini, Joe Andruzzi, Deion Branch, David Givens, Ted Johnson, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, David Patten and Adam Vinatieri. The true hero in all those old games was the defense, and hopefully this game being indoors will be the ticket Peyton Manning needs to get to the Super Bowl.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=234

 
This week's assignment for #####y Anti-Patriot Whining #####es 101 is to write 5,000 words on how the Patriots won 3 Super Bowls but aren't that good. In your assignment you should come across as a bitter Jets fand and be sure to emphasize that the bitterness has become so strong and made you so pathetic that you actually took the time to write this in the first place.

It's due on Monday. and remember - your mom thinks you're cool. Class dismissed.

 
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As a die hard Jet fan I cannot help but sympathize with a lot of what is said above. The're just does seem to be a lot of things outside of the "normal" happenings in the game that go the Patriots way, and although the above highlights the most famous issues, it also ignores what always seems to be a plethora of calls and penaltys that although in # might not seem great, are always amazingly ones that come at the most cruical times to extend a drive or ice the game. My mind already wanders to the Jet-Patriot game this year with that absurd roughing the passer call on Brady.

However there is another part of me that watches the Patriot games and especially that defense in the playoffs and is in awe. A lot of the turnovers that happen in those games are a result of an extremely hard hitting, smart, and athletic group of players. And did I mention they hit hard. Every patriot game is extermely physical and close. So although I can't help but feel like the ball bounces there way more often than not, they definately never give up and play really, really hard. If I wasn't a Jet fan, it would be tough not to really appreciate what they do. And I would like to mention, I route for them to lose at all times and in all scenarios.

Against the Colts they just look beat down and tired and couldn't handle the intensity that they had against the Chargers/Jets the prior two weeks. Maybe it's a sign that the defense that I think is(and always has been) the glue of the team is getting old, and may signal the end of their run.

 
Does your hatred keep you warm at night? It is how I feel about the Yankees. :lmao:

I loved all the beginning history with the Jets, BB, and Tuna...never really knew all of that. Shoot you know more about the Patriots than most Patriot fans...come on now, come out of the closet! You love the Patriots and you know it. LOL j/k

Your Jets are on the rise again...take heart in that.

 
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There should be an emoticon of a Super Bowl championship ring that I can click on three times in reponse to this thread. :lmao:

 
:lmao: :lmao:

I remember Pat fans back before the Bledsoe hit that just about had it with Belichik, thought he was out of his mind, a mumbling idiot who had no clue.. then BAM! A lot of em went on to become NFL Experts with intimate knowledge of the rule book.

 
In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that those rants came from before yesterday's game, and immediately after the Chargers game. I'm sympathetic to Pats fans today, because that was a brutal loss to recover from, and I'm sure this is a tough day for them. I wouldn't kick them while their down now.

FWIW, it was a rant pure and simple. I didn't post it in the Shark Pool because it's pure shtick, and has no football relevance. It's fun every once in awhile to step back and not put a lot of serious thought into something, and obviously I was riled up after that Chargers win and thought it would be fun to write that out. I don't mind you for posting it UCLAGIE, but let's at least be clear on what it is. Mostly, a big :goodposting: .

 
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In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that those rants came from before yesterday's game, and immediately after the Chargers game. I'm sympathetic to Pats fans today, because that was a brutal loss to recover from, and I'm sure this is a tough day to them. I wouldn't kick them while their down now.

FWIW, it was a rant pure and simple. I didn't post it in the Shark Pool because it's pure shtick, and has no football relevance. It's fun every once in awhile to step back and not put a lot of serious thought into something, and obviously I was riled up after that Chargers win and thought it would be fun to write that out. I don't mind you for posting it UCLAGIE, but let's at least be clear on what it is. Mostly, a big :goodposting: .
Don't sweat it Chase...on a day like today Patriot fans get to know how it feels being on the other side of an AFC Championship game. Personally I am hoping it is a wake up call to the Patriot organization. It is time to get some speed in our defense if we have to face teams like the Colts and Chargers in the AFC. What does not kill us makes us strong, right?
 
Is there any explanation as to why the Patriots are so lucky?

Most real Patriot fans would readily admit that Brady was not the MVP of the first SB victory. I think it should have been Ty Law.

I was one Patriot season ticket holder that did not side with Kraft in his dispute with Parcells. I hated Kraft for it and did not renew my season tickets the next year. That is how upset I was with losing Parcells. The year after a SB appearance, I gave up my tickets.

Contrary to whatever statistics that Chase or anyone else wants to put up, after SB XXXVI Brady made himself into a GREAT QB. He has been very clutch for the Patriots and I would not have wanted anybody else as our QB. No matter how good your defense is, you do not win 3 SB's with the same QB if he is not Great. It is not easy to win a SB in the NFL.

These are only a couple of comments that I could make about this rant but I'll stop there. I cant say it wasnt entertaining though.

BTW. Tom Brady was pretty good at Michigan. He beat a Shaun Alexander led Alabama team in a Bowl, 38-37. One of many very good games that he had at Michigan.

 
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Fun read, I forgot about the weird Parcells/Jets stuff. Such an odd turn of events.

 
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Chase's passionate discouse aside, the dude is still a Hall of Famer barring a massively unexpected change in circumstances over the next phase of his career.

 
No offense, Chase, but that made my day. Every word of it. A couple parts I especially enjoyed:

- the part where you complained about Belichick leaving the Jets. I love it. Parcells is negotiating his contract with the Jets DURING THE WEEK BEFORE THE SUPERBOWL, and that's no big deal. Parcells uses his intimate knowledge of the Patriots' salary cap to steal future hall of famer Curtis Martin away from the Patriots, and that's no big deal (by the way, you're wrong - he wasn't traded, he was franchised. The Jets made an offer that was specifically structured based on his insider knowledge of the Pats' cap so they could not match it, in a pre-Hutchison abuse of that rule).

- the part where you said that Delhomme had a better day than Brady in that Superbowl while showing that Brady threw for more yards and the same number of TDs. By the way, the Patriots lost virtually every DB to injury during that Superbowl run. The pass D was doing great in the first half, but succumbed to injury and fatigure, much like in the AFCCG this year.

- the part where you had to pause your rant to say that the Patriots were really good in 2004. And then stopped to talk about the worst game they had during their 14-2 Superbowl season, which was the one that ended their streak of 21 straight wins. Sorry, that didn't sting most Pats fans as much as you seemed to think it would at the start of your rant.

I really enjoyed the raw emotional hatred that has completely stripped the sense out of your normally reasonable posts. I won't talk about your use of yards per attempt as the defining statistic for quarterbacks, because you know as well as anyone that the Patriots offense is built around quick pass plays, screens, double screens, slants, and quick outs. I won't debate you on how you compare Brady's numbers straight up to Manning's, but fail to mention the slight teensy weensy difference in receivers, while simultaneousy making every possible mention to successes that the defense or special teams had to discredit Brady. Because there's nothing rational about this. It's real, it's raw, and it's what makes it fun to be a sports fan.

And today, while I'm mostly over the fact that the Patriots missed out on a Superbowl with a team that was never supposed to get this far, I get to hear all over again about the emotions people have for how good they are.

Thanks for reminding me. I needed it.

 
But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.
This part really surprises me. The way most of the Pats fans talk, I really thought Brady stepped up his game in the post season.
 
In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that those rants came from before yesterday's game, and immediately after the Chargers game. I'm sympathetic to Pats fans today, because that was a brutal loss to recover from, and I'm sure this is a tough day for them. I wouldn't kick them while their down now.

FWIW, it was a rant pure and simple. I didn't post it in the Shark Pool because it's pure shtick, and has no football relevance. It's fun every once in awhile to step back and not put a lot of serious thought into something, and obviously I was riled up after that Chargers win and thought it would be fun to write that out. I don't mind you for posting it UCLAGIE, but let's at least be clear on what it is. Mostly, a big :rant: .
Actually it was a rant and a very good one...But it has merit because one thing I am 100% certain of and that is that people OVERRATE QB"s who win. The team is the reason they win. Brady was along for the ride for most of the rings as was noticed with the great performance by the defense. It is MUCH easier to QB when you have a running threat the other team must concern themselves with rather than when they Know you have to throw. When Brady needed to come back against a good team he threw a pick and then got another chance. Against Indy he threw a pick again. Brady is a top tier QB, but he is overrated.
 
No offense, Chase, but that made my day. Every word of it. A couple parts I especially enjoyed:- the part where you complained about Belichick leaving the Jets. I love it. Parcells is negotiating his contract with the Jets DURING THE WEEK BEFORE THE SUPERBOWL, and that's no big deal. Parcells uses his intimate knowledge of the Patriots' salary cap to steal future hall of famer Curtis Martin away from the Patriots, and that's no big deal (by the way, you're wrong - he wasn't traded, he was franchised. The Jets made an offer that was specifically structured based on his insider knowledge of the Pats' cap so they could not match it, in a pre-Hutchison abuse of that rule). - the part where you said that Delhomme had a better day than Brady in that Superbowl while showing that Brady threw for more yards and the same number of TDs. By the way, the Patriots lost virtually every DB to injury during that Superbowl run. The pass D was doing great in the first half, but succumbed to injury and fatigure, much like in the AFCCG this year. - the part where you had to pause your rant to say that the Patriots were really good in 2004. And then stopped to talk about the worst game they had during their 14-2 Superbowl season, which was the one that ended their streak of 21 straight wins. Sorry, that didn't sting most Pats fans as much as you seemed to think it would at the start of your rant. I really enjoyed the raw emotional hatred that has completely stripped the sense out of your normally reasonable posts. I won't talk about your use of yards per attempt as the defining statistic for quarterbacks, because you know as well as anyone that the Patriots offense is built around quick pass plays, screens, double screens, slants, and quick outs. I won't debate you on how you compare Brady's numbers straight up to Manning's, but fail to mention the slight teensy weensy difference in receivers, while simultaneousy making every possible mention to successes that the defense or special teams had to discredit Brady. Because there's nothing rational about this. It's real, it's raw, and it's what makes it fun to be a sports fan. And today, while I'm mostly over the fact that the Patriots missed out on a Superbowl with a team that was never supposed to get this far, I get to hear all over again about the emotions people have for how good they are. Thanks for reminding me. I needed it.
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I guess rants are allowed if the last time your team was in the Super Bowl Tom Brady wasn't even born and the Nixon administration was just getting started.

 
But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.
This part really surprises me. The way most of the Pats fans talk, I really thought Brady stepped up his game in the post season.
I think QB rating is a terrible statistic and is way overrated. That being said, I believe Brady's playoff QB rating is very close to Joe Montana's and better than Peyton Mannings. QB ratings generally go down in the playoffs because you are playing tougher defenses. Make no mistake about it, historically Brady has stepped up his play in Playoff games.
 
Good good stuff Chase, I am a JETS fan and recall most of the craziness with fond memories. It was fun if you look at it that way.

Bill Parcells Pats team had the Packers beat, they won the game. Does anyone but me remember the Pats stopped a pass on 4th down late in the game but a saftey (Lawyer Miloy?) whos name escapes me right now committed a personal foul?

That gave the Packers a new set of downs and they marched down for the winning score.

I swear I'm the only who remembers that.

Making Bill Parcells the closest guy to being the first to win a SB w/ 2 different teams.

(I still say thats why Holmgren was so pissed last year, he almost had it)

Anyway those are my rants, and I'll add that:

The Pats WERE lucky to beat the Panthers! Kasay kicked the FG to put the Panthers ahead and then kicked the damn ball OB for a penalty that gave the Pats the ball on the 40. Not far for Brady to go and get AV a FG attempt...

 
In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that those rants came from before yesterday's game, and immediately after the Chargers game. I'm sympathetic to Pats fans today, because that was a brutal loss to recover from, and I'm sure this is a tough day for them. I wouldn't kick them while their down now.
:bag: you were a tool in the game thread, during and after the game. Did you forget we can view previous posts by you?

The best coach your team ever had is the Patriots coach. The best player your team ever had was a Patriot.

That's not much to hang your hat on, well unless you count the last time your team won a Supe they wore pantyhose.

 
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But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.
This part really surprises me. The way most of the Pats fans talk, I really thought Brady stepped up his game in the post season.
I think QB rating is a terrible statistic and is way overrated. That being said, I believe Brady's playoff QB rating is very close to Joe Montana's and better than Peyton Mannings. QB ratings generally go down in the playoffs because you are playing tougher defenses. Make no mistake about it, historically Brady has stepped up his play in Playoff games.
This is pretty much true. I'm working on something pretty interesting that is almost done, but I keep getting sidetracked. I think it will provide some merit to what Pat Patriot said. FWIW, Manning's career post-season rating is now 83.2, and Brady's is 86.2. Montana's post-season QB rating is 96.2.I also agree that QBR is not a great tool.
 
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Now I was out of the country in January 2004, so I couldn’t see the 2003 playoffs. New England beat Tennessee 17-14, after Brady led New England on a 13 yard drive to kick the eventual game winning field goal. That’s not a 13 play drive, but a 13 yard drive. Patriots supporters would say “Brady did enough to win”, but they needed a 46 yard kick from Vinatieri to win that game, hardly a gimme. Especially since The Most Clutch Playoff Kicker to Ever Miss Two Chip Shots in the Super Bowl had missed from 44 yards earlier. As it was, the kick from 46 just made it over the cross-bar. (Yes, I’m well aware this is Vinatieri’s patented move these days, and I sure hope he can do it again this weekend.)

From what I’ve read, Drew Bennett dropped a 4th down catch in the game’s final minute that could have given Tennessee a great chance to tie the game. Maybe Brady’s aura made his hands go numb. Brady threw for 201 yards on 41 passes, so this certainly was not his finest day. But the defense won it for the Pats, as a Rodney Harrison INT set up their critical TD.

We move to the AFC Championship game, where the Colts fell the Pats, 24-14. This it the Ty Law game, where Law intercepted three Manning passes. The Pats D was the story of the day, with 4 sacks and 4 INTs and a fumble recovery. The Colts defense wasn’t very good that year, but it did allow only one TD to the Pats. Brady played an alright game, but threw an INT at the Colts goal-line, which is inexcusable for any QB not named Brady. The Pats got a safety and five FGs, in part because Brady averaged just 5.46 AY/A. It’s no secret who the hero of this game was. And because I didn’t see the game, I won’t comment on the Patriots’ alleged mugging of the Colts receivers.

So Tom Brady’s 5-0, after being incredibly lucky in the first three playoff games, and having an incredible defense in the last two. Now comes the Super Bowl, where even I’ll admit Brady played an excellent game. He threw for 354 yards and 3 TDs, although to be fair that come on a whopping 48 attempts and he did throw an INT. It wasn’t one of the top ten Super Bowl stat lines of all time by a QB, and it wasn’t even the best by a QB that day. Jake Delhomme ate up The Genius’ D by throwing for 323 yards on 15 fewer passes, and had 3 TDs and zero INTs.

Adam Vinatieri missed two FGs that day, from 31 and 36 yards out. If the Panthers get a 2 point conversion, that game probably goes to overtime. Certainly Brady deserves credit for the W, but I’m not going to gush over him about it.
This postseason might actually be my favorite Tom Brady memory. First of all, McNair and Manning had been named co-MVPs that season. That's right, Steve McNair, with 3215 yards and 24 TDs, gets the rare co-MVP honors while Brady, who had 3620 and 23 TDs, didn't. And I'm not saying he should have. I have a lot of respect for what McNair did, with the help of a 1000 yard rusher and a 1300 yard receiver, while the Patriots had a 642 yard rusher lead the team, and an 803 yard receiver lead the team. But seeing McNair get the rare co-MVP honor, while Brady didn't even make the Pro Bowl, well, I was looking forward to this game. Fortunately, I couldn't get tickets to it. Normally, I'd say unfortunately. But the gametime temperature was somewhere between -5 and -10 degrees that day, before windchill. #### that, I'll watch this one at home with my friends. It was the kind of day where, just walking across the parking lot, you gain an appreciation for how someone could die of cold. And there were guys on both teams playing with short sleeves. Insane.

Brady's numbers at the end of the day - 21 for 41, 1 TD, 0 INT, 5 rushes for 5 yards - are decent but unspectacular. McNair's numbers - 18 for 26, 210 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, were fairly similar. So I can understand the comparison between the two. But, given the conditions, I don't think you can call it a bad game.

The next game was not -5 degrees. It was snowing. Nowhere near as badly as the Oakland game, but enough that it obscured visibility. 22 of 37 for 237 for 1 TD and 1 INT is nothing to write home about, but again, he outdueled a co-MVP. Manning was 23 of 47 for 237 and a TD (Chase, can you run the yards per pass for us on this one?). The killer was the 4 INTs. Did Law have a good game? Sure. Did Brady have Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Clark and Pollard? Nope.

Brady outdueled both co-MVPs in the playoffs that year. For every accolade you want to heap on the Patriots defense, you have to give credit to the fact that both teams had a #1 receiver who had more yards than Branch and Givens combined, and a number one running back who had 350-550 yards more than Antowain Smith.

But the coup de grace came in the Superbowl, when Brady and Delhomme both exploded in the second half. Of course, the Panthers defense was, for the most part, intact, while the Patriots lost 3/4 of their starting defensive backfield. But Brady outdueled Delhomme anyways, and completed 32 of 48 for 354 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT en route to a 32-29 victory in the final seconds.

Was Brady fortunate to have home field advantage? Yes, in the first two games. Was he fortunate to have his defense play better than his counterparts'? Yes again, in the first two games. Did he do more with fewer weapons than his counterparts? Once again, yes, in the first two games. And then in the Superbowl, on a neutral field, with a decimated defense, he carried the team on his back against one of the best defenses in the league.

I loved that run. Thanks for reminding me.

 
Good good stuff Chase, I am a JETS fan and recall most of the craziness with fond memories. It was fun if you look at it that way.

Bill Parcells Pats team had the Packers beat, they won the game. Does anyone but me remember the Pats stopped a pass on 4th down late in the game but a saftey (Lawyer Miloy?) whos name escapes me right now committed a personal foul?

That gave the Packers a new set of downs and they marched down for the winning score.I swear I'm the only who remembers that.

Making Bill Parcells the closest guy to being the first to win a SB w/ 2 different teams.

(I still say thats why Holmgren was so pissed last year, he almost had it)

Anyway those are my rants, and I'll add that:

The Pats WERE lucky to beat the Panthers! Kasay kicked the FG to put the Panthers ahead and then kicked the damn ball OB for a penalty that gave the Pats the ball on the 40. Not far for Brady to go and get AV a FG attempt...
1. I was at the game but it was over 10 years ago so this is by memory. The Pats were losing 27-14 at the half and got within 6 points with a TD late in the 3rd quarter. On the ensuing kickoff, Desmond Howard returned it for a 99 yard TD and then there was no scoring in the 4th quarter. The Pats were IN the game late in the 3rd but were NEVER in a position to win it and never got within 14 pts in the 4th. I dont remember the Milloy penalty but doubt it was the difference in the game. :shrug: 2. The Patriots took a 29-22 lead on Carolina after a long TD drive by the Pats and a Kevin Faulk 2 pt conversion. On the ensuing possession, Carolina drove down and tied the game on a TD to Ricky Proehl with 1:08 left. Of course the kick out of bounds helped the Pats. Brady then drove the Pats 36 yards for an easy 41 yard game winning kick by Vinatieri.

Nice rant but dont let facts get in your way.

 
But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.
This part really surprises me. The way most of the Pats fans talk, I really thought Brady stepped up his game in the post season.
I think QB rating is a terrible statistic and is way overrated. That being said, I believe Brady's playoff QB rating is very close to Joe Montana's and better than Peyton Mannings. QB ratings generally go down in the playoffs because you are playing tougher defenses. Make no mistake about it, historically Brady has stepped up his play in Playoff games.
This is pretty much true. I'm working on something pretty interesting that is almost done, but I keep getting sidetracked. I think it will provide some merit to what Pat Patriot said. FWIW, Manning's career post-season rating is now 83.2, and Brady's is 86.2. Montana's post-season QB rating is 96.2.I also agree that QBR is not a great tool.
Are you sure about Montana? I thought I saw that his was around 87 over the weekend. He did have a couple of real stinkers against the Giants that could have brought it down.
 
But of course we do watch playoff football, where Tom Brady becomes…well, I’ll let you decide. Brady’s career playoff adjusted yards per attempt ratio? 6.23. Career playoff QB rating? 86.8. Average unadjusted yards per attempt? 6.60. Completion percentage? 60.6%. I won’t make you scroll up….EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN HIS CAREER REGULAR SEASON AVERAGES. Brady doesn’t turn from Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck into Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas in the post-season, he turns into a slightly less effective version of himself.
This part really surprises me. The way most of the Pats fans talk, I really thought Brady stepped up his game in the post season.
I think QB rating is a terrible statistic and is way overrated. That being said, I believe Brady's playoff QB rating is very close to Joe Montana's and better than Peyton Mannings. QB ratings generally go down in the playoffs because you are playing tougher defenses. Make no mistake about it, historically Brady has stepped up his play in Playoff games.
This is pretty much true. I'm working on something pretty interesting that is almost done, but I keep getting sidetracked. I think it will provide some merit to what Pat Patriot said. FWIW, Manning's career post-season rating is now 83.2, and Brady's is 86.2. Montana's post-season QB rating is 96.2.I also agree that QBR is not a great tool.
Are you sure about Montana? I thought I saw that his was around 87 over the weekend. He did have a couple of real stinkers against the Giants that could have brought it down.
1986 was the only big stinker he had against the Giants. He was merely below average in '85. But I re-checked, and yes 96.2 is correct. 463/732, 5772, 45 TD/21 INT. Note: I'm running my numbers again, and I might have him at 95.7. I've got some conflicting data on whether he threw 2 TDs or 3 against the Vikings in 1988.Second note: I'm pretty sure the 44 is just a typo. Wikipedia and PFR's online database have Joe at 45.
 
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Is there any explanation as to why the Patriots are so lucky?

Most real Patriot fans would readily admit that Brady was not the MVP of the first SB victory. I think it should have been Ty Law.

I was one Patriot season ticket holder that did not side with Kraft in his dispute with Parcells. I hated Kraft for it and did not renew my season tickets the next year. That is how upset I was with losing Parcells. The year after a SB appearance, I gave up my tickets.

Contrary to whatever statistics that Chase or anyone else wants to put up, after SB XXXVI Brady made himself into a GREAT QB. He has been very clutch for the Patriots and I would not have wanted anybody else as our QB. No matter how good your defense is, you do not win 3 SB's with the same QB if he is not Great. It is not easy to win a SB in the NFL.

These are only a couple of comments that I could make about this rant but I'll stop there. I cant say it wasnt entertaining though.

BTW. Tom Brady was pretty good at Michigan. He beat a Shaun Alexander led Alabama team in a Bowl, 38-37. One of many very good games that he had at Michigan.
It appears Brady's luck was spawned before the Patriots as he won that bowl game by one point. A missed PAT in OT IIRC.
 
Is there any explanation as to why the Patriots are so lucky?

Most real Patriot fans would readily admit that Brady was not the MVP of the first SB victory. I think it should have been Ty Law.

I was one Patriot season ticket holder that did not side with Kraft in his dispute with Parcells. I hated Kraft for it and did not renew my season tickets the next year. That is how upset I was with losing Parcells. The year after a SB appearance, I gave up my tickets.

Contrary to whatever statistics that Chase or anyone else wants to put up, after SB XXXVI Brady made himself into a GREAT QB. He has been very clutch for the Patriots and I would not have wanted anybody else as our QB. No matter how good your defense is, you do not win 3 SB's with the same QB if he is not Great. It is not easy to win a SB in the NFL.

These are only a couple of comments that I could make about this rant but I'll stop there. I cant say it wasnt entertaining though.

BTW. Tom Brady was pretty good at Michigan. He beat a Shaun Alexander led Alabama team in a Bowl, 38-37. One of many very good games that he had at Michigan.
It appears Brady's luck was spawned before the Patriots as he won that bowl game by one point. A missed PAT in OT IIRC.
Good memory. Was it luck though that he put up 35 against Alabama? Obviously a missed extra point in OT would seem lucky but Brady led Michigan to a 10-2 record that year. He was a captain and lost to MSU by 3 and Illinois by 6. Thats it. 20 TD's and 6 ints. This misconception that Brady wasnt very good at Michigan is a load of crap.
 
Is there any explanation as to why the Patriots are so lucky?

Most real Patriot fans would readily admit that Brady was not the MVP of the first SB victory. I think it should have been Ty Law.

I was one Patriot season ticket holder that did not side with Kraft in his dispute with Parcells. I hated Kraft for it and did not renew my season tickets the next year. That is how upset I was with losing Parcells. The year after a SB appearance, I gave up my tickets.

Contrary to whatever statistics that Chase or anyone else wants to put up, after SB XXXVI Brady made himself into a GREAT QB. He has been very clutch for the Patriots and I would not have wanted anybody else as our QB. No matter how good your defense is, you do not win 3 SB's with the same QB if he is not Great. It is not easy to win a SB in the NFL.

These are only a couple of comments that I could make about this rant but I'll stop there. I cant say it wasnt entertaining though.

BTW. Tom Brady was pretty good at Michigan. He beat a Shaun Alexander led Alabama team in a Bowl, 38-37. One of many very good games that he had at Michigan.
It appears Brady's luck was spawned before the Patriots as he won that bowl game by one point. A missed PAT in OT IIRC.
Good memory. Was it luck though that he put up 35 against Alabama? Obviously a missed extra point in OT would seem lucky but Brady led Michigan to a 10-2 record that year. He was a captain and lost to MSU by 3 and Illinois by 6. Thats it. 20 TD's and 6 ints. This misconception that Brady wasnt very good at Michigan is a load of crap.
That was a great game. That game still do this day makes me wonder what the heck happened to ALexander's pass catching abilities. He was an absolute beast in that game, as a receiver as well. I saw him run a fly pattern and completely burn the Michigan cornerback.Brady played great as well. I just kinda chuckled to myself when I remembered the botched PAT.

 
Great post Chase. As a Raiders fan, I'm still bitter over the tuck rule loss in the snow. I still think Vinatieri doesn't get nearly enough credit for some of the opportunities that the Pats have had over the last few years due to his clutch kicking. It was great to see Manning finally get over on the Patriots yesterday.

At the same time, I've been really impressed with how classy most of the Patriots fans have been regarding their posts following what must have been a gut wrenching loss being up 21-3 at one point.

Very nice work here though and I learned a lot regarding some of the earlier history regarding BB. :mellow:

 
Great post Chase. As a Raiders fan, I'm still bitter over the tuck rule loss in the snow. I still think Vinatieri doesn't get nearly enough credit for some of the opportunities that the Pats have had over the last few years due to his clutch kicking. It was great to see Manning finally get over on the Patriots yesterday. At the same time, I've been really impressed with how classy most of the Patriots fans have been regarding their posts following what must have been a gut wrenching loss being up 21-3 at one point. Very nice work here though and I learned a lot regarding some of the earlier history regarding BB. :mellow:
It was a great rant but not all that factual. I dont know that you learned as much as you think you might have.I'm curious. What kicks would you like to give Vinatieri even more credit for than he has already gotten? To me, he seems to get too much credit for a kicker. I have seen some say that Brady wouldnt have any titles without Vinatieri simply because the Pats won each of their Bowls by 3 points. I guess they forget that Vinatieri missed 2 rather short FG's in the Carolina bowl before hitting the game winner. He hit 1 22 yard insurance FG against Philly. I dont think the Pats won the Carolina or Philly SB's because of Vinatieri. You can rightfully say that due to the Snow Game the Pats wouldnt even have made the Rams SB without Vinatieri but AV was along for the ride once the Pats became a great team in 2003 and 2004.
 
I hate this thing, but it kind of applies-- even though I accept that the rant was just for fun, and well-written.

:ptts:

Nobody is that lucky. Nobody. Brady's numbers aren't always great (though not always terrible) but who is he throwing to? Honestly: how many rings would Brady have if he was throwing to Harrison and Wayne? I'd say at least three.

Oh, wait...

Finally, I think Vinatieri is a little over-rated. Yes, he's made all those game-winning kicks. But NONE of them (that I recall) were "you lose if you miss" kicks. In those cases, the team would still be tied if he missed. There's still pressure...but not Scott Norwood-pressure, or Vandy against the Steelers-pressure. You could still win in OT if you missed.

Maybe if the team was down by two he still would have made them. Maybe not. But it's not the same kind of pressure imo.

 
I hate this thing, but it kind of applies-- even though I accept that the rant was just for fun, and well-written. :ptts: Nobody is that lucky. Nobody. Brady's numbers aren't always great (though not always terrible) but who is he throwing to? Honestly: how many rings would Brady have if he was throwing to Harrison and Wayne? I'd say at least three. Oh, wait...Finally, I think Vinatieri is a little over-rated. Yes, he's made all those game-winning kicks. But NONE of them (that I recall) were "you lose if you miss" kicks. In those cases, the team would still be tied if he missed. There's still pressure...but not Scott Norwood-pressure, or Vandy against the Steelers-pressure. You could still win in OT if you missed. Maybe if the team was down by two he still would have made them. Maybe not. But it's not the same kind of pressure imo.
The kick following The Tuck was lose and you miss pressure. I'm not dragging up a boxscore, but the Pats were down 3 with seconds to go when he kicked them into OT from I think 45 yards. That kick was absolutely incredible, and was without a doubt one of the top two greatest kicks ever made against the Oakland Raiders from 2000-2001.
 

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