Leeroy Jenkins
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3600 yards and 19Tds in 2008 for Miami. Had more weapons now. He could be decent I think.
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Pennington to start for Dolphins in week 10 (1 Viewer)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
For all of you that think this is a dumb idea, how do you feel when you read this?
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydol...had-pennington/
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
How many starts does/did he have to make for the escalator to kick in?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
From the sound of it, just one.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
What does that have to do with the price of lap dances in Montreal?
This is more about Sporano protecting his boy Henning - who should be taking the blame here IMO - not Henne.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Chad Pennington's teams have never missed the payoffs during any year that he has stayed healthy. The guy is a much better QB than people give him credit for being. The inability to remain healthy has been an issue of course, but he wins games when he plays.
dwashington
Footballguy
Maybe a bump up for Fasano?
Native
Footballguy
Dolphin fan here.
While Im not a big Chad Henne fan (and understand a lot of the criticism against him), the guy who deserves most of the blame here IMO is clearly Tony Sparano. For the last two seasons, Sparano has been WAY TOO conservative on offense to the point where it handcuffs the QB. Its painful to watch but Sparano will very rarely go for it on 4th down - even late in games or inside the opponents redzone. He will punt late in the 4th quarter when the Phins are losing even if theres no guarantee hell ever get the ball back. He'll also settle for FG's more than any other HC Ive seen. This puts a tremendous amount of pressure on a young QB and leaves very little margin for error. Sure Henne can be mistake prone, but Sparano needs to do more to lend his Offense a helping hand by deviating from this conservative clock management scheme predicated on old-school 4th down probabilities. Hell, even Peyton Manning needs four downs sometimes to keep the drive going. I dont think Sparano understands that by being obstinately conservative, youre putting MORE pressure on your QB, not less. As a result of Sparano's playcalling and clock management, the Dolphins play from behind more often and theres additional responsibility on Henne to play the role of hero late in games. Thats no way to mold a young QB.
Now dont get me wrong - Henne still stares down too many QB's and has a tendency to be too mechanical in the pocket. But he really could have benefited from some more support from the HC, or at least the OC Henning.
While Im not a big Chad Henne fan (and understand a lot of the criticism against him), the guy who deserves most of the blame here IMO is clearly Tony Sparano. For the last two seasons, Sparano has been WAY TOO conservative on offense to the point where it handcuffs the QB. Its painful to watch but Sparano will very rarely go for it on 4th down - even late in games or inside the opponents redzone. He will punt late in the 4th quarter when the Phins are losing even if theres no guarantee hell ever get the ball back. He'll also settle for FG's more than any other HC Ive seen. This puts a tremendous amount of pressure on a young QB and leaves very little margin for error. Sure Henne can be mistake prone, but Sparano needs to do more to lend his Offense a helping hand by deviating from this conservative clock management scheme predicated on old-school 4th down probabilities. Hell, even Peyton Manning needs four downs sometimes to keep the drive going. I dont think Sparano understands that by being obstinately conservative, youre putting MORE pressure on your QB, not less. As a result of Sparano's playcalling and clock management, the Dolphins play from behind more often and theres additional responsibility on Henne to play the role of hero late in games. Thats no way to mold a young QB.
Now dont get me wrong - Henne still stares down too many QB's and has a tendency to be too mechanical in the pocket. But he really could have benefited from some more support from the HC, or at least the OC Henning.
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I'm going to have to disagree here. The voice of firsthand experience. 3-4 years ago Pennington was force feeding the ball to Cotchery down the stretch. These passes weren't way down the field either. The duo clicked so well I got into the playoffs. When Pennington went down and Kellen Clemens took the field I was given a quick exit in the first round. I've noticed this season when Henne targets Marshall in the endzone he's off target with his throws. That's not going to happen with Pennington. As long as he stays healthy that is.
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
This is one of the most maddening things that coaches - NFL and college - do. The probabilities are heavily on the side of going for it on 4th down in most cases. On top of the expected value, there's also the intangible benefits to going for it like showing confidence in your players and breaking the will of the defense. The expected values of going for it on 4th were worked out by a Berkeley professor (Go Bears!) and, like I said, fall heavily on the side of going for it in most cases:
http://elsa.berkeley.edu/users/dromer/papers/nber9024.pdf
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And yes, Sparano is pathetically conservative.
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
There are a lot of Posters in this thread showing a lack of understanding of Brandon Marshall as a player. He is not a downfield wide receiver, he is a possession receiver with freakish beast ability after the catch. He is obviously more "downfield" than say Bess, but he is no Randy Moss. I think Pennington will be good for Marshall.
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THE FANTASY KING
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THE FANTASY KING
They had a super-easy schedule in 2008, especially down the stretch. Pennington only threw 19 TDs, but had an incredibly low 4 INTs. He made the TEs look very good - Martin averaged 14.5 per catch with 3 TDs and Fasano had 7 TDs. He'll have Marshall and Bess, instead of Ginn, Camarillo and Bess.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
what is your gut feeling on Bess' rest of season if Penny is the QB?
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Wow, there's going to be a lot of crow to go around if Pennington performs well from here on out. I can't believe the unanimous disagreement with this move.
Pennington is made of glass and he's not the Dolphins QB solution (Henne might not have been either BUT he wasn't performing that badly that he needed to be benched)
Man In The Box
Footballguy
My disgust with this move has nothing to do with the performance of Chad Pennington. It's about the growth of Chad Henne. We know what Pennington is. He's not the future. What is the best case scenario with this move? Pennington goes 5-3 and they finish 9-7? Maybe somehow sneak into the playoffs and get pummeled by Baltimore again? Miami's problem is not Chad Henne. It's their offensive philosophy. It's awful. Way too conservative. Leave Henne in there and take the training wheels off. Get creative and let him use the weapons at his disposal. There's a lot of talent on this offense. I liked what I saw game plan wise against the Jets, even though they lost. Too bad that was the only game so far this season that they played to win, instead of playing not to lose.
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I'm not a Dolphins fan but I'd be okay with this move were a member of that bandwagon.
If the rumors are true he's just a stopgap to Thigpen then that sounds good. Henne imo hasn't look all that great. Or even good. I have no clue how Pennington has looked in practice but obviously the coaches felt he showed a lot more potential to help this team make the playoffs.
If the rumors are true he's just a stopgap to Thigpen then that sounds good. Henne imo hasn't look all that great. Or even good. I have no clue how Pennington has looked in practice but obviously the coaches felt he showed a lot more potential to help this team make the playoffs.
They're gonna have to go on some run to make the playoffs from the AFC East Considering they have Tennessee Than A Short week (Bears on Thursday) Oakland,Cleveland,Jets,Buffalo,Detroit,Patriots.At best I can't see better than a 5-3 finish and IMHO 9 wins won't be enough to make the playoffs from the AFC
I don't get this one at all.
The Dolphins have lost to the 4 best teams in the AFC *and possibly in the entire NF)L. And you can't really pin those losses on Henne. I doubt Pennington would have compiled a better record over 8 games.
Even if the Dolphins lose out, they're still better off starting Henne every game and developing him. Pennington is not getting this team to the superbowl or even the playoffs.
If Dolphins end up getting rid of Henne next year, I'm sure he's going to be a starter somewhere else very quickly.
The Dolphins have lost to the 4 best teams in the AFC *and possibly in the entire NF)L. And you can't really pin those losses on Henne. I doubt Pennington would have compiled a better record over 8 games.
Even if the Dolphins lose out, they're still better off starting Henne every game and developing him. Pennington is not getting this team to the superbowl or even the playoffs.
If Dolphins end up getting rid of Henne next year, I'm sure he's going to be a starter somewhere else very quickly.
apparently the professional football coaches and evaluators that have watched and worked with henne for the last 3 yrs feel that he is not the future either. i realize its a tiresome card to play, but often its the most likely scenario.
If the Dolphins are looking to dump Henne after the season I would think they would want him playing for a "Potential" trade If they're not going to dump him then he'll be useless IMHO after getting pulled for Mr. Chad "made of glass" Pennington.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
The fact that guys like Pennington and Kitna and Kerry Collins are still starting games in this league shows how hard it must be to make it as a QB in the NFL. I mean out of the hundreds of QB prospects that have gone through the college ranks over the last decade and never got a sniff at the NFL, these are 3 of the only guys that are still coming out of the bullpen. You would think there would be a slightly larger talent pool of serviceable QB's but there never is.
I also don't understand how Pennington will get another shot but Miami had zero interest in Randy Moss. It would have been cool to see that Marshall connection reunited. I think the Titans made a smart move by signing Moss and Miami is going to really struggle with Chad at QB unless they can somehow get the running game going.
I also don't understand how Pennington will get another shot but Miami had zero interest in Randy Moss. It would have been cool to see that Marshall connection reunited. I think the Titans made a smart move by signing Moss and Miami is going to really struggle with Chad at QB unless they can somehow get the running game going.
playoffs tho
No chance of the playoffs in Miami this year (Jets/NE still on schedule = 2 more division losses IMHO) 2-4 div rec + 9-7 record at best = Miami on the beaches after Jan 2nd
All three of them had some measure of "success" as starters so it isn't a surprise that they have become "relief pitchers" as they got older (In Chad's defense though he's youngish he is injury prone)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's possible that him playing lessens his trade value either because he's further exposed as an average (at best) QB or gets injured.I'm also a little tired of the "glass" comments concerning Pennington. He's had his rotator cuff torn a couple of times and broke his arm in a preseason game against the Giants. It's not like he's missed games with nicks and bruises. He's a tough QB who takes his share of hits and keeps going. He's had some bad luck but has battled through a couple of surgeries and keeps going. I'd love to see these message board tough guys take the hits he has and keep playing.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Dolphins almost beat the Jets and lost to the Pats almost solely due to special team mistakes - the Phins believe (rightfully so) that they are playoff contenders. As much as I'd love for them to give up on the season, I'm not sure why their is outrage that they aren't.
Reaper
Footballguy
I don't think the opinions in here have a lot to do with FANTASY..... It's more about developing a young QB in the NFL and the talent level of the defenses he has faces so far as well as the future at QB for Miami...
Most fantasy owners of Henne had him as depth / backup... I doubt anyone was really counting on Henne enough to come here to make excuses for him.
That said, maybe they feel this is a kick in the pants to Henne and to be a successful QB he needs to take the next step in off the field prep and work ethic?????
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* A Side thought..... DOES THIS BODE VERY WELL FOR RONNIE BROWN????
I watch the Jets running game this year and what I think it lacks is consistency, crsip play and Moving the chains....
Pennington is a Move the chains QB.... Get the next 1st down and move on. Dink and dunk to Brandon Marshall all day 1st down.. Run / Run / Penny to Marshall..... Run / Run / Dump to Marshall... Wildcat ####, Run, Dump to Bess.......
Sounds like an offense that might look to tighten things up... Make 1st downs and rack up a lot of PPR stats for a few guys.
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DesmondBishop
Footballguy
I meant lucky to survive the first drive! This was one of the worst coaching decisions of the year, they got lucky and pulled out the win. I don't think Henne is a superstar, but he is definitely better than noodle arm.Exactly what I was thinking, he has played the best defenses in the NFL and has had a ton of dropped passes to go along with that. This is a crap move by Miami, I hope they lose out, Pennington will be lucky if he survives vs Tenn who has a dominating line and they will be fresh.
