Perceived Value vs. Actual Value (1 Viewer)

[fornov]

What is the relative value of these RB's: Tiki Barber, Willie Parker, Frank Gore, and Tatum Bell? Who would you most want to have for the remainder of the season? Who could return the most in a trade? I think these two questions could have very different answers. In terms of perceived value, I would rank them:

Barber

Gore

Parker

Bell

In terms of actual value over the rest of this year, I would rank them:

Bell

Barber

Parker

Gore

I believe Bell is THE MAN in Denver, and should be top 5-10 over the final 12 weeks. Barber is in that same 5-10 range. Parker is not far behind in the 10-15 range, while Gore is probably 15-20 or so. What does everyone else think of their relative values?

 

[(HULK)]

What is the relative value of these RB's: Tiki Barber, Willie Parker, Frank Gore, and Tatum Bell? Who would you most want to have for the remainder of the season? Who could return the most in a trade? I think these two questions could have very different answers. In terms of perceived value, I would rank them:BarberGoreParkerBellIn terms of actual value over the rest of this year, I would rank them:BellBarberParkerGoreI believe Bell is THE MAN in Denver, and should be top 5-10 over the final 12 weeks. Barber is in that same 5-10 range. Parker is not far behind in the 10-15 range, while Gore is probably 15-20 or so. What does everyone else think of their relative values?

I think your perception of Tatum Bell is overly optimistic and your perception of Frank Gore is overly pessimistic.I'd rank them:GoreBarberParkerBellTatum Bell is really quick and a great RB when there is a hole for him to run through. Unfortunately for him he tends to go down on first contact often. Frank Gore has less holes to run through, but he makes his yards the tough way. As a result, Gore is much more reliable, and Bell is going to have several days where he leaves you incredibly wanting.

 

[bjabrad]

I agree that Bell and Barber will be very good.

 

[BigRed]

Please rate my draft TIA

 

[One]

Barber (will break out into his old self... no pun intended )

Bell (owns the job in Denver. Scary. I wish i had him in at least one league. )

Parker (GL carries, a team that runs 1st, a good amount of talent... if he can keep the load, hard to pass on. )

Gore (looked good last week, but only gets the Raiders once. Just sell high.. c'mon seriously. )

 

[dawgtrails]

What is the relative value of these RB's: Tiki Barber, Willie Parker, Frank Gore, and Tatum Bell? Who would you most want to have for the remainder of the season? Who could return the most in a trade? I think these two questions could have very different answers. In terms of perceived value, I would rank them:

Barber

Gore

Parker

Bell

In terms of actual value over the rest of this year, I would rank them:

Bell

Barber

Parker

Gore

I believe Bell is THE MAN in Denver, and should be top 5-10 over the final 12 weeks. Barber is in that same 5-10 range. Parker is not far behind in the 10-15 range, while Gore is probably 15-20 or so. What does everyone else think of their relative values?

I think your perception of Tatum Bell is overly optimistic and your perception of Frank Gore is overly pessimistic.I'd rank them:

Gore

Barber

Parker

Bell

Tatum Bell is really quick and a great RB when there is a hole for him to run through. Unfortunately for him he tends to go down on first contact often. Frank Gore has less holes to run through, but he makes his yards the tough way. As a result, Gore is much more reliable, and Bell is going to have several days where he leaves you incredibly wanting.

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

 

[(HULK)]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

 

[dawgtrails]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

I'm not insulted. Relax.Anyway, there are almost no starting running backs in the league that go down on first contact. Don't know why people say that.

And yes, I have drank the Bell kool aid. He is the starting RB for Denver, that is actually enough for me to hop on the bandwagon.

 

[(HULK)]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

I'm not insulted. Relax.Anyway, there are almost no starting running backs in the league that go down on first contact. Don't know why people say that.

And yes, I have drank the Bell kool aid. He is the starting RB for Denver, that is actually enough for me to hop on the bandwagon.

Going from what I've seen of him, I would not label him a "tough runner".Good luck to you and your bandwagon. My advice is to always follow your gut, but don't sell the farm trying to acquire Bell.

 

[(HULK)]

[aside]Anyone know where to get break tackle stats?[/aside]

 

[PahtyTom]

They're all top 10 RBs IMO. Very hard to rank them because they bring different positives to the table aside from being very talented. FWP is the feature back on a running team and getting GL carries. Gore is the centerpiece of his offense and probably the best all around runner of the group. Bell has the highest upside as the feature back in Denver now, but his risk of losing his job is still in the back of everyone's mind. And Tiki is a proven, consistent great RB without GL touches. Personally, if I had to rank them I'd go Gore, FWP, Tiki, Tatum but I would not blame anyone for having different rankings because they are so closesly bunched IMO. All very good options to have right now at the RB slot though.

 

[Texican]

I think your perception of Tatum Bell is overly optimistic and your perception of Frank Gore is overly pessimistic.I'd rank them:GoreBarberParkerBellTatum Bell is really quick and a great RB when there is a hole for him to run through. Unfortunately for him he tends to go down on first contact often. Frank Gore has less holes to run through, but he makes his yards the tough way. As a result, Gore is much more reliable, and Bell is going to have several days where he leaves you incredibly wanting.

Fortunately, Denver's line is able to make some holes.

 

[mulliganm]

It depends if you are talking redraft or keeper leagues. Ive got barber in a kepper league and I wouldnt trade him for any of those listed, but I dont think any of the owners of the guys listed would trade me straight up for Barber.

 

[SSOG]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

Out of curiousity, how many Denver games have you seen this season? Baltimore was the best example, but he really has looked different running the ball this year. It's also pretty darn impressive when you get the rock on 3rd-and-7 and manage to convert, taking Ray Lewis for a ride on the last 5 yards of it.Physically, he's not any different from last year, but I can definitely see differences in his style. He gets his pads a lot lower this year, and he's quicker to initiate contact when it becomes clear that he can't run around it. It's definitely made a difference this season. He's not breaking tackles, per se, but he's definitely getting yardage after contact. Besides, he didn't break many tackles last year, and he still managed almost 1,000 yards in extremely limited action. Downgrading Tatum Bell because he doesn't break tackles would be like downgrading Terrell Davis because he was slow. It's true, but it never really stopped him before.

 

[Fantaholic]

I have Gore not Bell, unfortunately. The way I see it, and I agree with this thread that Gore is a sell high prospect and Bell is buy very low for now. That will change after this week against Oakland.

Let's look at Gore's production and schedule

Week 1 @ARI 16 87 5.44 2 1 6 83 0

Week 2 STL 29 127 4.38 1 1 2 10 0

Week 3 PHI 16 52 3.25 0 1 6 22 0

Week 4 @KAN 14 65 4.64 0 1 2 14 0

Week 5 OAK 27 134 4.96 0 0 3 38 0

Week 6 SDG

Week 7 < bye >

Week 8 @CHI

Week 9 MIN

Week 10 @DET

Week 11 SEA

Week 12 @STL

Week 13 @NOR

Week 14 GNB

Week 15 @SEA

Week 16 ARI

Week 17 @DEN

He tore up Arizona, Oakland, and St Louis and was average against Philly and KC. He plays SD this week then a bye and then at Chi, Minn. The next 4 weeks will kill Gore's perceived value to this point. Not to mention that he will most likely perform average at best over the next few games.

Now, let's look at Bell's numbers and schedule

Week 1 @STL 15 103 6.87 0 1 0 0 0

Week 2 KAN 16 69 4.31 0 0 2 7 0

Week 3 @NWE 27 123 4.56 0 0 2 19 0

Week 4 < bye >

Week 5 BAL 19 92 4.84 0 1 2 7 0

Week 6 OAK

Week 7 @CLE

Week 8 IND

Week 9 @PIT

Week 10 @OAK

Week 11 SDG

Week 12 @KAN

Week 13 SEA

Week 14 @SDG

Week 15 @ARI

Week 16 CIN

Week 17 SFO

Bell is averaging over 5 ypc and that includes starts at N.E. and against Baltimore. His bye is already out of the way, and he faces Oakland, Cle, and Indy the next 3 weeks. His value is going to SKYROCKET over the next 3 weeks. He may have 150 yards and two TD's this week.

I would LOVE to be able to trade Gore for Bell right now. Their values are about to do a complete flip flop, and I think the poster of this thread is right on.

 

[fornov]

It's hard to say, isn't it? I appreciate all the comments so far. I think we're at a real crossroads in the season right now. There are so many variables in everyone's mind, which makes it hard to determine value. This year's production vs. previous years' production, preseason expectations vs. in-season changes, easy early schedules vs. upcoming schedules vs. playoff schedules, injury risks, bye weeks, and coaching strategies are all factors that are weighing (in my mind, at least) on the values of players.

I think I'd like to trade Gore for Bell, but that might bite me. In one league I have both, and would like to put together a package for McNabb. Who should I want to keep? Who would the other owner rather have? Barber should be safe, but is this the year he declines? Parker seems very safe, moderate ceiling, high floor. Other guys who I'm trying to get a handle on are Kevin Jones, Portis, Stephen Jackson, and Ronnie Brown.

Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical post than anything. Thanks for the discussion, and please continue if anyone has anything more to add.

 

[(HULK)]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

Out of curiousity, how many Denver games have you seen this season? Baltimore was the best example, but he really has looked different running the ball this year. It's also pretty darn impressive when you get the rock on 3rd-and-7 and manage to convert, taking Ray Lewis for a ride on the last 5 yards of it.Physically, he's not any different from last year, but I can definitely see differences in his style. He gets his pads a lot lower this year, and he's quicker to initiate contact when it becomes clear that he can't run around it. It's definitely made a difference this season. He's not breaking tackles, per se, but he's definitely getting yardage after contact. Besides, he didn't break many tackles last year, and he still managed almost 1,000 yards in extremely limited action. Downgrading Tatum Bell because he doesn't break tackles would be like downgrading Terrell Davis because he was slow. It's true, but it never really stopped him before.

I'll have to make it a point to pay more attention to him this week and see if I see what you're saying.I'm not downgrading him at all by the way, but I'm not onboard with people putting him in the top 5, and I'm nervous for the people that put him in the top 10.

 

[Two Deep]

Do you just make stuff up, or do you have something to back that statement up?

Bell is "perceived" as this little, fast, thrid down type back. He is not. He is quick, but he rarely goes down on first contact. This year especially. Did you watch the Ravens game? I tend to think not. Because if you did, you would not have made that statement.

I am glad that there is that perception of him. I just got him pretty cheap in one league because of that.

I would rank them

Barber

Bell

Gore

Parker

Um, I have Sunday Ticket. I've seen Bell play MANY times since he was drafted. He doesn't break a lot of tackles.He had a decent game Monday, but I'm not one to let one game totally change my perception of a player. Keep drinking the Bell koolaide if you like. We won't know how it pans out until the season is over, but I personally wouldn't bet heavily on him. Thats my take. If my difference of opinion is somehow insulting to you, I suggest you grow up.

I'm not insulted. Relax.Anyway, there are almost no starting running backs in the league that go down on first contact. Don't know why people say that.

And yes, I have drank the Bell kool aid. He is the starting RB for Denver, that is actually enough for me to hop on the bandwagon.

Have you seen Jamal Lewis that guy goes down faster than a horny Pamela Anderson.

 

[LivingTheDream]

It's hard to say, isn't it? I appreciate all the comments so far. I think we're at a real crossroads in the season right now. There are so many variables in everyone's mind, which makes it hard to determine value. This year's production vs. previous years' production, preseason expectations vs. in-season changes, easy early schedules vs. upcoming schedules vs. playoff schedules, injury risks, bye weeks, and coaching strategies are all factors that are weighing (in my mind, at least) on the values of players.I think I'd like to trade Gore for Bell, but that might bite me. In one league I have both, and would like to put together a package for McNabb. Who should I want to keep? Who would the other owner rather have? Barber should be safe, but is this the year he declines? Parker seems very safe, moderate ceiling, high floor. Other guys who I'm trying to get a handle on are Kevin Jones, Portis, Stephen Jackson, and Ronnie Brown.Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical post than anything. Thanks for the discussion, and please continue if anyone has anything more to add.

Look at Gore and Bell's schedule. Then ask yourself what Portis did his rookie year when he was named starter in week 5. Then offer Gore for Bell and hope the other owner does it.

 

[(HULK)]

It's hard to say, isn't it? I appreciate all the comments so far. I think we're at a real crossroads in the season right now. There are so many variables in everyone's mind, which makes it hard to determine value. This year's production vs. previous years' production, preseason expectations vs. in-season changes, easy early schedules vs. upcoming schedules vs. playoff schedules, injury risks, bye weeks, and coaching strategies are all factors that are weighing (in my mind, at least) on the values of players.I think I'd like to trade Gore for Bell, but that might bite me. In one league I have both, and would like to put together a package for McNabb. Who should I want to keep? Who would the other owner rather have? Barber should be safe, but is this the year he declines? Parker seems very safe, moderate ceiling, high floor. Other guys who I'm trying to get a handle on are Kevin Jones, Portis, Stephen Jackson, and Ronnie Brown.Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical post than anything. Thanks for the discussion, and please continue if anyone has anything more to add.

Look at Gore and Bell's schedule. Then ask yourself what Portis did his rookie year when he was named starter in week 5. Then offer Gore for Bell and hope the other owner does it.

No offense to you Bell Backers, but Bell isn't close to as talented as Portis is. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him 3 season to become the starter.

 

[LivingTheDream]

It's hard to say, isn't it? I appreciate all the comments so far. I think we're at a real crossroads in the season right now. There are so many variables in everyone's mind, which makes it hard to determine value. This year's production vs. previous years' production, preseason expectations vs. in-season changes, easy early schedules vs. upcoming schedules vs. playoff schedules, injury risks, bye weeks, and coaching strategies are all factors that are weighing (in my mind, at least) on the values of players.I think I'd like to trade Gore for Bell, but that might bite me. In one league I have both, and would like to put together a package for McNabb. Who should I want to keep? Who would the other owner rather have? Barber should be safe, but is this the year he declines? Parker seems very safe, moderate ceiling, high floor. Other guys who I'm trying to get a handle on are Kevin Jones, Portis, Stephen Jackson, and Ronnie Brown.Anyway, this is more of a rhetorical post than anything. Thanks for the discussion, and please continue if anyone has anything more to add.

Look at Gore and Bell's schedule. Then ask yourself what Portis did his rookie year when he was named starter in week 5. Then offer Gore for Bell and hope the other owner does it.

No offense to you Bell Backers, but Bell isn't close to as talented as Portis is. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him 3 season to become the starter.

True, but it's not all about talent. Look at the stats from the Denver running game last year. Anderson 1200 combined yards 13 TDsBell 1000 combined yards 8 TDsAll the carries are going to Bell right now. He is going to put up huge numbers.

 

[Otis]

Please rate my draft TIA

and

 

[Bad Mojo]

I offered Gore for Bell, and the only reason he is turning it down is because his other back is off week 7 like Gore

 

[Traders2001]

Lets put it that way.

I would not trade Parker for Bell or for Barber ( Dynasty or redraft )

Parker will score at least 10 td s from here on , that s not counting the 3 he already has.

Barber and Bell wont even come close to that .

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Hmmm. I go

Parker

Bell

Gore

Tiki

The lack of TD's is really putting a hurt on Tiki's value. Plus Jacobs has a much bigger role this season.

 

[fornov]

OK, I've taken the time to come up with my own "Top 30 Forward" for RB's. Laugh, applaud, boo, whatever suits you. Here goes.

1. Tomlinson

2. L Johnson

3. Portis

4. R Johnson

5. Westbrook

6. Bell

7. Barber

8. Jackson

9. R Brown

10. Alexander

11. Parker

12. McGahee

13. Gore

14. C Taylor

15. K Jones

16. J Jones

17. James

18. Dunn

19. McAllister

20. Bush

21. C Williams

22. F Taylor

23. Green

24. Jordan

25. Foster

26. T Jones

27. Lewis

28. Maroney

29. Droughns

30. Dillon

Who knows. I'm sure many of you could do better.

 

[fornov]

Oh, crap. I hope that doesn't go against policy regarding pay site info. It's my own top 30, so I wouldn't think it does. Obviously a lot of the top players are similar to the pay site, but those are the easy ones. If this shouldn't be here, please say so and I'll delete.

 

[wilked]

Hmmm. I goParkerBellGoreTikiThe lack of TD's is really putting a hurt on Tiki's value. Plus Jacobs has a much bigger role this season.

RIIIGHT, Jacobs' 6 touches per game is really showing his bigger role this season Tiki is top 10 without TDs...if you think this is the norm as opposed to an anomaly you are crazy. Top 25 RBs score once every 25-50 touches. Tiki is nearing the 100 touches mark without a TD yet, this is a statistical anomaly that will correct itself soon. The Giants have had 7 plays inside of the 10 yd line this season (2nd least, only Oakland has had fewer, with 6). The Rams have had 37. This is CRAZY, for a team that has scored 25 PPG, 5th most in NFL. This will even out over the rest of the season.

 

[SSOG]

Oh, crap. I hope that doesn't go against policy regarding pay site info. It's my own top 30, so I wouldn't think it does. Obviously a lot of the top players are similar to the pay site, but those are the easy ones. If this shouldn't be here, please say so and I'll delete.

Footballguys has no policy against thinking for yourself, nor does it have a policy against reaching similar conclusions to the ones that they reach.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Hmmm. I goParkerBellGoreTikiThe lack of TD's is really putting a hurt on Tiki's value. Plus Jacobs has a much bigger role this season.

RIIIGHT, Jacobs' 6 touches per game is really showing his bigger role this season Tiki is top 10 without TDs...if you think this is the norm as opposed to an anomaly you are crazy. Top 25 RBs score once every 25-50 touches. Tiki is nearing the 100 touches mark without a TD yet, this is a statistical anomaly that will correct itself soon. The Giants have had 7 plays inside of the 10 yd line this season (2nd least, only Oakland has had fewer, with 6). The Rams have had 37. This is CRAZY, for a team that has scored 25 PPG, 5th most in NFL. This will even out over the rest of the season.

Jacobs had 38 touches all last season. He already has 26 this season and were only in game 4. Pace that out and his role has GREATLY increase, almost 4 times what it was last season.Tiki has been overused the past 2 seasons. He's getting older and his yards per touch are down significantly this season compared to his last two. He's also touching the ball less. I think last year, with all those long TD's, was the anomaly. If you don't get the rock inside the 5 yard line, I can't predict more than 7 TD's over a season. In fact, I remember the season in 2003 where Tiki only scored 3 times because he wasn't the goal line back.BTW, Tiki is not top 10 in my very standard (1/10 yards, 6 pts TD -2 for fumbles lost) league in PPG, he is #13, behind guys like Gore and Parker. Bell is younger, getting the rock inside the 5 yard line and has a better yards per carry, so I think he'll pass up Tiki.

 

[One]

No offense to you Bell Backers, but Bell isn't close to as talented as Portis is. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him 3 season to become the starter.

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding..... you are correct.

 

[cybergourmet]

It's reallly hard to rank on perception and actual value (especailly since it's ALL perception)... so you can say in each case that one is more or less valuable than perception: ie. Edgerrin/S.Alexander/R.Brown--- all are less valuable than most people think...

SO:

Barber ---perceived outweighs actual

Bell ---actual outweighs perceived

Parker ---actual outweighs perceived

Gore ---actual value outweigs perceived value

Barber and Gore are the top two in this group followed by Parker and then Bell.

 

[squidrope]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

 

[Texican]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

Not without reason.

 

[SSOG]

No offense to you Bell Backers, but Bell isn't close to as talented as Portis is. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him 3 season to become the starter.

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding..... you are correct.

Is he close to as talented as Olandis Gary, though? Because I could probably live with 110 total yards and .58 TDs (14.5 fantasy points) per game.How about Mike Anderson? Is Bell as talented as Mike Anderson? Because I might be able to bring myself to swallow 135 total yards and 1.25 TDs (21 fantasy points) per game.

What about Reuben Droughns? Because I might be a little bit disappointed, but I suppose I'd be alright with 118 total yards and .67 TDs (15.8 fantasy points) per game.

Tatum Bell doesn't have to be as talented as Clinton Portis to be a fantasy stud. He only has to be as talented as Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, or Olandis Gary.

 

[LivingTheDream]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

And I wouldn't take fantasy advice from a guy who starts Isaac Bruce and Wes Welker.

 

[squidrope]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

And I wouldn't take fantasy advice from a guy who starts Isaac Bruce and Wes Welker.

Drivers(bye) and roster space is limited to 14. What's your team look like?

 

[SSOG]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

And I wouldn't take fantasy advice from a guy who starts Isaac Bruce and Wes Welker.

I wouldn't pay attention to someone who discounts a team starting Welker without first learning the scoring rules. In leagues that reward return yardage, Welker's a no-brainer top-10 play.

 

[LivingTheDream]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

And I wouldn't take fantasy advice from a guy who starts Isaac Bruce and Wes Welker.

Drivers(bye) and roster space is limited to 14. What's your team look like?

I'm just messing with you. My Wrs look better on paper but don't produce: TO and Wayne.

 

[CrossEyed]

Fast Willie Parker is tops on this list. I mean, come on, he's Fast Willie Parker!

 

[SSOG]

Fast Willie Parker is tops on this list. I mean, come on, he's Fast Willie Parker!

Samkon Gado totally needs a ridiculous nickname like "Unstoppable Samkon Gado" just for discussions like these. "I'll trade you the Unstoppable Samkon Gado for Clinton Portis! Come on, he's the UNSTOPPABLE Samkon Gado!"

 

[shredhead]

OK, I've taken the time to come up with my own "Top 30 Forward" for RB's. Laugh, applaud, boo, whatever suits you. Here goes.1. Tomlinson2. L Johnson3. Portis4. R Johnson5. Westbrook6. Bell7. Barber8. Jackson9. R Brown10. Alexander11. Parker12. McGahee13. Gore14. C Taylor15. K Jones16. J Jones17. James18. Dunn19. McAllister20. Bush21. C Williams22. F Taylor23. Green24. Jordan25. Foster26. T Jones27. Lewis28. Maroney29. Droughns30. DillonWho knows. I'm sure many of you could do better.

Actually, I really like your list. I think Maroney, Jones, Foster should be a little higher and Green and Jordan lower but thats just being a little nit picky with the lowere tiered guys. Good list.

 

[thecardiackid]

Lets put it that way.I would not trade Parker for Bell or for Barber ( Dynasty or redraft )Parker will score at least 10 td s from here on , that s not counting the 3 he already has.Barber and Bell wont even come close to that .

 

[Garts]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

wow.Talk to you in 6 weeks when Bell leads the AFC in rushing.

 

[squidrope]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

wow.Talk to you in 6 weeks when Bell leads the AFC in rushing.

Perhaps I should clarify. I've been burned too many times by Denvers interchangable RB's. That's why I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for Bell. Yes he's talented. Yes he has tons of potential. I'm just not willing to get on that train. Tooot Toooot

 

[SSOG]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

wow.Talk to you in 6 weeks when Bell leads the AFC in rushing.

Ummm... Bell *already* leads the AFC in rushing- at least in yards per game. The only player who is averaging more ypg than Bell is Julius Jones, who has 1 more yard through 4 weeks... but he's in the NFC.

 

[Garts]

IMO Bell? He's the starter at this moment but history shows that could change tomorrow. I wouldn't trade any of the other 3 for him.

wow.Talk to you in 6 weeks when Bell leads the AFC in rushing.

Ummm... Bell *already* leads the AFC in rushing- at least in yards per game. The only player who is averaging more ypg than Bell is Julius Jones, who has 1 more yard through 4 weeks... but he's in the NFC.

Umm, and he will in 6 weeks too

 

[Bobcat10]

Why do you ask?