Peter King ... aka "Mr. Pats Superfan #1" (1 Viewer)

[burd]

Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to bash PK .... i think he's the best NFL sportswriter in the game eventhough he's an unapoligetic Pats fan and devouts a good chunk of his weekly article to all things Pats.

anyway, i thought it was very odd that a guy who loves writing about the Pats hardly mentions the new revelations that his beloved Pats possibly cheated their way to their first Superbowl victory by videotaping the Rams run through the red-zone plays.

I understand that at this point, there is no proof that the Pats did cheat in their first SB. But I can't help to draw the comparison between this story and the whole Vick dog-fighting story. PK and everyother writer didn't have any qualms about speculating Vick's guilt or innocence in their articles before the evidence was disclosed to the public. The Vick speculation stories carried on for months.

But when it comes to a story that questions the integrity of football's biggest, most important game ... PK has hardly anything to say? If it's true that the Pats did videotape the Rams run through their red-zone plays that they were going to use in the SB, and the Pats have been videotaping their regualr season opponents the past few seasons until they were caught, then its highly probable that the Pats videotaped their other Superbowl opponents.

Bottom line .... 3 very questionable championships, yet PK doesn't think this is newsworthy??

 

[Rounders]

Didn't he pick the Giants over the Pats?

 

[radiohead417]

Because so few are talking about the ramifications of this, it makes me wonder about the power of the NFL on this, hushing people up. It's just like how Rodney Harrison and HGH wasn't that huge of a story, but any baseball player on HGH blows up.

 

[burd]

Because so few are talking about the ramifications of this, it makes me wonder about the power of the NFL on this, hushing people up. It's just like how Rodney Harrison and HGH wasn't that huge of a story, but any baseball player on HGH blows up.

yeah, and the league has been selling the Pats to the public as the poster-child of a classy, unselfish organization that all the other teams aspire to be, so im sure the fact that this story involves the Pats is even more embarrassing to the league.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Personally, I just think people are tired of hearing about the Spygate stuff.

We've heard about it all season long, that's enough for me unless there's some proof.

So, if we end up finding some more proof about these past SB's, then my stance would be let's talk about the proof and what should be done.

But if King is thinkng along the lines as I am.... it's a tired topic. The speculation is old and until we get some proof on the table, I'm kind of bored talking about it.

 

[Shrek]

He became unreadable a long, long time ago.

 

[SR388]

I was thinking the exact same thing about he being a bandwagon fan.

 

[Jason Wood]

PK is plugged in, but I think he's always played to the party line. Not saying that's wrong (it's what puts him in position to make $$$$ doing something he loves) but you're not going to read too many scathing editorials from the guy; at least controversial ones. He'll take pot shots at easy targets like Vick, for example, but he isn't usually one to rock the boat.

 

[Chaka]

Walk through.

 

[Fiddles]

pk talked about it in his column yesterday: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...5/giants/1.html

NOAH MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT ARLEN SPECTER. From Noah Charles, of Philadelphia: "A few days ago you criticized Arlen Specter for getting involved in Spygate, suggesting it's not any of Congress' business. While I agree with you that Specter's comparison of the NFL's tape destruction to the CIA's tape destruction was ridiculous political hyperbole, I think you are missing the larger point:

"The NFL has a congressional antitrust exemption. That makes the NFL's business Congress' business. The antitrust exemption imposes on the NFL a sort of public trust. If teams [as opposed to individual players] are engaged in organized cheating and the league itself is doing nothing about it, it calls the credibility of the entire sport into question. The NFL is big business, and the Super Bowl is the biggest cultural event of the year. If the Pats cheated in 2002, and the league knows or willfully chooses not to know, then Congress might be protecting a tainted product from competition. In that case, it's more like professional wrestling than sports.

"While I have no interest in seeing the NFL fail, I agree with Sen. Specter that the league's destruction of the evidence is highly suspicious, and was handled in a way that does not provide the viewing, paying public with confidence that what we are watching on the field is the product of two teams matching skills and wits on a level playing field. If the league cannot guarantee to the public the integrity of the product, then Congress is justified in re-thinking the antitrust exemption. Anyway, that's just my two cents. Unfortunately I think we'll be hearing a lot more about this.''

Noah, you make a terrific point. When I wrote what I wrote, I did not know (other than unsubstantiated rumors) anything other than the fact that the NFL had unearthed a limited number of tapes -- six, as it turned out -- and the fact that Roger Goodell was firm in his belief that Super Bowls were not involved. Once the Matt Walsh allegations began pouring in Saturday, I then believed a further investigation was not only necessary, but also in the best interest of Congress to undertake.

I think in a case like this, a grandstander such as Specter hurts his cause by comparing the NFL's investigation into cheating with CIA monkey business. But now I hope he calls Walsh to testify, and I hope Walsh spills his guts about everything he knows of the Patriots' taping practices.

One more thing: On three occasions last week at the Super Bowl, I ran into Pats' fans ticked at me for fanning the flames of Spygate (one man's words) and refusing to let it die. If that means I think we're owed more of a public airing of the case than we got, then I'm guilty.

I still believe Bill Belichick's post-sanction statement about not knowing he was breaking a rule was haughtily disingenuous if not a falsehood, and for that to be the only discussion of the biggest penalty ever imposed on a coach in NFL history is unfair to the people who trust that every NFL game is being contested by the same rules for both sides.

 

[burd]

Walk through.

During this walkthrough, it was reported by ESPN that the Rams were walking through the red-zone plays they were going to use against the Pats. You don't think Belichick would find this information very useful and would have an advantage in knowing what plays the Rams would run in the redzone?watch the replay ... the Rams record-setting offense was stymied bythe Pats defense until later in the game when the Rams went into a hurry-up offense and Belichick couldn't get his substitutes into the game.

 

[PMENFAN]

Walk through.

During this walkthrough, it was reported by ESPN that the Rams were walking through the red-zone plays they were going to use against the Pats. You don't think Belichick would find this information very useful and would have an advantage in knowing what plays the Rams would run in the redzone?watch the replay ... the Rams record-setting offense was stymied bythe Pats defense until later in the game when the Rams went into a hurry-up offense and Belichick couldn't get his substitutes into the game.

So, the Rams were running their red zone offense the rest of the game? It's the day before the game. Do you honestly think a team, with no practices remaining, could evaluate their scheme, and encompass a way to stop it into their game plan? Pretty crazy, if you ask me. IIRC, the Rams scored when they got to the red zone. The way the Pats stopped the Rams is the same way the Giants played the Pats. Lots of physicality. Check w/ Ike Bruce if it was the Red Zone D that stopped them.

 

[Chaka]

Walk through.

During this walkthrough, it was reported by ESPN that the Rams were walking through the red-zone plays they were going to use against the Pats. You don't think Belichick would find this information very useful and would have an advantage in knowing what plays the Rams would run in the redzone?watch the replay ... the Rams record-setting offense was stymied bythe Pats defense until later in the game when the Rams went into a hurry-up offense and Belichick couldn't get his substitutes into the game.

I am just pointing out that the term is "walk through" not "run through".It should probably be hyphenated too.

 

[Road Warriors]

Because so few are talking about the ramifications of this, it makes me wonder about the power of the NFL on this, hushing people up. It's just like how Rodney Harrison and HGH wasn't that huge of a story, but any baseball player on HGH blows up.

Cmon, get over your patriots issues. Harrison is one of a whole bunch of NFL players that have been suspended over HGH and steroids, and they all get the same level of scrutiny. The NFL, as an organization, has an image in the public eye of dealing with these issues swiftly, so the public outcry over any individual found using is negligible. Baseball as an organization has swept the problem under the rug, only beginning to deal with it under pressure from Congress. It's an apples & oranges issue, and to call out Harrison specifically here ( wasn't he in a group with some others? ) screams of a anti-Patriots slant.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Walk through.

During this walkthrough, it was reported by ESPN that the Rams were walking through the red-zone plays they were going to use against the Pats. You don't think Belichick would find this information very useful and would have an advantage in knowing what plays the Rams would run in the redzone?watch the replay ... the Rams record-setting offense was stymied bythe Pats defense until later in the game when the Rams went into a hurry-up offense and Belichick couldn't get his substitutes into the game.

So, the Rams were running their red zone offense the rest of the game? It's the day before the game. Do you honestly think a team, with no practices remaining, could evaluate their scheme, and encompass a way to stop it into their game plan? Pretty crazy, if you ask me. IIRC, the Rams scored when they got to the red zone. The way the Pats stopped the Rams is the same way the Giants played the Pats. Lots of physicality. Check w/ Ike Bruce if it was the Red Zone D that stopped them.

I think Andy Reid would have appreciated 24 hrs. notice that Bellichick was going to have Willie McGinest put his hand on the ground in a base 4-3 in superbowl 39 after having played a 3-4 base all season. I would expect Hank Fraley probably would have appreciated even a few minutes notice before he looked up and saw two 3-technique DT's with Bruschi and Vrabel playing the A gaps at the line of scrimmage on the opening play. I also think Jim Kelly could have used advance notice that Bellichick was going to abandon his 3-4 for a two man front with 6 db's as a base defense to stop the K-gun in the Giants - Bills superbowl in the early 90's.

 

[radiohead417]

My Harrison issue isn't a Pats issue, it's an NFL issue. Merriman certainly got some play, but Harrison just got glossed over it seemed like. Why wasn't it a big deal that a 30-something year old safety has a terrible injury, and comes back so quickly? I just feel like the NFL guys get to say "Whoops, my bad" and it's over. But it's definitely not that was in baseball. Believe me, Bonds and McGwire deserve the flak they got (and are getting). I'm just very surprised how the NFL has managed to dodge this PR bullet as well as it has.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to bash PK .... i think he's the best NFL sportswriter in the game eventhough he's an unapoligetic Pats fan and devouts a good chunk of his weekly article to all things Pats.

anyway, i thought it was very odd that a guy who loves writing about the Pats hardly mentions the new revelations that his beloved Pats possibly cheated their way to their first Superbowl victory by videotaping the Rams run through the red-zone plays.

I understand that at this point, there is no proof that the Pats did cheat in their first SB. But I can't help to draw the comparison between this story and the whole Vick dog-fighting story. PK and everyother writer didn't have any qualms about speculating Vick's guilt or innocence in their articles before the evidence was disclosed to the public. The Vick speculation stories carried on for months.

But when it comes to a story that questions the integrity of football's biggest, most important game ... PK has hardly anything to say? If it's true that the Pats did videotape the Rams run through their red-zone plays that they were going to use in the SB, and the Pats have been videotaping their regualr season opponents the past few seasons until they were caught, then its highly probable that the Pats videotaped their other Superbowl opponents.

Bottom line .... 3 very questionable championships, yet PK doesn't think this is newsworthy??

The Rams were running the Panthers' and Eagles' plays during their practice, giving New England information to be used in all their Super Bowls? I don't think you can discount all their titles. I'm not a Patriots fan and I'm happy they lost last week, but I don't really get hung up about this taping stuff. Some fans think these teams are pristine bastions of ethics. All 32 of them do what they can to win.

 

[Road Warriors]

My Harrison issue isn't a Pats issue, it's an NFL issue. Merriman certainly got some play, but Harrison just got glossed over it seemed like. Why wasn't it a big deal that a 30-something year old safety has a terrible injury, and comes back so quickly? I just feel like the NFL guys get to say "Whoops, my bad" and it's over. But it's definitely not that was in baseball. Believe me, Bonds and McGwire deserve the flak they got (and are getting). I'm just very surprised how the NFL has managed to dodge this PR bullet as well as it has.

Fair enough. My take on it...The NFL put in a drug policy, including steroid use, shortly after the problem came to public light, on their own terms. The policy actually has some teeth, too. I think public perception of the NFL and steroid use is that they acknowledged the problem and addressed it. That gets the NFL a pass from heavy public scrutiny regarding steroids.Compare that to baseball, who by all accounts knew about steroids for years and both publicly ignored it while allegedly privately silently encouraging it. They took advantage of the steroid era to earn back the fanbase from a work stoppage, and continued to claim ignorance until the proof was right under their nose. Add to that an absolute joke of a penalty system for using and you have a public perception that this is not being dealt with.

 

[burd]

Don't get me wrong, Im not trying to bash PK .... i think he's the best NFL sportswriter in the game eventhough he's an unapoligetic Pats fan and devouts a good chunk of his weekly article to all things Pats.

anyway, i thought it was very odd that a guy who loves writing about the Pats hardly mentions the new revelations that his beloved Pats possibly cheated their way to their first Superbowl victory by videotaping the Rams run through the red-zone plays.

I understand that at this point, there is no proof that the Pats did cheat in their first SB. But I can't help to draw the comparison between this story and the whole Vick dog-fighting story. PK and everyother writer didn't have any qualms about speculating Vick's guilt or innocence in their articles before the evidence was disclosed to the public. The Vick speculation stories carried on for months.

But when it comes to a story that questions the integrity of football's biggest, most important game ... PK has hardly anything to say? If it's true that the Pats did videotape the Rams run through their red-zone plays that they were going to use in the SB, and the Pats have been videotaping their regualr season opponents the past few seasons until they were caught, then its highly probable that the Pats videotaped their other Superbowl opponents.

Bottom line .... 3 very questionable championships, yet PK doesn't think this is newsworthy??

The Rams were running the Panthers' and Eagles' plays during their practice, giving New England information to be used in all their Super Bowls? I don't think you can discount all their titles. I'm not a Patriots fan and I'm happy they lost last week, but I don't really get hung up about this taping stuff. Some fans think these teams are pristine bastions of ethics. All 32 of them do what they can to win.

so what .... they videotaped the Rams to get an advantage as to what plays the Rams were using and to recognize plays based on how the Rams are lined up, do the same thing during the regular season, but NOT do it to win their other two Superbowls if given the chance?

 

[houndirish]

As was already mentioned ... Fatty McButterpants long ago stopped being a journalist and seemingly took on a "I'm going to narrate my life and tell you mundane details as opposed to writing insightful journalism" persona.

The coffee and daughter references are stale. The manlove for Brady is old. But the thing that really gets me about King is he seemingly no longer has any regard for accuracy. Worse yet, his employers give him a pass when it comes to proofing his stories. I'm amazed at how often King makes blatantly wrong statements, not opinions, but isn't taken to task. There was a time the guy was a responsible journalist but it seems like once he built a reputation he was then allowed to go Colonel Kurtz without anyone there to rein him in.

 

[radiohead417]

My Harrison issue isn't a Pats issue, it's an NFL issue. Merriman certainly got some play, but Harrison just got glossed over it seemed like. Why wasn't it a big deal that a 30-something year old safety has a terrible injury, and comes back so quickly? I just feel like the NFL guys get to say "Whoops, my bad" and it's over. But it's definitely not that was in baseball. Believe me, Bonds and McGwire deserve the flak they got (and are getting). I'm just very surprised how the NFL has managed to dodge this PR bullet as well as it has.

Fair enough. My take on it...The NFL put in a drug policy, including steroid use, shortly after the problem came to public light, on their own terms. The policy actually has some teeth, too. I think public perception of the NFL and steroid use is that they acknowledged the problem and addressed it. That gets the NFL a pass from heavy public scrutiny regarding steroids.Compare that to baseball, who by all accounts knew about steroids for years and both publicly ignored it while allegedly privately silently encouraging it. They took advantage of the steroid era to earn back the fanbase from a work stoppage, and continued to claim ignorance until the proof was right under their nose. Add to that an absolute joke of a penalty system for using and you have a public perception that this is not being dealt with.

I appreciate your POV too, but let's not forget the NFL has nothing on HGH to test yet.