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Peyton Manning smear campaign (1 Viewer)

So let me get this straight. The original complaint made by this woman in 1996 was that he exposed himself... she was “working on (his) foot” when she “heard laughter and looked up to see his exposed rear end.” -- Manning admitted to this. There was a settlement.

Then, in 2003, after Manning has been in the NFL for 7 year a new claim is made that he "set his rectum and genitals on her head." This was never mentioned previously. 

This setting of his rectum and genitals on her head is part of a 74-page court document filed by Jamie Naughright's attorney in 2003 and now it's being reported as the gospel by a fake black guy?

Am I missing anything?
The part where this went to trial and was settled to the plaintiffs satisfaction 13 years ago.

The only reason this is in the news now is King (A) doesn't remember it being a thing and (B) apparently doesn't think it was possible for news to spread before Twitter/Facebook.

 
moleculo said:
The part where this went to trial and was settled to the plaintiffs satisfaction 13 years ago.

The only reason this is in the news now is King (A) doesn't remember it being a thing and (B) apparently doesn't think it was possible for news to spread before Twitter/Facebook.
The reason it's news now is IMO a) there is a new lawsuit now and b) for whatever reason it has hit a nerve and you're right about c) the King story.

It's not the same thing because what Peyton did isn't as bad.  But the Cosby stuff didn't become big news for years.  Because nobody really cared what he was doing.  Sometimes we don't care when our heroes do bad things.  And I think exposing yourself to a woman is a bad thing (as far as I can tell everyone who was there said it was more than a mooning).

 
The reason it's news now is IMO a) there is a new lawsuit now and b) for whatever reason it has hit a nerve and you're right about c) the King story.

It's not the same thing because what Peyton did isn't as bad.  But the Cosby stuff didn't become big news for years.  Because nobody really cared what he was doing.  Sometimes we don't care when our heroes do bad things.  And I think exposing yourself to a woman is a bad thing (as far as I can tell everyone who was there said it was more than a mooning).
it should be pointed out that manning isn't a party of the lawsuit.  The lawsuit has to do with U of Tenn; the Manning issue was cited in the suit as an example where the University failed.

Personally, I think it hit a nerve because we seem to be more sensitive about things than we were years ago.  This is the era of sexual harassment awareness, explicit sexual consent, bullying awareness, etc.  Things that seem just terrible and probably illegal when viewed through the 2016 lens appeared simply poor taste in 1996.  I mentioned this in the S'Pool thread - there was a lot worse stuff than what Manning did in 1996 all over the country.  I was not a party to it, but I've heard much worse things happening at my school around that time-frame, and my school was small time, DIII athletics.

 
it should be pointed out that manning isn't a party of the lawsuit.  The lawsuit has to do with U of Tenn; the Manning issue was cited in the suit as an example where the University failed.

Personally, I think it hit a nerve because we seem to be more sensitive about things than we were years ago.  This is the era of sexual harassment awareness, explicit sexual consent, bullying awareness, etc.  Things that seem just terrible and probably illegal when viewed through the 2016 lens appeared simply poor taste in 1996.  I mentioned this in the S'Pool thread - there was a lot worse stuff than what Manning did in 1996 all over the country.  I was not a party to it, but I've heard much worse things happening at my school around that time-frame, and my school was small time, DIII athletics.
He wasn't a party to the lawsuit but was mentioned in the lawsuit.  That's what brought the story back to the news that's what caused King to write about it.  That was my only point.

I think it was more than just poor taste but I am looking through a 2016 lens, I think the actions after the fact were worse although those are mostly on Archie.  Causing the woman to lose her job and career is more than she deserved for claiming sexual harassment against Peyton.

 
The reason it's news now is IMO a) there is a new lawsuit now and b) for whatever reason it has hit a nerve and you're right about c) the King story.

It's not the same thing because what Peyton did isn't as bad.  But the Cosby stuff didn't become big news for years.  Because nobody really cared what he was doing.  Sometimes we don't care when our heroes do bad things.  And I think exposing yourself to a woman is a bad thing (as far as I can tell everyone who was there said it was more than a mooning).
The reason it's news now is because of all the new salacious allegations that were not a part of the original complaint. As far as you can tell???? WTF, you're basing your entire opinion on an attorney attempting to extort money via his litigious client. 

What do you think is a more likely scenario... That Naughright was telling the truth in 1996, that it was a 'mooning,' and that Manning admitted to and settled for a few hundred thousand? Or that she simply forgot that he actually rubbed his rectum on her face and remembered in 2003 after Manning was a superstar and attempted to go after him again?

Has it occurred to you that maybe this litigious woman made some stuff up? 

 
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The reason it's news now is because of all the new salacious allegations that were not a part of the original complaint. As far as you can tell???? WTF, you're basing your entire opinion on an attorney attempting to extort money via his litigious client. 

What do you think is a more likely scenario... That Naughright was telling the truth in 1996, that it was a 'mooning,' and that Manning admitted to and settled for a few hundred thousand? Or that she simply forgot that he actually rubbed his rectum on her face and remembered in 2003 after Manning was a superstar and attempted to go after him again?

Has it occurred to you that maybe this litigious woman made some stuff up? 
Except the player who was asked to corroborate the "mooning" says it happened just like she said it did.

 
The reason it's news now is because of all the new salacious allegations that were not a part of the original complaint. As far as you can tell???? WTF, you're basing your entire opinion on an attorney attempting to extort money via his litigious client. 

What do you think is a more likely scenario... That Naughright was telling the truth in 1996, that it was a 'mooning,' and that Manning admitted to and settled for a few hundred thousand? Or that she simply forgot that he actually rubbed his rectum on her face and remembered in 2003 after Manning was a superstar and attempted to go after him again?

Has it occurred to you that maybe this litigious woman made some stuff up? 
As far as I can tell there were 3 people in the room.  Peyton, Nauhright and the track guy.  Naughright and the track guy both said it was more than just a mooning.

I said as far as I can find because I didn't see anything where anyone who was present said it was just a mooning.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I can't find it.

If you have anything said by someone who was there that it was just a mooning I'd be interested in reading it.  Because there might be something else.  But based on what I've read the 2 people in the room disagreed with what you think happened.  And I'm not sure even Peyton ever said it was a mooning.  I think the only person who said it was a mooning was the Tennessee athletic director who wasn't there.  But he would have as much reason to lie as Naughright IMO.

 
The reason it's news now is because of all the new salacious allegations that were not a part of the original complaint. As far as you can tell???? WTF, you're basing your entire opinion on an attorney attempting to extort money via his litigious client. 

What do you think is a more likely scenario... That Naughright was telling the truth in 1996, that it was a 'mooning,' and that Manning admitted to and settled for a few hundred thousand? Or that she simply forgot that he actually rubbed his rectum on her face and remembered in 2003 after Manning was a superstar and attempted to go after him again?

Has it occurred to you that maybe this litigious woman made some stuff up? 
Oh and did Naughright ever say it was just a mooning?  Do you have something written where she said that?  I would agree with your scenario if that's the case, but again I can't find it.  But I could have missed it.

 
Oh and did Naughright ever say it was just a mooning?  Do you have something written where she said that?  I would agree with your scenario if that's the case, but again I can't find it.  But I could have missed it.
The original 1996 complaint.

I don't think it was "just" a mooning, but there are other things that don't involve contact.  Maybe he farted in her face.

 
This is what I can't visualize or make sense out of.  Was she passed out? If a man Twice my size would drop his drawers and attempt to sit on my face, I'm not going to be kneeling there holding still for him. Even if he was way stronger than me, he couldn't stop me from at least turning my head to the side.  There just isn't any way imaginable that he dropped his shorts and was able to drag his D, his nuts, and his butt hole over her face. Nor could I ever in a million years ever imagine him trying that.  What makes sense is that he tried putting his junk in her face and maybe even made brief contact.  Unless he also drugged her, not much more could have happened. Her story keeps changing to try to make it sound worse and worse. She's made a career out of this three second event.

 
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The original 1996 complaint.

I don't think it was "just" a mooning, but there are other things that don't involve contact.  Maybe he farted in her face.
Oh I'm of the opinion it probably didn't involve contact.  I just think there is a middle ground between just a mooning and teabagging her.  And I'd think he fell somewhere in that middle ground.  Especially since the one witness not suing or being sued said that it was more than a mooning.  And I think looking at it through the 2016 lens what he did was worse than just a prank.  That's just my opinion of course.

 
The original 1996 complaint.

I don't think it was "just" a mooning, but there are other things that don't involve contact.  Maybe he farted in her face.
How would that be offensive when his farts smell like honeysuckle blossoms and the gas has an effect like nitrous oxide mixed with crack cocaine smoke?  

 
The original 1996 complaint.

I don't think it was "just" a mooning, but there are other things that don't involve contact.  Maybe he farted in her face.
Do you have the original complaint.  Best I can find is this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/19/making-sense-of-the-original-defamation-complaint-against-peyton-manning/

Here she said it was more than a mooning.  But that's the pro football talk synopsis of the 1996 complaint.  And if the complaint says differently then pro football talk is wrong.

 
Do you have the original complaint.  Best I can find is this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/19/making-sense-of-the-original-defamation-complaint-against-peyton-manning/

Here she said it was more than a mooning.  But that's the pro football talk synopsis of the 1996 complaint.  And if the complaint says differently then pro football talk is wrong.
I don't think the '96 complaint said "just" a mooning, but it makes no mention of contact.

 
As far as I can tell there were 3 people in the room.  Peyton, Nauhright and the track guy.  Naughright and the track guy both said it was more than just a mooning.

I said as far as I can find because I didn't see anything where anyone who was present said it was just a mooning.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I can't find it.

If you have anything said by someone who was there that it was just a mooning I'd be interested in reading it.  Because there might be something else.  But based on what I've read the 2 people in the room disagreed with what you think happened.  And I'm not sure even Peyton ever said it was a mooning.  I think the only person who said it was a mooning was the Tennessee athletic director who wasn't there.  But he would have as much reason to lie as Naughright IMO.
All you've read is what Naughright and her attorney have put out there... Doesn't it strike your as odd that the resting of genitals and rectum on her face wasn't included in the original complaint? Does't the idea that someone could maneuver their body in a  way to rest their genitals and rectum on another persons face against their will seem slightly implausible?

Doesn't that fact that this highly litigious woman tried to sue Donna Karan make you think maybe just maybe Manning deserves the innocent until proven guilty treatment... and that maybe we should look at little more closely at his accuser rather than smear the reputation of a guy who by many account is a very decent person?

 
Finally got a chance to talk briefly to a friend who was on another coaching staff at UT at the time of this incident.  Nothing crazy and obviously he's biased, but he was questioned by legal at them time for what he knew about Whited.

He noted that Whited was married at the time, but slept with so many athletes that the Lady Vols kicked her out.  She threatened UT enough not to fire her, but had to be moved to the men's staff.  Not sure if that has come out of this story.

 
To me it doesn't seem implausible to sit on someone's head and have my beans'n'frank make contact with their face.

But your "mileage" may vary.

 
Finally got a chance to talk briefly to a friend who was on another coaching staff at UT at the time of this incident.  Nothing crazy and obviously he's biased, but he was questioned by legal at them time for what he knew about Whited.

He noted that Whited was married at the time, but slept with so many athletes that the Lady Vols kicked her out.  She threatened UT enough not to fire her, but had to be moved to the men's staff.  Not sure if that has come out of this story.
Ah, the old she was a whore so I'm sure she liked it defense.

 
Ah, the old she was a whore so I'm sure she liked it defense.
In fairness, it has been represented that Peyton and Archie fabricated this in their deposition.  So some sense of corroboration, however tangential, is potentially important as is the notion she may have herself been a harasser if she exploited her role as a paid adviser to students and did in fact sleep with them. 

 
The minute he wrote his book, throwing her under the bus, he lost all sympathy.  Love that this is a story.  He and his dad the puppetmaster have been a little slow on the statement front.  Weird, he was out in front quick on the HGH thing.  

 
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The minute he wrote his book, throwing her under the bus, he lost all sympathy.  Love that this is a story.  He and his dad the puppetmaster have been a little slow on the statement front.  Weird, he was out in front quick on the HGH thing.  
As far as not getting in front of it now - he's already had his hand slapped twice for talking about it - what do you expect him to do?

 
The Washington Post is reporting that there was a 1994 incident between the two parties that started all of this as she accused Peyton of cheating in a class.

 
Except the player who was asked to corroborate the "mooning" says it happened just like she said it did.
Is this true?  All I can find is where the prosecution's version of the facts of the case refers to Malcolm Saxon's affidavit, saying it "clearly refutes Peyton Manning's version of the incident."  (It doesn't quote any of the affidavit, but only refers to the exhibit. Has anyone seen the affidavit itself somewhere online?)  This could mean that it backs up the trainer's story, and I'm sure that's what the prosecutors would like one to take away from it.  But you would think that if that were the case, they would say that it agreed with her story rather than just refuting Manning's story.  So it could simply mean that Saxon said he mooned or otherwise exposed himself to her and he knew it really wasn't meant for him as Manning claimed.  Even the letter from Saxon to Manning only really says Manning dropped his drawers.

 

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