Peyton Manning smear campaign (1 Viewer)

[Kanil]

My favorite part, is that the Mannings attempts at hurting her image heavily involved making up stories about her being involved with black people. 

That's right, they think so little of black people that they seem to think it is offensive and damning to be associated, romantically, with one. Nice. 

Peyton Manning: Liar, Sexual Assaulter, Defamer, HGH user, Racist

Anything else?

GOAT QB.

 

[Pipes]

Nobody cares about Ben or Kobe after what they supposedly did, much more recent than 20+ years ago.  They won more titles for their teams and people are either happy or meh about it anymore because Ben and Kobe are not "Beacons of light." 

Ben and Kobe also didn't break a settlement agreement with the victim by slandering the victim in a book.  They let it go which the Manning family should have done as well.

 

[Jeremy]

After reading the title I assumed "smear campaign" was in reference to the one Manning and Co ran against the victim after she had the audacity to report sexual assault/harassment.  I should have known better. 

And we wonder how a Bill Cosby can rape dozens of women without any of them saying a word. 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I wonder if manning would think it's a prank if someone rubbed their balls on his mothers face, his wife's face or his daughters face. 

That wasn't even the dumbest thing he did. Continuing to taunt and harass her is why it didn't go away. Having his daddy threaten people for him is a chump move just like it was when daddy got involved on draft day for Eli. 

Oh and Clay Travis must dream about having Mannings balls on his face. He's on like day five of nothing but defending the guy and attacking the victim. 

 

[Rove!]

I think most people and media will give Peyton a pass on these stories on nutgate, and hgh.   

Nutrageous stories about his ballsack on someone's face years ago will not get the penetration some want.     

The slandering of this lady is the part of the story that seems the most shameful.  If it is true that Archie tried to have this girl ruined is awful. 

As an aside, maybe he can be the pitchman for Nutella...

 

[Agent 47]

GOAT QB.

The Goat, like the maneuver where you show your ### and #### to someone a la the movie "Waiting"? If so, yes.

If you mean greatest of all time, get your head  checked.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Does it matter that this woman has sued several prominent people and had cases thrown out of court. She seems a bit on the batty side, so why are some people buying everything she says as gospel?

I love this post and it is good for lots of topics and discussions. People give so much credit to entities that shouldn't get credit like Thirty Mile Zone...sorry TMZ. The tabloid journalism that was scoffed at is now treated like credible journalism. 

 

[Higgs]

This isn't someone dredging up a 20 year old prank gone wrong by a teenager.  What gave this story legs was how Peyton acted afterwards - the lying, the strong-arming, the attempts to paint the victim as a black-loving whore, and then his blatant violation of the non-disclosure agreement several years later and his despicable mailing of taunts to the victim that he was going to call her out in his book.  And all of this was "dredged up" recently only because a broader lawsuit was filed against Tennessee in which Peyton was named as someone who contributed to the hostile environment against women.

Peyton has actually gone out of his way to continue reintroducing himself into this story.  He's getting exactly what he deserves.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Yeah, I mean she was totally asking for it too.

I like tuna fish, would you like to buy a vacuum?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So THIS is what "I've been up all night drinking" MOP looks like 

This from a fellow who likes to mix his liquor and firearms.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 The moral of the story kids is don't ever do anything at all juvenile or distasteful in your life if you plan on being a celebrity, especially if you're one that's considered a good guy. If you plan on being an #######, it's fine. We forgive you then, like Kobe or Ben. But if you try to act like a beacon of goodness so help us God (that we may or may not believe in) we will tear down everything you ever held dear and make sure your name is spoken in the same vein as rapists and pedophiles. 

Compared to what Kobe did, Manning did almost nothing. In fact you can probably some up with a list here a mile long of athletes who did far worse but Manning.

And I get the Manning push back, he does try to present himself as s stand up guy. I bet most of the time he is. But like most folks, he likely has another side to him most don't see. 20 year old story, somehow now we need to really talk about it. If other female trainers come forth and say Manning was a db to them, then we might have a better story. But if 20 years in the NFL, I never heard about this until right after the SB. Why wasn't anything said prior? NFL conspiracy to have their golden boy nice n clean? Doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. 

 

[Agent 47]

Compared to what Kobe did, Manning did almost nothing. In fact you can probably some up with a list here a mile long of athletes who did far worse but Manning.

And I get the Manning push back, he does try to present himself as s stand up guy. I bet most of the time he is. But like most folks, he likely has another side to him most don't see. 20 year old story, somehow now we need to really talk about it. If other female trainers come forth and say Manning was a db to them, then we might have a better story. But if 20 years in the NFL, I never heard about this until right after the SB. Why wasn't anything said prior? NFL conspiracy to have their golden boy nice n clean? Doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. 

Totally.

Armenian Genocide? Who cares?!?! The Holocaust was worse.

US Marines killed in Fallujah? Nothing compared to Battle of the Bulge.

You wife/son/daughter was murdered? So what? Someone, somewhere was murdered worse.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It hasn't been 20 years since manning was actively trying to destroy this woman's life. That part damn sure isn't a childish college prank. He made this situation by continuing to go after this woman.  

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think it's brave that MoP would openly defend rape and sexual assault.

Most people find that stuff abhorrent, but some don't. Most of those people like to live in the shadows, and keep their darkness hidden. It's refreshing to see someone so open about their scumbaggery. 

I murder babies, sleep with married woman, and kill people in defenseless positions just for sport. Nothing you can pour forth on that keyboard is going to possibly make me feel bad. The reason is you are a faceless soul on here. Nobody knows anything about you because you keep your stench locked down in the basement, good for you. 

I applaud the effort to try and shame me and then try and act like MOP is blank blank blank...you do it to release some anxiety or tension in your own life, it's the only reason you would troll like that. It's OK, we won't tell anyone. 

I opted to tell a lot of things about situations in my life. I used the board to get an idea what happens when I make certain choices, words, moves and over the last 15 years it has helped me achieve and avoid a lot of things. I only share to try and help others who likely are too afraid out of fear over slime bucket trolls like you. Again and again I show that idiots like you are nothing to fear. 

Good day 

 

[(HULK)]

Here is a pic of one of Peyton's main side pieces from a few years back

I dunno, Germany seems kinda far from Denver.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You need to stop blaming everything (or everyone that has an opinion you don't agree with) on the "liberals", "left", etc. 

Edit to add that I don't know enough to give my opinion yet.

I have folks comparing me to sexual predators and you want to come down on me about Liberalism right now? You really are a Lib!

 

[Smack Tripper]

Racebaiting fake white guy is a dope who never heard these allegations... employs no structural elements of journalism in writing his story.  

Manning does something stupid by his own admission, university settles the incident in 1996 with 300K in cash.  No contact mentioned.

Manning references the incident, but not the woman in a book.   Matter is settled financially.   

Not to minimize the incident but its 20 years old.  He's 39.  It was never pursued as a criminal matter, it has been settled twice as a civil matter, and both parties have agreed to a gag order allowing no further comment.  

Whats the news value of this tale?  Cam's unprofessional conduct warrants comparison?  UT allegations unconnected to this?  

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I dunno, Germany seems kinda far from Denver.

my bad, here she is...Angela Buchman

 

[Parrothead]

didn't recognize her without Peyton's nuts on her forehead

 

[(HULK)]

How sure are we that this story is true?

I'm less than certain, but that doesn't seem to be the popular opinion.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I wonder if manning would think it's a prank if someone rubbed their balls on his mothers face, his wife's face or his daughters face. 

That wasn't even the dumbest thing he did. Continuing to taunt and harass her is why it didn't go away. Having his daddy threaten people for him is a chump move just like it was when daddy got involved on draft day for Eli. 

Oh and Clay Travis must dream about having Mannings balls on his face. He's on like day five of nothing but defending the guy and attacking the victim. 

OK, this is a perfectly legit gripe. I can understnad the POV you might have when looking at it the way you are. My only question is...Does one event override the entire rest of his life? I think the Cosby case has really clouded folks minds about what needs to happen now. In BC's case he seems to have a pattern...not sure I am seeing a pattern with Manning. 

Does anyone think Manning should have served jail time over this? It feels like people actually think manning should not have gotten an opportunity in the NFL. Is that where we are going here?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

How many years should Peyton manning have gone to jail? He is a criminal according to a good chunk of you out there.

5-10 years for teabagging? 

 

[Chaka]

"On Feb. 29 of that year, Naughright, at that point the university's director of health and wellness, was in a training room, examining what she thought might be a possible stress fracture in Manning's foot. At 6 feet, 5 inches, his feet dangled off the edge of the table. Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot. At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked #### and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head."

I'm sure none of you would mind if this was done to your wife or daughter, right?

"When Rollo learned of the complaint, he allegedly concocted a story that Manning actually pulled down his pants to moon another student-athlete, Malcolm Saxon, who was nearby. According to Rollo, after mooning the student, Naughright just happened to move her head right into Manning's pelvic region. Rollo acknowledged under oath that he was the first person to use the word “mooning.” One person, though, could settle all of this: Malcolm Saxon. And, in fact, he did settle it. In an affidavit, Saxon refuted Manning's story and made it clear that Manning never mooned him. In a letter to Manning, Saxon, who stated that he lost his eligibility as a student-athlete over it"

Oh how nice, he ruined another person's life, for daring to tell the truth. I'm sure Malcom Saxon lied about what happened to try and take down the star QB, thereby sabotaging his chance at playing sports for his college.

"Before she left, though, two staff members of the school, according to the documents, asked Naughright if she would consider blaming the entire incident not on Manning, but on another athlete — a black one."

Nice, let's blame it on some black guy. Way to go Peyton!

" On another occasion he allegedly called her a "#####" in front of other athletes after snatching a marker used to label drug-test specimens from her hand and throwing it across the room."

Keeping it classy, Peyton. Let's terrorize and intimidate a woman because she dared call out your bull####. 

" When she arrived at her office, she found a large manilla envelope in a receptacle on her door with the words "Dr. Vulgar Mouth Whited" printed on it (see page 1)... Her supervisor at Florida Southern had already opened the envelope and read what was in it. What Manning said about her ruined her career at Florida Southern and in college athletics once and for all...Polk County Circuit Judge Harvey A. Kornstein...put Peyton Manning, his father, and the others on blast. In his statement, he said:

"Even if the plaintiff is a public figure, the evidence of record contains sufficient evidence to satisfy the court that a genuine issue of material fact exists that would allow a jury to find, by clear and convincing evidence, the existence of actual malice of the part of the defendants. Specifically, there is evidence of record, substantial enough to suggest that the defendants knew that the passages in question were false, or acted in reckless disregard of their falsity. There is evidence of record to suggest that there were obvious reasons to doubt the veracity of Peyton Manning's account of the incident in question. The court further finds that there is sufficient evidence to permit the conclusion that the defendants entertained serious doubts as to the truth of the passages in this case.""

Nice. A Judge read the facts and called Peyton and family a liar. 

" [Peyton] told his father, Archie, "she's kind of trashy," and "had the most vulgar mouth of any girl he'd ever seen" and "was unattractive but had big breasts" and had "been out with a bunch of black guys" and "had a toilet mouth." "

Black guys?!?! A woman with BLACK guys?!?! THE HORROR!\

" Under oath, the ghostwriter, John Underwood revealed that Archie Manning suggested to him that Naughright was going into the dorms and having sex with large numbers of black student athletes."

Ah, that explains a lot. Like father like son.

Everything in the document you quoted was prepared by Naughtright's lawyers.  It is not a court finding it is merely a necessarily one sided and biased filing by her lawyers designed to make the victim look more victimy and the alleged perpetrators look more perpertratory.

Everything in there could be 100% true but we will never know and right now we only have one biased side of the story to go on.

 

[Chaka]

My favorite part, is that the Mannings attempts at hurting her image heavily involved making up stories about her being involved with black people. 

That's right, they think so little of black people that they seem to think it is offensive and damning to be associated, romantically, with one. Nice. 

Peyton Manning: Liar, Sexual Assaulter, Defamer, HGH user, Racist

Anything else?

You make a lot of sweeping judgments based upon incomplete information?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Compared to what Kobe did, Manning did almost nothing. In fact you can probably some up with a list here a mile long of athletes who did far worse but Manning.

And I get the Manning push back, he does try to present himself as s stand up guy. I bet most of the time he is. But like most folks, he likely has another side to him most don't see. 20 year old story, somehow now we need to really talk about it. If other female trainers come forth and say Manning was a db to them, then we might have a better story. But if 20 years in the NFL, I never heard about this until right after the SB. Why wasn't anything said prior? NFL conspiracy to have their golden boy nice n clean? Doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. 

I get that maybe the general public was not aware of the story, but I find it somewhat difficult to believe that a guy who follows football to the extent he is on this board could have missed the story.  Things were said prior.  I knew all about this and I am not a Colt or Bronco fan, nor a Manning detractor.  The underlying story, and Manning's book allegations were known to me.  I think you are misinterpreting this matter to some extent, though not completely.  Taking our heroes down a peg is the new American pass-time, an unseemly one in many ways, but there it is.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

my bad, here she is...Angela Buchman

She's wh9lesome looking.  My impulse, therefore,  is to want to despoil her.  I have issues.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Racebaiting fake white guy is a dope who never heard these allegations... employs no structural elements of journalism in writing his story.  

Manning does something stupid by his own admission, university settles the incident in 1996 with 300K in cash.  No contact mentioned.

Manning references the incident, but not the woman in a book.   Matter is settled financially.   

Not to minimize the incident but its 20 years old.  He's 39.  It was never pursued as a criminal matter, it has been settled twice as a civil matter, and both parties have agreed to a gag order allowing no further comment.  

Whats the news value of this tale?  Cam's unprofessional conduct warrants comparison?  UT allegations unconnected to this?  

It's a smear campaign as I posted in the title. I'm glad you posted all the facts because it really is none of our business but the media or elements in it want to make it a big story or try to make it not go away while everyone is ready to celebrate the career of one of the greatest 4-5 QBs ever in the NFL. 

 

[Parrothead]

   tea-bag-ing is so much fun

 

[Don't Noonan]

Was there ever a picture posted of the girl that Winston raped at FSU?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Is this about the smear campaign that the Manning family ran against the women Peyton sexually assaulted?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I get that maybe the general public was not aware of the story, but I find it somewhat difficult to believe that a guy who follows football to the extent he is on this board could have missed the story.  Things were said prior.  I knew all about this and I am not a Colt or Bronco fan, nor a Manning detractor.  The underlying story, and Manning's book allegations were known to me.  I think you are misinterpreting this matter to some extent, though not completely.  Taking our heroes down a peg is the new American pass-time, an unseemly one in many ways, but there it is.

I never heard about it but if there is a thread with a bunch of pages and I missed it, by all means hit the link for us. 

I never heard about it in Los Angeles, we didn't have a football team. And the city of Miami in the Sports department, very laid back here, none of the reporters down here deal in dirt. It's one of the major selling points for the athletes, most of the time local media down here does not report gossip or hearsay. 

I didn't hear about this story when he was coming up in Indy or in Denver, if there was a gag order that would make a little sense. This was the 1st I had heard of it or if I did hear about it 15-20 years ago I forgot about it quick. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

OK, this is a perfectly legit gripe. I can understnad the POV you might have when looking at it the way you are. My only question is...Does one event override the entire rest of his life? I think the Cosby case has really clouded folks minds about what needs to happen now. In BC's case he seems to have a pattern...not sure I am seeing a pattern with Manning. 

Does anyone think Manning should have served jail time over this? It feels like people actually think manning should not have gotten an opportunity in the NFL. Is that where we are going here?

Not me, I recognize his behavior for what it was, a crude and stupid act by an immature kid who did not understand quite how offensive it was.  Typical dumb jock humor gone bad. (Dumb jock humor was never humor to the subjects of their derision by the way as it often involved bullying both physical and through jock privilege)  It has been painted as sexual, it was not, though it involved genitals.  Rather it was about power, privilege and looking down at others as being of less worth.  it was offensive, but not actually sexual in nature.  The problem is Manning could not let it go as a mistake and summon up the decency to apologize.  Again, understandable, he was young and privileged. At that age I had difficulty in admitting mistakes and apologizing so I don't hold him to a higher standard. What is less easy to forgive is that he pursued victimizing this woman over the years to keep his narrative of the event going when nobody was even asking him for that narrative.  He did this as a grown, mature, family man.  He now has his proxies, folks like you, continuing his narrative.  Long and short of all this is that sometimes you have to fold a losing hand. Manning had a losing hand, did not fold, was called and still tried to collect the winnings from the table as if nothing was wrong. 

The whole thing reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Susan's parents catch George out in a lie, and George knows it, but George insists, to the degradation of all, to play his losing hand to the bitter end as they all drive several hours out to the Hamptons to see his place there which everybody knows he does not have.

 

[LAUNCH]

my bad, here she is...Angela Buchman

http://sportiquescooters.com/southstandsdenver/ssdf2015x1/blogcast/item/3651-does-peyton-manning-score-as-much-off-the-field-as-he-does-on

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Was there ever a picture posted of the girl that Winston raped at FSU?

Google and yes. Why?

I read a lot about this girl Winston encountered and the story from an eye witness is a lot different than her squeezing the University for $1M. Good for her, hopefully the $300k she gets after the lawyers took their fees is enough to sustain her for life, doubt many will hire her if they google a bit. 

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I hope this doesn't taint his legacy.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I never heard about it but if there is a thread with a bunch of pages and I missed it, by all means hit the link for us. 

I never heard about it in Los Angeles, we didn't have a football team. And the city of Miami in the Sports department, very laid back here, none of the reporters down here deal in dirt. It's one of the major selling points for the athletes, most of the time local media down here does not report gossip or hearsay. 

I didn't hear about this story when he was coming up in Indy or in Denver, if there was a gag order that would make a little sense. This was the 1st I had heard of it or if I did hear about it 15-20 years ago I forgot about it quick. 

I don't care about this nearly enough to try the search function.  You can believe it or not, that's up to you.  My interest in this thread is not about manning.  My interest is, as it almost always is, in people's perceptions, their ability to resolve cognitive dissonance through acceptance of unlikely suppositions.  People are fascinating. You are fascinating.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Subway FTW

You were asking the other day, just want you to know I'm paying attention. 

-Sexually assaulted by Senior...

-Manning smear campaign...3 pages and we barely started lunch. 

 

[AAABatteries]

I agree with MoP that sexual assault and/or harassment isn't really a big deal and I don't understand why folks are making a fuss about this.

What's great is I don't think he even got this.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Is this about the smear campaign that the Manning family ran against the women Peyton sexually assaulted?

What was the context of the smear?  Was it their case in a civil matter or where else did they align to attack her or smear her that is attributable to them?  

Has he spoken on it in the past 13 years?  Did she demand or expect an apology as part of an opportunity for a settlement?  While agreeing he was in the wrong, if she reached a financial agreement she found agreeable 

Is it fair to mention the fact that the woman has been involved with 31 civil suits unrelated this matter seeking damages?  

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I hope this doesn't taint his legacy.

Nothing more than a brown spot on his record.

 

[squistion]

I never heard about it but if there is a thread with a bunch of pages and I missed it, by all means hit the link for us. 

I never heard about it in Los Angeles, we didn't have a football team. And the city of Miami in the Sports department, very laid back here, none of the reporters down here deal in dirt. It's one of the major selling points for the athletes, most of the time local media down here does not report gossip or hearsay. 

I didn't hear about this story when he was coming up in Indy or in Denver, if there was a gag order that would make a little sense. This was the 1st I had heard of it or if I did hear about it 15-20 years ago I forgot about it quick. 

I live in L.A. and I did, although it was the false cover story the Mannings put out that he had mooned a male (student journalist I think) and that there had been an out of court settlement about that. Later on I heard conflicting reports about the actual victim, but I was not aware of the specifics of this story until the recent Shaun King piece. I follow football pretty closely, so this was pretty much swept under the rug (so to speak) until recently.

 

[apalmer]

It's a smear campaign as I posted in the title. I'm glad you posted all the facts because it really is none of our business but the media or elements in it want to make it a big story or try to make it not go away while everyone is ready to celebrate the career of one of the greatest 4-5 QBs ever in the NFL. 

Question because I'm too lazy to go look: Have you posted the same outrage in the Bill Cosby thread?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

http://sportiquescooters.com/southstandsdenver/ssdf2015x1/blogcast/item/3651-does-peyton-manning-score-as-much-off-the-field-as-he-does-on

some great quotes from that article:

“HE IS A GREAT QB, BUT HE CHEATS ON HIS WIFE VERY OFTEN, AND THIS IS WELL KNOWN! AND PLEASE DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR ASHLEY, SHE IS WELL AWARE OF THIS!”

“My former boss's mother is Jim Irsay's assistant. He has personally witnessed several circumstances where Peyton was accompanied by women who were not his wife. According to him Peyton is quite the ladies man and a known cheater.”

“I thought everyone knew about Peyton, including his wife, who is both cool with it and does the same thing. “

“Manning held up the plane in Japan after a preseason game because he was messing around with 2 of the Falcons cheerleaders back at the hotel.”

“ Peyton was hitting on these chicks one night at this popular bar in north central Indy. The chicks were part of a bachelorette party and Peyton was gunning for the bachelorette. Well, the chicks head to another popular bar area of Indy in a limo and Peyton and his boys follow. When they get to this area, all the bachelorette's friends get out and Peyton gets in the limo. He starts makin out and hookin up w/ the bachelorette, and starts yelling at the limo driver--who was still in the front--to "put the divider up." The limo driver calmly reminds Peyton that the divider button is in the back seat with him. Peyton continues to yell at the driver to "put the divider up" until the driver gets out.”

“From what we hear,.. the payroll isn't the only thing of Peyton's that Ms. Buchman is on.”

“Ashley mandated an open marriage after she realized that Peyton was never going to change. I don't buy that Archie and Olivia are okay with this open marriage. They run that family with an iron fist. Look at how Olivia announced the twin's birth, and Ashley had a meltdown. Or how they always have to pay Ashley to come back to Peyton when she runs off. Or Ashley acting a fool about Peyton running the streets.”

“Maybe there's more to this story that demands a certain level of privacy. Maybe these twins were adopted, or perhaps there was a surrogate mother. That might explain why seemingly no one knew the Mannings were expecting. Maybe the stork brought them”

“And 100% of all press releases, news reports, etc., avoids saying his wife "gave birth" or any other wording that sounds like she was pregnant.”

“it's none of anyone's business how their children came into this world or under what circumstances. There are many people involved who don't need to have their names or their privacy compromised by looky-lu's and nosey people.”

 

[fantasycurse42]

You were asking the other day, just want you to know I'm paying attention. 

-Sexually assaulted by Senior...

-Manning smear campaign...3 pages and we barely started lunch. 

With the new ffa format, you're really going to have to up your game to stay page 1 relevant.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I live in L.A. and I did, although it was the false cover story the Mannings put out that he had mooned a male (student journalist I think) and that there had been an out of court settlement about that. Later on I heard conflicting reports about the actual victim, but I was not aware of the specifics of this story until the recent Shaun King piece. I follow football pretty closely, so this was pretty much swept under the rug (so to speak) until recently.

OK, I do remember there being some story about him mooning somebody in college but it was never presented as sexual assault. 

Do you think it was a criminal action?

 

[Agent 47]

I murder babies, sleep with married woman, and kill people in defenseless positions just for sport. Nothing you can pour forth on that keyboard is going to possibly make me feel bad. The reason is you are a faceless soul on here. Nobody knows anything about you because you keep your stench locked down in the basement, good for you. 

I applaud the effort to try and shame me and then try and act like MOP is blank blank blank...you do it to release some anxiety or tension in your own life, it's the only reason you would troll like that. It's OK, we won't tell anyone. 

I opted to tell a lot of things about situations in my life. I used the board to get an idea what happens when I make certain choices, words, moves and over the last 15 years it has helped me achieve and avoid a lot of things. I only share to try and help others who likely are too afraid out of fear over slime bucket trolls like you. Again and again I show that idiots like you are nothing to fear. 

Good day 

Do you feel better? Because you still come off as a loser who thinks they are embarrassingly smarter than they are.

 

[Chaka]

What was the context of the smear?  Was it their case in a civil matter or where else did they align to attack her or smear her that is attributable to them?  

Has he spoken on it in the past 13 years?  Did she demand or expect an apology as part of an opportunity for a settlement?  While agreeing he was in the wrong, if she reached a financial agreement she found agreeable 

Is it fair to mention the fact that the woman has been involved with 31 civil suits unrelated this matter seeking damages?  

I believe somewhere around 2001 (IIRC) Manning said that she had a vulgar mouth back at Tennessee and his father allegedly said she slept with black people.

Those remarks caused her to get fired.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What's great is I don't think he even got this.

What would I have to post to ensure you feel I got it? Because I clearly answered his post and I know he was being sarcastic. You think very little of me, that's obvious. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

OK, I do remember there being some story about him mooning somebody in college but it was never presented as sexual assault. 

Do you think it was a criminal action?

There is a thread on this over in the shark pool.  I said there that I do think his action, if it was as has been reported, was criminal.  I do not think it was sexual assault, though it could fit that definition.  Rather I view this as offensive contact. The distinction is the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.  I believe he was guilty of Harassment that is harmful, painful, or offensive contact meant to harass, alarm or degrade or upset a person.  I would not characterize this as sexual assault, as have some, though I do get that when the genitals make an appearance that is going to be a route many want to take. 

Your mileage may vary, as may that of others who are invested in the story.  Me, I'm just here for the humor opportunities. His actions do not upset me nor really effect me except in a very distant and abstract manner involving us all occupying the same rock.  If you are upset for him I think that's sweet.  Myself, being a sociopath, I have a tough time empathizing with anyone and so becoming invested on their behalf in trying to unwind their own efforts to contribute to their own demise.  I do appreciate, however, the opportunity to study your behavior.  Maybe it will help me understand folks better.